Moderator of r/fullcommunism explains how Mao was a great guy to r/China, does not end well

120  2017-10-10 by JoeFalchetto

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/u/zombiesingularity how do you get to the point in your life where you are a literal communist AND you try to tell Chinese people that their genocide wasn't all that bad? Do you ever wonder where it all went so wrong?

For some reason Western commies love telling Eastern Europeans, Chinese and Cambodians that communism wasn't so bad and all those mass murders were just propaganda.

If you look at scientific opinion polls in Russia and former Soviet bloc countries, a majority view Communism/Socialism favorably to this day. As for Cambodia, Pol Pot was a total fraud, and you msy be surprised to discover that the CIA backed him and Communist Vietnam intervened against Pol Pot, as they saw him for the opportunust fraud that he was.

As a person from former Soviet bloc country I say that you are spewing bullshit - the older than 40 russian minority here wants the b glory times back" and also...homophobes, they want it too.

Even that over 40 age is too young.

Well their parents where brought to my country in the land and houses of locals who where killed or gulaged and before that those russians where mostly poor, so...

I know it's only my anecdotal evidence but I've worked with tons of Russian people in the tech industry and they all hated communism. We're all over 40 years old too.

Maybe you misunderstood, I meant a part of them, basically about 1/5 of russian minority here so a 1 to 1.5 % of population.

Oh yep, you're right I misread.

I had a Romanian (ethnic Russian) in one of my classes who was 20 at the time and would fervently defend Russia and the Soviet Union. I always found it weird since Ceausescu was pretty hated by Romanians but he was an ethnic Russian and from what I understood his parents had to leave Romania after Ceausescu was put against the wall.

As a person from former Soviet bloc country I say that you are spewing bullshit - the older than 40 russian minority here wants the b glory times back" and also...homophobes, they want it too.

Muh not real communism.

Americans watch Grease and Mad Men and feel nostalgia for the fifties. That doesn't mean that we weren't giving kids cigarettes and spraying uppity negroes with fire hoses. Do you have any sources for these scientific opinion polls?

MAD MEN IS THE SIXTIES YOU DUMFUK

Pls no swearsies. This is a Christian™ subreddit. 😔

lolmao jfc smh

Literally the mirror image of a nazi, just on the other side of the coin.

Utter bullshit. What side of the coin is the USA on, with our dozens of wars, CIA deathsquads, assassination campaigns, etc?

Lol? You're literally running around the internet denying genocides and mass murder to defend an ideology.

How are you different than an internet Nazi holocaust denier?

Which genocide did I deny?

You literally posted an article titled "did Mao REALLY kill millions" dude.

This is as absurd as some Nazi linking an article "did Hitler REALLY kill millions?"

Come the fuck on. Get some help, you are an internet extremist and equally as bad as a Nazi would be.

The arguments made are sound (did you read the article?), unlike Nazi arguments. Do you condemn the USA's mass murder, out of curiosity? Do you denounce them as strongly as you would a Nazi? Or are you an extremist who denies the millions brutally slaughtered by the USA and still supports America?

Clearly America didn't slaughter enough retarded commies.

Making light of genocide, are we? Isnt that the very reason you hate us commies?

Making light of genocide, are we?

Yes. Mayocide when?

Isn't that the reason you hate us commies?

No, it's because commies are retarded and believe in a system that commits genocide through sheer incompetence every time it's implemented

Much better to competently carry out genocide through imperialism each time Capitalism is established like the West does, right?

It is objectively better​, yeah

Objectively better at genocide, you mean.

I wish.

Whichever systems results in your execution is the one I support.

He doesn't need to be executed. Commies tend to be slow in the minds and more than likely will meet their end by accidentally dropping a radio playing chapo trap house into a bathtub.

The Soviet Union had an empire that made the British jealous. The Eastern Bloc didn't welcome Stalinism with open arms.

Funny how people in former Soviet bloc countries begged for Capitalism and didn't need to implemented at the end of a gun. It's also funny how you commies had to build a wall and shoot anyone trying to leave the 'workers paradise' and kept open the Nazi concentration camps in the east as NKVD special prisons until the 50's.

