My sensei, myself and 3 other guys from the dojo went out in Newport Beach for the night for a few drinks. I leaned across the bar to try to get the attention of the bar tender when .... whack.
Punched right in the side of the head, pulled my hands up to guard and tried to get space to assess my attacker. BAM smacked again around my gaurd on the side of my head. Looked through my raised arms...... IT WAS A WOMAN (and a MUCH larger one at that)
Sensei steps in between us and tries to calm her down (he is the epitome of the 'spiritual martial artist' and BAM, punches him right int he nose. "Ok, I see your upset, but seriously what happened and how can we fix this?" he says, BAM, hits him again square in the nose.
Behind us, two bouncers immediately grab us and thow us outside to police officers waiting with hand cuffs. At this point my confusion is beyond belief, as the cop asks me to turn around. I refuse and demand to know, as is my right, what I am being arrested for.
"He grabbed a womans' breasts inside the bar."
Thankfully I am well educated and connected with several friends who are lawyers, I step back from the situation immediately dialing my attorney and DEMANDING to see the officers badge numbers, their names, the security cameras showing the instance that happened and the names of the bouncers who used excessive force in a situation they had no clue of what was going on.
1:30 AM and any friend I have who is an attorney knows there is a problem, he answers "Are you ok?" I quickly tell him the story and he says to hand the phone to the officers.
The officer IMMEDIATELY puts his cuffs away and takes several steps backwards. I look back and the bouncers are literally gone. The officer then says, "Why don't you just go home and call it a night, it's been a rough one for you guys." with a chuckle. As you can see knott on the side of my head and my senseis broken nose is dripping blood.
"Your not going to look into this action of assault?"
His answer? "No." That was it.
I love the police, I am all for the police, but I know they are stuck between a rock and a hard spot and from the friends who I have who are officers, it seems they soon will just stop policing certain areas.
But we all go back to the dojo and try to remember WTF happened, literally nothing. My back was turned to the woman, my left hand down near my pocket, my right hand in the air trying to wave to the bartender for a drink, whack, right in the side of the head.
This type of violence is a typical story that those on the Right can say have happened to them 10 to 1, vs those from the Left. This cannot go on forever and we are getting sick of it.
I do watch my language, very carefully. I want to discuss things calmly and I want to continue to keep the culture we have so my business can continue to grow and I can reach my eventual goals.
But my freedom is more important than my business or really anything else I can think of. I do not want violence, but sure as hell am ready.
I have been very successful at creating a monster inside of me and even BETTER at being able to control that monster from coming out. But as the frustration builds more and more people like myself are preparing for an eventual reality that a lot of people including Jordan see coming.
From his last Joe Interview: "Bad as that is and rife with conflict as that is, the alternative is to separate into two camps that don't talk. The consequences of not talking is that you fight, that's the end game. The only way you can stop from fighting with other people is by negotiating with them." We tried talking, we tried negotiating, yet she kept pushing on for physical confrontation that was completely made up or at best a mistake. But if it was a mistake, wouldn't she have been open to dialogue?
Did she negotiate with me? Hilariously enough, she negotiated with me in a subject I have now been versed in for 14 years and because she was a woman, I still held the monster back.
I am not starting anything and most people on the Right are not either. For people like JimJaz to altruistically try and continue to keep the dialogue going is absolutely the best approach and hopefully it does work.
The Left needs to be aware that they have been given enough leverage. I have a STEM degree and a STEM masters, own a technology company and hire 16 people, you think I want my world blown up? But if that is what has to happen, it will.
Impossible to say as it depends on the size, speed and style of fighter you are going against, assuming we are talking hand to hand only.
First BB was in Shorin Ryu and second degree focused more on Shotokan. While there are no "belts" in Muay Thai, I trained with a professional fighter who was on the circuits all over the world for 4-5 years and awarded me my "third bb" in Muay Thai (honorary of course).
