I can only confidently guarantee that the prostitute you end up making tender love to (lol) will shower longer than she usually does after your 5 shameful minutes of disappointing her
They don't get something for nothing. They're doing research and in many cases helping teach for the university. In return they're being compensated with tuition and a living stipend.
Getting pissed at raised taxes that aren't offering any real benefit to the middle to lower classes while the rich and corporations get permanent tax breaks is pretty reasonable tbh.
how does raising taxes ever benefit any "class" other than the government. Taxing the rich doesn't benefit the poor unless that money is used to help the poor. This tax seems like an attempt to stem the inflating bubble of tuition costs caused by the government backing student loans allowing universities to raise tuitions with no immediate impact because lol 18 year olds are good at making life decisions.
18 year olds know a hell of a fucking lot more than you do about the patriarchy, systems of oppression, and genderfluidity. Of course they're going to know more about making better life decisions too.
As I understand it, the rich aren't getting a tax cut and the cuts for the "middle class" and below aren't that big. Corporations are going to get tax breaks, but that's good if you understand economics, because corporations don't really pay taxes. Corporations build the cost of any tax into the price of the product and pass it on to the consumer. That would be you. When politicians say "corporations aren't paying their fair share" what they really mean is that you need to pay more for every good and/or service you purchase.
In any case, /r/LateStageCapitalism is only pissed because they think their taxes are going to go up or they're losing perks and benefits. If you quit taxing the rich altogether they wouldn't care so long as you gave them something fabulous, too. Until shitty college kids who expect free stuff start voting they should expect politicians to put the needs of people who actually vote ahead of their own.
I remember people bitching that the "US saved itself" after the market crashes in the late 00s
There are people who think nations and societies should let themselves collapse so they can build something "better".
I am sure that the poster and their family will survive the following decades of strife that would follow and they would surely be part of the new hierarchy
Yeah but they have to balance the budget. So to pay for tax cuts for the rich they're raising taxes on graduate students, universities (taxing endowments), blue staters (removing state income tax deduction), etc
What does it matter? The budget hasn't been balanced at any time during my life and I'm old. We've run a deficit for as long as I can remember and we're 20 Trillion in debt. They aren't going to stop digging the hole, so they might as well dig it faster.
That might make sense if the Republicans ran on an accelerationist "we run up the deficit and fuck children in order to blow up the country" platform, but they don't.
Brilliant. So you want to balance the budget by discouraging people to make more money by going to school, so they can make more money. That will surely work out well.
lol all the college students criticizing people for wanting lower taxes and clamoring for higher taxes melting down when THEIR taxes get raised. plus im pretty sure this is only changing it to taxable income, so if they are still poor like they claim it probably wont even cost them that much
>tfw my instate tuition at a public university is only 8k so that combined with scholarships and ga stipends means my tax rate will still be retardedly low.
The U.S. is pathetic when it comes to funding of research and development. If we devoted 3% of what we currently use to fund more research programs in this country, we would be far better off.
I'm worried about how research funds are distrib-uted. I'm worried that cancelling government funds for SETI is part of a trend. The government has been pressuring the National Science Foundation to move away from basic scientific research and to support technology, engineering, applications. Congress is suggesting doing away with the US Geological Survey, and slashing support for study of the Earth's fragile environment. NASA support for research and analysis of data already obtained is increasingly constrained. Many young scientists are not only unable to find grants to support their research; they are unable to find jobs. Industrial research and development funded by American com- panies has slowed across the board in recent years.
United States lost its lead to Japan in most semiconductor technologies. It experiences severe declines in market share in colour TVs, VCRs, phonographs, telephone sets and machine tools. Basic research is where scientists are free to pursue their curiosity and interrogate Nature, not with any short-term practical end in view, but to seek knowledge for its own sake. Scientists of course have a vested interest in basic research. It's what they like to do, in many cases why they became scientists in the first place. But it is in society's interest to support such research. This is how the major discoveries that benefit humanity are largely made. Whether a few grand and ambitious scientific projects are a better investment than a larger number of small programmes is a worthwhile question.
We are rarely smart enough to set about on purpose making the discoveries that will drive our economy and safeguard our lives. Often, we lack the fundamental research. Instead, we pursue a broad range of investigations of Nature, and applications we never dreamed of emerge. Not always, of course. But often enough. Giving money to someone like Maxwell might have seemed the most absurd encouragement of mere 'curiosity-driven' science, and an imprudent judgement for practical legislators.
