When we checked with the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops, Michele M. Taylor, the group’s associate director for communications, pointed to the 2012 Supreme Court case Arizona vs. United States. The majority opinion found that "as a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States."
Experts agreed. Unlawful presence is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor, said Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. It is a civil infraction that results in removal and a bar on re-entry for a certain period of time.
If they had been deported and then came back in, sure, that's probably a crime, but it isn't a felony.
They were in the United States legally as permanent residents. They were rendered ineligible for cancellation of removal and deported because they committed aggravated felonies.
Judging by your feigned illiteracy, I'd guess that you're the left-wing equivalent of le epic /pol/ trolls? I'll give you two serious replies to rebut this presumption. Please use them wisely.
They were in the United States legally as permanent residents. They were rendered ineligible for cancellation of removal and deported because they committed aggravated felonies.
You didn't give me a list of aggravated felonies, you linked me a page related to immigration.
Judging by your feigned illiteracy, I'd guess that you're the left-wing equivalent of le epic /pol/ trolls? I'll give you two more serious replies to rebut this presumption. Please use them wisely.
I think your reading comprehension is the real problem here, it's ok, 5th grade is hard.
I asked you for a credible article talking about the felonies these people were guilty of - Not immigration status, you linked me something about illegal aliens, which made it seem as if you were claiming being here illegally was a felony.
No. I am telling you that 8 USC 1101(a)(43) defines what an aggravated felony is. If you're not capable of understanding legal terminology, please say so so I can simplify it for you. 8 USC 1101(a)(43) ennumerates the grounds upon which a person who has been a permanent resident for more than five years and has stayed in the country for more than seven years can be deported without any possible relief.
Again, I asked you for a list of felonies THESE people were guilty of.
Either way, the fact they were deported at all is absurd. Living here since childhood, served in the military, they're Americans. They should be treated like any other American.
It doesn't matter what they in particular were guilty of, because those are the only things which could have gotten them deported. I don't understand what makes it so hard for you to understand this.
If you're curious, for some reason, here's an article about them.
He was convicted in 1996 on a drug charge. That led to his deportation in 2010, when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents intercepted him at work delivering truckloads of plants in San Diego County. Left behind, he said, were a wife and two U.S.-born children.
8 USC 1101(a)(43)(B), drug trafficking.
Convicted of a felony in 2002 for shooting at a vehicle with people inside — nobody was hurt — he served 13 months in prison and was paroled.
8 USC 1101(a)(43)(F), crime of violence.
With no legal papers and few job prospects, he used a false birth certificate to enlist in the Marines in 2007, he said.
Inadmissible ab initio, 8 USC 1325. Still, 8 USC 1101(a)(43)(P). Yet, he was not prosecuted and allowed to become a citizen because regardless of his fraud, ICE didn't feel that they should deport him.
I asked for an article talking about the specific felonies, I didn't deny that they were guilty of some type of felony. You, because of your either severe mental illness or whatever cognitive problem you suffer from, started screeching.
The United States sure is evil, huh?
I don't think the united states is evil, I just think the united states is a kakistocracy.
This is a little bit different than the original argument.
It seems many of these guys had lived here since they were children, served in the military, broke the law, went to jail and were then deported.
I don't think they should be deported in that scenario. They lived here their entire life, they're Americans - they should be treated like any other American, once they've done their time they should be left alone.
It seems many of these guys had lived here since they were children, served in the military, broke the law, went to jail and were then deported.
Damn, I was under the impression that they had arrived recently, and joined the military to help streamline the citizenship process.
I didn't realize that people who come here legally when 7 years old don't end up as citizens a few years later, most people I knew like that got their citizenship within a few years.
If they grew up here, then yeah, I agree, they shouldn't be deported just because of that.
I don't think you get what I'm saying. Most of them came here as children, they've lived here their entire lives, they're Americans.
Given their service, they should have just been left alone after they served their time.
Like I'll never be able to comprehend how anyone justifies deporting people that have lived here their entire lives as if they're anything other than Americans.
