/u/koniboni what posses a Swedecuck to white-knight Mohammed and friends gang-raping women? Is it one of the things trhey teach you when you become a male feminist?
Please, Americuck. Malmo is infinitely safer than any major US city.
But hey, you're Amercan. Getting raped by blacks and Mexicans (and getting caught in the odd mass shooting) has become so normal that you don't even get outraged.
If you don't count all the rape and grenades (and the police isn't, can't have those Nazis using statistics against the diversity narrative) it's doing great.
How come you guys add 'stan' to countries to make them sound scary and Muslim-y?
I get that Trumpcucks aren't known for their intelligence, but '-stan' is literally just the Persian suffix for 'place of' and most of the Stan countries are secular ex-Soviet states.
/u/koniboni can you explain to me why a leftist would be sympathetic towards islam, when it is directly opposed to everything the left supposedly stands for? I lived under that religion for 20 years, and secularism, women's rights, and equality in general are completely alien to it.
I think that was a joke, if it was wordplay off of Saudi Arabia, that's not a madhhab, and I assume when he said he "lived under the religion" he meant living as a Muslim.
can you explain to me why a leftist would be sympathetic towards islam, when it is directly opposed to everything the left supposedly stands for?
They're not 'sympathetic to Islam', it's mostly about defending minorities from being tarred with the same brush. You'll notice leftists in Turkey defending Christians too.
Interestingly, I was under the impression that Islam wasn't a race, yet it seems people are quick to attribute anything certain ethnicities do to Islam. You say you're an ex-Muslim, and you can bet your ass that if you ever committed a crime, the right would try to attribute it to Islam regardless of your personal views.
A more interesting question would be why Western conservatives hate Muslims so much when they share so many of their views?
On the contrary, the Ummah's most popular western figure is Hitler
lmao, no he's not. No one gives a shit about Hitler either way outside of some Palestinians and Jordanians who are sick of Israel and think that Hitler would've solved their problems.
If you gave a fuck about "defending minorities" you sure as hell wouldn't be defending Muslims, given that Muslims' favourite pastime is raping, murdering and forcibly converting minorities.
You're so noble, defending those poor savages; all they want to do is practice the rape and pillaging that their religion mandates in peace!
Interestingly, I was under the impression that Islam wasn't a race, yet it seems people are quick to attribute anything certain ethnicities do to Islam.
Probably because the countries inundating Europe with Muslim "refugees" are pretty homogeneous, you know, because of the aforementioned raping and murdering of minorities. It also helps to pinpoint the culprit when their holy book explicitly tells them to rape and murder non-Muslims and their cultures are concentrated shit.
Sometimes actual persecuted minorities do try to flee these Muslim countries, like those Christians that were thrown overboard to drown by the Muslims on the boat, so that they could steal their possessions.
and you can bet your ass that if you ever committed a crime, the right would try to attribute it to Islam regardless of your personal views.
I doubt that someone who's an ex Muslim is going to be involved in rape and murder. When you leave an ideology behind you leave it's teachings behind, too.
But, yeah, if he has a traditional Muslim name,and it was reported in relation to a crime, I guess people would assume that he's a Muslim. Kind of weird how that works.
A more interesting question would be why Western conservatives hate Muslims so much
Because of all of the rape and murder.
when they share so many of their views?
If western conservatives shared the views of Muslims you'd be in a death camp by now.
Though you're certainly playing your part in ensuring that Europe is being pushed in that direction; people aren't going to keep putting up with these invaders and the leftist scum like you that invited them here.
given that Muslims' favourite pastime is raping, murdering and forcibly converting minorities.
Yeah fam, I'm sure that chick in a headscarf or some Algerian dude in France are actively murdering and converting minorities.
Probably because the countries inundating Europe with Muslim "refugees" are pretty homogeneous, you know, because of the aforementioned raping and murdering of minorities
lmao
Nigga, you're clueless. Most of the immigrants to Europe in the last 50 years have been from North Africa and Turkey. Countries where the average person doesn't give a shit about religion.
You guys have gone from 'Islam isn't a race' to 'ANYONE WHO'S A SAND NIGGER IS A RADICAL MUSLIM.'
when their holy book explicitly tells them to rape and murder non-Muslims
Nah, it doesn't. If it did, there would no non-Muslims in existence. The overwhelming majority of the teachings of Islam are inherited straight from Judaism and Christianity. In fact, Islam was believed in its early history to just be some splintered Christian sect.
inb4 you post some out of context verses from islamisevil.com
Because of all of the rape and murder.
But you don't have a problem with Christians raping and murdering. The vast majority of criminals in the US come from Christian backgrounds. Mexicans, blacks, whites. All Christians.
You guys don't have a problem.
If western conservatives shared the views of Muslims you'd be in a death camp by now.
The best thing is that when you eventually snap and shoot up a Sikh temple, not only are you going to get butt-blasted by Abdul and Tyrone in prison, but you'll also create a lot of sympathy for non-white immigrants.
Yeah fam, I'm sure that chick in a headscarf or some Algerian dude in France are actively murdering and converting minorities.
Given the ammount of literal ISIS members that have gottebn into Europe that's a distinct possibility. Apply your argument to neo-Nazis and see if it's more paletable: the average neo-Nazi never hurts anyone, just rants in private about hating and wanting to murder those that disagree with them So I guess support
Most of the immigrants to Europe in the last 50 years have been from North Africa and Turkey. Countries where the average person doesn't give a shit about religion.
Are you trolling? Even you can't be stupid enough to believe this.
Nah, it doesn't. If it did, there would no non-Muslims in existence.
If Nazism advocates killing Jews, then why do Jews still exist? And, yeah, look up the living conditions of minorities in places like Pakistan.
The overwhelming majority of the teachings of Islam are inherited straight from Judaism and Christianity. In fact, Islam was believed in its early history to just be some splintered Christian sect.
I don't even know where to begin addressing this level of stupid. How about you go over to /r/Islam and ask them how much of their religion is Christian or Jewish? I'm pretty sure the answer will be "none of it."
Muslims believe that their holy book was transcribed directly from the words of their prophet, who claimed that he was instructed by the angel Gabriel on behalf of god. Muslims have never claimed to be a Christian sect and nobody who isn't incredibly ignorant would mistake them for one.
inb4 you post some out of context verses from islamisevil.com
How is this for context - the Muslim prophet explicitly telling his soldiers that it's fine to rape the wives of captives in front of their husbands:
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/110
Is a Muslim website with literal translations from the Koran a biased source?
But you don't have a problem with Christians raping and murdering.