As for genocide didn't the commies really get into population transfers to try and destroy cultures? Tibet also was just begging for communism wasn't it? That totally wasn't imperialism.

Tibet also was just begging for communism wasn't it? That totally wasn't imperialism.

Tibet has been part of China since far longer than your country, whatever it is, has existed. So no, reorganizing your country after a civil war isn't imperialism.

It won't be imperialism either when Taiwan is retaken. I'm looking forward to watchign the salt over here, though.

Ah yes, the i "it's not imperialism if we do it" argument. Fantastic

fucking LOL

I like how he gets downvoted for denying mass murder and you get upvoted for advocating it.

Me too!

How shit is your life that you think you're doing something good by denying genocide ? Just keep yourself safe already.

I love how you keep trying to bring up the US as if the US is in anyway even in the same solar system as the people you're trying to defend.

You're a Nazi, and as such, I will no longer entertain your mental illness.

In other words you're denying genocide and minimizing mass murder while excoriating me for the same thing. You're no different than a holocaust denier by your own logic, you just made excuses for the deaths of millions by the USA, and you outright denied such brutality exists. Be consistent.

Unless you're talking about Yemen, I'd be interested to hear what genocide the US is currently undertaking?

At least nazis have the balls and conviction to stand behind the stuff they say. You backpedal and deny the hate and bigotry you just posted.

But he's sure his ideology will work this™ time!! It will right?

The Nazis think that their arguments are sound too. They honestly, truly BELIEVED in Nazism. In the same way that you believe in Maoism.

i don't think you realize that you should exactly like a holocaust denier to an average person, it's fucking disgusting

seriously, take a good look at yourself

Extremists will never realize that on their own. They're so indoctrinated that they'll refuse to accept anything that goes against their teachings.

Whataboutism

Nope, I just want to point out their hypocrisy.

Take a google on what whataboutism is, you fucking retard Commie.

Want a helicopter ride?

Lots of pro-fascist humor in this sub, would explain the rabid anti-communist sentiment.

We don't tolerate idiots.

It's the opposite of a "feels based" ideology. No moral arguments are made in Capital, for instance. It's a materialist philosophy, not a utopian one.

not a utopian ideology

"As long as everyone plays nice and doesn't try to seize power/genocide millions like every single time we've tried this, it's a perfect system! And don't forget, the homicidal maniacs weren't real communists, until we decide that they are again (Only applies on Tuesdays, the month of February, and Boxing Day). Also, there's no such thing as a basic human desire for more! That's capitalist propaganda and in no way backed by scientific evidence and social research."

(((our)))

Let's play spot the jew

Those are all propaganda and never happened.

If you could rank every country/empire that ever existed by the amount of power they had and atrocities they committed, the USA would be the most peaceful country that has ever existed in human history

You're a liar, that's laughable.

It's a fact

Fast and loose facts, you mean.

not the side freely genociding their own people, that's for sure!

looks at Russia and China

They abide by the much more humane genociding of the native people, non-whites and foreigners.

Nice identity politics, really helps your argument.

If you look at opinion polls in Russia, majority of Russians would totes spread their bussy for Putin, yet life in Russia is shit and keeps getting shittier.

It got a little better for a short while, that's why Putin's numbers are high for now. In reality though Russians wish they had it as good as they did under the USSR. In fact the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was set to win the Presidency in 1996 elections, until the USA/UK/etc spent billions on a massive propaganda campaign to boost Yeltsin, and even then they had to rig the election to get Yeltsin to win.

My point is citing opinion polls is not a solid way to backup your claims. Anyway, I was born in USSR, live in Russia and let me tell you something — people only miss Soyuz because full blown economic crisis it was going through in later years caught up with general population only after disintegration of USSR, thus many people link hardships of 90s to capitalism, somehow forgetting hours long lines to buy toilet paper and bread which were all the craze in communist Russia. Other groups who are gay for USSR include crazy babushkas with actual religious icons of Stalin, and teen hipsters who never experienced communism but can't shut up about how great it was.

teen hipsters who never experienced communism but can't shut up about how great it was.

