More MakingAMurderer Drama

64  2017-12-01 by Popcorn_junkie

There's a series of subs dedicated to the Netflix true crime show Making a Murderer. For those who don't know the show involves a guy (Steven Avery) who was convicted of murder in 2005 and there's an ongoing court case about it with Avery's lawyer now trying to appeal.

They've divided themselves into factions one believing Avery is guilty ("guilters") the other believing he was framed ("truthers"). They've separated into multiple different subs at this point: /r/MakingaMurderer (neutral ground), /r/TickTockManitowoc (for the truthers), and /r/StevenAveryisGuilty (obviously for the guilters).

The truthers are trying to sleuth out who really did it and the guilters think the truthers are tinfoil hatters. They constantly bicker and make fun of each other to the point where their subs are on lockdown and they aren't allowed to mention the other subs by name or do username mentions anymore.

Today someone from the the guilter sub sent flowers to the judge in the appeal case because she rejected the appeal and thinks Avery is guilty or some shit. She had to reject the flowers because she can't accept gifts, write a letter notifying all the attorneys about it and she contacted the fucking sheriff.

In the ultimate irony some of the guilters think the truthers really sent the flowers to frame them.

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You probably don't get bussy because you're the type of guy who fucking nails his dick to a board

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This seems like good drama, but i am also too lazy to check it out

Let me summarize it for you.

  1. This creepy fat incel killed a chick.

  2. Creepy fat incels of Reddit saw a documentary about it and think he's innocent.

You fucking guilters are worse than ball earthers.

I am neither for or against the verdict.

COMMON GLOBEHEAD AND GLOBIE-SHILLS STRATEGIES AND LIES, AND GUIDELINES ON HOW TO COUNTER THEM

-Ad hominem and sarcasm: Any reply that makes fun or calls flat earthers "flattards" is a clear marker of a globehead (most likely a sci-fi fan) or a hired globie-shill. Anything that follows such words or insults is usually broad and general scientism slogans such as: "Heliocentricity predicts this and that", or "I can't believe anyone still believes in a flat earth in 2017" or "You people are truly ignorant and need an 'education'" or "someone didn't go to school", and my personal favorite which can be debunked with even a marginal knowledge of history or a quick google search: "People have known the earth is round/a globe for thousands of years" (sometimes they say 2-thousand years or 3-thousand years, all the way up to 5). Those comments/replies aren't worth your time and you can quickly search up a anti-globe earth meme (with pic) to dismantle them. -"Kids are smarter than you", or "My little son/daughter knows that the earth is a globe and orbits the sun", or "Someone wasn't paying attention in so-and-so grade". Those are close to ad hominem but don't really count as ad hominem and all you have to do is simply point out the fact that most kids believe anything they are "taught" (i.e. indoctrinated with) at school. Then quickly follow with the fact that school curricula are, and have been for a long time, controlled by the same people who want to prolong the globe deception. You can then quickly find a flat earth video explaining how that had worked historically and how it is even more in effect now what with "space propaganda" movies, media conglemerate logos and TV-brainwash. -"All educated people/everyone with a brain knows the earth is round/a globe/a ball" and variations thereof. That's a simple and clear-cut ad populum fallacy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum Merely one of the tactics and techniques used in spreading propaganda and disinformation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques -Poisoning the well/muddying the waters/disinformation: Simply a shill or globehead would pretend to be a flat earther and spew out a bunch of completely irrelevant/incredible nonsense to make all flat earthers seem as such. Or, they would say: "If you can believe the earth is flat, then you believe/would believe/should believe/shouldn't believe this and that [and then they refer to something that is a clear need for humanity or a pillar of technology]" All you have to know is that poisoning the well/muddying the waters/spreading disinformation is a common propaganda technique used by promoters and shills of scientism everywhere. The technique is touched upon a bit more here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well -They point out some bullcrap debunk video or something on metabunk: 1-Mick West is a known and proven shill and an explanation of that is available on youtube. 2-There is ALWAYS something off with their debunks, it's usually a little thing that has a large impact. The flaw is always in the premise, assumptions, or foundation of their debunks. Either they make a heliocentric assumption and claim that something in the video is a lie or "misunderstood" by the original poster of the video, or they claim to use mathematics but they start from a geometrical point that is oversimplified or even, at times,completely irrelevant to the actual parameters of the evidence presented in the video. Furthermore, I wouldn't wanna stoop to their level by creating a rebuttal template to their specific set of regurgitations, but the bulletpoints above are just guidelines to help recent discoverers of the flat earth truth or people who are still on the fence to recognize patterns of propaganda and fallacious arguments when they see them. Finally, kindly proceed to ask any NASA fans or globe shills one of the following questions if you want to stump them: A) Why did NASA lose/tape over the original "good-quality" tapes of the telemetry and footage of the supposed moon landing? (Evidenced by their own reports as well as associated press articles). B)Why did Don Pettit say: "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but uhhhh, we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again."? (Lmao) C) If you claim that the sun's rays are parallel for your Eratosthenes' method "proof" of the globe, then why is the shadow cast by the moon during an eclipse so small? Read their answers and laugh! Edit: Shills are really triggered... Edit 2: As a rule, shills are on the side with the larger resources. Think about that for a bit.