Why grant money now, so nerdish scientists talking incomprehensible gibber-ish can indulge their hobbies, when there are urgent unmetnational needs? From this point of view it's easy to understand the contention that science is just another lobby, another pressure group anxious to keep the grant money rolling in so the scientists don't ever have to do a hard day's work or meet a payroll. Maxwell wasn't thinking of radio, radar and television when he first scratched out the fundamental equations of electromagnet-ism; Newton wasn't dreaming of space flight or communications satellites when he first understood the motion of the Moon; Roentgen wasn't contemplating medical diagnosis when he inves-tigated a penetrating radiation so mysterious he called it 'X-rays';Curie wasn't thinking of cancer therapy when she painstakingly extracted minute amounts of radium from tons of pitchblende; Fleming wasn't planning on saving the lives of millions with antibiotics when he noticed a circle free of bacteria around a growth of mould; Watson and Crick weren't imagining the cure of genetic diseases when they puzzled over the X-ray diffractometry of DNA; Rowland and Molina weren't planning to implicate CFCs in ozone depletion when they began studying the role of halogens in stratospheric photochemistry. Members of Congress and other political leaders have from time to time found it irresistible to poke fun at seemingly obscure scientific research proposals that the government is asked to fund.
I imagine the same spirit in previous governments - a Mr Fleming wishes to study bugs in smelly cheese; a Polish woman wishes to sift through tons of Central African ore to find minute quantities of a substance she says will glow in the dark; a Mr Kepler wants to hear the songs the planets sing.
These discoveries and a multitude of others that grace and characterize our time, to some of which our very lives are beholden, were made ultimately by scientists given the opportu-nity to explore what in their opinion, under the scrutiny of their peers, were basic questions in Nature. Industrial applications, in which Japan in the last two decades has done so well, are excellent. But applications of what? Fundamental research, research into the heart of Nature, is the means by which we acquire the new knowledge that gets applied. Scientists have an obligation, especially when asking for big money, to explain with great clarity and honesty what they're after. The Superconducting Supercollider (SSC) would have been the preeminent instrument on the planet for probing the fine structure of matter and the nature of the early Universe. Its price tag was $10 to $15 billion. It was cancelled by Congress in 1993 after about $2 billion had been spent - a worst of both worlds
There is a growing free-market view of human knowledge, according to which basic research should compete without govern-ment support with all the other institutions and claimants in society. If they couldn't have relied on government support, and had to compete in the free-market economy of their day, it's unlikely that any of the scientists on my list would have been able to do their groundbreaking research. And the cost of basic research is substantially greater than it was in Maxwell's day -both theoretical and, especially, experimental. But that aside, would free-market forces be adequate to support basic research? Only about ten per cent of meritorious research
proposals in medicine are funded today. More money is spent on quack medicine than on all of medical research. What would it be like if government opted out of medical research? A necessary aspect of basic research is that its applications lie in the future, sometimes decades or even centuries ahead. What's more, no one knows which aspects of basic research will have practical value and which will not. If scientists cannot make such predictions, is it likely that politicians or industrialists can? If free-market forces are focused only towards short-term profit - as they certainly mainly are in an America with steep declines in corporate research - is not this solution tantamount to abandoning basic research? Cutting off fundamental, curiosity-driven science is like eating the seed corn. We may have a little more to eat next winter, butw hat will we plant so we and our children will have enough to get through the winters to come?
I specifically said "funding" for a reason. If we shifted a fraction of our spending on the money pits that are social programs and military spending into R&D (non-military in particular), we could blow the rest of the world away.
The millitary is a large part of why the US has technological supremacy.
Yes, but concentrating most of the R&D budget to military pursuits is unwise. Striking a balance between military and civilian research is important because civilians can think in ways that the military cannot. Civilians are also free to explore a wider range of research while the military is constrained by the applicability of their research.
I would venture to guess that a large majority of the U.S. R&D budget is probably devoted to military developments.
That is true, but that doesn't support your original statement that the US is pathetic when it comes to funding of research and development. They fund as much as they need to remain well ahead of the rest, and they do. They might be able to tone down on millitary expenses if they didn't also have to prop up NATO for all the yuropoors.
They fund as much as they need to remain well ahead of the rest, and they do.
The U.S. is not well ahead of the rest, though. China is quickly catching up in many fields, particular machine learning. We've been too arrogant and it's going to bite us in the ass.