Actually, I do. But, here in the west, we've made a lot of progress in discouraging rape and making our countries safe for women. Which is why it's a terrible thing that trash like you is bringing Muslims here to drag us backwards.
North Africa
Average person doesn't give a shit about religion
Ahahahahahahahahaha.
The study of Islam is a requirement in the public and private schools for every Algerian child, irrespective of his/her religion.[1]
Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men (Algerian Family Code I.II.31),[2] and apostates are disinherited (Family Code III.I.138). A marriage is legally nullified by the apostasy of the husband (presumably from Islam, although this is not specified; Family Code I.III.33).
Despite the freedom given for Christians and Jews in Morocco to practice their faith and congregate at places of worship, Islam is given rights by the constitution which outweigh those given to other faiths. For example, it is a criminal offence to possess a Christian Bible written in the Arabic language, part of a wider law prohibiting proselytisation of Muslims to any other belief.
Copts (Coptic: ⲟⲩⲣⲉⲙ'ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ 'ⲛ'Ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲓ'ⲁⲛⲟⲥ ou.Remenkīmi en.Ekhristianos, literally: "Egyptian Christian") are native Egyptian Christians, usually Orthodox, who currently make up between 10 and 20% of the population of Egypt — the largest religious minority of that country. While Copts have cited instances of persecution throughout their history, Human Rights Watch has noted "growing religious intolerance" and sectarian violence against Coptic Christians in recent years, and a failure by the Egyptian government to effectively investigate properly and prosecute those responsible. Hundreds of Egyptian copts have been killed in sectarian clashes from 2011 to 2017, and many homes and businesses destroyed. In just one province (Minya), 77 cases of sectarian attacks on Copts between 2011 and 2016 have been documented by the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.
you sure as hell wouldn't be defending Muslims, given that Muslims' favourite pastime is raping, murdering and forcibly converting minorities.
Man, you're fucking radicalized.
You know that this is the ISIS justification for their terrorism, right? They blame Westerners for bombing Syria and murdering innocents in Iraq, and they blame minorities for standing by Assad. It doesn't matter to them that most minorities or Westerners aren't involved, they judge them all the same way that you judge all Muslims.
You need to calm down with the Vanilla ISIS shit, bro, it's not healthy.
I doubt that someone who's an ex Muslim is going to be involved in rape and murder.
Yeah, because non-Muslims never commit crimes.
My dude, you are legitimately retarded.
if he has a traditional Muslim name, and it was reported in relation to a crime, I guess people would assume that he's a Muslim
Yet someone with a Biblical name would never get associated with Christianity, even if he came from a conservative religious background.
You know that this is the ISIS justification for their terrorism, right? They blame Westerners for bombing Syria and murdering innocents in Iraq, and they blame minorities for standing by Assad
ISIS have stated that they would be warring with non-Muslims even if there was no non-Muslim presence in their countries. Their leader is an Islamic religious scholar and they say that they war with non-believers because Islam demands it.
Yeah, because non-Muslims never commit crimes.
Well, I guess so long as crime exists then more and worse crime is always acceptable and desirable.
Yet someone with a Biblical name would never get associated with Christianity
Yes, they would. What the fuck are you talking about.
Claim: "There has been a major increase in the number of rapes in Sweden."
Facts: The number of reported rapes in Sweden has risen. But the definition of rape has broadened over time, which makes it difficult to compare the figures. It is also misleading to compare the figures with other countries, as many acts that are considered rape under Swedish law are not considered rape in many other countries.
For example: If a woman in Sweden reports that she has been raped by her husband every night for a year, that is counted as 365 separate offences; in most other countries this would be registered as a single offence, or would not be registered as an offence at all.
Willingness to report such offences also differs dramatically between countries. A culture in which these crimes are talked about openly, and victims are not blamed, will also have more cases reported. Sweden has made a conscious effort to encourage women to report any offence.
Sweden as the rape capital of Europe/the world
Claim: Sweden has the highest number of rapes per capita in either Europe of the world
Even though many people try to claim this, it is pure lies. While the numbers might make it seem like Sweden has a lot of rapes (which still doesn't make it the rape capital of the world no matter what way you look at it), there are a couple of factors that skew the numbers.
Explanation: Statistics are different between countries and cannot be straight up compared
The first and most impactful one is that Sweden has a much wider definition of rape in crime statistics. The numbers that people use when comparing Sweden to other places also include sexual harassment among other things, and they also count every single incident separately. What this means is that if someone raped their spouse every day for an entire year that would count as 365 rapes, whereas most countries would count that as one single offence (if the countries even count inter-marital forced intercourse as rape). Swedish victims also have a higher tendency to report the crime than people from other countries, which makes it so that the number of hidden crime is lower in Sweden.
Sources
The Swedish government have themselves responded to this claim, and the BBC have also made a fairly detailed article on the matter.
The development of the number of rapes in Sweden and its relationship with immigration
Claim: The number of rapes have increased due to the recent European migration crisis
There is no denying that the number of rapes have increased in Sweden, and that is not entirely due to the redefinition of rape, but it also not a result of the recent wave of immigration.
Explanation: While the numbers have increased, many people ignore context
Here is the official statistics regarding what share of Swedes were the victims of sexual crime last year according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, and this includes everything from rape to indecent exposure. As you can see the numbers are up to 2.6% in 2016 (4.1% for women), but what you might notice is that the increase started in 2013, so there is no way to directly correlate this to the recent influx of immigrants.
Swedish police also don't record the ethnicity of criminals, so there is no way to pinpoint exactly what group of people are behind the increase, What can be said though is an argument that the government itself has made in the same page as mentioned before. They refer to a study from Stockholm University that has concluded that the main factor when it comes to crime among immigrants is the socioeconomic conditions that they grew up in. Unfortunately there are no studies regarding third generation immigrants due to the lack of third generation immigrants from outside of Europe in Sweden, so we can't draw any conclusion when it comes to long term effects of having a foreign background.
Sources
The article from the government didn't link to a certain source, and the only thing I can find online is articles referring to a study from 2011 which seems to be the one referred to by the government. It was conducted by Jerzy Sarnecki, possibly Sweden's most famous criminologist, and observed people who graduated primary school in the Stockholm region.
Addendum
Jerzy Sarnecki has also published another study in 2016 on the same subject, where he mentions three factors that could skew the numbers. Those are discrimination toward immigrants in the judicial system (which would increase the tendency to report crime if an immigrant is the suspected perpetrator), conditions in the country of origin and conditions in the recipient country. Simply looking at the conditions that these people lived in in Sweden already shows that the socioeconomic factors cause twice as many people to commit crimes, which indicated that the country of origin might not be the main issue, but instead the condition in vulnerable areas in Sweden, which brings me to my third slightly related point.
