"There's this new paradigm in "intersectional" studies that racism is only a problem when the more powerful group displays it. When the more oppressed group does it then it's just symptom of their oppression.." [+75] • r/ShitRedditSays

97  2017-11-24 by BigLordShiggot

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/u/GentleDementia Racism by definition means discrimination against other races, and that's the definition people use. Some people with bullshit degrees try to change it to justify their own bigotry without appearing hypocritical, but that doesn't apply to the way the word is commonly used.

It's almost as if people without power have no power to negatively impact the lives of the group they don't like.

/u/in_a_silentway this comment just screams "i grew up in a gated community" and i pray that you never reproduce.

No one is talking about the dictionary definition you fucking neckbread. I was explaining the reason why racism without power isn't a problem.

I was explaining the reason why racism without power isn't a problem.

So if I (a brown guy) were to stab you to death because i hate your race, then it wouldn't be a problem?

He killed a single person and will get the book thrown at him in court. Now imagine the damage he could do if he was the head of the police department, a judge, mayor, etc.

He killed a single person and will get the book thrown at him in court. Now imagine the damage he could do if he was the head of the police department, a judge, mayor, etc.

Or if he got a gun and shot like 50 people in a gay club, or if he stole a truck and ran over 80 people, or if he hijacked an aircraft and flew it through a tower, etc. Also this implies that only whites can be mayors/officers which is just retarded.

I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you you are clearly not playing with a full deck of cards.

Just focus on one thing at a time. For example, just respond to this statement first:

Also this implies that only whites can be mayors/officers which is just retarded.

How can you convince me that this is indeed not retarded?

Classic SRS.

Can we get /u/thereasontrumpwon in here to point out the reason Trump won?

boo

snapshill quote!

it's true, not a single spade in the deck

you are clearly not playing with a full deck of cards

I can't believe you would resort to such blatant ableism.

I love you and I love this comment.

Or if he got a gun and shot like 50 people in a gay club, or if he stole a truck and ran over 80 people, or if he hijacked an aircraft and flew it through a tower, etc

All of those people would be considered "white" according to the US census.

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

makes ya wonder huh?

Also this implies that only whites can be mayors/officers which is just retarded.

Police departments in the US are disproportiantely white

So are politicians

All of those people would be considered "white" according to the US census. I don't live in the US, so i don't really care. Back at home, we talked about how whites are degenerate all the time, and what i heard from exmuslims in the US, they generally despise whites too. Besides, lefties are more than willing to excuse muslims for being a minority when possible.

I really don't get why you're so willing to die on the hill that is Islam, but if you want your throat cut, then go ahead.

Back at home, we talked about how whites are degenerate all the time, and what i heard from exmuslims in the US, they generally despise whites too.

That’s hilariously hypocritical considering how many of them want to be white and worship Western beauty standards. GG Arabs

Pakistanis are not Arabs.

Do spray tans make Brazilians any less degenerate?

Yeah it really is. I don't want to be white though, so i roll around in the dirt.

we talked about how whites are degenerate all the time

With all our advanced tech and science and ability to create the best nations in the world. I guess I'd be jealous too...

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

makes ya wonder huh?

... So then you agree that Islamophobia is not a form of racism?

Are you genuinely mentally challenged? Please use whatever little brain cells you have left after your glue huffing addiction to think a little bit before posting something as stupid as this again. Thanks and have a nice evening.

Well this is snappy material

I like how you dodged the question. You SJW types are some real slime balls lmao

Thank god his son was killed by a black man. Imagine the trauma he'd be feeling if it was a mayor that killed him!

Answer the question, mayo.

He killed a single person and will get the book thrown at him in court.

Some good that does his victim.

Like Mugabe or Cosby?

Are you genuinely mentally challenged? Please use whatever little brain cells you have left after your glue huffing addiction to think a little bit before posting something as stupid as this again. Thanks and have a nice evening.

You don’t think there are cops judges and mayors in the US that aren’t white?