/u/zombiesingularity HE'S TALKING ABOUT YOU.

The Supreme Soviet voted itself out of existence. That's not exactly a homerun for communism.

In fact the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was set to win the Presidency in 1996 elections,

ROFL. That's all you had to say to show that you're a little angtsy kid who was born way after the USSR fell apart. You never stood in line for hours for groceries, you didn't have to book a hospital room literally months in advance to have a guaranteed place to birth a child, you didn't have to use reusable cloth diapers, and so on. You know literally nothing about what the reality of the USSR was.

You've never met a Russian in your life, and have yet to cite anything resembling a poll.

I suspect this is some high-level trolling, and if so, it's exceedingly well done. It's difficult to play an unhinged, ill-educated mass murder apologist convincingly.

It's interesting that you linked to a poll that doesn't actually say what you claim it says.

Most Russians agree the collapse of the Soviet Union was bad? Shocking, given how horrible the early 90s were for them! That's not the same as wanting to return to communism.

You're going to learn to interpret subtle differences like that if you ever transfer out of community college.

Would you like your nation to control half the world again? 42% say no

TBH that's a point against you

75% said yes in 2000, the number goes down over time as those who didn't experience it hear lies and bad information.

Lol, if anything its the ones who never saw Communism that want it(Case in point: You). In 2000 Russia was a fucking basket case. Of course people you respond yes then, it's better to wait in a 5km long line for a loaf of bread than to starve. The fact that Russia's hyper nationalistic populace still doesn't want the largest stable Empire in Eurasia to come back, where they are on top, should tell you something.

The majority do still want it back, pay attention. More people than support x US President in US elections/opinion polls.

Yes and yet the majority never votes for the Communist Party, shows no real affection towards Communism, keeps voting in Putin and his oligarch buddies(Gallup poll showed >80% support Putin).

The ones who do want it back want it for the hollow superpower status Russia achieved with it. Not because of communism.

yet life in Russia is shit and keeps getting shittier.

I think it's more that they worship Putin because he brought them out of the dumpster fire that was Yeltsin/Gorbachev.

Now it's more of a single trashcan fire.

Pol Pot was just being a good communist by getting rid of the counter revolutionaries. Isn't that what you commies jerk off thinking about? Killing all those bourgies, counter revolutionaries and catgirls?

You do realise Cambodia-Vietnam rivalry was basically PRC-USSR rivalry right? You know, the rivalry US exploited against USSR by supporting PRC.

Where do you retards crawl out of?

you are a panzy ass pussy faggot cuck. kill your self bitch boi

In Cambodia there are trees that literally have flecks of skull and baby scalp embedded in them where the Khmer Rouge smashed up subversive capitalist infants in order to save ammunition. But I'm sure that's just American propaganda.

Analysis of 20,000 mass grave sites by the DC-Cam Mapping Program and Yale University indicate at least 1,386,734 victims of execution. Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million.

Killing 1/4 of your country's inhabitants in just 4 years.

But but BUTT I'm sure it will work THIS time! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

One year ahead of schedule.

If the conservatives and trumpo were twice the Hitler analogue that the Left overs think they are they still wouldn't be able to touch those numbers. Commies are pretty inspire at creating human suffering, I try to do my part in contributing to the cause but I wouldn't even make the Cambodian JV team.

Not in a good way

says who

They claim that Pol Pot was actually a fascist CIA plant. I'm not even joking, they claim that the Khmer Rouge was basically a giant false flag to make communism look bad.

At least they're admitting he was actually bad and did bad things. That's progress.

I don't disagree. Literally everyone who has ever killed a brown, black, yellow, or red man is a United States patsy. It's a little-known fact that Genghis Khan and Askia Muhammad were both on the DOD payroll. So was King Leopold of Belgium.

Add Cubans to that list.

If you left Cuba then you're not a real Cuban!

If you left Cuba then you're not a real Cuban!

