Nowadays, misbehaving children is a lot more common. They let their shits use crying and screaming as a tactic to get things they want rather than learning how to effectively communicate what they need.
I can't wait to have kids so I can be a normal functioning adult who leaves the restaurant when my baby starts crying instead of sitting there making a scene to show how good a parent I am by consoling the baby.
my son hasn't done that pitching a fit bullshit since he was an infant, he knows the moment he starts crying and whining when he doesn't get his way that i will bust his ass in the middle of the grocery store or wherever the fuck we are.
people are too afraid to discipline a toddler nowadays because they're afraid someone is going to say something is more the issue than them just letting it happen.
It’s posts like these that make me realize all the autistic fucks on here are real people, some of who actually have the mental capacity to engage in coitus and mother/father children.
I can't wait to have kids so I can be a normal functioning adult who leaves the restaurant when my baby starts crying instead of sitting there making a scene to show how good a parent I am by consoling the baby.
Oh great parenting. Leave it to others to nurture your hypothetical brat. Please consider sterilization
Just because you were looking for a positive outcome doesn't mean Zhe takes the kid. Hell, Zhe confesses to being a childless loser at this very moment. How do you know Zhe wouldn't leave the poorly raised screaming runt? Unhunh. That's what I thought.
I'm not sure who's worse in the childfree world. The men or the women.
I think the men are your standard autistic incels who are taking the position because no woman will want to have children with them anyway. The women are facing a similar denial, except they're either extremely narcissistic and/or extremely ugly, and far too materialistic.
Or maybe some of us believe that not everyone was meant to have children. At least not their own biological children.
The world is over-populated. The foster care system is overflowing with children that need homes.
Who are big families better for? Minivan manufacturers?
If you think the r/childfree posters are awful, you should see the r/raisedbynarcissists crowd. I firmly believe had all of those posters never been born, this world would be an infinitely better place. For us and them.
Or maybe some of us believe that not everyone was meant to have children.
And a lot of you say extremely mean things about innocent children, while not understanding a single lick about children or parenthood.
The world is over-populated.
In India and china, maybe a bit Europe, not in North Amerika.
If you can't love a child unless it's your own, then you can't love a child period and you shouldn't have them.
That is the dumbest thing you said. For one it ignores that love can not be quantified. Second it ignores everything we know behavioral evolution and evolutionary psychology. You are literally saying biology does everything wrong.
Who are big families better for?
The parents and the kids. As the product can become the best social safety net in existence.
I firmly believe had all of those posters never been born, this world would be an infinitely better place.
Ask them if they wished they had never been born instead of denying them the pleasure to ever have lived.
I suffer from extreme alcoholism and occasional depression.
If you are so fucking unstable and fucked in the head, Maybe you souldn't give your unstable and fucked in the head opinions on child rearing because you don't have a fucking clue.
Here , read smarter people then me debate it. Plenty of studies linked They all say the same thing. Nothing redpill about what I said. SO You are still wrong.
The Selfish Gene is a 1976 book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, in which the author builds upon the principal theory of George C. Williams's Adaptation and Natural Selection (1966). Dawkins uses the term "selfish gene" as a way of expressing the gene-centred view of evolution as opposed to the views focused on the organism and the group, popularising ideas developed during the 1960s by W. D. Hamilton and others. From the gene-centred view, it follows that the more two individuals are genetically related, the more sense (at the level of the genes) it makes for them to behave selflessly with each other.
A lineage is expected to evolve to maximise its inclusive fitness—the number of copies of its genes passed on globally (rather than by a particular individual).
Evolutionary game theory
Evolutionary game theory (EGT) is the application of game theory to evolving populations in biology. It defines a framework of contests, strategies, and analytics into which Darwinian competition can be modelled. It originated in 1973 with John Maynard Smith and George R. Price's formalisation of contests, analysed as strategies, and the mathematical criteria that can be used to predict the results of competing strategies.
Evolutionary game theory differs from classical game theory in focusing more on the dynamics of strategy change.
