I feel like making a society where everyone has an equal right to the mud huts and dirt roads might not quite be as much of a paradise as they're trying to make it sound.
And that's even ignoring the fact that their community with no capacity for industry or even complex tool-making could be subjugated by a half-dozen people with guns and cars.
Now look. We've heard you. We're looking into the current mud shortage. And at this very moment, the jet is waiting to take me and the other members of the Politburo on a junket to Negril, Waikiki, and Phuket to ensure the continued supply of mud.
I feel like making a society where everyone has an equal right to the mud huts and dirt roads might not quite be as much of a paradise as they're trying to make it sound.
Unless you're a primitivist, obviously, as that's they're stated end goal. It's like the only technically possible forms of anarchism, which is why everyone hates it.
Europe was able to colonize the world due to its advanced weapons and transportation system so even if they create this dream utopia someone will show up and make them productive and improve the world at a global level
That illustration was funny because you can still spot shit that needs to be imported, like the solar panels, or the struts and glass for the geodesic domes. That user also claims that they live without technology, yet they post on raddle all day.
I'm sure once we reach our ecological utopia the cripples will just manage to also improve themselves and just walk everywhere. Everyone will need to do their part to improve our world.
Factories and workplaces perhaps are expired concepts. With respect to roads and house, for sure that the global intellect will be able to solve quite a lot of those problems.
Considering they somehow conclude that a society built around dirt roads and sailboats would somehow invent new, ecologically friendly housing materials, I have to assume that their plans for the "revolution" are similarly well thought-out.
To their credit, we already have housing material that's super ecologically friendly. It's just that it's horrible at everything else, like everything "green". I mean hey, there's nothing stopping them from making a clay hut in the middle of nowhere if they're so very concerned about mother gaia.
I like how that ziq guy talks about not needing things like roads, factories, imports, exports, art and cultural exchange (books, music, etc) but somehow thinks they will have the internet in their mudhuts. I am also doubting indoor plumbing or a sewage system is high on their list.
The idea of that this utopia's entire history and culture is based on digital data, which a bad weather pattern could remove access to, is rather humorous
Like the guy farther down who says we only need sail boats
They would take turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week. But all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major....
Some parts of rural Australia have really nice gravel roads, but they are nice because of an annual maintenance cycle with modern construction vehicles and road crews.
Of course when no-one has a functional vehicle more advanced than a wagon then I guess you don't need roads that are safe for high speed car travel.
There is nothing like embracing the eras that most of the world consider their dark ages
The city state eras are some of the lowest regarded eras due to things like sicknesses and famine being able to wipe-out entire societies and warband and raiders being at their most powerful
Anarcho-communism's followers are unmatched in their goalpost moving speed:
We need anarcho-communism because it's disgusting how in our capitalist society people starve while the rich get richer!
Okay, but in a model where the highest unit of governance is an individual commune you would be able to feed a lot less people and those people would go hungry a lot more often.
Well actually anarcho-primitivism is about freedom from your capitalist masters, not roads and fancy buildings and excel spreadsheets and trade and all your capitalist decadence!
Is it really more free if I have to live with my commune the rest of my life, can't have money or trade, have to live as a primitivist? Who is enforcing all of this stuff?
Actually, anarcho primitivism is about saving the earth! You can't save the earth if you use metal, and capitalism uses metal and in anarchist societies we wouldn't use metal!
I understand it isn't as "dark" as we were previously lead to believe historically, but why would we ever want to go back to a time with no internet and no plumbing?
Yes, every nation has the resources to build their own solar panels and wind turbines. And if you need to travel more than 20 miles you can just take the skytram, which travels at a blazing 3 mph.
Obviously in anarchism they would be more efficient since we would threaten the smarties with execution for being counterrevolutionaries because reasons.
The socialist artist doesn’t know jack about wind turbines. Turbines in a city would make a lot of noise and cause hearing damage to people. Also they could fall over.
And they are COLOSSAL. It takes a lot of time, money, steel, and fuel for just one. Multiply that by 1000 and suddenly your hippy utopia with no paved roads becomes a big hassle.