Most western commies live in sheltered, white, middle-upper middle class suburbs and cities. They'd get smash to bits if the Viets, Cambodians, and Eastern Europeans weren't too busy getting ahead in America.

Lots of folks on /r/china don't live in the mainland and have a grudge, or they just hate China for not being like the West. /r/sino is a much better subreddit. I don't think my comments were rude or offensive, I just linked to a Socialist journal that makes a decent case to counter the prevailing anti-communist mythology surrounding Mao & China. The journal I cited is no rag either, Einstein himself once wrote a piece for it in defense of Socialism.

I support communism because it kills a lot of people. Tbh, everyone should be commies so that humanity goes extinct

I mean on the bright side it does kill a lot of Communists so it really can't be that bad.

Fair point

logic checks out

It's truly inspiring how much better communism is at killing communists than capitalism.

Einstein eh? Well if I've learned anything from celebrity scientists recently it's that they're REALLY SMAHT when it comes to politics. So I guess I'm a communist now!

Just to be clear, my argument was not "Socialism is true because Einstein said so", my argument was "Monthly Review is a serious journal & not a rag, as people as serious as Einstein wrote for them".

How is the fact that a genius who died 62 years ago wrote on a newspaper an indication of said newspaper's quality today?

They've continued the tradition of having academics write for their journal.

Have any Rick and Morty fans contributed?

Rick and Morty are kulaks by compariaon...just like most of the reddit commies.

Well since I don't care enough to actually read your article, do you have any rebuttals to the responses from the two guys (/u/hautamaki and /u/halfmoonhero) in /r/China that did read the article? Couldn't help but notice that you didn't respond to either of them.

I didn't respond because I could tell it was a waste of time, I was being heavily downvoted and I was put on a "one comment every 8 minutes" timer.

WHO THE FUCK IS DOWNVOTING LOLCOWS YOU MONGOLOIDS KYS UNIRONICALLY

It takes all my strength to not downvote dangerous, genocidal pieces of shit like u/zombiesingularity

Yeah but he's a good toy to play with

that's a sign of the tism

They aren't dangerous anymore. Communism was dangerous when it was an untested idea that seemed attractive when defined in its own terms. Now that its theoretical flaws have been investigated, and its effects in the real world have been documented, it's nothing more than a fun hobby for teenagers (except in the 3rd world, where an unrelated ideology by the same name remains a rallying cry for peasants to establish a new, worse dictatorship).

Of all the LOLcows you should keep sacred, it's the Communist LOLcows. They spook so easily!

We need you. You are right.

I notice you explained why you didn't respond in that thread but refused to actually offer a rebuttal here when asked to. I. Wonder. Why.

Monthly Review impact factor: 0.460.

So much of a serious journal it gets cited less than once every two years.

In your interactions with people from countries that had communism, how often do they call you a fucking retard? I'm Polish, so I imagine that happens quite a lot.

I've been to the Berlin Wall, I've spoken to Germans, and in fact they themselves said it's a somewhat common sentiment for people to favor "putting the wall back up", their words not mine. Poland is inundated with extreme right-wing propaganda about Stalin and the MR Pact in particular, as well as decades of Western propaganda via Radio Free Europe, and that's reflected in the rather extreme right-wing government currently in power in Poland.

I've spoken to Germans, and in fact they themselves said it's a somewhat common sentiment for people to favor "putting the wall back up"

Germans or German commies?

Poland is inundated with extreme right-wing propaganda

It's not called "propaganda", if you actually experienced it. Then it's just history.

Everything you know is wrong and you are a complete retard.

Right back at you.

I'd bet that you are a white, ar least middle-class, male american. Do you realize that you are an enemy of the working class, because you hold the means of production. And I just love that you claim to know more abour Stalinism than the people who survived it.Guess what a part of them are still alive and you are just some 20 something pseudo - intellectual white trash from Berkeley.

Communism is the definition of failure

Taking Russia from a poor semi-feudal agrarian society to the 2nd largest economy in the world and a global superpower, is not a "failure". The Soviet economy was the fastest growing economy in world history, and saw huge social advances in literacy, women's rights, life expectancy, healthcare, development, etc. Again, not a failure.