No-go zones in Sweden
Claim: Sweden has multiple no-go zones
While we're at it I might dispel this notion aswell. Supposedly Sweden has a bunch of areas where the police don't go and where criminals control everything.
Explanation: Sweden has a bunch of so called "vulnerable areas" that experience a higher level of social unrest and alienation
Once again I refer you to the government article, but these areas are in no way as bad as some people make them out to be. I personally used to live right next to one of these areas and would regularly walk through there day and night, and I know many people who lived in the areas with no fear to their own safety, men and women. The Wikipedia page on these areas is pretty good, even though certain sources they use have been heavily critizised in Sweden (especially [3]). I'm gonna leave it at that since it wasn't the main focus of this comment.
Sources
Here is the official police report on the matter, which states the following criterion when it comes to categorizing these areas:
An especially vulnerable area is characterized by:
Public indisposition to participate in the judicial system
Difficulties for the police to fulfill their duties
Parallel social structures
Religious radicalization
Proximity to other vulnerable areas
Summary
Sweden is facing many issues. Things have gotten worse, and something has to be done about it, but that doesn't mean that Sweden has more rapes than equivalent countries or that Sweden is less safe than other countries (I seriously spoke to people who compared Sweden to Syria and Somalia). Sweden is still a safe country experiencing high economic growth.
Vulnerable area (sv: Utsatt område) is a term applied by police in Sweden to areas with high crime rates and social deprivation. In the December 2015 report, these areas numbered 53. In the June 2017 report, these totalled 61.
All the areas are situated south of the town of Gävle and most most are areas constructed during Million Programme (MP), although there are towns north of Gävle having MP areas they do not experience the crime rate of some southern MP areas.
I doubt that someone who's an ex Muslim is going to be involved in rape and murder. When you leave an ideology behind you leave it's teachings behind, too.
This is terrible logic. It seems like you're assuming that the reason people rape is because they're Muslim (also you're ignoring that Sweden doesn't release the ethnicity/religion of criminals, I noticed that in the linked thread, people just assumed that was the cause because "refugees came here around the same time"). Yes, it's allowed in Islamic texts to have sex with your slaves, but saying "Yeah, that's why they rape people" is a big jump. Rapists aren't jumping to justify their rapes religiously, and it wouldn't apply anyway (since random women ≠ slaves).
Using your logic, I could say that a male feminist would never rape anyone, since he left his misogynistic ideology behind.
Imagine getting upset about what's happening in some shithole in Sweden, while your women get raped and your country destroyed by blacks and Mexicants.
smh, Amerifats. Every single inner city in your country is a no-go zone for whites, but you do nothing about it.
Also conservatives: THIS ACT WAS WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY MOTIVATED BY ISLAM BECAUSE MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA ARE NON-WHITE
/u/LemonScore, when will you start referring to crimes committed by Mexicans and blacks - overwhelmingly Christian populations - as 'Christian crimes?'
muslims from Morroco to Indonesia commit terrorist attacks in the name of Islam
No one's saying that Islamic terror doesn't exist.
It's just a bit strange that literally everything someone from certain ethnicities does is attributed to Islam. Even without knowing the person's beliefs.
I've seen posts on t_d where they try to attribute petty crimes (as in, the type of shit done by people of every demographic) to Islam because the guy who committed it looks sort of Middle Eastern.
(as in, the type of shit done by people of every demographic) to Islam because the guy who committed it looks sort of Middle Eastern.
tbf if he looks middle eastern it probably was his motivation, most middle easterners in the US are Christian but all the crazy murderous ones are probably Islamic.
It's like if you started to rant about Catholicism because someone Italian committed a crime.
Pretty sure people actually did that to the Irish.
when will you start referring to crimes committed by Mexicans and blacks - overwhelmingly Christian populations - as 'Christian crimes?'
I don't remember Jesus being a warlord pedophile slaver that literally ordered men to rape defenceless civilians, like the Muslim prophet did. So it's difficult to see a connections between Christianity and violence. And it's pretty telling that you consider black and Latino Americans to be a separate culture like Islam is to western Europe: careful, leftist, your secret racism is showing.
And since when is there a shortage of leftist retards like yourself hating on Christians? "Buh whatabout Christians?!" is pretty much the rallying cry of you fucktards anytime Muslims do anything wrong. "Muslims massacred another village, but whatabout right-wing Christians?!: they don't want gay marriage and won't let trans people use a bathroom!"
I don't remember Jesus being a warlord pedophile slaver
Nah, he was a Roman rebel who catapulted pigs off a cliff, beat the shit out of Jewish bankers, and said that any city that didn't accept his message would burn in eternal hellfire.
I'd recommend you actually read the bible.
black and Latino Americans to be a separate culture like Islam is to western Europe
So you're saying that blacks and Mexicans have the same culture as white Americans?
You must be sheltered.
whatabout right-wing Christians?!: they don't want gay marriage and won't let trans people use a bathroom!"
hahahahaha
It's very telling that your view of right-wing Christians is just 'not telling homos in bathrooms' and not the ones massacring innocents in Africa or the Catholic cartels in South America.
Face it, Trumpcuck. You're fine with being raped and murdered by Christians. It's sad.
Nah, he was a Roman rebel who catapulted pigs off a cliff, beat the shit out of Jewish bankers, and said that any city that didn't accept his message would burn in eternal hellfire.
So not a warlord and pedophile, then.
and not the ones massacring innocents in Africa or the Catholic cartels in South America.
Yeah, I remember those verses in the bible telling people to smuggle condoms full of cocaine over the border form child-soldier rape squads.
You're fine with being raped and murdered by Christians. It's sad.
You got me, the jigs up! It's the norse blood in me, a single drop of Swedish is enough to make a rapecuck.
In November 2012, Séléka, a coalition of rebel groups, took over towns in the northern and central regions of the country. These groups eventually reached a peace deal with the Bozizé's government in January 2013 involving a power sharing government[8] but this deal broke down and the rebels seized the capital in March 2013 and Bozizé fled the country.[35][36]
Michel Djotodia took over as president. Prime Minister Nicolas Tiangaye requested a UN peacekeeping force from the UN Security Council and on 31 May former President Bozizé was indicted for crimes against humanity and incitement of genocide.[37] By the end of the year there were international warnings of a "genocide"[38][39] and fighting was largely from reprisal attacks on civilians from Seleka's predominantly Muslim fighters and Christian militias called "anti-balaka."
