It actually has increased human trafficking in Germany and The Netherlands, but that could also be due in large part to the lack of regulation + lack of anti human trafficking resources + proximity to shitholes like Ukraine and Moldova
I hail from LPR but I got the fuck out of there in August of 2014. This was one hell of a story, I even had an AMA on Reddit (at the same time as Jeff Bridges, yay).
LPR is a hellish hell yeah and no, Moldova won't be worse than it. Moldova has its' own DPR/LPR - Transnistria.
I'm glad you're out of there, can't even imagine what life is like in a place like LPR. I know about Transnistria, but I thought it was supposed to be more poor and boring than anything.
It seems like the Australian and New Zealand models are more effective at curtailing human trafficking, but they're also pretty isolated, and it seems like statistics aren't really well-kept on human trafficking. I'm also pretty skeptical of how well America can handle dealing with a potential influx of trafficking, given how horrible it is at dealing with human trafficking right now.
I actually have a pretty funny/terrible story about that...my friend was living with a guy kind of as a housekeeper, and he had a crazy Ukranian wife. One day, my friend was doing something or other and stumbled across a horde of passport copies from women of Eastern Euro shitholes. Turns out the wife was running a bunch of "mail order bride" websites that essentially functioned as sex slave purchasing operations. My friend tried calling the authorities, and they did absolutely nothing in spite of the huge pile of evidence. Turns out that nobody gives a shit if you're an immigrant running a crime ring unless ur brown.
I'm also pretty skeptical of how well America can handle dealing with a potential influx of trafficking, given how horrible it is at dealing with human trafficking right now.
Yea sadly I doubt the feds in the US are up to the challenge, they seem pretty handicapped as it is
It'll never be legal here, people are too retardly connected to their puritan roots it seems. If it ever was legalized, hopefully it would come with severe laws to protect workers and punish exploiters. Lordy knows we can't hope for that here tho.
It would necessitate too many federal protection laws and were just, frankly, too goddamn retarded for that.
It's such a tragedy the amount of trafficking that happens here. But fuck the Feds right? 😂 (more crying than laughing fyi)
Unfortunately the man involved is a higher-up at BIG Company, so getting the media involved is out of the question. She's in the process of getting her comeuppance through a different channel, though.
tbh given how terrible this woman is, and how terrible the guy is with women, he seems like a victim here too. he adopted her son, who has severe behavioral problems for obvious reasons, and the woman is an extremely violent and abusive drunk in addition to being a human trafficker
Sadly she won't get half of what she deserves. She was also an MMA fighter, which means she has the strength of a fairly ripped man with much better fighting skills. She'd randomly slink up to my friend, grab her from behind, and lift her (friend was morbidly obese at the time) as a display of power. Complete piece of shit all around.
In most cases I would conspire with you, but I don't wanna get my friend or the guy into any trouble :/ Plus the court is now (hopefully) punishing her to some degree. Not nearly as much as she deserves, though.
The only argument I've seen is that it increases human trafficking but that doesn't even make sense.
It makes sense if you define "human trafficking" so broadly that any non native prostitute is counted as a victim of human trafficking. The vast majority of these people aren't modern day sex slaves, they're immigrants who moved to where the good paying work is.
I mean, it would be nice, on some level, if there were some things you can't buy.
Also, there is the hilarious situation of the woman in Germany who was required to take any job for which she was qualified, in order to receive the dole. Aaaaaaand a job at a brothel opened up.
The modal objection imo is that it encourages the commodification/objectification of women and their bodies and thus will encourage shitty attitudes among men.
Those already exist and always have. Regulating it will also curb that, by making it a legit business in which women are in control of their bodies, unlike now in which most of it is run by fucking traffickers and pimps
This is why I hate r/science. 90% of the top posts are just retarded politically charged conclusions. They aren't retarded because they are wrong, they are just obvious. The only reason they get upvoted is because they are left-leaning
This is my favorite example:
Teen birth rates spiked in Texas after funding for family planning services was reduced by 67% in 2011
Gee, getting rid of abortion services and birth control increases teen births? Is anyone actually retarded enough to need to hear this news?
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1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Is there actually any justification for outlawing prostitution? I've never heard a real one
1 ShaggyO_0Rogers 2017-10-30
Legalised prostitution helps incels to score gussy. Gross and yucky, tbqhwyf.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
As if the pure Knights of /r/incels would deign to sample the chewed up guccis of paid women. Incels are pure shining examples of righteous chastity
Try again
1 ShaggyO_0Rogers 2017-10-30
Brb. Committing seppuku.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-10-30
Wow, incels spoiled Game of Thrones for me :(
1 Fucking_Christ 2017-10-30
Degenerates should be gassed tbh
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
then who would post in r/drama?
1 FrostBittenSalsa 2017-10-30
Faggots like me. I don't think you spergs want that, do you?
