I had a 'light bulb over head' moment a few days ago - here is my theory as to what's going on:
Going back at least 15 years or more, I remember one of my right-wing relatives was going on to me in genuine panic about how in such-and-such many years, white people will not longer be the majority in the US.
Keeping that in mind, I think the racists are willing to blow up our democracy in order to maintain their perceived white 'power'.
That is to say, in a democracy- the majority rules. If non-whites are the majority - they "rule", and from the white racist perspective - they are terrified of retribution, of being on the receiving end of the same barbaric discrimination they meted out when THEY were the majority.
So they are willing to join hands with Russian and other european fascists and eradicate the democratic process because in authoritarian governments, MINORITIES can rule.
Trump is the great white hope of American racists to keep them in their demented conception of 'power'. Of course if these idiots bothered to look at a history book they would realize white people have NO PROBLEM screwing over other white people (or even look at right NOW Putin is screwing over his own people as we speak).
I'm not saying I think the Trump cultists even consciously realize what is behind their actions, but I think what I've just stated is the subconscious emotion that is driving this support for Trump.
/u/MBAMBAO are you really this brain damaged or are you a parody account?
I mean, he's not even wrong on the white minority thing. That's a very popular talking point with white nationalists, and the entire basis for "white genocide."
What I don't get is what the argument against that is supposed to be. Like, are whites being silly for believing that they will become a minority? Or for thinking that other ethnicities are more bigoted than whites, so they are fucked in that case? Or for refusing to accept the deserved comeuppance?
It's one of the weirdest Culture War hot spots where it feels that the progressive side doesn't even pretend to have an argument and instead everyone is supposed to realize that even asking the question is racist wrongthink.
What I don't get is what the argument against that is supposed to be. Like, are whites being silly for believing that they will become a minority? Or for thinking that other ethnicities are more bigoted than whites, so they are fucked in that case? Or for refusing to accept the deserved comeuppance?
Well for starters, white people will never be at a point where they're a an actual minority unless you subscribe to the "one drop rule."
Take, for example, the claim that “minority babies are now the majority.” Analyzing data from the 2013 American Community Survey, I found that it identified only about half of infants (children under 1) as non-Hispanic whites — though 60 percent had at least one non-Hispanic white parent. The discrepancy arises because of demographic convention: The census counts as minority anyone of mixed race or ethnicity.
Among infants with a Hispanic parent, about 30 percent also had a non-Hispanic parent — and for two-thirds of them, that parent was white. The percentages were similar for infants of Asian parentage.
According to the new Pew report, about 60 percent of multiracial Americans in fact do not consider themselves multiracial. But identities are socially constrained: That is, they are in part products of the ways others see us, and not just our free choices. The influence of social environment is especially strong in childhood.
The vast majority of these people are not only white passing, they fucking identify as white.
It's one of the weirdest Culture War hot spots where it feels that the progressive side doesn't even pretend to have an argument and instead everyone is supposed to realize that even asking the question is racist wrongthink.
There was a bestseller https://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Democratic-Majority-John-Judis/dp/0743254783 that laid out in no uncertain terms the strategy for starting a runaway feedback loop, by using political power to get more and more non-white immigrants whose votes give Democrats more and more political power.
And now some people say that this might not be happening so fast because some mixed-race folks identify as white, so whites should stop worrying? Like, that's it?
I mean, when a group of people in power works for X to happen and publicly states that X will be a good thing, and then someone worries that X would be a really bad thing for them, your answer is that their worries are completely unfounded because there's some evidence that people cheering for X coming are a bit too optimistic?
I read that article. It's an opinion piece stating that whites are not becoming a minority as fast as was expected, because some non-whites decide to identify as whites.
That is not a sufficient argument to dismiss white people's anxiety at becoming a minority, for a lot of reasons:
It doesn't say that white people will never become a minority in the US, nor establishes an alternative timeline, it literally just says that things are complicated and may or may not work out differently.
It's not even necessarily right. Maybe this trend will turn around as whites are getting close to becoming a minority, and non-white status gives more and more benefits. It's not a super-argument that suddenly renders all previous arguments obsolete.