Oh, look, someone trying to paint reprisal attacks in response to Muslim violence as Muslims being the victims, as usual. And it's the same thing wherever Muslims are "victims" of violence.
For example, the recent "ethnic cleansing" against the poor Muslims in Burma: the Rohingya Muslims are invaders from the land that's now owned by Bangladesh. They invaded and began raping and murdering their way through the native's territory. The land that they're occupying was forcefully taken through genocide and now the natives are finally forcing them off their land.
Islam's not a culture. It's a religion. A religion that - thought it triggers you to accept this - is based heavily on Christianity.
Christians and Muslims in Lebanon have the same culture as each other. Similarly, a Bosnian Muslim has more in common with a Croatian Christian than he does with a Pakistani Muslim.
Most of the 'Muslims' (if you actually bothered to interact with one, you'd know that most don't give a shit about religion)in France are from former French colonies that are influenced heavily by France and French culture. Algerians, Ivorians, etc. All of them speak French natively.
And yeah, Mexicans definitely do have a different culture to Americans. And black Americans have a hugely different culture to white Americans.
You seem to view the world in this very strange 'us vs them' light. You and ISIS have that in common. That's not how the world works. People are individuals. Most people who are 'Muslims' are literally only Muslim because they were born into it, not out of any ideological devotion to some ancient book. A book that you clearly have no nuanced understanding of.
Take a break from the internet. Go outside, get some fresh air. You're clearly not in a good place mentally or emotionally. Maybe try asking an Imam or something about Islam? You know, to get a good understanding of it from their side and not just the side of the people who despise them.
Go over to /r/islam and ask them whether Islam is based on Christianity.
Similarly, a Bosnian Muslim has more in common with a Croatian Christian
Yeah, those Bosnian Muslims are know for getting along with Christians. Where are you getting this shit? This is ridiculous even by leftist standards.
You seem to view the world in this very strange 'us vs them' light
I can't be bothered going through your post history, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this attitude towards Muslims isn't shared when you talk and think about people with different political beliefs to you.
Most people who are 'Muslims' are literally only Muslim because they were born into it, not out of any ideological devotion to some ancient book. A book that you clearly have no nuanced understanding of.
I seriously can't tell whether you're trolling or really this ignorant.
You know, to get a good understanding of it from their side and not just the side of the people who despise them.
You can resolve your own arguments very easily; just make a thread in /r/islam and ask them about your claims. They really like having people interested in their religion ask questions, you'll be welcomed there.
I'm serious: ask them about Islam's roots and how much of it is from Christianity. Ask them whether they actually believe their religion or whether they just pretend. Ask them how secular fucking North Africa is.
It seems like a pretty easy way to get evidence to throw back in my face: show me how wrong I am and make some new Muslim friends.
Mention this part, specifically: "not out of any ideological devotion to some ancient book"
/u/BullshitInFinance "The news of these rapes is true, but the paper reporting them is what I consider 'unreliable,' so please disregard it"
You know, I think it would actually be slightly better, on a moral level, if you were being paid to cover up these rapes instead of just doing it for free because you'[re leftist trash.
Ever wonder why third-world countries are the way they are, bro? Because of the people living in them. You bring those people to your country and, bit by bit, your country gets worse and worse.
No its not, its pretty simple most of first world started as industrialised so they have a massive head start, its like starting with level 100 and beating the level 1 guys and saying you are better somehow, it's like rich vs poor, the rich keep being rich due to advantages you get for being rich.
What head start? Humans have all been around for the same amount of time.
By "head start" you mean that some countries developed technology before others, but that excuse doesn't make sense when you consider that the cultures that didn't develop often had better resources in their vicinity than those that did. Africa, southern Africa in particular, has enormousness mineral deposited and abundant food sources relative to Europe. They had as much of an opportunity to "industrialise" as anywhere else.
And the countries that most of the new waves of "refugees" come from are Arab countries. Arab development was on-par with Europeans until about a hundred years ago.
Most of these resources mines are owned by first world nations and any kind of nationalised results in coups backed by west look what happened to democratically elected leader in iran. And the borders of african nations were drawn by Europeans without concern for ethnicity of people resulting in constant wars. Also there are factors like resource curse, countries with more resources generally results in more wars. The west has unbelievable advantages in today's economy they make the rules that we have to play with, dont act like 3rd world people are inferior in some way.
Most of these resources mines are owned by first world nations
You were trying to say that these nations didn't have the opportunity to develop, those resources were open for the taking but the natives never capitalised on them.
And the borders of african nations were drawn by Europeans without concern for ethnicity of people resulting in constant wars.
African tribes and the Arab states have been going to war with each other forever. Literally the first thing the Muslims did after their prophet died was start fighting each other.
dont act like 3rd world people are inferior in some way.
I'm not allowed to act like they're inferior, but at the same time you want me to admit that the west is superior and created an unfair advantage?
Here's a redpill for you: every tribe and nation in the world tries to dominate their neighbours and take territory. The Arabs, the Chinese, the Turks, Africans, Asians, whites everybody. Some groups were better at than others. Importing the failed cultures into our successful ones doesn't benefit us, they're dragging us down with them.
A lot of other countries also got enormous advantages. Egypt gets $2.5B in American aid every year, for example. South Korea was ravaged by decades of Japanese occupation, a civil war and conditions so bad that their governments had to make up things like the fan myth to conserve electricity. They are still a first world country today. Hell, North Korea was ahead of them for the most part thanks to enormous Soviet/Chinese aid but look how hard they pulled ahead since the 90s.
You also have other examples. Taiwan comes to mind, imagine having literally China's major foreign policy objective being your destruction and, from that condition, not only surviving and thriving. Look at Vietnam, they were in a gigantic war till the 70s, starting from the 50s. Today, they are pulling ahead and will probably be in the middle income group with the other SEA countries within a few decades. Then there's other countries, Botswana for example. A sub Saharan African country with GDP/capita at $18,000 and medium HDI. They rose completely by their own merit, while their neighbours floundered around. Israel, literally the greatest enemy of the Muslim bloc, with all its neighbours having extremely hostile populaces even if some's government is tame.
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1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
/u/koniboni what posses a Swedecuck to white-knight Mohammed and friends gang-raping women? Is it one of the things trhey teach you when you become a male feminist?
1 Mexagon 2017-12-19
Please, the rape epidemic is just a small price to pay to be able to say you're better than amerikkka.
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
Please, Americuck. Malmo is infinitely safer than any major US city.
But hey, you're Amercan. Getting raped by blacks and Mexicans (and getting caught in the odd mass shooting) has become so normal that you don't even get outraged.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
If you don't count all the rape and grenades (and the police isn't, can't have those Nazis using statistics against the diversity narrative) it's doing great.