They can't get rid of the criminals who always had citizenship, or even those who had citizenship at the time of the crime, so they're stuck with those.
But they can get rid of the ones who don't have citizenship, e.g. only permanent residence.
The immigration law (aside from anchor babies and sanctuary cities) is designed to let in those whose presence improves America, and keep the other ones out.
It doesn't matter if they weren't born here. If they've lived here since childhood, they are Americans.
It's downright immoral to send people to alien countries they've likely never even been to, maybe they don't even speak the language, just because they messed up.
the argument was the rest of the comment. which you ignored of course, because you know you can't counter the argument, the best you can do is try to weasel your way out with dumb rhetorical tricks.
The immigration law for the most part is designed to let in those whose presence improves America,
This shows that you know literally nothing about US immigration law aside from catchy phrases like "anchor babies" and "sanctuary cities." Immigration law in the US is not merit-based.
Fucking concern trolling out the ass. I like how quickly talking about the (legitimate) censoring of conservative opinions on Reddit becomes whining about daddy hate.
38 comments
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-11-11
This is a nice change, Mexicans waving the American flag
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
Did they actually deport war veterans?
1 TrailerParkBride 2017-11-11
Yeah, ones who committed felonies
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
Can you give me a credible article listing these felonies?
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
How about 8 USC 1101(a)(43), which you can find at your local law library if you distrust Cornell?
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
Being here illegally is not a felony.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/florida-conference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/
If they had been deported and then came back in, sure, that's probably a crime, but it isn't a felony.
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
They were in the United States legally as permanent residents. They were rendered ineligible for cancellation of removal and deported because they committed aggravated felonies.
Judging by your feigned illiteracy, I'd guess that you're the left-wing equivalent of le epic /pol/ trolls? I'll give you two serious replies to rebut this presumption. Please use them wisely.
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
You didn't give me a list of aggravated felonies, you linked me a page related to immigration.
I think your reading comprehension is the real problem here, it's ok, 5th grade is hard.
I asked you for a credible article talking about the felonies these people were guilty of - Not immigration status, you linked me something about illegal aliens, which made it seem as if you were claiming being here illegally was a felony.
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
No. I am telling you that 8 USC 1101(a)(43) defines what an aggravated felony is. If you're not capable of understanding legal terminology, please say so so I can simplify it for you. 8 USC 1101(a)(43) ennumerates the grounds upon which a person who has been a permanent resident for more than five years and has stayed in the country for more than seven years can be deported without any possible relief.
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
Again, I asked you for a list of felonies THESE people were guilty of.
Either way, the fact they were deported at all is absurd. Living here since childhood, served in the military, they're Americans. They should be treated like any other American.
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
It doesn't matter what they in particular were guilty of, because those are the only things which could have gotten them deported. I don't understand what makes it so hard for you to understand this.
If you're curious, for some reason, here's an article about them.
8 USC 1101(a)(43)(B), drug trafficking.
8 USC 1101(a)(43)(F), crime of violence.
Inadmissible ab initio, 8 USC 1325. Still, 8 USC 1101(a)(43)(P). Yet, he was not prosecuted and allowed to become a citizen because regardless of his fraud, ICE didn't feel that they should deport him.
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
Are you mentally ill?
I asked for an article talking about the specific felonies, I didn't deny that they were guilty of some type of felony. You, because of your either severe mental illness or whatever cognitive problem you suffer from, started screeching.
I don't think the united states is evil, I just think the united states is a kakistocracy.
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
You're getting into a policy debate. I think your position is tenable and I wish you the best in getting it implemented.
1 YankeeNationalist 2017-11-11
US is a kakistocracy.
If we had any form of competent leadership these people would've never been here in the first place.
Need to end birthright citizenship and progress into what other 1st world countries are doing in that regards.
Need to punish the businesses and capitalists who hire illegals as well.
1 TrailerParkBride 2017-11-11
Will you be able to read it?
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-veterans-2017-story.html
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
This is a little bit different than the original argument.