Society is not a self-unaware system. If a large group of people wants whites to become a minority, but then a hitch in the plan is discovered, then a workaround is entirely possible, like increasing immigration or working to get mixed race people more woke. As long as there's the will, there's a way, and there's a reason for whites to worry.
The third point is the most important. You might have read that article and found it compelling enough that you stopped worrying. Well, we are not talking about you, we are talking about the rest of Democrats, like Clinton, Biden, or /u/MBAMBA0, who believe that whites are going to become a minority, want it to happen and are working towards it, and label everyone who's not on board with that a racist. I wonder how does that work in their heads.
What is 'truth' about whites being a majority or not is almost irrelevant compared to the PERCEPTION of racist white people they will or even might not be in the near future.
My point is that the issues of race are essentially peanuts compared to the danger of those who FEAR racism overturning our democracy - which seems to have been a big motivating factor in for many to support Trump.
Well, then I can ask you what your argument against that is supposed to be:
Like, are whites being silly for believing that they will become a minority? Or for thinking that other ethnicities are more bigoted than whites, so they are fucked in that case? Or for refusing to accept the deserved comeuppance?
It's one of the weirdest Culture War hot spots where it feels that the progressive side doesn't even pretend to have an argument and instead everyone is supposed to realize that even asking the question is racist wrongthink.
So Hispanics are the new Italians/Irish/Germans/literally every other immigrant group this country has ever had, and in 100 years their kids are gonna be protesting some other group and voting Donald Trump XI for president. What a shock
The left simultaneously cheers for a white minority so that they can wreak their little revenge fantasies on white America...while also claiming that it's silly for white people to be concerned.
It comes across as massively dishonest and malicious.
This is something commonly said by people who weren't even in highschool yet back when he was first reelected.
The biggest 'scandal' that caused his approval ratings to sink almost immediately and remain in the low 40s until near the end of his Presidency (when all Presidents traditionally recover)--His coziness with Goldman Sachs, and the perception that his campaigns reliance on campaign donations from bankers was behind his administrations obnoxious refusal to try any bankers, despite many legal scholars laying out exactly what laws they had broken...after being challenged by Obama specifically to point to some laws they had broken.
The man was a complete pig of a human being, the most corrupt President to occupy that seat since Nixon. But because he smiled a lot and was 'nice', liberals pretend none of it happened.
You voted for Trump so you have no right to bitch about how people act anyway. Only losers complain about not being able to handle a few condescending words.
"We're the one's allowed to bitch and moan, not you", /u/WinkyDinkyHoecakes, ladies and gentlemen.
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-10-02
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1 LemonScore 2017-10-02
I thought that it would be /r/circlejerk becuase it isn't hateful enough to bew from /r/politics, but I was wrong.
No way, this is the fist I've heard on this! /u/hello_ground_ do you have any other scoops?
1 LemonScore 2017-10-02
One of the highest voted comments:
/u/MBAMBAO are you really this brain damaged or are you a parody account?
1 pizzashill 2017-10-02
I mean, he's not even wrong on the white minority thing. That's a very popular talking point with white nationalists, and the entire basis for "white genocide."
I don't know about the rest of that shit.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-10-02
What I don't get is what the argument against that is supposed to be. Like, are whites being silly for believing that they will become a minority? Or for thinking that other ethnicities are more bigoted than whites, so they are fucked in that case? Or for refusing to accept the deserved comeuppance?
It's one of the weirdest Culture War hot spots where it feels that the progressive side doesn't even pretend to have an argument and instead everyone is supposed to realize that even asking the question is racist wrongthink.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-02
Well for starters, white people will never be at a point where they're a an actual minority unless you subscribe to the "one drop rule."
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/opinion/the-myth-of-a-white-minority.html?mcubz=0
The vast majority of these people are not only white passing, they fucking identify as white.
See above.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-10-02
In light of your idiocy in the other thread I'm not sure what good will this do, but I had it half written anyways, so:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb12-243.html has officially predicted that whites will become a minority by 2043, everyone on the progressive side cheered that unreservedly and publicly.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/biden-says-whites-a-minority-in-2017-census-says-2044/article/2567351 here's Biden going around saying that it's a good thing (and being wrong about the date).