What that picture mostly reminds me, is a "cozy post-apocalypse" scene after the rebuilding has begun but infrastructure is still bad shape, supply chains are shot so there's no fuel or materials and one has to make do with whatever they can come up with, there's low demand for electricity since most devices have been destroyed and not replaced, and everyone is growing their own food because of supply issues.
Also IMO dirt streets in the middle of a city are a terrible idea, since you get dust or mud constantly depending on the weather and they don't last long, cobblestone would be much superior and long-lasting if one wants to eliminate asphalt/bitumen streets. Although I guess unpaved roads kinda fit the OP's vision given that everything else requires labour and a functional production chain...
Given that part of the road surface always ends up ground into dust which spreads all over, I wouldn't go for that since plastic pollution is already a huge issue all over.
So a given person could decide that a blowjob and a dramatic reading of When We Had Electricity was worth x labor vouchers, which in turn would affect other drama whores' prices or services. Isn't it easier to take already existing money and stamp NOT MONEY on it?
Supposedly because labor vouchers cannot be circulated like actual currency, but i don't see how you could enforce that since people can turn anything into a currency when times get dire.
How to kill off anarchist-communists: give them the society they asked for. You'll never witness wet noodle arms and tiny wrists biodegrade into worm food faster.
This is what destroyed the environment. We can make do without iron just fine, like plenty of cultures did for centuries.
Yes it was called the bronze age, before we could have sailboats, realistically plow fields, grinding meal, the spinning wheel. And the better quality of life allowed to spent on things like creating written language
Okay, you can tell this retard lives in a city, and has never actually had to walk, work, or move a large amount of resources over a dirt road.
That shit is bumpy and full of pot holes. When it rains the rain going to turn muddy and slippery. Your stuff can get stuck, and it slows you down quite a bit.
Paved roads are an absolute necessity for distribution and production arteries. You can not have a modern economy without them.
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1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-26
none of those work :/
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-11-26
I feel like making a society where everyone has an equal right to the mud huts and dirt roads might not quite be as much of a paradise as they're trying to make it sound.
And that's even ignoring the fact that their community with no capacity for industry or even complex tool-making could be subjugated by a half-dozen people with guns and cars.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-11-26
Now look. We've heard you. We're looking into the current mud shortage. And at this very moment, the jet is waiting to take me and the other members of the Politburo on a junket to Negril, Waikiki, and Phuket to ensure the continued supply of mud.
There will be no further questions.
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-11-26
Meanwhile, Bartertown is starting to look mighty good. A little less kumbaya, but they do have electricity.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-11-26
Plus, as it's run by a black woman, a little person, and a retard, it ticks all the diversity boxes.
1 pitterpatterwater 2017-11-26
Where's she getting the solar panels and glass from in her picture, not to mention the modern architectural techniques and building materials?
1 _narrows 2017-11-26
The Imaginarium, you fool
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
Bartertown would be a far better place to live than the reality those people would bring.
1 a_normal_human 2017-11-26
Unless you're a primitivist, obviously, as that's they're stated end goal. It's like the only technically possible forms of anarchism, which is why everyone hates it.
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-11-26
1 princessCuck 2017-11-26
1 youpostyoudie 2017-11-26
Why are y'all talking in loser-code?
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-11-26
Kys, please
1 youpostyoudie 2017-11-26
N'o, u.
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
Well look at the bright side
Europe was able to colonize the world due to its advanced weapons and transportation system so even if they create this dream utopia someone will show up and make them productive and improve the world at a global level
1 wisty 2017-11-26
It's OK, in their version of communism they'll have a hot latte-skinned woman in the foreground smelling a flower - https://i.imgur.com/9XwOuhRr.jpg
As long as that's your thing, and there's lots of greenery to hide the piles of skulls, it's all good.
1 DudeCat 2017-11-26
That illustration was funny because you can still spot shit that needs to be imported, like the solar panels, or the struts and glass for the geodesic domes. That user also claims that they live without technology, yet they post on raddle all day.
1 Awayfone 2017-11-26
Dont forget those huge wind turbines
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
What are rare earth minerals? Tools of the bourgeoisie?