It seems many of these guys had lived here since they were children, served in the military, broke the law, went to jail and were then deported.
I don't think they should be deported in that scenario. They lived here their entire life, they're Americans - they should be treated like any other American, once they've done their time they should be left alone.
1 voodoo_onion 2017-11-11
Then they should have been born there, you stupid faggot.
1 shallowm 2017-11-11
Damn, I was under the impression that they had arrived recently, and joined the military to help streamline the citizenship process.
I didn't realize that people who come here legally when 7 years old don't end up as citizens a few years later, most people I knew like that got their citizenship within a few years.
If they grew up here, then yeah, I agree, they shouldn't be deported just because of that.
1 princessCuck 2017-11-11
*Aggravated felonies, which need not be felonies.
1 shallowm 2017-11-11
Apparently this is an article about them, if you're interested.
1 GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS 2017-11-11
I dunno but these guys will become cartel gunmen 100%.
TY for the gift murrica
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
There's actually a problem with military vets in general coming from gang backgrounds, going back and then training fellow gangbangers.
Or they come back with PTSD and they're just dangerous, the cops are seriously outskilled:
http://www.military.com/video/law-enforcement/police/warfighter-murders-police-officer/1575555331001
1 lssah1488wiking 2017-11-11
Drug business can be very profitable if they manage to be smart.
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-veterans-2017-story.html
they "made a mistake", like shooting into a car full of people, and were convicted for that "mistake."
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
I don't think you get what I'm saying. Most of them came here as children, they've lived here their entire lives, they're Americans.
Given their service, they should have just been left alone after they served their time.
Like I'll never be able to comprehend how anyone justifies deporting people that have lived here their entire lives as if they're anything other than Americans.
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
Well they weren't born here.
Most Americans don't like (violent) criminals.
They can't get rid of the criminals who always had citizenship, or even those who had citizenship at the time of the crime, so they're stuck with those.
But they can get rid of the ones who don't have citizenship, e.g. only permanent residence.
The immigration law (aside from anchor babies and sanctuary cities) is designed to let in those whose presence improves America, and keep the other ones out.
1 pizzashill 2017-11-11
It doesn't matter if they weren't born here. If they've lived here since childhood, they are Americans.
It's downright immoral to send people to alien countries they've likely never even been to, maybe they don't even speak the language, just because they messed up.
1 reddiquette_follower 2017-11-11
It's telling that most of what he knows about US immigration law is catchy phrases like "anchor babies" and "sanctuary cities."
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
lol?
1 reddiquette_follower 2017-11-11
You didn't understand my post. Figures.
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
In your junkie brain, by mentioning the exceptions to a rule I admit that I only knowing the exceptions.
US immigration law for the most part is designed to select people that improve US society.
there are a few exceptions
agree/disagree?
1 reddiquette_follower 2017-11-11
I'm a junkie now? You're not very good at this whole discussion thing if you have to immediately resort to weak ad hominem like that!
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
that's an insult, not an ad hominem.
the argument was the rest of the comment. which you ignored of course, because you know you can't counter the argument, the best you can do is try to weasel your way out with dumb rhetorical tricks.
1 reddiquette_follower 2017-11-11
you were using it to dismiss me without providing any real argument whatsoever, but nice try liar,. im 2 smart 4 u
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
duuuuuude :) you still don't know what an ad hominem is haha
that's the argument:
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-11
I'd love to deport anyone who murders people.
Unfortunately for most murderers there's nowhere else to send them.
For people who don't have citizenship, you can send them to their home country.
1 reddiquette_follower 2017-11-11
This shows that you know literally nothing about US immigration law aside from catchy phrases like "anchor babies" and "sanctuary cities." Immigration law in the US is not merit-based.
1 snappleteadrink 2017-11-11
Fucking concern trolling out the ass. I like how quickly talking about the (legitimate) censoring of conservative opinions on Reddit becomes whining about daddy hate.
1 XhotwheelsloverX 2017-11-11
You can downvote my bussy anytime.