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Let's ask Poland what they think. Or Estonia latvia or lithuania

Let's ask Britain and France who were supposed to go to war with anyone (((attacking Poland))).

Why? Those nations would be fucked regardless of what happens. They were, and mostly are, totally irrelevant, and their recollections and views are viewed through a prism of endless butthurt.

and that is wrong, and to claim that communism was not an evil imperialistic ideology is stupid. Also the claim that poland was in any way a weak nation is wrong, it wasn't it was just much weaker than its two neighbors, but Polish troops were important in the southern front after the fall of poland for instance

to claim that communism was not an evil imperialistic ideology is stupid

Never did that.

Also the claim that poland was in any way a weak nation is wrong

Lmao

it was just much weaker than its two neighbors

Thing is, that's the only part that actually counts. Strength is contextual and relative.

Polish troops were important in the southern front after the fall of poland for instance

No they weren't.

Polish troops were very important in the battles of south France and in closing the Falaise Pocket.

The battles in Poland actually crippled several "elite" division of Germanies military during the early war

So, not even remotely important.

the battles of south France and in closing the Falaise Pocket.

The war was won by that point.

The battles in Poland actually crippled several "elite" division of Germanies military during the early war

Didn't seem to do shit.

It saved a lot of lives

I don't think that you get that even if the "the war is already won" you still want to shorten it as much as possible

A war can "already be won" and continue for decades

Its ok kill to kill people as long as you do it in a way that opposes the US

God I hate WWII USSR fanboys. They're all over Reddit.

USSR signed a deal with the devil so they could invade some land and they got bit in the ass for it.

They went above and beyond that. A third of Germanys oil came with these treaties.

The Allies had even been planning in 1940 to start bombing Soviet oil infrastructure in the Caucasus. There was no doubt in anyone's mind at that time that the commies were part of the Axis.

The soviets absolutely planned to go to war with Germany from the mid 30s up. Anything they signed was because Stalin was foolish enough to believe he could stall the Germans out until the soviet army was ready to go.

Frankly the Soviets had many plans because Stalin was a very strange man who often had very different thoughts on the matter. After the invasion of Poland Stalin honestly thought he was allied with Hitler and was surprised to hear about operation Barborossa even though his military strategists and generals knew what was coming for some time. It was Stalin's fault that Barborrosa was as successful as it was, as his stupidity prevented the USSR from fully preparing for it

While the soviets were shit, the deal was likely signed to hold Germany off.

Both Germany and the Soviet union didn't think the deal would last very long and they'd be at war with each other pretty soon, and Stalin knew the soviet union was in no position to fight them, the stalling was required.

You don't stall by agreeing to eliminate the only buffer between your enemy...

Yeah, you do. Stalin was also just an idiot, from the third Reich trilogy:

At the same time, Stalin realized that, as he told graduating military cadets in Moscow on 5 May 1941, ‘War with Germany is inevitable.’ Molotov might be able to postpone it for two or three months, but in the meantime it was vital to ‘re-teach our army and our commanders. Educate them in the spirit of attack.’142 Delivered to young officers as a rhetorical message for the future, this was not a statement of intent. Stalin did not believe that the Red Army would be ready to deal with the Germans until 1942 or perhaps even 1943. Not only had the General Staff not drawn up any plans for an attack on the German forces, it had no plans for a defence against them either. Although the Germans mounted a large and sophisticated deception plan to conceal the true nature of their intentions, Soviet intelligence began to send in accurate reports that the invasion was planned for around 22 June 1941. But Stalin would not listen. Earlier reports that the invasion plans were to become operational on 15 May 1941, though correct at the time, proved wrong when the Germans delayed Barbarossa in order to mount the invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia. Hitler later blamed Mussolini for the consequences, but in fact the weather in East-Central Europe in these weeks would have made an invasion of the Soviet Union inadvisable even had the German Leader not been obliged to step in to rescue his Italian ally from the imbroglio in Southern Europe. The Soviet agents who had made the prediction lost all credibility as a result. The capitalist forces in Britain, including the exiled Polish government, seemed to Stalin’s narrow and suspicious mind to be feeding false information to him about German intentions in order to lure him into a battle. Surely in any case the German Leader would not invade while the conflict with Britain was still unresolved. When an ex-Communist soldier deserted the German forces on 21 June 1941 and swam across a river to tell the Russians on the other side that his unit had been given orders to invade the following morning, Stalin had him shot for spreading ‘disinformation’.

Stalin really was just delusional:

At 3.30 a.m. on 22 June 1941 the Chief of the Red Army General Staff, Georgi Zhukov, telephoned Stalin’s dacha to rouse the Soviet leader from his sleep. The Germans, he told him, had begun shelling Red Army positions along the frontier. Stalin refused to believe that a full-scale invasion was under way. Surely, he told a small gathering of civilian and military leaders in Moscow later in the morning, Hitler did not know about it. There must be a conspiracy among the leaders of the German armed forces. It was only when the German Ambassador, Count Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg, met Foreign Minister Molotov in the Kremlin to hand over the German declaration of war that Stalin recognized he had been duped by Hitler. Initially shocked, embarrassed and disoriented, Stalin soon pulled himself together. On 23 June 1941 he worked at his desk in the Kremlin from 3.20 in the morning to 6.25 in the evening, gathering information and making the necessary arrangements for the creation of a Supreme Command to take charge of operations. As the days went by, he became increasingly dispirited by the scale and speed of the German advance. At the end of June, he left for his dacha, saying, in his inimitably coarse way, ‘Everything’s lost. I give up. Lenin founded our state and we’ve fucked it up.’ He made no address to the Soviet people, he did not talk to his subordinates, he did not even answer the phone. German planes, indeed, dropped leaflets over the Red Army lines claiming that he was dead. When a delegation from the Politburo arrived at the dacha, they found Stalin slumped in an armchair. ‘Why have you come?’ he asked. With a thrill of terror, two members of the delegation, Mikoyan and Beria, realized he thought they had come to arrest him.

It was either that, or watching the Germans move up all the way to their borders incrementally. The Soviets were trying their best to build buffer.

This, btw, is why they let Poland have a proper go at holding the nazis back, and only invaded when the Polish military resistance was broken and there was no hope of an independent buffer.

Stalin tried an anti-Hitler alliance first. Didn't work out. Honestly, if you think the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about getting some land, your understanding of the situation is shit.

And you're a naive fool if you think the Soviet weren't just as interested in conquest as the Nazis

no way these are all capitalist pig dog lies, stalin was our brosef and he gave candy to little kids from his dacha every halloween. plus he'd let you fuck his sister if you asked nicely. we should canonize him, St Josef of Stalingrad

Warum kann es nicht beides sein? Sure, the Soviets had territorial ambitions - a Romanian friend of mine (too young to have been there, but I guess folks remember) explained their position concerning Hitler as "but at least he wasn't Stalin", as in, Hitler was terrifying, but Stalin was little better and right next to them. But it's also the case, I've read, that the USSR weren't able to forge any other alliances in the 1930s. Admittedly Stalin probably didn't do himself too many favours on that one.

WW2 is just late consequence of WW1, which imperialist guys should be blamed for.

And they were all a product of Napoleon, and he was a product of the revolutionary period of the late 1700's, and so on. They call them timelines for a reason, cause and effect...

The wrong side won the Battle of Tours, fam.

it's all really those fucking Sea People's faults.

#MakeCreteGreatAgain

They signed the pact in 1939. Why are you linking an article about shit that happened in 1942?