Are you erasing the lived experience of all the brown and black people who hold positions of power? It sounds like you just called Obama a honky. If Obama said "ok we're rounding up the white people and putting them in camps" that wouldn't be a racism problem to you?

So if I (a brown guy) were to stab you to death

/r/AsABlackMan

You can go back months and see that i'm pretty active in /r/exmuslim and openly said numerous times that my ethnicity is Arab.

Then again, anyone who doesn't fit the narrative is automatically an uncle tom, huh?

You can go back months and see that i'm pretty active in /r/exmuslim and openly said numerous times that my ethnicity is Arab.

Mmm yeah, because you said something on the internet it must be true! Going by that logic I'm sure all the accounts on t_d which claim to be trans black lesbian muslim women (while posting with a Russian flair) are totes legit.

Then again, anyone who doesn't fit the narrative is automatically an uncle tom, huh?

People like Ben Carson who belong to an oppressed minority yet vote against their self interests in favor of "looking better" in the eyes of white people who will still talk shit about them behind closed doors, are in fact, Uncle Toms. You're goddamn right.

Mmm yeah, because you said something on the internet it must be true! Going by that logic I'm sure all the accounts on t_d which claim to be trans black lesbian muslim women (while posting with a Russian flair) are totes legit. Yeah bro, i'm totally keeping up a facade for an entire year. Either you're extremely paranoid, or you just have to face the fact that brown people don't really give a fuck about your political beliefs as much as you do. Especially when it comes to homosexuals and trannies.

People like Ben Carson who belong to an oppressed minority yet vote against their self interests in favor of "looking better" in the eyes of white people who will still talk shit about them behind closed doors, are in fact, Uncle Toms. You're goddamn right.

Considering how the left has this weird obsession with Islam (against their own interests) and Sunnah dictates that i should die for being an apostate, i'm not sure how you could possibly think that the left has my best interests at heart. Of course, white leftists always know better than minorities what "their best interests" truly are.

The left doesn’t want shariah law, they’re pretty secular, they just don’t want Muslims getting the shit end of the stick. Also they have a knee jerk defense of them because they see them as the modern put upon class.

We are faced with two choices here:

A. He's been working for months to troll you

B. He is who he says he is.

Based on the fact that no one cares enough about you to try to trick you like that, I'd say we should go with option b.

People like Ben Carson who belong to an oppressed minority yet vote against their self interests in favor of "looking better" in the eyes of white people who will still talk shit about them behind closed doors, are in fact, Uncle Toms. You're goddamn right.

This is bald-faced racism. It presumes that all black people have similar interests, implying that they all have similar socioeconomic positions (because Ben Carson couldn't have possibly earned his money on his own). Furthermore, it erases all people of color who differ ideologically from the median of their ethnicity. Get out of your room, get out of your house, walk in a straight direction for a while, and apologize to the first black man you see.

walk in a straight direction for a while, and apologize to the first black man you see Dude, the way he talks, he might die of exhaustion first.

Uncle Tom is a racial slur.

Right now, you are a white person using slurs against distinguished minority figures because they're not behaving the way your predominantly white community thinks they should.

you're in the right African-Americans have had to deal with fellow group members supporting institutional racism for a long time.

dont call them uncle toms though

Or, and this is crazy, not everyone with black skin has to identify as an oppressed African-American.

individuals like carson are in whats called the pre-encounter stage of their identity development.

You people are in a cult.

What do you mean, you people?

incels, of course.

People like Ben Carson who belong to an oppressed minority yet vote against their self interests in favor of "looking better" in the eyes of white people who will still talk shit about them behind closed doors, are in fact, Uncle Toms. You're goddamn right.

You're unironically calling people race traitors?

You are not even the first person this week he demanded proof of for whiteness while being white as fuck himself.

So... you are an American minority that belittles and undermines the struggles of other minorities?

This faggot posts on r/blackfellas lol

you are an American

Pretty sure he’s not, actually.