Behavioral ecology
Behavioral ecology, also spelled behavioural ecology, is the study of the evolutionary basis for animal behavior due to ecological pressures. Behavioral ecology emerged from ethology after Niko Tinbergen outlined four questions to address when studying animal behavior which are the proximate causes, ontogeny, survival value, and phylogeny of behavior.
If an organism has a trait which provides a selective advantage (i.e. has an adaptive significance) in its environment, then natural selection will favor it.
I specifically asked for a resource supporting your claim that a parent is less able to love an adopted child than a biological one.
This study would also have to refute the conclusions of contemporary research suggesting that, when family background is controlled for, there is no difference between adoptive vs biological families when it comes to outcomes for parents or children, such as:
I never said they were less able In general. However I do refute that someone is unable to love their own children because they can’t see themselves loving someone’s else’s children.
However I do refute that someone is unable to love their own children because they can’t see themselves loving someone’s else’s children.
Oh, yeah. In that case that would be a silly claim to make.
Still, though, I think that one of the best ways to decide whether or not you might want to have children is to have some experience dealing with kids. I understand that the instinctive attachment process is pretty powerful but if you can't even bring yourself to enjoy or at least tolerate being, say, a babysitter or elementary school teacher, then IMO you'd be advised to consider other options.
Because although there are plenty of stories of people being absolutely sure they never wanted children and then changing their minds when they hold their kid for the first time and the hormones kick in, there are also just as many stories of people who had always been absolutely sure that they did want kids never feeling that sense of attachment towards their offspring. Instinct is universal, but the subjective experience of instinct differs from person to person, and as a result some people will just never feel that parental drive.
So because there's an inherent unpredictability there, I would just defer to the wisdom that the only reliable predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and in this case if the past behavior is that being around children doesn't make you happy and you can't even put up with being around a children for half an hour in a restaurant then maybe you should take that as a cue that parenting isn't for you.
Exactly. I wonder if u/Pizzashill knows that toddlers killed more people than terrorists this year. They basically are unemployed losers who can’t speak English. SAD!
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-12-29
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1 pizzashill 2017-12-29
I don't get how people hate babies. There are tons of these people out there that just throw a tantrum about kids in public.
There's an entire little culture these people have and they're just insufferable.
"DINKS" and the "childfree" community are just cancer.
1 makes_people_cringe 2017-12-29
Nowadays, misbehaving children is a lot more common. They let their shits use crying and screaming as a tactic to get things they want rather than learning how to effectively communicate what they need.
I can't wait to have kids so I can be a normal functioning adult who leaves the restaurant when my baby starts crying instead of sitting there making a scene to show how good a parent I am by consoling the baby.
1 do0rkn0b 2017-12-29
my son hasn't done that pitching a fit bullshit since he was an infant, he knows the moment he starts crying and whining when he doesn't get his way that i will bust his ass in the middle of the grocery store or wherever the fuck we are.
people are too afraid to discipline a toddler nowadays because they're afraid someone is going to say something is more the issue than them just letting it happen.
1 GunOfSod 2017-12-29
Scare the crying out of them. That'll learn em.
1 do0rkn0b 2017-12-29
Absolutely.
1 Yiin 2017-12-29
It worked for thousands of years.
1 do0rkn0b 2017-12-29
well yeah.
1 Mr_Americas 2017-12-29
It’s posts like these that make me realize all the autistic fucks on here are real people, some of who actually have the mental capacity to engage in coitus and mother/father children.
1 Yiin 2017-12-29
It's posts like these that makes me think 'Why would you ever care?'
1 starship_litterbox 2017-12-29
Big if true.
1 Greatpointbut 2017-12-29
Oh great parenting. Leave it to others to nurture your hypothetical brat. Please consider sterilization
1 uniqueguy263 2017-12-29
You're an idiot who doesn't see incredibly obvious subtext. He takes the baby duh
1 Greatpointbut 2017-12-29
Not nice.