1 Namenamenamenamena 2017-10-30
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Needs regulation, which would be easier if it wasn't stigmatized.
Keeping it illegal isn't going to stop trafficking, and perhaps makes it more brutal
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-10-30
It's okay, they just get to prostitute at home!
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
It actually has increased human trafficking in Germany and The Netherlands, but that could also be due in large part to the lack of regulation + lack of anti human trafficking resources + proximity to shitholes like Ukraine and Moldova
3 wisty 2017-10-30
What's the definition of "trafficking" though? Ukrainian women try to get there to work, because it's way safer (partly as a result of being legal)?
1 daskettenkrad 2017-10-30
Hey, Moldova is worse than us. And...I'd like to say it's not that bad but heck, I come from the fucking Donbass.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
lmaoing @ ur life
just kidding, please share your borscht recipe.
1 daskettenkrad 2017-10-30
There's no t in borsch, damn it!
You uncultured swine!
I actually like salo though. Salo is delicious.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
I've never had Salo, but the film's a masterpiece. ;)
What's it like living in the DPR? I've heard that it's hellish right now; is Moldova actually worse than it?
1 daskettenkrad 2017-10-30
I hail from LPR but I got the fuck out of there in August of 2014. This was one hell of a story, I even had an AMA on Reddit (at the same time as Jeff Bridges, yay).
LPR is a hellish hell yeah and no, Moldova won't be worse than it. Moldova has its' own DPR/LPR - Transnistria.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
I'm glad you're out of there, can't even imagine what life is like in a place like LPR. I know about Transnistria, but I thought it was supposed to be more poor and boring than anything.
1 no_youre 2017-10-30
No, you're snallygaster.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
BAD bot
1 daskettenkrad 2017-10-30
To put it in perspective - it was shit before the war. Now think about that for a second.
My mom is happy when they give extra water ahead of 2-1 schedule (2 days no water, 1 day water)
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
Jeez, that's worse than what my middle-class Indian friends had to go through. Is your mom still there?
1 daskettenkrad 2017-10-30
Yep, unfortunately.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
I'm sorry. What are the chances that you'll be able to get her out of there?
1 no_youre 2017-10-30
No, you're snallygaster.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Agree with your caveats. If it was legalized and actually regulated like people cared about sex workers, there could be a crackdown on that shit imho
They need to go after the traffickers, and in the US the pimps/organized crime bosses
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
It seems like the Australian and New Zealand models are more effective at curtailing human trafficking, but they're also pretty isolated, and it seems like statistics aren't really well-kept on human trafficking. I'm also pretty skeptical of how well America can handle dealing with a potential influx of trafficking, given how horrible it is at dealing with human trafficking right now.
I actually have a pretty funny/terrible story about that...my friend was living with a guy kind of as a housekeeper, and he had a crazy Ukranian wife. One day, my friend was doing something or other and stumbled across a horde of passport copies from women of Eastern Euro shitholes. Turns out the wife was running a bunch of "mail order bride" websites that essentially functioned as sex slave purchasing operations. My friend tried calling the authorities, and they did absolutely nothing in spite of the huge pile of evidence. Turns out that nobody gives a shit if you're an immigrant running a crime ring unless ur brown.
1 no_youre 2017-10-30
No, you're snallygaster.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
hmmm
1 glmox 2017-10-30
rly maeks u tink
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Yea sadly I doubt the feds in the US are up to the challenge, they seem pretty handicapped as it is
It'll never be legal here, people are too retardly connected to their puritan roots it seems. If it ever was legalized, hopefully it would come with severe laws to protect workers and punish exploiters. Lordy knows we can't hope for that here tho.
It would necessitate too many federal protection laws and were just, frankly, too goddamn retarded for that.
It's such a tragedy the amount of trafficking that happens here. But fuck the Feds right? 😂 (more crying than laughing fyi)
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-10-30
Interestingly, prostitution isn't illegal at a federal level in the U.S., though sexual trafficking is. That's why brothels can exist in rural Nevada.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Really sucks man. Did your friend try to reach out to media outlets? Tweet at them or whatever? Even a local paper can have a vital story
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
Unfortunately the man involved is a higher-up at BIG Company, so getting the media involved is out of the question. She's in the process of getting her comeuppance through a different channel, though.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Ugh ofc he is. God I hate humanity
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
tbh given how terrible this woman is, and how terrible the guy is with women, he seems like a victim here too. he adopted her son, who has severe behavioral problems for obvious reasons, and the woman is an extremely violent and abusive drunk in addition to being a human trafficker
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Ohh I read it wrong. Shoot that is a horndoggle isn't It? Fuck her hopefully she gets the hell she deserves
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
Sadly she won't get half of what she deserves. She was also an MMA fighter, which means she has the strength of a fairly ripped man with much better fighting skills. She'd randomly slink up to my friend, grab her from behind, and lift her (friend was morbidly obese at the time) as a display of power. Complete piece of shit all around.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Snally this is vigilante time
Dm the deets I'm down. I have run through mentally destroying innumerable people's lives. I am ready
1 no_youre 2017-10-30
No, you're LadyVetinari.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
In most cases I would conspire with you, but I don't wanna get my friend or the guy into any trouble :/ Plus the court is now (hopefully) punishing her to some degree. Not nearly as much as she deserves, though.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Inshallah my sister
Hopefully her victims will make it ok 🙁
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
Probably not the case 😭
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Fuck everything tbh
1 JasonJewnova 2017-10-30
Don't salt my game roastie, I need to earn a living
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
It doesn't count if it's in Ireland so ur in the clear my love 😚
1 JasonJewnova 2017-10-30
Praise allah 👳
I could use a good madame, you interested darling?