According to the US Census Bureau, you're actually a mayo:

The U.S. Census Bureau must adhere to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) standards on race and ethnicity which guide the Census Bureau in classifying written responses to the race question:

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

I see you are still at it!

Lame ass deflection, answer the question.

Read through my post history, m8. I post in /r/exmuslim and call myself a Pakistani, and have even typed things in Urdu and provided evidence that I'm a Pakistani living in F-7/1, Islamabad shitposting here via PTCL internet. Also, nice to see a fellow apostate, /u/Ultrashitpost.

Racism without power is a problem because it means we can't kill all those fucking niggers shitting up civilisation, the gene pool and the safety of anyone wanting to live a peaceful life.

wew

Couldn't think of a good way to keep yourself safe? I hear buckshot to the dome works wonders

racism without power isn't a problem.

You people really are hateful scum.

No one is talking about the dictionary definition you fucking neckbread. I was explaining the reason why racism without power isn't a problem.

The nice thing to power is that everyone has it, in some form or another.

> justifiably reject shitty dictionary definition

> propose new concept

> fail to justify that concept

Nice philosophy friend

Gets called out on his racism.

Calls people race traitors.

Says that black people who don't agree with the opinions of white saviours like himself are Uncle Toms.

.اپ اپنے پاوں پر ہد کلهآری مار رہے ہیں*

how about you try not raping anyone? then you won't have to excuse it afterwards with these weird hypocritical theories

Racism is a good thing

Stop downvoting the lolcows you hyper autismos

Stop downvoting the lolcows. That's the real racism here.

If racism without power isn’t a problem then that means a white guy can go to Africa and start calling people niggers and tar babies and you’d be totally fine with it right?

Whites hold power all over the world thank to colonialism and the dominance of western media and markets. For instance in south america being white is seen as being more attractive, richer or succesfull.

I call bullshit, that just sounds like a rationale made up so it’s never racist to hate on whitey.

You can call it racism, but then you have to understand that racism against a minority is a much more serious issue than racism against whites.

You’re basing that off the incorrect assumption that whites have power everywhere.

And white people are the minority in a lot of places

Watch this.

Even under that “alternate” (read bogus) definition white people are still the minority in plenty of places. And they are/were oppressed by majority governments made up of other races.

Whites hold power all over the world thank to colonialism

The fact that you're too dumb to do it helps too.

You're in the right, these people just want others to be coupable in their discrimination if the people who they discriminate against developed animosity of them from it.

Yea, pretty much the reason why I am not going to waste my time arguing with them. It is apparent what kind of people they are.

You are objectively wrong.

Please ask any ethicist if racism without power, or prejudice without power, or whatever the fuck you want to call a minority hating a majority, is immoral.

Ask them, and the most you will get in the favor of your position is that is more understandable than the reverse situation, but is still clearly immoral under any possible ethical theory, including meme ones like consequentialism.

So Asians getting robbed disproportionally by Basketball and Taco Americans is not a problem, or it is because Basketball and Taco have more power than Asians?

I am a Pakistani. Let's suppose that I was racist towards whites. Would that be an issue? If you do not think it will, I'm sorry to say that you're a fucking racist.

Would you consider those Chicago blacks who kidnapped and tortured that mentally disabled white guy and called him racial slurs weren't being racist in a problematic manner? Would you say that they had no power?

In many African nations, such as South Africa and Zimbabwe, whites are discriminated against. Many of them live in abject poverty. They hold legal rights lesser than the blacks, and violence against and the seizure of property from them is encouraged. Would you consider that to be a problem? If not, you're a fucking racist.

Furthermore, nice backtracking, m8. If what you really meant was racism without power, then why didn't you fucking say so instead of trying to redefine it, you fucking slimy racist?

You should ask yourself why you guys spend so much time trying to redefine sexism/racism to make it seem as if you aren't racist/sexist while saying very clearly racist/sexist things.