1 throwawayforpoland12 2017-12-19
Why do you guys never get upset by all the Polish criminals in the UK?
Or the Mexicans in the US?
Or the Eastern Europeans in literally every rich country on earth?
Are rape and crime acceptable if the perpetrators are Christian?
1 cavides 2017-12-19
Because they know what "per capita" means and understand that theft is not as bad as rape and terrorism.
1 shallowm 2017-12-19
Grenades are like the guns of Sweden. It's much harder to get guns, so people smuggle in grenades instead.
1 DistortedLines 2017-12-19
The free market at work I guess
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-12-19
Because it is fun?
1 throwawayforpoland12 2017-12-19
How come you guys add 'stan' to countries to make them sound scary and Muslim-y?
I get that Trumpcucks aren't known for their intelligence, but '-stan' is literally just the Persian suffix for 'place of' and most of the Stan countries are secular ex-Soviet states.
1 poopcoptor 2017-12-19
So Pakistan literally means "place of pakis"? How interesting and definitely not humorous.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-12-19
/u/koniboni can you explain to me why a leftist would be sympathetic towards islam, when it is directly opposed to everything the left supposedly stands for? I lived under that religion for 20 years, and secularism, women's rights, and equality in general are completely alien to it.
1 pwpas 2017-12-19
Libs are literally unable to be critical of brown people.
1 queerjihad 2017-12-19
What madhab did you live under?
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-12-19
Nazi Arabia
1 AHealthySenseofDread 2017-12-19
I'm sorry for your loss, unironically
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-12-19
r/wholesome_r_drama
1 shallowm 2017-12-19
I think that was a joke, if it was wordplay off of Saudi Arabia, that's not a madhhab, and I assume when he said he "lived under the religion" he meant living as a Muslim.
1 AHealthySenseofDread 2017-12-19
I assumed he meant the most prominent madhab of Saudi, wahhabism.
1 Koolin123 2017-12-19
They're not 'sympathetic to Islam', it's mostly about defending minorities from being tarred with the same brush. You'll notice leftists in Turkey defending Christians too.
Interestingly, I was under the impression that Islam wasn't a race, yet it seems people are quick to attribute anything certain ethnicities do to Islam. You say you're an ex-Muslim, and you can bet your ass that if you ever committed a crime, the right would try to attribute it to Islam regardless of your personal views.
A more interesting question would be why Western conservatives hate Muslims so much when they share so many of their views?
lmao, no he's not. No one gives a shit about Hitler either way outside of some Palestinians and Jordanians who are sick of Israel and think that Hitler would've solved their problems.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
If you gave a fuck about "defending minorities" you sure as hell wouldn't be defending Muslims, given that Muslims' favourite pastime is raping, murdering and forcibly converting minorities.
You're so noble, defending those poor savages; all they want to do is practice the rape and pillaging that their religion mandates in peace!
Probably because the countries inundating Europe with Muslim "refugees" are pretty homogeneous, you know, because of the aforementioned raping and murdering of minorities. It also helps to pinpoint the culprit when their holy book explicitly tells them to rape and murder non-Muslims and their cultures are concentrated shit.
Sometimes actual persecuted minorities do try to flee these Muslim countries, like those Christians that were thrown overboard to drown by the Muslims on the boat, so that they could steal their possessions.
I doubt that someone who's an ex Muslim is going to be involved in rape and murder. When you leave an ideology behind you leave it's teachings behind, too.
But, yeah, if he has a traditional Muslim name,and it was reported in relation to a crime, I guess people would assume that he's a Muslim. Kind of weird how that works.
Because of all of the rape and murder.
If western conservatives shared the views of Muslims you'd be in a death camp by now.
Though you're certainly playing your part in ensuring that Europe is being pushed in that direction; people aren't going to keep putting up with these invaders and the leftist scum like you that invited them here.
1 TrumpGolfCourse12 2017-12-19
Yeah fam, I'm sure that chick in a headscarf or some Algerian dude in France are actively murdering and converting minorities.
lmao
Nigga, you're clueless. Most of the immigrants to Europe in the last 50 years have been from North Africa and Turkey. Countries where the average person doesn't give a shit about religion.
You guys have gone from 'Islam isn't a race' to 'ANYONE WHO'S A SAND NIGGER IS A RADICAL MUSLIM.'
Nah, it doesn't. If it did, there would no non-Muslims in existence. The overwhelming majority of the teachings of Islam are inherited straight from Judaism and Christianity. In fact, Islam was believed in its early history to just be some splintered Christian sect.
inb4 you post some out of context verses from islamisevil.com
But you don't have a problem with Christians raping and murdering. The vast majority of criminals in the US come from Christian backgrounds. Mexicans, blacks, whites. All Christians.
You guys don't have a problem.
The best thing is that when you eventually snap and shoot up a Sikh temple, not only are you going to get butt-blasted by Abdul and Tyrone in prison, but you'll also create a lot of sympathy for non-white immigrants.
Thanks for doing your part!
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
Given the ammount of literal ISIS members that have gottebn into Europe that's a distinct possibility. Apply your argument to neo-Nazis and see if it's more paletable: the average neo-Nazi never hurts anyone, just rants in private about hating and wanting to murder those that disagree with them So I guess support
Are you trolling? Even you can't be stupid enough to believe this.
If Nazism advocates killing Jews, then why do Jews still exist? And, yeah, look up the living conditions of minorities in places like Pakistan.
I don't even know where to begin addressing this level of stupid. How about you go over to /r/Islam and ask them how much of their religion is Christian or Jewish? I'm pretty sure the answer will be "none of it."
Muslims believe that their holy book was transcribed directly from the words of their prophet, who claimed that he was instructed by the angel Gabriel on behalf of god. Muslims have never claimed to be a Christian sect and nobody who isn't incredibly ignorant would mistake them for one.
How is this for context - the Muslim prophet explicitly telling his soldiers that it's fine to rape the wives of captives in front of their husbands: https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/110 Is a Muslim website with literal translations from the Koran a biased source?
Actually, I do. But, here in the west, we've made a lot of progress in discouraging rape and making our countries safe for women. Which is why it's a terrible thing that trash like you is bringing Muslims here to drag us backwards.
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2017-12-19
Ahahahahahahahahaha.
If this is what 'irreligious' Muslims get up to, what are religious Muzzies like?