I'm well aware, but the top-spec research is mainly done on bases afaik.
The odd thing is, NIH and NSF still give out grants of a certain size for grad students. So unless they increase the stipend, it'd be better to get paid more by the university (assuming they paid more) than get a NSF grant.
"I'll never abandon lady science. I'll just dive deeper into the pit of debt and ultimately perish in the coming revolution, fist in air. Eat the rich."
HAHAHAHAHA having a fucking revolution as your only hope to get out of debt
Half of them hate guns so yeah probably. They might overwhelm us with pure numbers eventually though. Also I've noticed rich capitalists aren't too hot on guns either. The private high school the size of a small college near me has no rifle range while the public school in the "right to farm" community does.
It's kinda true...grad students literally pay to work, and any stipend they get from being an RA or TA is usually poverty wages. It's a fuckin pyramid scheme that you willingly opt into to ~widen the pool of knowledge for the good of mankind~
It's not true in this context. The bill would treat tuition waivers as income, which would increase their overall tax burden. So the people it would apply to are the people who aren't paying for school.
I think it's stupid too. I haven't really seen a legit justification for it yet. But I also find it fucking hilarious that they're getting a taste of their own medicine.
The problem is that the actual money you are taking in from.the stipend would not be able to cover the tax burden you are required to pay. At this point this would require you to go take out loans to pay the taxes that you owe which seems a bit messed up.
I am all for everyone paying more taxes, but I don't like the idea of anyone having to incur debt just to survive. Obviously some of this problem stems from universities not paying grad students enough, and I imagine that there will be some overhauls to what universities do in an effort to retain and recruit grad students. Regardless, I don't envision this going so hot for the U.S. in the near future in regards to technology and scientific advances.
Or the school could pay it. They could also lower their "sticker price" tuition since most of their grad students don't pay it, but then they couldn't siphon as much off grants.
Strangely, nobody seems to even mention that the schools should foot the bill and stop treating grad students as indentured servants.
The school.should totally foot the bill and students and admin should come together to work out some sort of deal. I just don't envision the administration will be picking up their feet too quickly on this one.
Either way, if they refuse to, I'd be much more angry at the school's administration than at Congress for the tax bill. It seems like the ratio of "fuck republicans" to "fuck greedy school admins" is around 100:1, despite the fact that the school admins are the ones paying them pitiful wages to begin with.
Oh please. This isn't the end of the world. If the universities are really concerned about enrollment or student quality of life from this they can always restructure the tuition waver as a scholarship, and move the requirements for the tuition waver on top of the stipend benefits. That would be 100% legit and go back to how things are now. You just couldn't force people to work for the tuition. I mean. I still think it's fucking stupid. But this place isn't about debating the ideas. It's about watching other people REEEE.
This is most certainly not nearly as catastrophic as many are making it out to be. I just think that it's going to be painful for the next few years for academia in the U.S. at large, no matter what your position is in it.
I do agree that the burden should really fall on the university to work around this, but most university administration doesn't seem to care that much about grad students.
yeah bro I'm sure the engineering grad students I know that are gonna make six figures as soon as they graduate are totally not interested in the money at all
For the most part, I'm betting most of those grad students bitching on LSC aren't engineering students. I'm guessing they have highly impractical degrees tied to philosophies that are meaningless outside of the ivory tower or the dark corners of the internet. Like interpretive TERF studies, that kinda thing.
Proud commie workers getting mad that intelligentsia will get shafted? But that's exactly what they want, ya'll red fuckers should thank trumpetinho. More workers, less social parasites, more wealth to redistribute equally to those of need.
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1 supergauntlet 2017-11-20
tankies gonna tank bro
1 VPEKD 2017-11-20
they're not even tankies tbh. most of them are liberals that just want free college. that's why they unironically deserve to be shot
1 ATissu 2017-11-20
REEEEE people want education? How dare they
1 cavides 2017-11-20
Yeah, the world really needs the additional gender studies' majors.
1 ATissu 2017-11-20
Actually you are right, free education but not for commies
1 grungebot5000 2017-11-20
it's LSC not TrollX. they're all stemlords and NEETs
1 jubbergun 2017-11-20
I think the point was more that they wanted something for nothing, not that the thing they wanted didn't make any sense.