This isn't the '50s anymore, the US just had a black president, it's absurd to suggest no one exercises meaningful power over others unless they fit into a particular position within historic American racial hierarchies. You're either an apologist for PoC (porkies of color) who's trying to obscure real (that is, material) power relations with some theory of collective "racial" power, or you don't know what power is in the first place; either way, I have no interest in accepting your transparently self-serving justifications.

So antisemitism isnt a problem? At least we have some common ground

And who has no power? A larger man can beat the hell out of you. He has the power regardless of what race either one of you is. That big dude with all the power over you can absolutely hate you because of your race.

Socioeconomic status is very clearly irrelevant.

u/VoteRonaldRayGun "they're just tossing random words together" that's basically the social sciences and gender studies in a nutshell. Who knew you were this woke on the social sciences

mmm, yeah, pretty easy to discount areas of studies you're ignorant about.

Just like my redneck uncle told me at Thanksgiving yesterday that I'm "getting paid too much for fiddling around on a computer all day" ie. being a programmer. Apparently construction workers like him are doing "real, honest work".

Yeah cause I don't have a stem degree ,idiot. You don't need to be a construction worker to realize the entire field is cancer, I particularly like the second link it's hilarious

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/

Imma seriouspost a minute.

With regards to that first article, as a professional statistician, it's honestly because social scientists are shitty statisticians and refuse our help. In grad school we had lots of presentations of papers from other departments and stuff, and so often from Psychology and Sociology it was bad. Sooooooo bad. Just like -- like they googled a wikipedia page for statistical methods and only read half of the summary up top. I've read so many papers -- oh my goodness it's just terrible.

The worst part is, 75% of the time we don't even know what they did! They don't actually publish their methods! They'll put a line in of like, "We did a logistic regression with these parameters" and leave it at that, and dive right into this complex interpretation. They don't publish their methods, no one checks their methods, no one cares about their methods apparently. So it's all shit, and wrong. Yeah they tend to take a single stats course in their graduate programs, but it's more to get the lingo of what's going on and do basic shit on their own. It'd be like me trying to build a bridge after taking Physics 1 and learning F=MA.

Psychology and Sociology and these Social Sciences actually are pretty legitimate fields. It's just the people doing shit in them are idiots who refuse help from experts in other fields.

no one cares about their methods

Yeah, because a satellite is never going to crash into the Moon due to a sociology student miscalculating the level of toxic masculinity in NASCAR.

Yeah well, I won't get a fuckin' grant cause these jackwagons get all the money. Damn right I'm salty.

You are underestimating just how pernicious the patriarchy is.

How pernicious is it?

Nearly as bad as the Illuminati, but with more bacon.

Jews without the Jews? That doesn't sound evil.

Like... five pernicious. Maybe even six.

Like... five pernicious. Maybe even six.

This is such a problematic comment, and frankly, also gross.

Imma seriouspost a minute.

Imma recommend you keep yourself safe fan

Every single day I stare longingly at the rope I have pre-tied, and every day I get closer. Only the prospect of good bussy keeps me alive.

So of course none of their experiments can be replicated, because the models and methods their conclusions were based on were faultily applied....

Psychology and Sociology and these Social Sciences actually are pretty legitimate fields.

Uhhh. That....does not follow. If they can't test their ideas, how could anyone show that the ideas are legitimate? Isn't that, like, the foundation of scientific legitimacy?

Uhhh. That....does not follow. If they can't test their ideas, how could anyone show that the ideas are legitimate? Isn't that, like, the foundation of scientific legitimacy?

You misread. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with applying statistical models to psychological and sociological situations, or social science areas in general. The issue is that the people who are doing these studies are not statisticians, and are applying the wrong models in places they do not belong, or use the correct model but interpret it incorrectly or break basic assumptions or even just simply code it incorrectly, and that leads to faulty analysis.

They can test their ideas just fine. The issue of replication within these communities is almost entirely due to when it's non-trained statisticians applying statistical techniques and pulling mathematical analysis out of their asses. When these papers have a statistician on staff that does their modeling, and they actually listen to them, their papers turn out pretty well. Remember -- something like 50% of these papers can't be replicated, but the other half can, the other half that are actually doing things right.