As I am getting older, getting in the cage simply hurts too much for too long, so I have been focusing on BJJ and am up to my Blue belt now! Go me!
My weakness was always wrestlers just because it is such a "controlling" discipline, I have found personally to drop to my gaurd against them as it puts them in an awkward position they are not used to. As an old soccer player, I also have extremely good leg strength so am able to utilize a lot of the strategies from this position.
I going to need you to calm down and stop throwing accusations around. I'll have you know I'm a blackbelt in Mexican Judo, as in Judo-know which of my cousins I'm bringing with me to kick your ass, and I'm not scared of some 36 year old incel.
So you either tread carefully, or you'll suffer the consequences, don't take it personnel kid.
/u/watchingcluturefade I will gladly lay down my life beside you, brother. In the raging tides of war I would pledge my sword alongside yours, till the end.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that. We need to try to be able to create open lines of communication with those we do not agree with.
I watched my far Right LITERALLY SEETHE with hatred towards Obama
Now I see my far Left friends doing the same (but amplified) towards Trump.
Unless we can ease these dialogues down, we are going to hit the tipping point of violence. There are a lot of people like myself who sure as hell don't want that, but if it comes, so be it.
Wow, not sure how I ended up the topic of a post, lol, but sure!
At 36 I am proud of what I have accomplished, yet am told over and over that since I am not married I am failing and that I am too competitive or whatever else.
While I have been active on online forums for years, I have always avoided Reddit like the plague because it seems like an area where nothing happens but personal attacks, which has been proven here.
The crux of my post was to say that after seeing his interview with Cathy, I was shocked at how similar my ideals to his were.
"Creating a monster in yourself, but being able to control it" and being extremely anti-authoritarian are the main two. He also talks about how being able to discuss things openly and without hatred or violence is so important, because if that breaks down, violence WILL occur.
So that was basically the 'very small' part of a longer post, telling him that I have been fascinated to find that there is actually a majority of people who feel the same way. None of us want violence, but based on the personal attacks I seem to be getting I am not sure if there is going to be another way out of this hateful situation we seem to have found ourselves in.
The Right hates the Left and visa versa so much, that you cannot even have a discussion without people using slurs, personal attacks and condescending remarks to try to shut you up.
It is not working, look at how many people have now found Jordan Peterson and are following him. Go watch the Joe Rogan interviews. Of course I don't want violence, my company is finally getting to the place where I am making a ton of money, a war would really fuck that up for me.
But freedom is nothing to scoff at, laws that force us to do or say things are not what we all signed up for and if that is what it has to come to, then so be it. You will notice, I said several times that I sure hope it doesn't, but those with an agenda have obviously tried to even smear me and blast me however they can.
Trick is, I simply don't care, these little pokes and prods me nothing to me.
But I am happy to discuss things with anyone and to have open rational debate, just not with children who do nothing but personally attack others.
The feminists are afraid of me...I have seen their true face. The streets are extended safe-spaces and the safe-spaces are full of trigger warnings and when the echo-chambers finally flood with mansplaining, all the progressives will drown. The accumulated filth of all their political correctness and call-outs will foam up about their waists and all the PoC and genderqueers will look up and shout “Check your privilege!"... and I'll look down and whisper “No."
I am just hoping those on the Left will shut up with their angry and violent rants and actually open up a dialogue.
So far it seems like they will not, the amount of personal attacks I have taken from this is exactly what proves my point, hell I have already had two people tell me to kill myself.
lol, the hypocrisy is so thick you can barely walk through it.
I mean your trying....Wouldn't your time be better spent shoveling your money at say, a con artist who exploits insecure young men instead of spazzing out all over this thread like this?
Would you say you're more upset by Petersen's financial success, or by him being the first person in your entire life who bothered telling you to clean your room?
After looking at his/her post history you can obviously tell that is the goal.