1 0xnull 2017-11-20
They don't get something for nothing. They're doing research and in many cases helping teach for the university. In return they're being compensated with tuition and a living stipend.
1 TheEhSteve 2017-11-20
REEEEE people object to unnecessary middle class subsidies for already economically rewarding life choices
1 0xnull 2017-11-20
Thank God we put that extra cushion in the budget to give the real over burdened class a break - jet owners.
1 bjt23 2017-11-20
In that automod post at the top it says liberals are literally Hitler so they're in the wrong place.
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-11-20
>commietards
>intelligentsia
Lmao
1 Ayylmao11023 2017-11-20
anyone notice this past week all the political bullshit r/science has been pushing? Had to unsub and block it, shit was getting mad annoying.
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2017-11-20
Getting pissed at raised taxes that aren't offering any real benefit to the middle to lower classes while the rich and corporations get permanent tax breaks is pretty reasonable tbh.
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1 Pistachiothenut 2017-11-20
this
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
He is a fag and also wrong.
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-11-20
how does raising taxes ever benefit any "class" other than the government. Taxing the rich doesn't benefit the poor unless that money is used to help the poor. This tax seems like an attempt to stem the inflating bubble of tuition costs caused by the government backing student loans allowing universities to raise tuitions with no immediate impact because lol 18 year olds are good at making life decisions.
1 Redactor0 2017-11-20
18 year olds know a hell of a fucking lot more than you do about the patriarchy, systems of oppression, and genderfluidity. Of course they're going to know more about making better life decisions too.
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
You've just made your first good post. I am proud of you.
1 Redactor0 2017-11-20
Oh come now. Just because I usually use more subtlety when calling out SJWs doesn't mean they're not good posts.
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
I am too stupid for subtlety. I need you to blast it all over my face.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-11-20
This is your brain off of propaganda
1 jubbergun 2017-11-20
As I understand it, the rich aren't getting a tax cut and the cuts for the "middle class" and below aren't that big. Corporations are going to get tax breaks, but that's good if you understand economics, because corporations don't really pay taxes. Corporations build the cost of any tax into the price of the product and pass it on to the consumer. That would be you. When politicians say "corporations aren't paying their fair share" what they really mean is that you need to pay more for every good and/or service you purchase.
In any case, /r/LateStageCapitalism is only pissed because they think their taxes are going to go up or they're losing perks and benefits. If you quit taxing the rich altogether they wouldn't care so long as you gave them something fabulous, too. Until shitty college kids who expect free stuff start voting they should expect politicians to put the needs of people who actually vote ahead of their own.
1 Sebaceous_Sebacious 2017-11-20
Bawwwww
1 stevemisor 2017-11-20
I remember people bitching that the "US saved itself" after the market crashes in the late 00s
There are people who think nations and societies should let themselves collapse so they can build something "better".
I am sure that the poster and their family will survive the following decades of strife that would follow and they would surely be part of the new hierarchy
Surely
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
Do not become addicted to water!
1 glmox 2017-11-20
i mean it would be pretty fun if the government collapsed, my dad might finally stop getting on my case about smoking weed in the bathroom
1 rewind45 2017-11-20
Wait, aren't Republicans the onea who are all about lowering taxes?
1 atsteak 2017-11-20
Yeah but they have to balance the budget. So to pay for tax cuts for the rich they're raising taxes on graduate students, universities (taxing endowments), blue staters (removing state income tax deduction), etc
1 Redactor0 2017-11-20
Uh huh. If this tax bill gets passed, let's how well it balances the budget in a few years.
1 jubbergun 2017-11-20
What does it matter? The budget hasn't been balanced at any time during my life and I'm old. We've run a deficit for as long as I can remember and we're 20 Trillion in debt. They aren't going to stop digging the hole, so they might as well dig it faster.
1 Redactor0 2017-11-20
That might make sense if the Republicans ran on an accelerationist "we run up the deficit and fuck children in order to blow up the country" platform, but they don't.
1 froibo 2017-11-20
Brilliant. So you want to balance the budget by discouraging people to make more money by going to school, so they can make more money. That will surely work out well.
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
"Raise taxes on the rich!"
raises taxes on the rich
"I didn't mean me, I meant the other rich REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
1 im-a-koala 2017-11-20
That was /r/fi in a nutshell.