The issue is that the people who are doing these studies are not statisticians, and are applying the wrong models in places they do not belong, or use the correct model but interpret it incorrectly or break basic assumptions or even just simply code it incorrectly, and that leads to faulty analysis.

When these papers have a statistician on staff that does their modeling, and they actually listen to them, their papers turn out pretty well.

Can you give an example?

I read all that, thanks, you fuck face.

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Here's the whole article, if anyone actually wants to read it.

Yeah these imbecilic dullards are wholly ignorant of the intersectional dynamics of an oppressive power structure based upon white supremacy.

See, I just used a bunch of big words yet still managed to be fucking retarded. Studying social sciences is just polishing turds of wisdom.

Please refrain from using classist slurs like "redneck" and belittling construction workers, thanks

What are you some kind of Black Anality apologist?

Denying Black Anality is erasure of eroticized valuation of black bodies, very problematic.

Nussy must be respected

I think it's busy. Hard to tell with black people.

Programmers are paid too much, yes. They get large salaries for spending large chunks of their work days on reddit and outsourcing their work to StackExchange.

Hey, invest in my new startup that matches your personality with the sort of wine you should be buying.

How's [10 mil seem](Zimbabwe Dollars)?

Will it use machine learning?!?! Oh god, please say yes!

not as if prominent professionals in the field haven't made much worse criticisms

unfortunately DARPA says that the plan to resurrect Andreski as a cyborg, give him a license to kill and set him loose on a different campus each week is still ~5-10 years out

I really hope that’s my tax dollars at work tbh

TL:DR, Feels before reals.

mmm, yeah, pretty easy to discount areas of studies you're ignorant about.

I'm "ignorant" as regards phrenology. I still feel qualified to dismiss it, because it's bullshit.

redneck

Racism.

unless you're programming a dating app to get me even more bussy you are clearly wasting your time.

btw, is your uncle single? he sounds hot

Pretty easy for you to act like every criticism of dumbfuck ideologies that come out of ethnic studies is from racist rednecks... But it's actually coming from other people with graduate degrees from elite universities oftentimes in the social sciences as well.

thank you for noticing me senpai XD

it's sempai you incel

Are you ironically retarded?

Nothing ironic about it.

"Prejudice against entire groups is great! Hey, you guys ever think about why there's so much hostility when we talk about race issues? It makes equality really difficult to attain and I can't figure out why we haven't brought more people into our movement."

/u/GentleDementia

when feminists think of 'sexism' they don't think of sentencing disparity in favor of women, which is six times larger than the sentencing disparity in favor of whites.

if the justice system is racist, then it is six times more misandrist.

Well, duh.

imagine speaking with this much authority on something you clearly know nothing about

This, but extra-ironically.

I just wished people would stop shitting on social studies and started shitting on bad social studies.

I mean, it's hard to not shit on social science when they've let the crazies take over. They didn't even put up a fight, the crazies just walked in and took it over.

The only way to tell the difference would be data and testing. Oh well.

According to Calgary Anti Racism Education (CARED), "Racial Prejudice can be directed at white people (i.e. white people can't dance) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship of power."

Tell me you're trolling.

But it literally does not matter.

If certain demographic wants to use the word racism like that, that is their problem. The rest of the world will still use the word in a way, and that is fine.

Of course, calling racism or not doesnt change one inch the severity of the immorality in question. Is still wrong whatever you call it, and is still equally wrong.

TIL: The Nation of Islam, which is classified as a hate group by the ADL for their racist extremist views on racial superiority, isn't a hate group.

Mayocide now.

/u/IqtaanQalunaaurat dont you have some mouthwash or hand sanitizer to drink?

Kuyugiin avinnaq, qallunaauraq.

I dont speak chug

Wanna blanket?

You must have like one website you can read in your language. What was it like the first time you used the internet in a first world nation?

Well, after Reagan, the US didn't count any more, so I'll tell you when I do.