Just because you were looking for a positive outcome doesn't mean Zhe takes the kid. Hell, Zhe confesses to being a childless loser at this very moment. How do you know Zhe wouldn't leave the poorly raised screaming runt? Unhunh. That's what I thought.
1 GunOfSod 2017-12-29
Can you tell us more about how kids used to behave in the 2010's?
1 makes_people_cringe 2017-12-29
Yes. They were much better. But not as good as the kids from the late 90's
1 do0rkn0b 2017-12-29
you don't want most of those morons to breed anyway.
1 TheEquimanthorn 2017-12-29
I'm not sure who's worse in the childfree world. The men or the women.
I think the men are your standard autistic incels who are taking the position because no woman will want to have children with them anyway. The women are facing a similar denial, except they're either extremely narcissistic and/or extremely ugly, and far too materialistic.
Big families are better, that's for sure.
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
Or maybe some of us believe that not everyone was meant to have children. At least not their own biological children.
The world is over-populated. The foster care system is overflowing with children that need homes.
Who are big families better for? Minivan manufacturers?
If you think the r/childfree posters are awful, you should see the r/raisedbynarcissists crowd. I firmly believe had all of those posters never been born, this world would be an infinitely better place. For us and them.
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
And a lot of you say extremely mean things about innocent children, while not understanding a single lick about children or parenthood.
In India and china, maybe a bit Europe, not in North Amerika.
That is the dumbest thing you said. For one it ignores that love can not be quantified. Second it ignores everything we know behavioral evolution and evolutionary psychology. You are literally saying biology does everything wrong.
The parents and the kids. As the product can become the best social safety net in existence.
Ask them if they wished they had never been born instead of denying them the pleasure to ever have lived.
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
You are dumb as fuck and I no longer wish to engage in further conversation with you.
1 TheEquimanthorn 2017-12-29
Uggo barren utereus confirmed.
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
lol...I am far from ugly and I truly believe that not everyone was meant to have children.
I suffer from extreme alcoholism and occasional depression. Why the fuck should I risk passing that gene down?
Fucked up people having babies just produces fucked up babies that continue the cycle. Ewwww and no thank you.
1 Thestateyest 2017-12-29
So you’re not dinks, you’re self-eugenizing?
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
No. I am not a complete narcissist seeking attention and redemption for my own mediocrity through my offspring.
1 Thestateyest 2017-12-29
“I vill not breed az I have inferior genes, ist verboten!” Whatever you say, as long as you keep that shit to yourself, mini-Goebbels
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
This is r/drama so I will say whatever I damn well please.
Are you a shitty parent or a product of shitty parents?
1 Thestateyest 2017-12-29
I’m not the world’s worst nazi, so I’m doing pretty good, actually
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
Answer the question!!!!
1 Thestateyest 2017-12-29
What question?
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
If you are so fucking unstable and fucked in the head, Maybe you souldn't give your unstable and fucked in the head opinions on child rearing because you don't have a fucking clue.
1 FucksGuysWithAccents 2017-12-29
If you have such poor reading comprehension skills, maybe you shouldn't be trying to argue online.
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
You say your fucked in the head. Then you give your fucked in the head opinions. There is not much to misread there.
1 aleph473 2017-12-29
redpill me on the biotroofs.
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
Yes yes, saying people are more easily disposed towards offspring they know is of their making. Soooooo redpill.
1 aleph473 2017-12-29
That must be why parents never abuse their biological children, surely.
Or might you have a study somewhere backing this up?
Of course it's real. And you'll love hearing what the primary cause is, I'm sure.
http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2009/jul/family-planning-major-environmental-emphasis
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_game_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_ecology
Here , read smarter people then me debate it. Plenty of studies linked They all say the same thing. Nothing redpill about what I said. SO You are still wrong.
