He should have used Fauxcahontas tbh.

Trump isn't that smart

I wonder if he uses some kind of speech-to-text program because he can't type...

covfefe

I can't think of anyone who can cause so much drama with a tweet. How does the madman do it? 8000 + comments and possible tens of thousands of butt hurt reditors

That's far too intellectual for Trump.

What exactly is native American culture u/Mr_Dr_Prof_Patrick I know they enjoy firewater, casinos, and rain dances. Please inform us on their culture and how calling someone Pocahontas hurts it. Besides Warren was culturally appropriating being a native American anyway, so it seems to me like trump was actually defending native americans culture from warren.

Warren has shown that she understands and respect Native American culture in a way that she is for all intents and purposes a Native American. There is more to being a Native American than simply being born of one.

Something about defining people by their race, making race so inportant to the point of needing to highlight it with a nickname. People want to be seen as themselves.

Is this person for real?

/u/the_real_mongoose ... now is when you call that behavior out? ID politics amirite?

Wat? I dont understand your issue

I just think it's hypocritical to talk about that, when that kind of identity politics has almost been coming from the other side 100% of the time.

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment reading it again, but I don't think Trumps comment was anything close to what you descirbed in the first paragraph.

Yea, I think it was a misunderstanding. After that I explained why I don't think Trump's usage was racist in this case. I sort of softened my language to say I "lean" no because I find people listen better when you avoid strong assertions. But yea, I don't think "racism" is an accurate description of Trump's usage.

If you don't mind me asking though I have a few questions about the first thing you said. I'm a linguist and my current research is about political discourse on reddit, so it's more than just curiosity that I'm asking. Your response would be really helpful, but of course I understand if you don't want to.

You said:

I just think it's hypocritical to talk about that, when that kind of identity politics has almost been coming from the other side 100% of the time.

Can you clarify this? What "side" are you on? What about my post, or the context of it, caused you to initially identify me as a member of the "other side"? Can you explain more what you mean by "that kind of identity politics", and how my post (as you first interpreted it) would be hypocritical in relation?

Again, I want to clarify that I'm not looking to argue with you or change your perception of these things. I know when most people ask questions like this it's in preperation to prove you wrong about something. My research is specifically about the way people identify each other's political affiliations, so this is just an opportunity to collect data. And if I quote you I will censor your user name. Full anonymity.

Can you clarify this? What "side" are you on?

When I said "other side", I meant the left.

That being said, I wouldn't really say I'm on the right. For reference, I'm a Canadian whose voted NDP in every election I could vote. Now THAT being said, I probably will vote conservative in our upcoming election because of the aforementioned identity politics. Frankly, I'm sick of people treating race or gender like the most important thing about a person, and that goes for anything.

People always talk about how the countries have been pushed right, and while I think that may be true on the economics thing, I think the left have absolutely run away to the left for social things.

What about my post, or the context of it, caused you to initially identify me as a member of the "other side"

Only the fact that you seemed to disagree with the person who was defending Trump. I know that sounds like a very shit reason, but you have to remember that these posts were in r/politics. I did definitely jump to conclusions (and I don't think you can blame me :))

Thanks for your response! A couple follow up questions if you don't mind/have time.

I probably will vote conservative in our upcoming election because of the aforementioned identity politics. Frankly, I'm sick of people treating race or gender like the most important thing about a person, and that goes for anything.

I think I have an idea of the sort of rhetoric you're referring to. Or at least there are certain qualities frequently found within rhetoric on the left that I also take exception to, and I imagine your complaints are similar. In terms of how this has influenced you to consider voting conservative in the next election:

-1. Are there specific policies or proposed legislation being discussed that you oppose and see as directly tied to this rhetoric?

and if not then which of the following is a more accurate description of the influence of the rhetoric on your voting decisions:

-2A. Do you feel that if given power, the people who use this rhetoric will attempt to enact policies that haven't yet received discussion?

-2B: Do you feel that specific policies aren't the main issue, and that you want to see people associated with that rhetoric denied validation in hopes that the expressed perspectives will lose credibility?

-2C: Are there any other influencing factors of the rhetoric on how you plan to vote besides the two I articulated?

and last

-3: I mostly experience this rhetoric within internet communities, and hear very little about it from the people I come into personal contact with. Your reality may vary, but to the degree that certainly a lot of your exposure must occur here on reddit, how is it that you are able to distinguish the degree to which this dynamic is a reality within Canadian politics rather than one more confined to the USA that you just happen to get exposed to a lot?

Only the fact that you seemed to disagree with the person who was defending Trump. I know that sounds like a very shit reason

Haha, no, not a shit reason at all. I mean, that's really the only way such identifications usually occur, right? No, I meant more specifically, what words or phrase made it seem like I was initially disagreeing with that person? My intent in that post was to appear like I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but proposing a potential perspective that answered their question. I'm not assigning blame as to whether that intention was poorly signaled or poorly interpreted; that sort of judgement is irrelevant. I'm just curious what within the language itself caused you to interpret it as a disagreement (something aligned) instead of an offered hypothetical perspective (something neutral).

1. Are there specific policies or proposed legislation being discussed that you oppose and see as directly tied to this rhetoric?