She/he is a troll, someone who is meant to foment anger and hatred. The pendulum of the left crested in 2016, 2017 is where gravity slowly started to pull it back down. IF they are not careful it will be in freefall over the next few years.
Just look at Europe and how many governments are rapidly turning to Right wing governments.
If you haven’t watched the discussion, I suggest you do. There is NOTHING to rescind monetization except some kind of pre-discussed or decided opinion.
No bullshit, they talk about Christ vs Jews, drugs, free speech, etc. it’s really interesting
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1 Matues49 2018-02-02
Story time:
My sensei, myself and 3 other guys from the dojo went out in Newport Beach for the night for a few drinks. I leaned across the bar to try to get the attention of the bar tender when .... whack.
Punched right in the side of the head, pulled my hands up to guard and tried to get space to assess my attacker. BAM smacked again around my gaurd on the side of my head. Looked through my raised arms...... IT WAS A WOMAN (and a MUCH larger one at that)
Sensei steps in between us and tries to calm her down (he is the epitome of the 'spiritual martial artist' and BAM, punches him right int he nose. "Ok, I see your upset, but seriously what happened and how can we fix this?" he says, BAM, hits him again square in the nose.
Behind us, two bouncers immediately grab us and thow us outside to police officers waiting with hand cuffs. At this point my confusion is beyond belief, as the cop asks me to turn around. I refuse and demand to know, as is my right, what I am being arrested for.
"He grabbed a womans' breasts inside the bar."
Thankfully I am well educated and connected with several friends who are lawyers, I step back from the situation immediately dialing my attorney and DEMANDING to see the officers badge numbers, their names, the security cameras showing the instance that happened and the names of the bouncers who used excessive force in a situation they had no clue of what was going on.
1:30 AM and any friend I have who is an attorney knows there is a problem, he answers "Are you ok?" I quickly tell him the story and he says to hand the phone to the officers.
The officer IMMEDIATELY puts his cuffs away and takes several steps backwards. I look back and the bouncers are literally gone. The officer then says, "Why don't you just go home and call it a night, it's been a rough one for you guys." with a chuckle. As you can see knott on the side of my head and my senseis broken nose is dripping blood.
"Your not going to look into this action of assault?"
His answer? "No." That was it.
I love the police, I am all for the police, but I know they are stuck between a rock and a hard spot and from the friends who I have who are officers, it seems they soon will just stop policing certain areas.
But we all go back to the dojo and try to remember WTF happened, literally nothing. My back was turned to the woman, my left hand down near my pocket, my right hand in the air trying to wave to the bartender for a drink, whack, right in the side of the head.
This type of violence is a typical story that those on the Right can say have happened to them 10 to 1, vs those from the Left. This cannot go on forever and we are getting sick of it.
I do watch my language, very carefully. I want to discuss things calmly and I want to continue to keep the culture we have so my business can continue to grow and I can reach my eventual goals.
But my freedom is more important than my business or really anything else I can think of. I do not want violence, but sure as hell am ready.
I have been very successful at creating a monster inside of me and even BETTER at being able to control that monster from coming out. But as the frustration builds more and more people like myself are preparing for an eventual reality that a lot of people including Jordan see coming.
From his last Joe Interview: "Bad as that is and rife with conflict as that is, the alternative is to separate into two camps that don't talk. The consequences of not talking is that you fight, that's the end game. The only way you can stop from fighting with other people is by negotiating with them." We tried talking, we tried negotiating, yet she kept pushing on for physical confrontation that was completely made up or at best a mistake. But if it was a mistake, wouldn't she have been open to dialogue?
Did she negotiate with me? Hilariously enough, she negotiated with me in a subject I have now been versed in for 14 years and because she was a woman, I still held the monster back.
I am not starting anything and most people on the Right are not either. For people like JimJaz to altruistically try and continue to keep the dialogue going is absolutely the best approach and hopefully it does work.