Where day Soviet Union at now boi? Where them mass murders at now boi? I support communism because it is the failure that has the potential to end humanity, and I fully support that

The soviet economy was shit without other proto - states. Hell as I said Russian SFSR leeched on the ecomonomical power of them ...look at them now, even the shitiest poat Soviet states has it better.

I feel like you're leaving something out.

Is it the mass executions and imprisonment? It's that, isnt it?

Stop spouting nazi propaganda.

/u/zombiesingularity on a scale of 1 to 10, how hard does the murder of millions of innocents make your dick, with 1 being diamonds and 10 being minecraft bedrock?

If it didn't fail then where is it?

"Working Russians to death in factories for little to no compensation is not a "failure."" 🤔

The Soviet economy was the fastest growing economy in world history

Until it all of a sudden wasn't, and it wasn't so hard that it ceased to exist.

"Communism: great (for some) right up until critical existence failure!"

Hell of a slogan.

" I have been to Berlin wall once". Yeah, you know, why some western germans want to "rebuild the wall". Take a wild guess. And, oh by the way, Stalin's imperialistic politics killed 1/6 of the population in my country ( mostly small time farmers)....and then replaced them with russians to leach on our economy for 50 years. Your counter argument?

I too listened to NPR today. The Holodomor famine was tragic, but the claim that Stalin caused it originates from Nazi propaganda. I don't believe in Nazi propaganda. As for the "small time farmers" (Kulaks) having their grain taken, that's because Kulaks selfishly burned their crops rather than share and participate in a national plan.

I'm not from Ukraine you fool, we didn't have kulaks.

Alright well, I assumed you were. You weren't very specific.

gt Defending an ideology that led to multiple satellite states losing 15+% of their population

How do you do this?

How do you wake up in the mornings?

The more important question is "How can we ensure he doesn't wake up in the morning?

Multiple satellite states

It's not imperialism tho

I went to Panda Express last week. Now let me tell you why Mao has been wronged by history and would have built paradise on Earth if it weren't for those meddling Taiwanese pigdogs.

When you are in Berlin the next time visit the Stasi Prision and talk to some of the former Inmates who do tours there and see how people who actually suffered under the DDR think about it.

???

somewhat common sentiment for people to favor "putting the wall back up", their words not mine

You must have literally talked to the only two retards in Germany that think that.

Did you somehow miss everything in Berlin celebrating the wall going down?

He doesn't believe in capitalist media.

I lived in Berlin for two years and literally never heard a single person want the wall put back up. I had one college aged communist talk about how great it was, but he didn't live through it so he's just another tankie like you. People who lived through it were ecstatic when the wall came down.

BTW, if East Berlin was such a great place to be, then why did the guards on the wall literally kill people to keep them from fleeing to West Berlin.

In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

&

In another poll, about 1 in 5 Germans said they want the wall back, and those figures include West Germans. Obviously most would prefer a GDR without a wall, but when people say "put the wall back up" it's a euphemism for saying thry preferred the GDR Government.

In the past there was the Stasi, and today (German Interior Minister Wolfgang) Schäuble -- or the GEZ (the fee collection center of Germany's public broadcasting institutions) -- are collecting information about us.

The mother of false equivalencies.

I have family from East Germany. This is fucking laughable.

I cited scientific opinion polls in the thread, over half of former GDR citizens defend East Germany.

I cited scientific opinion polls in the thread

"Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service," Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. "These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR."

LOL no you didn’t. That’s the problem with all of the polls you have posted.

So the white hussars had arrived...

I'm Polish, so I imagine that happens quite a lot.

Things have to get to a really dark place in a person's life if a Polack can call you a retard.

/r/sino is a much better subreddit.

Of course you'd like r/sino, it's basically all CCP propaganda from ethnically Chinese people who live in the West.

As opposed to r/China, which doesn't even have any Chinese people in it lol?

I understand, you are salty that Mao took the country where the West played empire and turned it into a superpower that will end any chance of US world supremacy, but come on. Be more honest and at least tell this idiots that r/China has nothing to do with China.