1 Sebaceous_Sebacious 2017-11-20
Stop, my penis can only get so hard
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-11-20
lol all the college students criticizing people for wanting lower taxes and clamoring for higher taxes melting down when THEIR taxes get raised. plus im pretty sure this is only changing it to taxable income, so if they are still poor like they claim it probably wont even cost them that much
>tfw my instate tuition at a public university is only 8k so that combined with scholarships and ga stipends means my tax rate will still be retardedly low.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
The U.S. is pathetic when it comes to funding of research and development. If we devoted 3% of what we currently use to fund more research programs in this country, we would be far better off.
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-11-20
They're 11th in the world. I would not consider that "pathetic".
1 pizzashill 2017-11-20
I'll let papa Sagan take this one:
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-11-20
Do you have any proof this only happens in the US? For example, I am pretty sure a big chunk of Israeli research is military-oriented.
Also, haven't the Americans taken back the lead for semiconductor technologies?
1 pizzashill 2017-11-20
Who said it only happens in the US? That doesn't make it ok, or good, or in any way acceptable.
I think you either didn't read what you were pasted or completely missed the point.
1 Velxon 2017-11-20
Who cares
1 geraldodelrivero 2017-11-20
nobody wants to read your massive blue wall of text
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
Not really.
1 Ennui2778 2017-11-20
Lmao gay.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
It's pathetic considering that we're the largest economy.
1 SuperObviousShill 2017-11-20
Let's also not forget FIRST by actual dollars spent. 70 billion dollars more than china.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-11-20
The US is number one when it comes to most areas of research and development.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
I specifically said "funding" for a reason. If we shifted a fraction of our spending on the money pits that are social programs and military spending into R&D (non-military in particular), we could blow the rest of the world away.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-11-20
The millitary is a large part of why the US has technological supremacy. And unlike academic science, millitary science isn't published.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
Yes, but concentrating most of the R&D budget to military pursuits is unwise. Striking a balance between military and civilian research is important because civilians can think in ways that the military cannot. Civilians are also free to explore a wider range of research while the military is constrained by the applicability of their research.
I would venture to guess that a large majority of the U.S. R&D budget is probably devoted to military developments.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-11-20
That is true, but that doesn't support your original statement that the US is pathetic when it comes to funding of research and development. They fund as much as they need to remain well ahead of the rest, and they do. They might be able to tone down on millitary expenses if they didn't also have to prop up NATO for all the yuropoors.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-11-20
The U.S. is not well ahead of the rest, though. China is quickly catching up in many fields, particular machine learning. We've been too arrogant and it's going to bite us in the ass.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-11-20
DoD research is a decade ahead of universities tho.
And I doubt Universities will stay competitive if they don't raise stipends.
1 0xnull 2017-11-20
Public and private entities sponsor university research, the Department of Defense included.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-11-20
I'm well aware, but the top-spec research is mainly done on bases afaik.
The odd thing is, NIH and NSF still give out grants of a certain size for grad students. So unless they increase the stipend, it'd be better to get paid more by the university (assuming they paid more) than get a NSF grant.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-11-20
Humpf! Well maybe my doctoral thesis on Trobriander ceremonial cock-rings will be better appreciated by a European institute of higher learning.
1 ATissu 2017-11-20
"I'll never abandon lady science. I'll just dive deeper into the pit of debt and ultimately perish in the coming revolution, fist in air. Eat the rich."
HAHAHAHAHA having a fucking revolution as your only hope to get out of debt
1 bjt23 2017-11-20
Have you talked to a millenial lately? They're all commies. I'm gonna die in the revolution too, just on the capitalist side.
1 GhostFaceShiller 2017-11-20
The capitalists will win. The commies can't afford guns or helicopter gunships.
1 bjt23 2017-11-20
Half of them hate guns so yeah probably. They might overwhelm us with pure numbers eventually though. Also I've noticed rich capitalists aren't too hot on guns either. The private high school the size of a small college near me has no rifle range while the public school in the "right to farm" community does.
1 ATissu 2017-11-20
Winguck GTFO pls
1 BigLordShiggot 2017-11-20
Oh no, I am not being incentivized to be a professional student forever! This will have dire consequences for the oppression industry.
1 glmox 2017-11-20
wew fucking laddie
1 snallygaster 2017-11-20
It's kinda true...grad students literally pay to work, and any stipend they get from being an RA or TA is usually poverty wages. It's a fuckin pyramid scheme that you willingly opt into to ~widen the pool of knowledge for the good of mankind~
1 Mayor_of_tittycity 2017-11-20
It's not true in this context. The bill would treat tuition waivers as income, which would increase their overall tax burden. So the people it would apply to are the people who aren't paying for school.