The Left needs to be aware that they have been given enough leverage. I have a STEM degree and a STEM masters, own a technology company and hire 16 people, you think I want my world blown up? But if that is what has to happen, it will.
1 MG87 2018-02-02
/r/thathappened
1 scatmunchies 2018-02-02
Beta males, each and every one of them.
1 Nerdlinger 2018-02-02
Personal attack noted, this is what we are talking about.
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
/u/Watchingculturefade ey, come here, lemme talk to you.
(Fucking reddit having me resort to hood tactics)
1 snappleteadrink 2018-02-02
Yo where yo from
1 backltrack 2018-02-02
Is this how a mugging starts in the hood?
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2018-02-02
/u/watchingcluturefade in this day and age, what kind of combat skills do you think are the most effective? (Assuming hand to hand combat)
1 scatmunchies 2018-02-02
I bet one of them is the reach around.
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Impossible to say as it depends on the size, speed and style of fighter you are going against, assuming we are talking hand to hand only.
First BB was in Shorin Ryu and second degree focused more on Shotokan. While there are no "belts" in Muay Thai, I trained with a professional fighter who was on the circuits all over the world for 4-5 years and awarded me my "third bb" in Muay Thai (honorary of course).
As I am getting older, getting in the cage simply hurts too much for too long, so I have been focusing on BJJ and am up to my Blue belt now! Go me!
My weakness was always wrestlers just because it is such a "controlling" discipline, I have found personally to drop to my gaurd against them as it puts them in an awkward position they are not used to. As an old soccer player, I also have extremely good leg strength so am able to utilize a lot of the strategies from this position.
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
So you're saying your weakness is men humping you from behind, so you'd rather play to your strengths and force missionary...
Gonna gay sex them to death, good plan.
Death by Bussy.
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Mmm, another person who is looking to foment anger. Never seen this before lol
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
Damn, why you gotta call me an angry brown dude. That's racist.
I didn't call you a unseasoned chicken eating soyboy.
Chill with the stereotypes.
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Huh? Where do you see the word brown anywhere in my post?
Fucking liar
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
I going to need you to calm down and stop throwing accusations around. I'll have you know I'm a blackbelt in Mexican Judo, as in Judo-know which of my cousins I'm bringing with me to kick your ass, and I'm not scared of some 36 year old incel.
So you either tread carefully, or you'll suffer the consequences, don't take it personnel kid.
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Stop lying you liar, no body cares
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
Wow, you'll be the first person I come for during the Mayocide.
1 backltrack 2018-02-02
Mexicans are white.
1 WarSanchez 2018-02-02
I am willing to take one for the team!
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
Wow, calling him a lying Mexican now? Reported
1 Ranilen 2018-02-02
Quit stealth editing your racism out of posts. I've already reported you with screenshots.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-02-02
Clean your bussy.
1 Ylajali_2002 2018-02-02
literally two posts above you said
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2018-02-02
Does the moron seriously think Muslims are Pagans? REEEEEEEE KILL ALL ABRAHAMICS.
1 xjapxn 2018-02-02
/u/lilpoundcake gib "foments anger" flair please and thank you
1 bigblackkittie 2018-02-02
hadouken!!
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2018-02-02
hey /u/honk4tits, haven't you been focusing on that too? /u/shallowm you too no?
1 shallowm 2018-02-02
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Not really, I don't think I've mentioned it.
1 Honk4Tits 2018-02-02
No i never tried martial arts i just hulk smash people.
1 Ed__ButteredToast 2018-02-02
🤦‍♀️
1 MG87 2018-02-02
/r/Iamverybadass
1 JohnBlind 2018-02-02
MT champions that fight outside of Lumpinee are garbage fam, you got scammed
1 80BAIT08 2018-02-02
/u/watchingcluturefade I will gladly lay down my life beside you, brother. In the raging tides of war I would pledge my sword alongside yours, till the end.
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Hopefully it doesn't come to that. We need to try to be able to create open lines of communication with those we do not agree with.
