Why do so many retarded blacks wanna be the civilization that was owned by the wussiest of ethnicities, jews? It's like some group of guys wanna be the 2008 lions, lol.
The exodus didn't really happen iirc, the most biblical maximalists can come up with was that Egyptian rule sometimes involved some noble families going to live in Egypt proper and maybe they got to go home at some point. This is very different from Assyrian captivity where villages and useful trades were occasionally shipped off.
Look man, Jews or Alex the Great or aliens or That Attila guy or whatever, it all comes down to getting owned and pwned. Honestly, if Egypt focused more on being bad-ass military dudes and not building gigantic pyramids for balding kids with downs, then they would still stand to this day.
If that's your perspective then make fun of them for kowtowing to the inbred halfwit offspring of Alexander's bastard brother for generations instead of the fantasy Egypt some desert nomads put in their holy book as a metaphor for Abraham leaving his mother's basement.
What irritates the hell out of me about this is that there were Nubian pharaohs and they really were badass. When you lie about history to make it revolve around the politics of your own time, you're doing a disservice to your ancestors... or... if I may claim inheritance to the whole human race... to our ancestors.
When you lie about history to make it revolve around the politics of your own time, you're doing a disservice to your ancestors... or... if I may claim inheritance to the whole human race... to our ancestors.
Egypt was always on the verge of collapse, if they had lost one of the myriads of battles they fought throughout the years they would have collapsed much earlier.
The Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt (notated Dynasty XXV, alternatively 25th Dynasty or Dynasty 25), also known as the Nubian Dynasty or the Kushite Empire, was the last dynasty of the Third Intermediate Period that occurred after the Nubian invasion of Ancient Egypt.
The 25th dynasty was a line of rulers originating in the Kingdom of Kush – in present-day northern Sudan and southern Egypt – and most saw Napata as their spiritual homeland. They reigned in part or all of Ancient Egypt from 744–656 BC. The dynasty began with Kashta's invasion of Upper Egypt and culminated in several years of both successful and unsuccessful war with the Mesopotamian based Assyrian Empire. The 25th Dynasty's reunification of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and also Kush (Nubia) created the largest Egyptian empire since the New Kingdom.
Yeah the black Egyptians stuff is ridiculous. On the other hand so is that guy in the replies saying Ancient Egyptians were European, which was the big Kangz controversy in the 1800s. The overwhelming evidence is that Ancient Egyptians were a mix of some Nubians/Sub Saharan Africans and mostly Levantines/Arabs, just like Egyptians today.
The problem with Ancient Egyptians is that they exist in region that is heavily conquered , migration, and trade. Like one migration wave can fucking flip the population demographics in the region heavily.
Like one migration wave can fucking flip the population demographics in the region heavily.
Ehhh that depends tbh
The Moors were around Spain and the Iberian peninsula for a long time and while there’s still some North African admixture those groups are still very much European. Just an example
It's actually quite impressive France managed to become a political entity in just two hundred years. Pre-1789 France was a patchwork of cultures.
Today southerners and northerners still shittalk each other, but it's just bants. "Oh, you're going north during holidays, enjoy the rain I guess".
Straight up "races" are kinda blurry after all the time that has passed, but southern France definitely had more neanderthal settlements, then during the ancient era south was the whole "mediterranean" admixture while north was central european farmer people from the Danube.
France still seems like a shoddy patch job of different European/North African cultures intermingling tbh. How do Algerians/Moroccans fare in France? I’ve seen news reports of them clashing with the Afro-French and Jews
No, 'brits' look like 'brits' and the English look like Anglo-Saxons... because they came from modern day Germany and Denmark, killed all the men and raped all the women.
'Brits' are the Welsh and to a lesser extent the Cornish.
Thats literally the definition of a no true scotsman argument. I was figuring people could make the distinction between people who conquered and left and people who conquered and stayed. You notice how none of those people look italian?
