her biggest sin is pissing off most of her fans by not backing bernie and then her being a rich white woman who pretended to be another race won't help either
Warren and Sanders are the most likely to beat Trump, because their ideas are genuinely popular in large sections of the rust belt, whereas the typical neoliberal Democratic claptrap simply isn't.
Honestly, all the Dems need to do to win next time, is run someone who isn't associated with ID politics or Big Banking. But I expect them to run someone all-in on both, like Gillibrand or Cuomo, and to lose a close election because of it.
Bush wasn't popular in 2004. Obama wasn't popular in 2012. If you want to beat a sitting President, you have to present an acceptable alternative. You can't just hope that unpopularity will sink them.
Having popular ideas in the rust belt only matters in the general election, though. To win the primary, a candidate has to appeal to the pajama boys on the coasts.
They did a great job shooting themselves in the foot even by Democratic Party standards. Out of all the war heroes they could pick, it had to be one who was ashamed of it and wouldn't use it in his campaign.
it had to be one who was ashamed of it and wouldn't use it in his campaign
I mean if he was proud of the war he wouldn't be a Dem. i don't actually remember the 2004 election much expect Dems did the same shit they did in 2000 and what republicans did in 2008 and 2012. made sure to chose someone closely resembling the opposition. John Kerry was an old white guy from yale, and so was Bush. they had too similar of views. plus Bush gave everyone like $300 in that tax surplus, so he won without even trying.
In the first 2016 debate, Jim Webb made a joke about one time when he killed a commie. Imagine Trump trying to run against that. But of course the party wouldn't ever dream of nominating him.
His campaign used it. A lot. You're forgetting the part where the Bush campaign got someone to lie and make up stories about how Kerry wasn't really a hero and claim he was lying about his service. At the time I think a large portion of Americans actually believed Kerry was liar. Crazy how much damage one dude was Abe to do.
Well, one guy willingly abetted by a large portion of the media. Swift Boat-gate was the moment when FOX News really became a kingmaker in conservative politics.
I fully expect them to go all in on the identity politics and tax hiking policy that lost rhem the rust belt in the first place. Why? Because they're too stupid and afraid to risk alienating coastal progressives who will vote Democrat anyways no matter what candidate they choose.
Like, how can we ban all Bernie subs? It's so problematic to see him all over the front page, while people ignore the suffering of straight, white women.
I want to see a Bernie vs Trump debate. More than that I want to see a Bernie subreddit vs t_d post-debate debate, where both claim their god completely annihilated the other, then go brigading into each others' posts talking about how stupid each would have to be to believe the wrong things etc etc.
Goddammit, George Lucas doesn't even own the rights to Star Wars anymore. In 2017 there's no excuse for pretending it was called "A New Hope" and part of his secret master plan.
they still do fucking Bernie rallies? I kinda get why Trump does them, because he obviously plans to run for re-election, but has Bernie even indicated he plans to run in 2020?
We made such a big deal about the USA having a first half black president, but what they really need is the first native american president. If only for justice. And then because he'd probably be drunk and on meth, which would give him the courage and energy to face all the current disasters in the world.
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1 S994 2017-12-03
Some fun stuff:
1 froibo 2017-12-03
Change one victem of neuro degeneration for another.
1 disgruntled_chode 2017-12-03
Politics aside, the amount of drama generated if he runs again might literally break the internet, so I'm obviously for it.
1 S994 2017-12-03
Putting their weight behind Commie McTaxFace is probably the only way dems could throw 2020.
1 Death_Trolley 2017-12-03
They could run Shrieky Fauxcahontas
1 S994 2017-12-03
they should just say "fuck it" and run Franken under the slogan "he's probably assaulted less people!"
1 Prysorra 2017-12-03
Warren could win. Why? Because she's not Clinton.
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I keep looking for shit on Warren, and if all we've got is a Fauxcahontas and "le liberal shrieking" ..... shit man that's a much shorter list of sins than .... well .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies
1 SWIMsfriend 2017-12-03
her biggest sin is pissing off most of her fans by not backing bernie and then her being a rich white woman who pretended to be another race won't help either
1 Alexlincoln2 2017-12-03
I guarentee that the fuaxcahontas thing would prevent her from winning the primary against a non white person
1 TherapyFortheRapy 2017-12-03
Warren and Sanders are the most likely to beat Trump, because their ideas are genuinely popular in large sections of the rust belt, whereas the typical neoliberal Democratic claptrap simply isn't.
Honestly, all the Dems need to do to win next time, is run someone who isn't associated with ID politics or Big Banking. But I expect them to run someone all-in on both, like Gillibrand or Cuomo, and to lose a close election because of it.
Bush wasn't popular in 2004. Obama wasn't popular in 2012. If you want to beat a sitting President, you have to present an acceptable alternative. You can't just hope that unpopularity will sink them.
1 UmmahSultan 2017-12-03
Having popular ideas in the rust belt only matters in the general election, though. To win the primary, a candidate has to appeal to the pajama boys on the coasts.
1 UmmahSultan 2017-12-03
Bush was so awful that a moldy sack of potatoes could beat him in 2004, so Democrats ran a war hero who still ended up losing.
1 Redactor0 2017-12-03
They did a great job shooting themselves in the foot even by Democratic Party standards. Out of all the war heroes they could pick, it had to be one who was ashamed of it and wouldn't use it in his campaign.