In Canada?

There's M103, which is the anti-islamophobia bill. I'd be fine if they wanted an anti-"muslimphobia" bill, but they're including criticisms of Islam in that too, which frankly, I find ridiculous. No ideology should be immune from criticism.

Then there's the aforementioned stuff about Jagmeet Singh. He had also tried passing a bill that exempted sikhs from wearing motorcycle helmets due to their religion... which in a country with socialized healthcare is kind of ehhh.

Then there was bill C-16, which was the "don't discriminate against different gender identities bill". I don't really have a problem with the bill itself, but it's more about how the discussion around it was handled, as well as how it may interact with Canadas "Human rights Tribunals". The big thing for me was that they refused to actually define what gender identities were protected. I have absolutely zero issue with MtF or FtM trans people. I wouldn't care about people who indentified as asexual either. But the way the bill was worded basically includes everything under the sun, and considering there's absolutely no science backing any of that (pangender and shit like that)... I find it kind of ridiculous that a law was passed with no research that supports that.

Then we have Trudeau and his 50/50 male/female cabinet. Now considering that the pool of people he picked from had less than 1/3rd women... I find it hard to believe that selecting only on merit resulted in a 50/50 split... and when asked about this discrimination, his response was: "Because it's 2015" (yes, hes the one responsible for that meme).

Now unrelated to this identity politics, I'm also not voting Liberal because the way they handled electoral reform... so it's not like the above is the ONLY reason I'll probably be going Conservative next election.

2B: Do you feel that specific policies aren't the main issue, and that you want to see people associated with that rhetoric denied validation in hopes that the expressed perspectives will lose credibility?

So as I've shown above, there was specific legislation... but I'd still say I resonate with this. I don't know what your thoughts are on the :"it's okay to be white" posters, but I think they illustrated pretty well the problem that's been creeping up in the left with how that was responded to. So I definitely want more to be done in terms of denying people that frankly, I think are just racist.

3: I mostly experience this rhetoric within internet communities, and hear very little about it from the people I come into personal contact with.

I'm the same, but I also live in a small town in Canada. I've definitely seen it when I visit friends in Toronto. I've also seen a few things coming out of our university here that are questionable, so thank fuck i graduated from there a while ago.

Your reality may vary, but to the degree that certainly a lot of your exposure must occur here on reddit, how is it that you are able to distinguish the degree to which this dynamic is a reality within Canadian politics rather than one more confined to the USA that you just happen to get exposed to a lot?

I think Canada is actually worse when it comes to actual politics (as in, political parties and politicians) for this kind of stuff. Our universities are not great either. That being said, I think companies in the US get involved a lot more, while in Canada they seem to stay a bit more neutral, but maybe that's me just not paying attention.

As to why I think it's a reality in Canadian politics, I think the aforementioned bills, and just the rhetoric in general. here's another example.

Thanks so much for taking the time to give me these detailed answers to my questions. Much appreciated.

No problem.

Thinking the right isn't king of identity politics.

:(

lol i love how people try to defend her by saying that “well you don’t have proof that she lied about her heritage.”

that isn’t how burden of proof works

I don't think my argument is very complicated. I don't know why it's being met with such hostility.

Is there evidence that Warren knew she did not have Native heritage when she made that claim? I haven't seen it.

ITT Warren doesn't need to prove the positive, but instead we must prove a negative beyond any shadow of a doubt.

There's a reason why culture based scholarships and awards require some physical documentation and don't just allow anyone to submit then seek to prove someone is lying.

In case that isn't crystal clear enough for you /u/Mr_Dr_Prof_Patrick

Am I not allowed to offer polite disagreement? That's all I'm doing here.

She didn't receive any kind of scholarship from her claims of ancestry.

My point is the modus is on her to prove the positive. Not on everyone else to prove the negative.

Trump is a failed meat salesman, trust fund kid with fantasies of incest. He's a brain dead moron and the fact you're taking his side over literally anyone else suggests you are too. I geniunely don't know if him or Kim Jong-un is less credible.

wow that's disgusting, did he really try to sell meat one time?

At an electronic store.

Thanks for the enthusiastic replies friends. There are a lot of them now so I might have to catch up later. Hope the drama was good :)

u/Dusty_Machine really knows what is up.

Since when is Pocahontas a fucking racial slur it's a name.

Like when I call every mexican person i meet Gonzales, does that make me racist? I hope not otherwise...

Trump's insult game is on the same level as a nine year old kid who gets beaten at home with a learning disability. What is wrong with him? He keeps repeating it to which means he doesn't understand how stupid it makes him look.

Thanks for being today's White Person Offended On Behalf of Minorities Because It Fits Your Political Ideology.

If i murder a woman and then take her scalp as a souvenir, am i then appropriating Native American warrior rituals?

Maybe using a word should rub them "the wrong way" less than someone claiming they have your heritage when they don't

Like, why is it funny or insulting to call someone the name of the most famous Native American?

He's making fun of her for lying about her heritage.

Like Talcum X. It's not insulting black people, it's insulting this idiot for lying about being black for oppression points.

You dense motherfucker

Natives

Culture

Smallpox isn't a culture chief drinky