1 WikiTextBot 2017-12-19
Persecution of Copts
Copts (Coptic: ⲟⲩⲣⲉⲙ'ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ 'ⲛ'Ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲓ'ⲁⲛⲟⲥ ou.Remenkīmi en.Ekhristianos, literally: "Egyptian Christian") are native Egyptian Christians, usually Orthodox, who currently make up between 10 and 20% of the population of Egypt — the largest religious minority of that country. While Copts have cited instances of persecution throughout their history, Human Rights Watch has noted "growing religious intolerance" and sectarian violence against Coptic Christians in recent years, and a failure by the Egyptian government to effectively investigate properly and prosecute those responsible. Hundreds of Egyptian copts have been killed in sectarian clashes from 2011 to 2017, and many homes and businesses destroyed. In just one province (Minya), 77 cases of sectarian attacks on Copts between 2011 and 2016 have been documented by the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.
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1 Koolin123 2017-12-19
Man, you're fucking radicalized.
You know that this is the ISIS justification for their terrorism, right? They blame Westerners for bombing Syria and murdering innocents in Iraq, and they blame minorities for standing by Assad. It doesn't matter to them that most minorities or Westerners aren't involved, they judge them all the same way that you judge all Muslims.
You need to calm down with the Vanilla ISIS shit, bro, it's not healthy.
Yeah, because non-Muslims never commit crimes.
My dude, you are legitimately retarded.
Yet someone with a Biblical name would never get associated with Christianity, even if he came from a conservative religious background.
Strange.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
ISIS have stated that they would be warring with non-Muslims even if there was no non-Muslim presence in their countries. Their leader is an Islamic religious scholar and they say that they war with non-believers because Islam demands it.
Well, I guess so long as crime exists then more and worse crime is always acceptable and desirable.
Yes, they would. What the fuck are you talking about.
1 shallowm 2017-12-19
From the Swedish government's website:
Sweden as the rape capital of Europe/the world
Claim: Sweden has the highest number of rapes per capita in either Europe of the world
Even though many people try to claim this, it is pure lies. While the numbers might make it seem like Sweden has a lot of rapes (which still doesn't make it the rape capital of the world no matter what way you look at it), there are a couple of factors that skew the numbers.
Explanation: Statistics are different between countries and cannot be straight up compared
The first and most impactful one is that Sweden has a much wider definition of rape in crime statistics. The numbers that people use when comparing Sweden to other places also include sexual harassment among other things, and they also count every single incident separately. What this means is that if someone raped their spouse every day for an entire year that would count as 365 rapes, whereas most countries would count that as one single offence (if the countries even count inter-marital forced intercourse as rape). Swedish victims also have a higher tendency to report the crime than people from other countries, which makes it so that the number of hidden crime is lower in Sweden.
Sources
The Swedish government have themselves responded to this claim, and the BBC have also made a fairly detailed article on the matter.
The development of the number of rapes in Sweden and its relationship with immigration
Claim: The number of rapes have increased due to the recent European migration crisis
There is no denying that the number of rapes have increased in Sweden, and that is not entirely due to the redefinition of rape, but it also not a result of the recent wave of immigration.
Explanation: While the numbers have increased, many people ignore context
Here is the official statistics regarding what share of Swedes were the victims of sexual crime last year according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, and this includes everything from rape to indecent exposure. As you can see the numbers are up to 2.6% in 2016 (4.1% for women), but what you might notice is that the increase started in 2013, so there is no way to directly correlate this to the recent influx of immigrants.
Swedish police also don't record the ethnicity of criminals, so there is no way to pinpoint exactly what group of people are behind the increase, What can be said though is an argument that the government itself has made in the same page as mentioned before. They refer to a study from Stockholm University that has concluded that the main factor when it comes to crime among immigrants is the socioeconomic conditions that they grew up in. Unfortunately there are no studies regarding third generation immigrants due to the lack of third generation immigrants from outside of Europe in Sweden, so we can't draw any conclusion when it comes to long term effects of having a foreign background.
Sources
The article from the government didn't link to a certain source, and the only thing I can find online is articles referring to a study from 2011 which seems to be the one referred to by the government. It was conducted by Jerzy Sarnecki, possibly Sweden's most famous criminologist, and observed people who graduated primary school in the Stockholm region.
Addendum
Jerzy Sarnecki has also published another study in 2016 on the same subject, where he mentions three factors that could skew the numbers. Those are discrimination toward immigrants in the judicial system (which would increase the tendency to report crime if an immigrant is the suspected perpetrator), conditions in the country of origin and conditions in the recipient country. Simply looking at the conditions that these people lived in in Sweden already shows that the socioeconomic factors cause twice as many people to commit crimes, which indicated that the country of origin might not be the main issue, but instead the condition in vulnerable areas in Sweden, which brings me to my third slightly related point.
No-go zones in Sweden
Claim: Sweden has multiple no-go zones
While we're at it I might dispel this notion aswell. Supposedly Sweden has a bunch of areas where the police don't go and where criminals control everything.
Explanation: Sweden has a bunch of so called "vulnerable areas" that experience a higher level of social unrest and alienation
Once again I refer you to the government article, but these areas are in no way as bad as some people make them out to be. I personally used to live right next to one of these areas and would regularly walk through there day and night, and I know many people who lived in the areas with no fear to their own safety, men and women. The Wikipedia page on these areas is pretty good, even though certain sources they use have been heavily critizised in Sweden (especially [3]). I'm gonna leave it at that since it wasn't the main focus of this comment.
Sources
Here is the official police report on the matter, which states the following criterion when it comes to categorizing these areas:
Summary
Sweden is facing many issues. Things have gotten worse, and something has to be done about it, but that doesn't mean that Sweden has more rapes than equivalent countries or that Sweden is less safe than other countries (I seriously spoke to people who compared Sweden to Syria and Somalia). Sweden is still a safe country experiencing high economic growth.
1 WikiTextBot 2017-12-19
Vulnerable area
Vulnerable area (sv: Utsatt område) is a term applied by police in Sweden to areas with high crime rates and social deprivation. In the December 2015 report, these areas numbered 53. In the June 2017 report, these totalled 61.
All the areas are situated south of the town of Gävle and most most are areas constructed during Million Programme (MP), although there are towns north of Gävle having MP areas they do not experience the crime rate of some southern MP areas.
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1 shallowm 2017-12-19
This is terrible logic. It seems like you're assuming that the reason people rape is because they're Muslim (also you're ignoring that Sweden doesn't release the ethnicity/religion of criminals, I noticed that in the linked thread, people just assumed that was the cause because "refugees came here around the same time"). Yes, it's allowed in Islamic texts to have sex with your slaves, but saying "Yeah, that's why they rape people" is a big jump. Rapists aren't jumping to justify their rapes religiously, and it wouldn't apply anyway (since random women ≠ slaves).