1 WikiTextBot 2017-12-29
The Selfish Gene
The Selfish Gene is a 1976 book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, in which the author builds upon the principal theory of George C. Williams's Adaptation and Natural Selection (1966). Dawkins uses the term "selfish gene" as a way of expressing the gene-centred view of evolution as opposed to the views focused on the organism and the group, popularising ideas developed during the 1960s by W. D. Hamilton and others. From the gene-centred view, it follows that the more two individuals are genetically related, the more sense (at the level of the genes) it makes for them to behave selflessly with each other.
A lineage is expected to evolve to maximise its inclusive fitness—the number of copies of its genes passed on globally (rather than by a particular individual).
Evolutionary game theory
Evolutionary game theory (EGT) is the application of game theory to evolving populations in biology. It defines a framework of contests, strategies, and analytics into which Darwinian competition can be modelled. It originated in 1973 with John Maynard Smith and George R. Price's formalisation of contests, analysed as strategies, and the mathematical criteria that can be used to predict the results of competing strategies.
Evolutionary game theory differs from classical game theory in focusing more on the dynamics of strategy change.
Behavioral ecology
Behavioral ecology, also spelled behavioural ecology, is the study of the evolutionary basis for animal behavior due to ecological pressures. Behavioral ecology emerged from ethology after Niko Tinbergen outlined four questions to address when studying animal behavior which are the proximate causes, ontogeny, survival value, and phylogeny of behavior.
If an organism has a trait which provides a selective advantage (i.e. has an adaptive significance) in its environment, then natural selection will favor it.
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1 aleph473 2017-12-29
Dude, I understand how evolution works.
I specifically asked for a resource supporting your claim that a parent is less able to love an adopted child than a biological one.
This study would also have to refute the conclusions of contemporary research suggesting that, when family background is controlled for, there is no difference between adoptive vs biological families when it comes to outcomes for parents or children, such as:
http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/L_Borders_Are_1998.pdf (see section V, "Conclusion").
http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/L_Borders_Are_1998.pdf (See "Results" and "Discussion")
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
I never said they were less able In general. However I do refute that someone is unable to love their own children because they can’t see themselves loving someone’s else’s children.
1 aleph473 2017-12-29
Oh, yeah. In that case that would be a silly claim to make.
Still, though, I think that one of the best ways to decide whether or not you might want to have children is to have some experience dealing with kids. I understand that the instinctive attachment process is pretty powerful but if you can't even bring yourself to enjoy or at least tolerate being, say, a babysitter or elementary school teacher, then IMO you'd be advised to consider other options.
Because although there are plenty of stories of people being absolutely sure they never wanted children and then changing their minds when they hold their kid for the first time and the hormones kick in, there are also just as many stories of people who had always been absolutely sure that they did want kids never feeling that sense of attachment towards their offspring. Instinct is universal, but the subjective experience of instinct differs from person to person, and as a result some people will just never feel that parental drive.
So because there's an inherent unpredictability there, I would just defer to the wisdom that the only reliable predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and in this case if the past behavior is that being around children doesn't make you happy and you can't even put up with being around a children for half an hour in a restaurant then maybe you should take that as a cue that parenting isn't for you.
1 zwiebelhans 2017-12-29
I find absolutely nothing in what you just said that I disagree with.
1 baaaaby 2017-12-29
name one thing a stupid baby has ever done for society. they cant even talk
1 PoorLilMarco 2017-12-29
Hitler used to be a baby
1 Mr_Americas 2017-12-29
Does chronic masturbation count as breeding
1 Yiin 2017-12-29
You probably save it. So potentially?
1 aliceunknown 2017-12-29
Exactly. I wonder if u/Pizzashill knows that toddlers killed more people than terrorists this year. They basically are unemployed losers who can’t speak English. SAD!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-12-29
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1 aleph473 2017-12-29
They'd wake me up, piss me off, stress me out, cost me money, and get in the way of my career.
Die angry about it.
1 AM1520 2017-12-29
Killallbabies
1 AnOrangeDot 2017-12-29
Anybody that hates babies probably shouldn't be having them anyways, and might want to get their head checked.
1 cuck_the_fucks 2017-12-29
You need a gussy check.
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