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/u/verveinloveland how do you adjust for population when you're dealing with rates and not absolute numbers? Are you retarded? How far will you go to justify why us having mass shootings every other month and us having the most lax gun laws of any first world country being unrelated?

What exactly do you propose? What laws would have stopped Las Vegas shooting?

Answer my question first. Why and how do you adjust a rate for population?

There are no perfect statistics, but you can’t compare a country to a country twice its size and say anything meaningful. So if a country is half the size of the us, you’d double the number of whatever metric you want to compare to try and make the playing field more level.

There are no perfect statistics, but you can’t compare a country to a country twice its size and say anything meaningful.

Thanks for the cancer friendo 🤗

fuck off, you know what I mean. You have to adjust for population before you can make any meaningful comparisons.

Big if true

Banning all guns from white people

We prefer the term "lone wolf Americans" tyvm

Then Paddock couldn't have used a firearm to end the killing.

as usual, it would have been up to robocop

See, robots are coming for poor people's jobs

For starters making meme stocks illegal would be a good start, because they provide no actual benefit other than making a gun less safe and more toy like.

Second, same with magazines higher than 30 rounds... if the military/police use 30 round mags then why do civvies need fucking 60 rounds mags and drums lol?

Thirdly complete banning of Rick & Morty because that's the real problem here.

now I'm not saying these would have outright stopped the vegas attack, but it would have at least potentially diminished the attack. And those sort of bans would be at least a good gesture from gun lovers.

I agree with banning Rick and Morty. I guess the rest is fine too, I can just 3d print them if I want them anyways.

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ur points are very bad.

thx

Keep Yourself Safe you Fiscally Admirable Gentleman.

For starters making meme stocks illegal would be a good start, because they provide no actual benefit

paging /r/wallstreetbets . This fucker wants to ban AMD/RAD/JNUG/SHOP/TSLA etc. I say we listen tbh

You can make a bump stock out of a flat board and a wood peg in five minutes but I'm sure a weapons charge is really going to make a murderer reconsider. (If he's not stupid he'll make a lighting link for real full auto instead though)

Magazines: literally weld to boxes together and insert heavier springs from the hardware store.

Again, you've wasted an hour of the murderer's time while fucking over the rest of us.

philosophically, We were a country built on freedom. The freedom to dissent with government, and the power to overthrow a corrupt one. The ultimate trump card, is armed citizens. So we should start with the idea that every citizen has the right to defend themselves from their government in any way.

Stay with me. Then we have to decide as a society which weapons are just too dangerous to let private citizens own. So far, we've drawn that line at Nukes, Fully auto weapons, armed tanks, etc.

Now if you want to make 30 round magazines, stocks, make all black guns illegal etc. You first have to prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt, that it would significantly decrease crime.

We have states for a reason. They are a test ground for laws. If you really want gun laws, you need to pass them locally first, in a city or state, and study the effects. If you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it made a significant difference, once that would outweigh the loss of freedom, than you can try expanding to another state and another, and if you keep getting the same results, then we can talk about making that law a national one.

Make murder legal since people are going to do it anyway

Amen!

Make murder legal because it'd be a good thing for the planet

Why do people need to defend themselves from their own government?

Can no one see the flaw in the argument that you need to bear arms against the people you elected?

Also you can legally own anti-tank rifles in America if they were made by the Finnish, so any argument by Americans on gun control is always going to be retarded and wrong.

My argument is a bit of screeching, followed by saying "They're fun"

Tbh, I might get that anti tank rifle now

Good luck it uses some old as fuck variant of the 30mm or something.

30mm rounds are already expensive as fuck so vintage ones from the 1940s are bound to cost a small fortune.

Also they'd likely be mostly duds or blow up in the barrel.

I'd get it just to have it, honestly. Shooting it wouldn't be worth it. I'm just really interested in ww2 ear guns

Make your own ammo at home you baby

Make 30mm at home.

I'll leave that to those inclined to lose limbs and gain a chromosome.

Thats a win/win right there

Common argument for assault weapons is to protect onself from the government. Kinda defeats the purpose of electing your government if you need to be locked and loaded for a civil war 24/7, don't you think?

Also you don't need an assault rifle to put down Tyrone if he tries to jack your crib, a handgun would do fine.

It's double the democracy. You vote. You REEE. You vote again with bullets.

Plus guns are fun.

"assault rifle" and "assault weapon" are meaningless gibberish

that is all

Assault weapon is gibberish. Assault rifles are a thing.

The closest thing to a salient definition of "assault weapon" was "intermediate-cartridge select-fire weapon" but that leaves out submachine guns chambered for pistol rounds like the MP5. Are those not "assault rifles" either or what?

No their not assault rifles, they're machine pistols. Different application/definition.

I mean, the whole "here's the strict definition of an assault rifle" is a bit of a meme anyway when you've got those retarded ass bump fire stocks available. And practically speaking, a semi-auto rifle and a fully automatic rifle aren't that much different in terms of potential damage inflicted.

That said, a definition is a definition and should be used correctly.

The MP5 is a pistol?

Yep. In fact if you buy one in the states I'm pretty sure they are designated as a pistol because for the most part you can only get semi auto ones without a lot of money.

That being said, it gets a bit murky whereby an AR-15 with a short enough barrel is also a pistol... but I'm not sure if that's actually an ATF classification or not.

If you want the unfun seriouspost answer, United States federal gun laws determine whether something is a pistol or a rifle based on the length of its barrel. It's not actually legally "murky" at all, though of course the actual form factor of a micro-AR15 is somewhere between a very large pistol and a very small carbine.

I just mean it's murky in that you've got a 'pistol' which shares far more characteristics with a rifle than it does a pistol outside of barrel length.

how does the stock fit into things? don't you guys have to use weird arm brace things on pistols? Is that to do with pistols not being able to have actual stocks or something?

Well, that's where it gets retarded and weird.

A micro-AR variant is legally a pistol, as long as there's no real stock. Like you say, though, its ergonomics are absolutely that of a rifle, and it is designed to be fired from the shoulder. You'll fuck up your wrists pretty good if you shoot one without bracing.

Now, there is such a legal construct as a short-barrelled rifle, which is what this mini-AR becomes if you screw a stock onto the back like any sane person would want to do. However, it's a felony to do so without a tax stamp from ATF, which basically means "write a check for $200 to their office and wait three weeks." If you're a cheap bastard, that's where those shitty weird arm braces come in.

No, submachine guns are not assault rifles. I already said that "assault weapon" is a gibberish nonsense term.

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