Using your logic, I could say that a male feminist would never rape anyone, since he left his misogynistic ideology behind.
1 kiathrowaway92 2017-12-19
Mohammad, you know that you're still a 'Muslim' to most non-Muslims, right?
If you got accused of raping a white chick, you'd be on the front page of the_donald with people screaming "MUSLIM JIHADIST RAPES INFIDEL GIRL."
1 wsbking 2017-12-19
🤔🤔
1 TrumpEnergy 2017-12-19
He is our guy now, stop trying to take him back to your chucked ideology.
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-12-19
u/koniboni don't you worry, germany is only a couple years away from the cultural enrichment that malmo is currently enjoying
1 stevemisor 2017-12-19
I really fucking hate the "All news sources a shit so it dosn't matter if mine is shit!!" excuse that people use to post blogs and tabloids
Thats up there with "Wallstreet breaks laws so I can smash this ATM"
1 BigLordFigot 2017-12-19
If MSM won't report the news, then the fringe news has to.
1 ConsoleWarCriminal 2017-12-19
There are no "no go" zones in Sweden. There are a few "no means yes" zones though.
1 NardDogAndy 2017-12-19
You must be this halal to ride.
1 nanonan 2017-12-19
Don't you dare touch the halal possessions. You may only take the infidel for your pleasures.
1 kiathrowaway92 2017-12-19
Imagine getting upset about what's happening in some shithole in Sweden, while your women get raped and your country destroyed by blacks and Mexicants.
smh, Amerifats. Every single inner city in your country is a no-go zone for whites, but you do nothing about it.
1 nanonan 2017-12-19
Imagine assuming everyone on the internet is American like your own fat arse. Go project your self loathing somewhere else.
1 TrumpGolfCourse12 2017-12-19
tfw you're a Moroccan drug dealer who smokes crack, bangs chicks left and right, and has never been inside a mosque but conservatives still keep trying to depict you as a devout Muslim
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
Tbh, the worst city in Sweden is still infinitely safer than any major American city.
But hey, getting raped by Tyrone and Juan is fine!
1 ConsoleWarCriminal 2017-12-19
Imagine spending your time between cleaning Britbong toilets defending noble Sweeden from 56%ers
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
First of all, I don't appreciate your anti-Polish racism. This isn't acceptable and I have half a mind to report you to the moderators of this forum.
Secondly, it's not about defending Sweden, it's about making sure Americucks understand that their country is a shithole that needs to be fixed.
1 Pepperglue 2017-12-19
Already working on it.
1 queerjihad 2017-12-19
/r/LemonScore the correct plural form of kafir is kuffar, you pleb.
1 JizzlamicState 2017-12-19
Too late mohammed will piss on you in your sleep.
1 queerjihad 2017-12-19
Kinky
1 BigLordFigot 2017-12-19
https://i.redd.it/82af9p0y3y401.jpg
1 kiathrowaway92 2017-12-19
Conservatives: Islam isn't a race.
Also conservatives: THIS ACT WAS WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY MOTIVATED BY ISLAM BECAUSE MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA ARE NON-WHITE
/u/LemonScore, when will you start referring to crimes committed by Mexicans and blacks - overwhelmingly Christian populations - as 'Christian crimes?'
1 18aidanme 2017-12-19
>muslims from Morroco to Indonesia commit terrorist attacks in the name of Islam
>must be culture!
1 kiathrowaway92 2017-12-19
No one's saying that Islamic terror doesn't exist.
It's just a bit strange that literally everything someone from certain ethnicities does is attributed to Islam. Even without knowing the person's beliefs.
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
It's not even about culture or religion.
I've seen posts on t_d where they try to attribute petty crimes (as in, the type of shit done by people of every demographic) to Islam because the guy who committed it looks sort of Middle Eastern.
1 18aidanme 2017-12-19
tbf if he looks middle eastern it probably was his motivation, most middle easterners in the US are Christian but all the crazy murderous ones are probably Islamic.
Pretty sure people actually did that to the Irish.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
I don't remember Jesus being a warlord pedophile slaver that literally ordered men to rape defenceless civilians, like the Muslim prophet did. So it's difficult to see a connections between Christianity and violence. And it's pretty telling that you consider black and Latino Americans to be a separate culture like Islam is to western Europe: careful, leftist, your secret racism is showing.
And since when is there a shortage of leftist retards like yourself hating on Christians? "Buh whatabout Christians?!" is pretty much the rallying cry of you fucktards anytime Muslims do anything wrong. "Muslims massacred another village, but whatabout right-wing Christians?!: they don't want gay marriage and won't let trans people use a bathroom!"
1 kiathrowaway92 2017-12-19
Nah, he was a Roman rebel who catapulted pigs off a cliff, beat the shit out of Jewish bankers, and said that any city that didn't accept his message would burn in eternal hellfire.
I'd recommend you actually read the bible.
So you're saying that blacks and Mexicans have the same culture as white Americans?
You must be sheltered.
hahahahaha
It's very telling that your view of right-wing Christians is just 'not telling homos in bathrooms' and not the ones massacring innocents in Africa or the Catholic cartels in South America.
Face it, Trumpcuck. You're fine with being raped and murdered by Christians. It's sad.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
So not a warlord and pedophile, then.
Yeah, I remember those verses in the bible telling people to smuggle condoms full of cocaine over the border form child-soldier rape squads.
You got me, the jigs up! It's the norse blood in me, a single drop of Swedish is enough to make a rapecuck.
1 Gothmog26 2017-12-19
Remember, don't downvote the lolcows, even if he is a filth infidel.
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
Except for the last 2000 years of Christian history.
Right-wing Christians are doing the exact same thing:
https://www.dailysabah.com/africa/2017/10/14/christian-anti-balaka-militants-kill-25-worshippers-in-mosque-in-central-african-republic
Where is the Christian condemnation? Why aren't you taking to the streets to protest the actions of your brothers in Christ?
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
Oh, look, someone trying to paint reprisal attacks in response to Muslim violence as Muslims being the victims, as usual. And it's the same thing wherever Muslims are "victims" of violence.
For example, the recent "ethnic cleansing" against the poor Muslims in Burma: the Rohingya Muslims are invaders from the land that's now owned by Bangladesh. They invaded and began raping and murdering their way through the native's territory. The land that they're occupying was forcefully taken through genocide and now the natives are finally forcing them off their land.
1 throwawayforpoland12 2017-12-19
Islam's not a culture. It's a religion. A religion that - thought it triggers you to accept this - is based heavily on Christianity.