Why did you make an alt for this?

You fucking subhuman waste of space, the only reason China might be a superpower to rival the West is because as soon as Mao died they abandoned his school of thought and embraced “Socialism with Chinese Characteristic”, i.e. they left socialism rotting carcass behind with Deng’s Opening Up.

"They won't listen to my Lilly white ass, how dare they?!"

"mythology".

You are a literal retard.

I don't think my comments were rude or offensive, I just linked to a fascist publication that makes a decent case to counter the prevailing anti-nazi mythology surrounding Hitler and the Jews

There's no such thing as a decent case for Nazi claims.

There's no such thing as a decent case for Maoist claims.

I'm glad we agree

There is no such thing as a decent case for any claims you are making yet here you are...

Don't downvote the lolcow.

You shut your fucking mouth, slut.

Actually, I agree. Carry on.

There are no Chinese people on r/China, only western expats. You mean r/Sino.

Mayocide can only aspire to be half as good as maocide.

/u/zombiesingularity you should take a great leap forward off a cliff

Send him to eastern europe famalam, after a year in our jails he will...because guess what - defending Stalinism or Maoism ( not communism in general) on the internets here is crime, punishable by 5 months to 2 years of jail time.

And you wonder why the only narratives you hear are anti-Soviet, because anyone offering up a counter-narrative in your country are imprisoned.

Sounds very communist. I would think that you """"people"""" would support that tbh

Good ol Anti-soviet Russia. Come for the gulags, stay because you died in a fucking gulag.

So are the neo nazis, in fact by the same law, so be joyful about your " freedom of speech"....Stalinisn and soviet "communism" destroyed my country and the lives of people there, we could have been at the level of modern Finland by now and then the colonists came.

Well, they'd be the second or second against the wall.

All the trannies and other outcasts they recruit as cannon fodder would be first.

anyone offering up a counter-narrative in your country are imprisoned.

I wish

Stupid German anti Nazi propaganda

I just hope he doesn't wear glasses or has an education outside of farming.

You Communist retard.

^ This dude.

Hey /u/zombiesingularity! Just pinging you from /r/drama to encourage you to post your retarded edgy-15yo-tankie-who-thinks-communizm-dindu-nuffin shit more often. I throughly enjoy watching people's mental gymnastic in trying to justify the bullshit from their meme ideology and try to pass that as reasonable. It's great. So keep up! (*ゝω・)ノ

On August 4, 1968, Mao was presented with some mangoes by the Pakistani foreign minister, Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, in an apparent diplomatic gesture.[221] Mao called the mangoes a "spiritual time bomb"[222] and shortly afterwards, Mao had his aide divide them up and send them to Mao Zedong Propaganda Teams across Beijing, starting with one started at Tsinghua University on August 5.[223]

One of the mangoes was sent to the Beijing Textile Factory,[223] whose revolutionary committee organised a rally in the mangoes' honour.[224] Workers read out quotations from Mao and celebrated the gift. Altars were erected to prominently display the fruit; when the mango peel began to rot after a few days, the fruit was peeled and boiled in a pot of water. Workers then filed by and each was given a spoonful of mango water. The revolutionary committee also made a wax replica of the mango, and displayed this as a centrepiece in the factory. There followed several months of "mango fever", as the fruit became a focus of a "boundless loyalty" campaign for Chairman Mao. More replica mangoes were created and the replicas were sent on tour around Beijing and elsewhere in China. Many revolutionary committees visited the mangoes in Beijing from outlying provinces; approximately half a million people greeted the replicas when they arrived in Chengdu. Badges and wall posters featuring the mangoes and Mao were produced in the millions.[223] The fruit was shared among all institutions that had been a part of the propaganda team, and large processions were organised in support of the zhengui lipin ("precious gift"), as the mangoes were known as.[226] One dentist in a small village compared a mango to a sweet potato; he was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.[225]

/u/zombiesingularity, was it autism?

100% didn't believe this, and then Google'd it. What the fuck is wrong with the Chinese?