1 Charles_Thunderpenis 2017-11-26
They seriously underestimate how huge and loud those things are. And how many it would take to power a city.
1 a_normal_human 2017-11-26
Also, where is the sewer system in that picture? Under the "road"? Or are some of those streets designated?
1 Thhueros 2017-11-26
It would turn into feudalism in about 2 days.
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-11-26
I like how Nowaydaddioh uses some utopian science fiction pic as his "model" for a better world, then condemns requiring "external forces".
1 lickedTators 2017-11-26
Also his model doesnt allow people who cant use bicycles to be "equal".
1 sex_tourism 2017-11-26
I'm sure once we reach our ecological utopia the cripples will just manage to also improve themselves and just walk everywhere. Everyone will need to do their part to improve our world.
1 lickedTators 2017-11-26
Thats true. Smart people will figure something out.
1 a_normal_human 2017-11-26
what did he mean by this?
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-11-26
"We don't know how to solve that problem, but we're certain someone else will figure that out once our anarchist utopia has emerged."
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
I guess unlike 90% of revolutions only the "wrong" types of intellectuals will die
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-11-26
Considering they somehow conclude that a society built around dirt roads and sailboats would somehow invent new, ecologically friendly housing materials, I have to assume that their plans for the "revolution" are similarly well thought-out.
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
I think they take the ole "Necessity is the mother of invention" a bit too literally
"If we take away all the food, than we will have to find a new way to invent new kinds"
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
Stalin tried that plan in the Ukraine.
Did not go well.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-11-26
Can I change my previous answer? 'Cause now I think they got baked and watched a bunch of Gilligan's Island when coming up with their Utopia.
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-11-26
To their credit, we already have housing material that's super ecologically friendly. It's just that it's horrible at everything else, like everything "green". I mean hey, there's nothing stopping them from making a clay hut in the middle of nowhere if they're so very concerned about mother gaia.
1 bareballzthebitch 2017-11-26
If you just kill everyone who wears glasses everything will be fine.
1 DeathBahamutXXX 2017-11-26
I like how that ziq guy talks about not needing things like roads, factories, imports, exports, art and cultural exchange (books, music, etc) but somehow thinks they will have the internet in their mudhuts. I am also doubting indoor plumbing or a sewage system is high on their list.
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
The idea of that this utopia's entire history and culture is based on digital data, which a bad weather pattern could remove access to, is rather humorous
Like the guy farther down who says we only need sail boats
1 Awayfone 2017-11-26
Sail boats that use no energy, so woe is you when no wind
1 FreeDory 2017-11-26
Sailboats in utopia are powered by collectivized black rowing teams.
1 Butch_Patterson 2017-11-26
From each according to their ability Jamal. You're strong, I'm weak. You row, I eat.
1 Queen_Arthur 2017-11-26
My favorite is the argument about exchanging culture, like books. The answer was the internet.
Which requires steel.
And many other things gotten solely through "racist" labor.
1 lickedTators 2017-11-26
Don't even get started on transoceanic cables, satellites, and fiberoptics.
1 headasplodes 2017-11-26
I doubt he could explain what this means
1 Merkin-Muffley 2017-11-26
They would take turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week. But all the decisions of that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major....
1 DrStalker 2017-11-26
I'm not sure if that's a serious answer or if you're quoting Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
1 200thacct 2017-11-26
Then you're a dumb fuck.
1 Trapsarntgay1 2017-11-26
It means his dad found his pot and now hes mad
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-11-26
IT'S NOT A PHASE DAD
1 menvaren 2017-11-26
Jesus Christ these people.
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
Central Africa is actually the most advanced region of the world
WHAT A TWIST
1 09f911029d7 2017-11-26
KANGZ N SHEEEIT, FAMALAM
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Somalia is the most advanced nation on the planet, a beacon of post-apocalyptic survival!
1 ilizabitch 2017-11-26
i want a list of which governments are replacing paved roads with gravel
1 lickedTators 2017-11-26
All the "governments" on that list are counties in rural areas that are switching less used (like 1 car a month) roads to gravel.
1 DrStalker 2017-11-26
Some parts of rural Australia have really nice gravel roads, but they are nice because of an annual maintenance cycle with modern construction vehicles and road crews.