I watched my far Right LITERALLY SEETHE with hatred towards Obama
Now I see my far Left friends doing the same (but amplified) towards Trump.
Unless we can ease these dialogues down, we are going to hit the tipping point of violence. There are a lot of people like myself who sure as hell don't want that, but if it comes, so be it.
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
I'm reminded of a character from a booki once read....
1 ay_what_up2 2018-02-02
lol shut up nerd
1 WhiskeyWeekends 2018-02-02
Jesus Christ. You are remarkable tone deaf.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
/u/Watchingcluturefade you seem like a smart fella with interesting ideas. Tell us more
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Wow, not sure how I ended up the topic of a post, lol, but sure!
At 36 I am proud of what I have accomplished, yet am told over and over that since I am not married I am failing and that I am too competitive or whatever else.
While I have been active on online forums for years, I have always avoided Reddit like the plague because it seems like an area where nothing happens but personal attacks, which has been proven here.
The crux of my post was to say that after seeing his interview with Cathy, I was shocked at how similar my ideals to his were.
"Creating a monster in yourself, but being able to control it" and being extremely anti-authoritarian are the main two. He also talks about how being able to discuss things openly and without hatred or violence is so important, because if that breaks down, violence WILL occur.
So that was basically the 'very small' part of a longer post, telling him that I have been fascinated to find that there is actually a majority of people who feel the same way. None of us want violence, but based on the personal attacks I seem to be getting I am not sure if there is going to be another way out of this hateful situation we seem to have found ourselves in.
The Right hates the Left and visa versa so much, that you cannot even have a discussion without people using slurs, personal attacks and condescending remarks to try to shut you up.
It is not working, look at how many people have now found Jordan Peterson and are following him. Go watch the Joe Rogan interviews. Of course I don't want violence, my company is finally getting to the place where I am making a ton of money, a war would really fuck that up for me.
But freedom is nothing to scoff at, laws that force us to do or say things are not what we all signed up for and if that is what it has to come to, then so be it. You will notice, I said several times that I sure hope it doesn't, but those with an agenda have obviously tried to even smear me and blast me however they can.
Trick is, I simply don't care, these little pokes and prods me nothing to me.
But I am happy to discuss things with anyone and to have open rational debate, just not with children who do nothing but personally attack others.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
Seriously though, you're actually retarded and should do the world a favor by necking yourself
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
Ah, telling someone to kill themselves when they are trying to have a discussion with you. Welcome to Reddit folks
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
If I wanted to converse with a crackhead, I'd find a more entertaining one.
1 Yiin 2018-02-02
Or at least one who can keep it on the downlow.
1 snappleteadrink 2018-02-02
Yeah I mean you seriously come off as a crack head who got high and "figured everything out"
1 PalacesOfMontezuma 2018-02-02
The feminists are afraid of me...I have seen their true face. The streets are extended safe-spaces and the safe-spaces are full of trigger warnings and when the echo-chambers finally flood with mansplaining, all the progressives will drown. The accumulated filth of all their political correctness and call-outs will foam up about their waists and all the PoC and genderqueers will look up and shout “Check your privilege!"... and I'll look down and whisper “No."
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
I am just hoping those on the Left will shut up with their angry and violent rants and actually open up a dialogue.
So far it seems like they will not, the amount of personal attacks I have taken from this is exactly what proves my point, hell I have already had two people tell me to kill myself.
lol, the hypocrisy is so thick you can barely walk through it.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-02-02
You sound like a homeschooled kid who just discovered Ayn Rand in his first week at college. That's all.
1 ay_what_up2 2018-02-02
kill ur self
1 lincoln1222 2018-02-02
i think you should just save everything you've written today and come back in 3-5 years to read it w/a new perspective
1 westofthetracks 2018-02-02
you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
1 Ylajali_2002 2018-02-02
have you ever had sex?