1 SWIMsfriend 2017-12-03
I mean if he was proud of the war he wouldn't be a Dem. i don't actually remember the 2004 election much expect Dems did the same shit they did in 2000 and what republicans did in 2008 and 2012. made sure to chose someone closely resembling the opposition. John Kerry was an old white guy from yale, and so was Bush. they had too similar of views. plus Bush gave everyone like $300 in that tax surplus, so he won without even trying.
1 Redactor0 2017-12-03
In the first 2016 debate, Jim Webb made a joke about one time when he killed a commie. Imagine Trump trying to run against that. But of course the party wouldn't ever dream of nominating him.
1 SWIMsfriend 2017-12-03
to be fair, back in the 90s, that was regular democrat speak
1 geraldo42 2017-12-03
His campaign used it. A lot. You're forgetting the part where the Bush campaign got someone to lie and make up stories about how Kerry wasn't really a hero and claim he was lying about his service. At the time I think a large portion of Americans actually believed Kerry was liar. Crazy how much damage one dude was Abe to do.
1 disgruntled_chode 2017-12-03
Well, one guy willingly abetted by a large portion of the media. Swift Boat-gate was the moment when FOX News really became a kingmaker in conservative politics.
1 thats_the_pizza 2017-12-03
In all fairness, it's really hard to loose re-election. There are only a handful of 1 term presidents
1 TherapyFortheRapy 2017-12-03
There's a pattern you'll notice with Dems as you get older. They declare every election unlosable...and then go on to lose it.
1 freet0 2017-12-03
I'm sure if there's a way to lose to Trump again the dems will find it
1 TFWnoLTR 2017-12-03
I fully expect them to go all in on the identity politics and tax hiking policy that lost rhem the rust belt in the first place. Why? Because they're too stupid and afraid to risk alienating coastal progressives who will vote Democrat anyways no matter what candidate they choose.
1 allendrio 2017-12-03
It would be fun seeing the retarded Bernie Bros who somehow switched to becoming Trump fans try to deal with their cognitive dissonance for once.
1 Prysorra 2017-12-03
Well it's a chance to shove it down another enoughXspam's throat, so let's bring it.
1 cheers_grills 2017-12-03
1 error404brain 2017-12-03
I actually want Clinton to come back. Just imagine the drama she could bring to all of us.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-12-03
Another Clint v Sanders primary would be enough drama to fuel a spaceship.
1 Chin_Up_Chick 2017-12-03
He will put Kim Kardashian's ass to shame.
1 Vakieh 2017-12-03
I want to see a Bernie vs Trump debate. More than that I want to see a Bernie subreddit vs t_d post-debate debate, where both claim their god completely annihilated the other, then go brigading into each others' posts talking about how stupid each would have to be to believe the wrong things etc etc.
1 im-a-koala 2017-12-03
It would be really fun to watch him go up against Trump and lose.
1 hexane360 2017-12-03
Plus it seems like Americans are literally incapable of supporting someone younger than the Civil Rights Act
1 Redactor0 2017-12-03
Goddammit, George Lucas doesn't even own the rights to Star Wars anymore. In 2017 there's no excuse for pretending it was called "A New Hope" and part of his secret master plan.
1 becauseiliketoupvote 2017-12-03
Yeah, if you didn't see it in theaters in May of '77 you didn't see the real movie.
1 kane4life4ever 2017-12-03
2012- Dindu Nuffin
1 IslamicStatePatriot 2017-12-03
Heck yeah! This is why I left the Bernie stickers on the car! The Arc of history is long but it bends towards justice!
1 S994 2017-12-03
2032
We ignored the warnings and the alt-reich won
AmeriNazi kill squads roam the streets
Milliahnahs and Billiahnahs still exist, unbeheaded
A knock on the door in the resistance bunker
"Did you find it?" "I did, right where you said it would be"
it's bernie Sander's cryogenically preserved head
he can still win
1 GadolBoobies 2017-12-03
This but unironically.
1 aliceunknown 2017-12-03
Return of the jew
1 MooseHeckler 2017-12-03
"With jews you lose".
1 geraldodelrivero 2017-12-03
they still do fucking Bernie rallies? I kinda get why Trump does them, because he obviously plans to run for re-election, but has Bernie even indicated he plans to run in 2020?
1 glmox 2017-12-03
lotta kids out there that dont realize he didnt invent being a socdem
1 aqouta 2017-12-03
I look forward to him turning to dust during a debate.
1 no_maps_no_plans 2017-12-03
If bernie can maintain his popularity and still tries to remain in the limelight, I really wouldn't be surprised if he does try again.
1 everymanawildcat 2017-12-03
Fucking GallowBoob.
1 kermit_was_right 2017-12-03
Bernie did better than anyone had the right to expect - but that was it guys. He's fucking ancient.
1 takaci 2017-12-03
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-12-03
We made such a big deal about the USA having a first half black president, but what they really need is the first native american president. If only for justice. And then because he'd probably be drunk and on meth, which would give him the courage and energy to face all the current disasters in the world.
1 TherapyFortheRapy 2017-12-03
LOL, 'Hope'.
I can't wait for these kids to grow up, and learn that Obama basically sold the country to Goldman Sachs during his tenure.
1 Fucking_That_Chicken 2017-12-03
does this make Obama's second term the Holiday Special?
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-12-03
Good eye
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-12-03
There is no way Bernie isn't going to die of old by 2020.
1 ThePathToOne 2017-12-03
Why does nobody care what economists have to say about this guy?
1 POTUS-90 2017-12-03
Someone who actually believes Obama deserved the peace prize.