Chinese history has essentially been one wacky slapstick setpiece after another since the Manchu took over in 1644

I understand now why they eat tiger dicks.

Yeah if my ration was a spoonful of mango water I'd eat tiger dicks too

What is wrong with that comment? It seems perfectly reasonable

lol wtf I love the Great Leap Forward now

Dangerous, genocidal pieces of shit like u/zombiesingularity is a lolcow I have no problem downvting.

Did you guys see that video of Mao swimming though? He looked like a good guy, maybe we're all wrong about him.

And Stalin liked to have little children to sit on his knees as much as possible. Also Lavrentiy Beria looks like such a ladies man.

>/r/China

>first thing I see is a Canadian flag

Pottery.

Gotta love when some basementdwelling, teenage mayo tells people how they should feel about their own history and customs.

If strong white men aren't there to tell minorities and foreigners what to think and feel, who will? WHO WILL?

There are no Chinese people on r/China. That's r/sino.

r/China is white people living in China.

r/Sino is (ethnically) Chinese people living in the West.

I read the other day that Mao had a bunch of concubines that he would just pick up and fuck all day and then when he got tired of them they'd just ship them off to some other guy to marry.

It really made me put the whole Absolute Dictator thing into perspective.

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'I don't think Mao really killed millions of people, but even if he did it was for their own good and it was all innocent mistakes and natural disasters. Yes, plenty of authors from inside and outside of China assert that Mao did in fact kill millions of people, and no, natural disasters do not account for all these deaths, but they don't provide credible sources for these claims. Well, yes, they did provide plenty of sources, but I personally don't find any of them convincing. And anyway, sure, some people might have died in the Great Leap Forward but again, it was necessary to develop China's agriculture, and also it was all Khrushchev's fault because he stopped providing China with technology. Anyway, all those authors are all right wing capitalists with an axe to grind so you can't trust any of them anyway. Including Deng Xiaoping himself.'

Wow what an amazing argument. You can just feel the conviction when the author repeatedly undermines his own argument.

I don't think Mao really killed millions of people, but even if he did it was for their own good and it was all innocent mistakes and natural disasters.

Lmao this is the commie equivelant of someone saying “the holocaust didnt happen, but I wish it did”

Also, were not taking into account Mao's bravery in action against a heavily conservative culture, he was trying to work against his enemies in the party while with a heavily intolerant, racist, xenophobic, sexist, uneducated population... he did not have a good result, and experiments failed, but it's important to keep ideology in mind.

Weakest defense to Mao I have ever seen. u/alvarious, you are not getting your fifty cents at this rate.

Why is there an /r/China when the Chinese aren't allowed to use it? It's like having an American appreciation convention in Japan during WW2

Reddit is not blocked in China.

In my canon it is.

Somehow the legitimate Chinese communist party is less retarded than these people...

At the very least, the CCP abandoned socialism rotting corpse once Mao died and opened up with the “socialism with Chinese characteristics” aka capitalism.

They still got a long way to go on freeing the economy and, more importantly, the people, but it weren’t Mao’s economic ideas that basically eradicated extreme poverty in China. It were Deng’s.

Mao did nothing wrong

Anytime I venture to /communism or /latestagecapatalism I immediately regret it.

Just me and my 💕daddy💕, hanging out I got pretty economically unstable🍆 so I started to pout 😞 He asked if I was down ⬇for something revolutionary 😍🍆 and I asked what and he said he'd give me his ☭commies!☭ Yeah! Yeah!💕☭ I equally distribute wealth!☭ I expand my glorious regime!☭ I swallow countries whole☭ 😍 It makes 💘daddy💘 😊happy😊 so it's my only goal... 💕☭😫Harder daddy! Harder daddy! 😫☭💕 1 commie☭, 2 commie☭☭, 3 commie☭☭☭, 4☭☭☭☭ I'm 💘daddy's💘 👑czar 👑but I'm also a socialist! 💟 He makes me feel safe💗!He makes me feel nationalistic💜! 💘💘💘He makes me feel everything a little ☭commie☭ should!~ 💘💘💘 👑☭💘Wa-What!💘☭👑