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Only if we have a hidden torture room for the johns that get a little too rough honey
1 JasonJewnova 2017-10-30
Ofc my dear, we already have a healthy supply of rope ;)
1 Clubberlangs_EvilSis 2017-10-30
I never seen proof it legalized human trafficking from any natural source.
1 snallygaster 2017-10-30
It didn't legalize trafficking, it just increased it.
1 Clubberlangs_EvilSis 2017-10-30
I'm a tard who can't spell, I've never seen proof it increased human trafficking from any neutral source.
1 no_youre 2017-10-30
No, you're Clubberlangs_EvilSis.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Good luck finding a neutral source to evaluate human trafficking
Wtf does neutral mean in this case anyway?
1 Clubberlangs_EvilSis 2017-10-30
Someone who isn't a religious freak who thinks that legalizing prostitution is preventing Satan from coming back.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
But Satan is so much better the Jesus.
Also Jesus s wife was a prostitute, but you missed that book because they took it out :(
1 Sophistrycated 2017-10-30
Outside of it being sinful and leading to the collapse of morality? No.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
lol
1 pizzashill 2017-10-30
No, there isn't. The only argument I've seen is that it increases human trafficking but that doesn't even make sense.
If you can regulate and control it I'd think human trafficking would decrease.
1 grep_var_log 2017-10-30
Bigger market, more reasons to ship in thousands of underpaid foreign nationals. Exactly the same as other labour markets.
1 timsboss 2017-10-30
It makes sense if you define "human trafficking" so broadly that any non native prostitute is counted as a victim of human trafficking. The vast majority of these people aren't modern day sex slaves, they're immigrants who moved to where the good paying work is.
1 strathmeyer 2017-10-30
"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free." It's the cows' faults.
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-10-30
I mean, it would be nice, on some level, if there were some things you can't buy.
Also, there is the hilarious situation of the woman in Germany who was required to take any job for which she was qualified, in order to receive the dole. Aaaaaaand a job at a brothel opened up.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
I mean, you can't buy happiness, or intimacy, or friendship
You wouldn't be familiar with any of those things tho so I understand of that concept is alien to you :(
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-10-30
You totally can buy happiness. I mean, just having money makes you happier, even before you spend it.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Ok honey
Your life is meaningful don't forget that
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-10-30
Awww, that is so sweet of you. :-D
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Ugh gross kys immediately
2 BigLordShiggot 2017-10-30
"It is in the thirties that we want friends. In the forties, we know they won't save us any more than love did."- F. Scott Fitzgerald, Notebooks
1 grep_var_log 2017-10-30
You can just buy a Dakimakura on Amazon, you idiot.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-10-30
Intersectional christo-feminism
1 MG87 2017-10-30
BECAUSE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD
1 mtg_liebestod 2017-10-30
The modal objection imo is that it encourages the commodification/objectification of women and their bodies and thus will encourage shitty attitudes among men.
1 LadyVetinari 2017-10-30
Those already exist and always have. Regulating it will also curb that, by making it a legit business in which women are in control of their bodies, unlike now in which most of it is run by fucking traffickers and pimps
1 strathmeyer 2017-10-30
There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
1 FrostBittenSalsa 2017-10-30
What?! Take da fajah avaaaaay!
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-10-30
Should I get a hooker for my wedding anniversary? I don't want to get herpes.
1 i_eat_crayons1 2017-10-30
This is why I hate r/science. 90% of the top posts are just retarded politically charged conclusions. They aren't retarded because they are wrong, they are just obvious. The only reason they get upvoted is because they are left-leaning
This is my favorite example:
Gee, getting rid of abortion services and birth control increases teen births? Is anyone actually retarded enough to need to hear this news?
sorry for seriouspost though
1 giroth 2017-10-30
No need to apologize, we've seen far worse
1 glmox 2017-10-30
imagine being so boring you dont want more whores in the world