1 0xnull 2017-11-20
What's hypocritical about that?
1 Mayor_of_tittycity 2017-11-20
Communist/socialists crying about taxes only when it affects them?
1 0xnull 2017-11-20
Maybe I'm not seeing it because I think it's a stupid thing to change the rules on
1 Mayor_of_tittycity 2017-11-20
I think it's stupid too. I haven't really seen a legit justification for it yet. But I also find it fucking hilarious that they're getting a taste of their own medicine.
1 grungebot5000 2017-11-20
well, when it affects only them?
1 Mayor_of_tittycity 2017-11-20
Come on guys. What does it matter? It only affects less than 0.5% of poeple! /s
1 grungebot5000 2017-11-20
i don't think LSC tends to be very receptive to appeals to majority
1 appetite4pierogies 2017-11-20
Lol at drooling reactionaries who buy the Fox News garbage that it is Communists trying to raise your taxes. Those are just regular liberals.
1 Heydammit 2017-11-20
The problem is that the actual money you are taking in from.the stipend would not be able to cover the tax burden you are required to pay. At this point this would require you to go take out loans to pay the taxes that you owe which seems a bit messed up.
I am all for everyone paying more taxes, but I don't like the idea of anyone having to incur debt just to survive. Obviously some of this problem stems from universities not paying grad students enough, and I imagine that there will be some overhauls to what universities do in an effort to retain and recruit grad students. Regardless, I don't envision this going so hot for the U.S. in the near future in regards to technology and scientific advances.
1 im-a-koala 2017-11-20
Or the school could pay it. They could also lower their "sticker price" tuition since most of their grad students don't pay it, but then they couldn't siphon as much off grants.
Strangely, nobody seems to even mention that the schools should foot the bill and stop treating grad students as indentured servants.
1 Heydammit 2017-11-20
The school.should totally foot the bill and students and admin should come together to work out some sort of deal. I just don't envision the administration will be picking up their feet too quickly on this one.
1 im-a-koala 2017-11-20
The school could pay their grad students more without getting Trump's permission.
1 Heydammit 2017-11-20
Not the administration of the country, I mean the administration of the school.
1 Heydammit 2017-11-20
Right, but I am talking about the administration that runs the school, not the country.
1 im-a-koala 2017-11-20
Ah, I read that wrong.
Either way, if they refuse to, I'd be much more angry at the school's administration than at Congress for the tax bill. It seems like the ratio of "fuck republicans" to "fuck greedy school admins" is around 100:1, despite the fact that the school admins are the ones paying them pitiful wages to begin with.
1 Mayor_of_tittycity 2017-11-20
Oh please. This isn't the end of the world. If the universities are really concerned about enrollment or student quality of life from this they can always restructure the tuition waver as a scholarship, and move the requirements for the tuition waver on top of the stipend benefits. That would be 100% legit and go back to how things are now. You just couldn't force people to work for the tuition. I mean. I still think it's fucking stupid. But this place isn't about debating the ideas. It's about watching other people REEEE.
1 Heydammit 2017-11-20
This is most certainly not nearly as catastrophic as many are making it out to be. I just think that it's going to be painful for the next few years for academia in the U.S. at large, no matter what your position is in it.
I do agree that the burden should really fall on the university to work around this, but most university administration doesn't seem to care that much about grad students.
But yes, please think of the bussy.
1 nanonan 2017-11-20
Their income would be 40K, just because they are dumb enough to fork half of it over doesn't make it not their income.
1 supergauntlet 2017-11-20
yeah bro I'm sure the engineering grad students I know that are gonna make six figures as soon as they graduate are totally not interested in the money at all
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2017-11-20
"I am so humble because I am smart and will make more money than you"
1 bjt23 2017-11-20
For the most part, I'm betting most of those grad students bitching on LSC aren't engineering students. I'm guessing they have highly impractical degrees tied to philosophies that are meaningless outside of the ivory tower or the dark corners of the internet. Like interpretive TERF studies, that kinda thing.
1 quinotauri 2017-11-20
Proud commie workers getting mad that intelligentsia will get shafted? But that's exactly what they want, ya'll red fuckers should thank trumpetinho. More workers, less social parasites, more wealth to redistribute equally to those of need.