Of course when no-one has a functional vehicle more advanced than a wagon then I guess you don't need roads that are safe for high speed car travel.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
That's exactly it. Unless you maintain gravel roads they'll turn into a mess of potholes and washouts.
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Even if you fill the potholes with shovels, the rain will still wash the repairs away.
I know from personal experience...
1 lickedTators 2017-11-26
You should try filling the potholes with gravel or tar instead of shovels.
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Exactly the ignorance I'd expect from a dirty capitalist, can't understand the might of a shovel covered pothole.
1 _narrows 2017-11-26
If everyone drives a DeLorean, you also don’t need roads
1 i_need_iron 2017-11-26
The site is a god damn gold mine for drama. Use a VPN for protection tho since I heard it might be run by the feds.
1 TinyJibble 2017-11-26
What would they bust you for though?
1 Trapsarntgay1 2017-11-26
>people
1 stevemisor 2017-11-26
There is nothing like embracing the eras that most of the world consider their dark ages
The city state eras are some of the lowest regarded eras due to things like sicknesses and famine being able to wipe-out entire societies and warband and raiders being at their most powerful
1 JesusIsQueen 2017-11-26
Anarcho-communism's followers are unmatched in their goalpost moving speed:
1 FreeDory 2017-11-26
Actually the 13th and 14th century city states are really interesting 🧐. Some researchers argue that we are actually headed back in that direction.
1 KyosBallerina 2017-11-26
...And we want that?
I understand it isn't as "dark" as we were previously lead to believe historically, but why would we ever want to go back to a time with no internet and no plumbing?
1 LadyVetinari 2017-11-26
Who do we ping? I'm confused and upset
1 i_need_iron 2017-11-26
I was told "ziq" is named "Nowaydaddioh" and that there is a LONG backstory here? So try /u/nowaydaddioh?
1 shallowm 2017-11-26
1 shitpost953 2017-11-26
ya this guy has a ton of alts but he's still referred to as nowaydaddioh... he has beef with /u/prince_kropotkin.
PK can you give us a quick rundown?
1 shallowm 2017-11-26
What are you doing on this 9-day old thread?
1 shitpost953 2017-11-26
oh good question.. I thought it was the new thread... I was snooping on i_need_iron to see if I could confirm who it is.
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-26
these people are at best mildly retarded. if not severely retarded.
1 blastiff 2017-11-26
Yes, every nation has the resources to build their own solar panels and wind turbines. And if you need to travel more than 20 miles you can just take the skytram, which travels at a blazing 3 mph.
1 FreeDory 2017-11-26
The sky tram doesn’t run on time btw. Usually 3 hours late
1 Singulaire 2017-11-26
What a coincidence, this is my idea of social anarchism, too.
1 Charles_Thunderpenis 2017-11-26
I like how there's a few solar panels wind turbines just peppered around as if that would produce jackshit for electricity.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
Obviously in anarchism they would be more efficient
since we would threaten the smarties with execution for being counterrevolutionariesbecause reasons.1 FreeDory 2017-11-26
The socialist artist doesn’t know jack about wind turbines. Turbines in a city would make a lot of noise and cause hearing damage to people. Also they could fall over.
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Wait, where are you getting hearing damage from? I've been next to a huge one, and the only noise it made was whoosh
1 Charles_Thunderpenis 2017-11-26
And they are COLOSSAL. It takes a lot of time, money, steel, and fuel for just one. Multiply that by 1000 and suddenly your hippy utopia with no paved roads becomes a big hassle.
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Don't need much electricity when there's nothing to use it!
Also, how does your poop get removed without plumbing?
1 Charles_Thunderpenis 2017-11-26
Who needs to remove poop when you're dead from cholera?
1 cat-gun 2017-11-26
Socialisms is nature's birth control.
1 takaci 2017-11-26
I...don't think this person has ever been sailing. You're lucky to be able to sail for 80% of the time
1 Feligris 2017-11-26
What that picture mostly reminds me, is a "cozy post-apocalypse" scene after the rebuilding has begun but infrastructure is still bad shape, supply chains are shot so there's no fuel or materials and one has to make do with whatever they can come up with, there's low demand for electricity since most devices have been destroyed and not replaced, and everyone is growing their own food because of supply issues.