1 -Mopsus- 2018-02-02
Holy shit, it's an actual adult who in the Jordan Peterson cult. I thought all of his followers were just teenagers and college freshman.
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
u/Bartlebyknowsit does insulting people on the internet make up for your failure to accomplish anything in real life?
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
Better clean your room lol.
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
Are you suffering some kind of medical emergency?
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
Yes! My Free speech has been stolen by imaginary marxists. Send help!
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
Do you have any other symptoms? Dizziness? Loss of balance? Frozen facial muscles? If so, you should seek immediate medical assistance.
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
I mean your trying....Wouldn't your time be better spent shoveling your money at say, a con artist who exploits insecure young men instead of spazzing out all over this thread like this?
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
I've literally never listened to Petersen in my life, but it is pretty fun watching you lose your shit over him again and again
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
I mean....you started talking to me, dummy. Remember? Remember doing that? What's next, gonna ask if I'm triggered?
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
Would you say you're more upset by Petersen's financial success, or by him being the first person in your entire life who bothered telling you to clean your room?
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
I thought you didn't know who he was. I seem to have upset you. Are you experiencing any medical issues?
1 nmx179 2018-02-02
I said I've never watched petersen; everything I know about the man comes from people like you acting hyperbolically butthurt about him
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
Yeah look at me, replying to your sad insults. How butthurt of me. So hyperbolic!(good word by the way)
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
you'll have to excuse /u/nmx179, he's our charity case if you know what I mean.
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
I appreciate all you've done here for shitposters everywhere. Been a fan for years.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-02-02
Now you're just trying to get in my pants
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-02-02
He doesn't even care what's down there.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-02-02
The guy you were arguing with in the other thread is retarded. Marxists are not imaginary though, please don't be a cuck.
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
Imaginary, no. Responsible for that guys woes? also no. Think up better insults than cuck though, or else people will know you're a pussy.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-02-02
Alright, I'm sorry you had to experience getting cucked by your dad. It must be traumatic, especially when he took your sister.
1 Bartlebyknowsit 2018-02-02
This seems to be a subculture that fascinates you.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-02-02
I'm like David Attenborough.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-02-02
The more important and relevant question is, 'have you cleaned your bussy?'
1 Watchingcluturefade 2018-02-02
After looking at his/her post history you can obviously tell that is the goal.
She/he is a troll, someone who is meant to foment anger and hatred. The pendulum of the left crested in 2016, 2017 is where gravity slowly started to pull it back down. IF they are not careful it will be in freefall over the next few years.
Just look at Europe and how many governments are rapidly turning to Right wing governments.
1 ay_what_up2 2018-02-02
nobody in this thread is gonna take you seriously dude
1 Dildokin 2018-02-02
Peterson is so good for drama
1 bigblackkittie 2018-02-02
we need to get Canadian Kermit to do an AMA
1 _narrows 2018-02-02
If you haven’t watched the discussion, I suggest you do. There is NOTHING to rescind monetization except some kind of pre-discussed or decided opinion.
No bullshit, they talk about Christ vs Jews, drugs, free speech, etc. it’s really interesting
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-02-02
I kinda want them to die too tbh
1 ffbtaw 2018-02-02
/u/Watchingcluturefade
Personal attack noted, this is what we are talking about.
1 TheHeroReditDeserves 2018-02-02
well to be fair you have to have a real high iq to understand Jordon Peterson.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-02-02
Is that your alt or something?
1 ToeSlaw 2018-02-02
People who follow Jordan Peterson are deranged and unhinged.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2018-02-02
clean ur room xdxdxd
1 nonplussed__ 2018-02-02
hey man, he has reason to be upset, he's watching cluture fade
1 JenkemStyle 2018-02-02
“a STEM degree and a STEM masters,” as if a masters degree isn’t, like, a fucking degree. This is /r/ihavesex levels of believability.
1 Kalthramis 2018-02-02
I dont know enough to care
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