Argumentum ad populum

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

This type of argument is known by several names, including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy, vox populi, and in Latin as argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number"), fickle crowd syndrome, and consensus gentium ("agreement of the clans"). It is also the basis of a number of social phenomena, including communal reinforcement and the bandwagon effect. The Chinese proverb "three men make a tiger" concerns the same idea.


Propaganda techniques

Common media for transmitting propaganda messages include news reports, government reports, historical revision, junk science, books, leaflets, movies, social media, radio, television, and posters. Less common nowadays are letter post envelopes, examples of which have survived from the time of the American Civil War. (Connecticut Historical Society; Civil War Collections; Covers.) In the case of radio and television, propaganda can exist on news, current-affairs or talk-show segments, as advertising or public-service announcement "spots" or as long-running advertorials. Propaganda campaigns often follow a strategic transmission pattern to indoctrinate the target group.


Poisoning the well

Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a type of informal logical fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864). The origin of the term lies in well poisoning, an ancient wartime practice of pouring poison into sources of fresh water before an invading army, to diminish the attacking army's strength.


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Do you know where the flat earthers deem the world edges to be? Something I've been curious about for a short while

Here's a pic I could find of the "proposed" REEL TROO MAP of the world after polluting my browsing history by visiting the Flat Earth Society wiki

https://wiki.tfes.org/File:Map.png

Ah, cool!

I don't get why their FAQ doesn't feature the question of "what if you fly on a plan over the south pole" - at any rate, someone should definitely try that now.

I read somewhere once that they had highly trained snipers stationed around the edge. Since Flat Earthers are essentially LARPing a retarded fanfic consisting of content ripped from Dan Brown and Tom Clancy novels, there's no reason to not think there's perfectly preserved Gustav cannons lined up all around the edge. That or the snipers will just quickscope you out of the cockpit 40 miles away from the edge.

Yeah but aren't there any passenger planes flying over the area - or can't someone do it with their private plane?

Don't really know anything about the specifics in that area - I mean if it were actually the case that no civilian planes were ever flying over that area (at least not in large quantities), that'd actually make the tinfoil a bit exciting, wouldn't it; if planes fly around there all the time, on the other hand, then maybe not so much.

ripped from Dan Brown and Tom Clancy novels

I wonder if GoT has something to do with (this particular version of?) flat earthism becoming slightly more talked about in the recent past - that mystery about what lies beyond the ice wall etc. rings way too many bells.

Before that, the only flat earthers you'd hear about would be crazy muslims from some backwater rural ME area and that's about it.

The creepy fat guy was not an incel. He was accused of raping his niece so there's that.

Wasn't his nephew acquitted or some shit?

His confession was ruled inadmissible or something but he's still in prison. The prosecutors are fighting his release.

I'm a guiltruther.

I think he did it, but also that many of the police involved are probably corrupt and almost certainly retarded.

You're a guilter and you should be happy he's in prison, police are always going to be corrupt and retarded but we'll need them to take out the trash. Can always lock up some corrupt cops to balance things out.

This is what amerifags actually believe

Link to some threads about it at least, you fucking casual

Feh. That "false flag" was obviously a false false flag, set up by the bad guys to make it look like the good guys were trying to make the bad guys look bad.

When in reality, it's actually the good guys who are the bad guys. It's just that the bad guys are worse.

And you could tell the flag was false because it didn't even have a gold fringe on it.

Fandoms around a guy because of a Netflix series. Fuck you, humanity.

American Vandal was better.