There was a bestseller https://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Democratic-Majority-John-Judis/dp/0743254783 that laid out in no uncertain terms the strategy for starting a runaway feedback loop, by using political power to get more and more non-white immigrants whose votes give Democrats more and more political power.
And now some people say that this might not be happening so fast because some mixed-race folks identify as white, so whites should stop worrying? Like, that's it?
I mean, when a group of people in power works for X to happen and publicly states that X will be a good thing, and then someone worries that X would be a really bad thing for them, your answer is that their worries are completely unfounded because there's some evidence that people cheering for X coming are a bit too optimistic?
Bullshit.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-02
Again, you are illiterate, read what you were linked.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/opinion/the-myth-of-a-white-minority.html?mcubz=0
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-10-02
I read that article. It's an opinion piece stating that whites are not becoming a minority as fast as was expected, because some non-whites decide to identify as whites.
That is not a sufficient argument to dismiss white people's anxiety at becoming a minority, for a lot of reasons:
It doesn't say that white people will never become a minority in the US, nor establishes an alternative timeline, it literally just says that things are complicated and may or may not work out differently.
It's not even necessarily right. Maybe this trend will turn around as whites are getting close to becoming a minority, and non-white status gives more and more benefits. It's not a super-argument that suddenly renders all previous arguments obsolete.
Society is not a self-unaware system. If a large group of people wants whites to become a minority, but then a hitch in the plan is discovered, then a workaround is entirely possible, like increasing immigration or working to get mixed race people more woke. As long as there's the will, there's a way, and there's a reason for whites to worry.
The third point is the most important. You might have read that article and found it compelling enough that you stopped worrying. Well, we are not talking about you, we are talking about the rest of Democrats, like Clinton, Biden, or /u/MBAMBA0, who believe that whites are going to become a minority, want it to happen and are working towards it, and label everyone who's not on board with that a racist. I wonder how does that work in their heads.
1 MBAMBA0 2017-10-02
What is 'truth' about whites being a majority or not is almost irrelevant compared to the PERCEPTION of racist white people they will or even might not be in the near future.
My point is that the issues of race are essentially peanuts compared to the danger of those who FEAR racism overturning our democracy - which seems to have been a big motivating factor in for many to support Trump.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-10-02
Well, then I can ask you what your argument against that is supposed to be:
1 MBAMBA0 2017-10-02
Oh boy - I just noticed my post made 'subreddit drama' what an honor.
1 uniqueguy263 2017-10-02
So Hispanics are the new Italians/Irish/Germans/literally every other immigrant group this country has ever had, and in 100 years their kids are gonna be protesting some other group and voting Donald Trump XI for president. What a shock
1 DontTrustRedditors 2017-10-02
The left simultaneously cheers for a white minority so that they can wreak their little revenge fantasies on white America...while also claiming that it's silly for white people to be concerned.
It comes across as massively dishonest and malicious.
1 ay_what_up 2017-10-02
dae white genocide 😨😨😰😰😨😨😱😱😱😰😰😰
1 Yiin 2017-10-02
>Link posts literally show the domain When did you realize you were retarded?
1 Awayfone 2017-10-02
Zero scandals. not a one. Zip
1 buttermyself 2017-10-02
Is that counting Birthcerficategate?
1 weniscommander 2017-10-02
This but intrinsically.
1 DontTrustRedditors 2017-10-02
This is something commonly said by people who weren't even in highschool yet back when he was first reelected.
The biggest 'scandal' that caused his approval ratings to sink almost immediately and remain in the low 40s until near the end of his Presidency (when all Presidents traditionally recover)--His coziness with Goldman Sachs, and the perception that his campaigns reliance on campaign donations from bankers was behind his administrations obnoxious refusal to try any bankers, despite many legal scholars laying out exactly what laws they had broken...after being challenged by Obama specifically to point to some laws they had broken.
The man was a complete pig of a human being, the most corrupt President to occupy that seat since Nixon. But because he smiled a lot and was 'nice', liberals pretend none of it happened.
1 Karma-Means-Nothing 2017-10-02
"We're the one's allowed to bitch and moan, not you", /u/WinkyDinkyHoecakes, ladies and gentlemen.
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2017-10-02
Damn, that thread is saltier than Lot's wife.
1 DontTrustRedditors 2017-10-02
/r/dankchristianmemes