Christians and Muslims in Lebanon have the same culture as each other. Similarly, a Bosnian Muslim has more in common with a Croatian Christian than he does with a Pakistani Muslim.
Most of the 'Muslims' (if you actually bothered to interact with one, you'd know that most don't give a shit about religion)in France are from former French colonies that are influenced heavily by France and French culture. Algerians, Ivorians, etc. All of them speak French natively.
And yeah, Mexicans definitely do have a different culture to Americans. And black Americans have a hugely different culture to white Americans.
You seem to view the world in this very strange 'us vs them' light. You and ISIS have that in common. That's not how the world works. People are individuals. Most people who are 'Muslims' are literally only Muslim because they were born into it, not out of any ideological devotion to some ancient book. A book that you clearly have no nuanced understanding of.
Take a break from the internet. Go outside, get some fresh air. You're clearly not in a good place mentally or emotionally. Maybe try asking an Imam or something about Islam? You know, to get a good understanding of it from their side and not just the side of the people who despise them.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
Go over to /r/islam and ask them whether Islam is based on Christianity.
Yeah, those Bosnian Muslims are know for getting along with Christians. Where are you getting this shit? This is ridiculous even by leftist standards.
I can't be bothered going through your post history, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this attitude towards Muslims isn't shared when you talk and think about people with different political beliefs to you.
I seriously can't tell whether you're trolling or really this ignorant.
You can resolve your own arguments very easily; just make a thread in /r/islam and ask them about your claims. They really like having people interested in their religion ask questions, you'll be welcomed there.
I'm serious: ask them about Islam's roots and how much of it is from Christianity. Ask them whether they actually believe their religion or whether they just pretend. Ask them how secular fucking North Africa is.
It seems like a pretty easy way to get evidence to throw back in my face: show me how wrong I am and make some new Muslim friends.
Mention this part, specifically: "not out of any ideological devotion to some ancient book"
1 Koolin123 2017-12-19
/u/LemonScore - reminder that the worst city in Western and Northern Europe is still safer and less crime-ridden than every US inner city area.
Reminder that blacks and Mexicans rape and pillage your country every day, and you do nothing about it.
Reminder that you have a murder rate higher than Egypt.
Reminder that your country is going to be Mexican majority by 2050.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
Not exactly selling me on cultural diversity there, cuck, given the demographics of those areas.
I'm not American, but there's plenty of Muslim rape in my country so I guess the point still stands.
1 polandthrowaway619 2017-12-19
Yeah, mostly devout Christians. ;)
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
/u/BullshitInFinance "The news of these rapes is true, but the paper reporting them is what I consider 'unreliable,' so please disregard it"
You know, I think it would actually be slightly better, on a moral level, if you were being paid to cover up these rapes instead of just doing it for free because you'[re leftist trash.
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1 BullshitInFinance 2017-12-19
Wait what? I'm a leftist?
What the fuck?
Aftonbladet is a socialist newspaper.
And I was just commenting on the absurdity of using it as an example of a reliable source.
It's like if somebody says "oh yeah, you think it's not true? Well, here's a Breitbart article that shows it is!"
These events happened. I would never deny they didn't.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
I always lol at people who say living in Sweden is bad, ever been to a 3rd world bro?
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
Ever wonder why third-world countries are the way they are, bro? Because of the people living in them. You bring those people to your country and, bit by bit, your country gets worse and worse.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
No its not, its pretty simple most of first world started as industrialised so they have a massive head start, its like starting with level 100 and beating the level 1 guys and saying you are better somehow, it's like rich vs poor, the rich keep being rich due to advantages you get for being rich.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
What head start? Humans have all been around for the same amount of time.
By "head start" you mean that some countries developed technology before others, but that excuse doesn't make sense when you consider that the cultures that didn't develop often had better resources in their vicinity than those that did. Africa, southern Africa in particular, has enormousness mineral deposited and abundant food sources relative to Europe. They had as much of an opportunity to "industrialise" as anywhere else.
And the countries that most of the new waves of "refugees" come from are Arab countries. Arab development was on-par with Europeans until about a hundred years ago.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
Most of these resources mines are owned by first world nations and any kind of nationalised results in coups backed by west look what happened to democratically elected leader in iran. And the borders of african nations were drawn by Europeans without concern for ethnicity of people resulting in constant wars. Also there are factors like resource curse, countries with more resources generally results in more wars. The west has unbelievable advantages in today's economy they make the rules that we have to play with, dont act like 3rd world people are inferior in some way.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
You were trying to say that these nations didn't have the opportunity to develop, those resources were open for the taking but the natives never capitalised on them.
African tribes and the Arab states have been going to war with each other forever. Literally the first thing the Muslims did after their prophet died was start fighting each other.
I'm not allowed to act like they're inferior, but at the same time you want me to admit that the west is superior and created an unfair advantage?
Here's a redpill for you: every tribe and nation in the world tries to dominate their neighbours and take territory. The Arabs, the Chinese, the Turks, Africans, Asians, whites everybody. Some groups were better at than others. Importing the failed cultures into our successful ones doesn't benefit us, they're dragging us down with them.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
You only hate them cause they steal your women. And you can't get your dick wet.
1 LemonScore 2017-12-19
No, I hate them because of all the rape and violence, as well as their drain on the welfare state.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
So you hate them cause they take your welfare money.
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2017-12-19
South Korea is where they are today from a place below Somalia in the 60s.
1 kingofthehill5 2017-12-19
They got a lot of support being western allies/puppet, lots of investment, sharing of technology same as Japan.
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2017-12-19
A lot of other countries also got enormous advantages. Egypt gets $2.5B in American aid every year, for example. South Korea was ravaged by decades of Japanese occupation, a civil war and conditions so bad that their governments had to make up things like the fan myth to conserve electricity. They are still a first world country today. Hell, North Korea was ahead of them for the most part thanks to enormous Soviet/Chinese aid but look how hard they pulled ahead since the 90s.
You also have other examples. Taiwan comes to mind, imagine having literally China's major foreign policy objective being your destruction and, from that condition, not only surviving and thriving. Look at Vietnam, they were in a gigantic war till the 70s, starting from the 50s. Today, they are pulling ahead and will probably be in the middle income group with the other SEA countries within a few decades. Then there's other countries, Botswana for example. A sub Saharan African country with GDP/capita at $18,000 and medium HDI. They rose completely by their own merit, while their neighbours floundered around. Israel, literally the greatest enemy of the Muslim bloc, with all its neighbours having extremely hostile populaces even if some's government is tame.
1 fdfdasdfasdfasdf 2017-12-19
u fucking doorbell, the plural of kafir is kuffar. كافِر -> كُفّار