Also IMO dirt streets in the middle of a city are a terrible idea, since you get dust or mud constantly depending on the weather and they don't last long, cobblestone would be much superior and long-lasting if one wants to eliminate asphalt/bitumen streets. Although I guess unpaved roads kinda fit the OP's vision given that everything else requires labour and a functional production chain...
1 Awayfone 2017-11-26
What about the plastic road concept as oppose to asphalt?
1 DickingBimbos247 2017-11-26
it's an anarchist utopia, why don't they just pave the streets with the cadavers of class traitors?
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
Cobblebone roads?
1 Feligris 2017-11-26
Given that part of the road surface always ends up ground into dust which spreads all over, I wouldn't go for that since plastic pollution is already a huge issue all over.
1 Talonek 2017-11-26
What a beautiful ancap Utopia!
1 Chicup 2017-11-26
My favorite bit was the ones saying they already do without such things....while posting in an online forum...
1 shallowm 2017-11-26
How is that different from money?
1 DistortedLines 2017-11-26
It's not, and many commies/anarcho-autists know that and therefore oppose it.
1 SlavophilesAnonymous 2017-11-26
Less fungible. If I remember correctly the commune would decide how you could use them.
1 quinotauri 2017-11-26
So a given person could decide that a blowjob and a dramatic reading of When We Had Electricity was worth x labor vouchers, which in turn would affect other drama whores' prices or services. Isn't it easier to take already existing money and stamp NOT MONEY on it?
1 TheSaddestPenguin 2017-11-26
Ah, so like company scrip. Much better.
1 Chancellor740 2017-11-26
But it's Company Scrip that the GOVERNMENT (ahem I mean the People) distribute, Comrade.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-11-26
Supposedly because labor vouchers cannot be circulated like actual currency, but i don't see how you could enforce that since people can turn anything into a currency when times get dire.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-11-26
Because they don't call it money.
1 TrailerParkBride 2017-11-26
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/159/254/278.png
1 DistortedLines 2017-11-26
Horse shoe theory wins again
1 Trapsarntgay1 2017-11-26
Wtf i love ancoms now
1 starship_litterbox 2017-11-26
How to kill off anarchist-communists: give them the society they asked for. You'll never witness wet noodle arms and tiny wrists biodegrade into worm food faster.
1 comebepc 2017-11-26
People like this are why we need mayocide
1 Mayo_Macerator 2017-11-26
FOR THE LOVE OF BUSSY, GET THIS KIND HUMAN SOME 🍞 BREAD!
THAT'S 67 MAYOS SPLATTERED ON SANDWICHES, 67 STEPS CLOSER TO COMPLETE MAYOCIDE!
At this rate, the white race will be finished in no time! DO YOUR PART, FOLKS!
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-11-26
god you're annoying
1 takaci 2017-11-26
That thread:
"We should all be forced to work for the common good, but people in Africa can only ever been seen as slaves"
1 Awayfone 2017-11-26
Yes it was called the bronze age, before we could have sailboats, realistically plow fields, grinding meal, the spinning wheel. And the better quality of life allowed to spent on things like creating written language
But yeah people did live through it
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-11-26
And the life expectancy, hoo boy was it low...
1 Jorgotten 2017-11-26
Does this cunt really want to go back to living in mud huts and shit? We don't need iron? These cunts are up there with otherkin in terms of delusion.
1 FreeDory 2017-11-26
Okay, you can tell this retard lives in a city, and has never actually had to walk, work, or move a large amount of resources over a dirt road.
That shit is bumpy and full of pot holes. When it rains the rain going to turn muddy and slippery. Your stuff can get stuck, and it slows you down quite a bit.
Paved roads are an absolute necessity for distribution and production arteries. You can not have a modern economy without them.
1 Awayfone 2017-11-26
They don't want a modern economy
1 Trapsarntgay1 2017-11-26
The one plus side to their retarded ideology is none of them would live longer than a couple of days under it.