There's no archeological evidence that the Anglo saxons wiped out native Britons in England. It was a cultural conversion from the top down more than anything. There was significant migration but they mainly intermarried. They certainly didn't kill all the men and rape all the women, they would have left a far greater DNA impact if they had.
The most recent study I have seen suggests >50% male population replacement in Kent, the area most affected by Anglo-Saxon settlement.
Elite dominance, apartheid, or genocide, Anglo Saxon laws codified two times the weregild for Saxons than Briton. So the value of a Briton's life was clearly indicated.
The complete disappearance of 'native' British burials, wholesale replacement of language, place names, and personal names certain suggests something more dramatic than 'cultural conversion.'
Genetic evidence, primary sources, and material evidence combine to paint a picture showing profound reduction in Britons and equally dramatic influence of Anglo-Saxons. A legacy so profound that 1/3 of 'English' today are more 'German' than 'Celtic.'
So while archeology hasn't found mass graves of Britons, the available data, when taken as a whole, indicate.... 'They killed all the men and raped all the women.'
... but hey in 10 years the picture might be totally different.
I wouldn't use the term flip. It's true that the population on the Nile has changed a lot genetically since 2200 b.c. Doesn't change the fact that they're still the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. I've seen the we wuz kingz crowd argue dumb shit like that the Arab invasion completely replaced the indigenous (black ofc) population. Racist against current day Egyptians really.
Well yea the ruling class was greek for awhile but saying this means most egyptians were greek is a bit like saying most people in the Congo Free State were Belgian
Nah son greeks went to live there too , shit was right across the sea. There were greek empires next to the Himalayans colonized by greeks you think they werent making the trek to Egypt?
Thats true but Greeks did not migrate in nearly large enough numbers to change the demographics of the region, they served as a largely cloistered ruling class, lots of Europeans travelled to African colonies in the 1800s and there are still white people there today but these colonies by no means became majority white
You do realize that there were not that many ancient Greeks. They couldn't have made a significant impact on a local population through immigration. Alexander had an army of only like 30k or some shit when he went on his march. You're right the colonial times isn't an apt description. A better one would be the Norman invasion of England. All the uppercrust got a French injection and spoke French for a couple hundred years. The commoners were still very thoroughly english
Greeks did go to live there but there’s no evidence Greek migration had a significant demographic impact. Most were based in a few cities like Alexandria while the rest of the population remained rural.
They're related but I believe the Arab conquests had an effect on the demographics in the same way the Romans are probably still floating around the genepool of West and South Europe.
Egyptians have been genetically proven to be the same people living in Egypt currently and they share the same genetic markers with Berbers, a group who is fucking native to North Africa and isn’t black in the slightest. It’s like these people never graduated high school
I just find it to be so depressing that these people are so ignorant of the world and a culture they attempt to take as their own while knowing nothing about it. It’s incredibly absurd.
I just find it to be so depressing that these people are so ignorant of the world and a culture they attempt to take as their own while knowing nothing about it.
I don't have a picture of a white trash guy with viking tattoos can somebody post one for me?
People are always projecting themselves and modern desires onto ancient civilisations, iirc this was true even in ancient times.
Imo Hoeteps love of ancient Egypt is more about the desire among some African American communities for a narrative that centers themselves at the heart of the European/western cultural tradition than anything else.
And Europeans did the same thing with egypt, hoteps are basically a reaction to that trying to centre black people within that old style 'civilisational' narrative, with an added 'glorious past' subverted element.
Generally this is in a fine tradition of people appropriating historical entities for their own group narratives that goes back thousands of years and extends to almost any group I can think of, including various ancient near east kingdoms who sought to legitimise themselves by connecting themselves to even older near east polities/rulers/etc.
The Germans looking at Rome and going 'muh ancestors' is actually worse. The Franks and the Lombards were the ones that destroyed Western Rome, they were literally the barbarian hordes. It'd be like Mongols laying claim to China's achievements or Arabs laying claim to Persia's.
Yeah for the Yuan dynasty at least Mongols can lay some claim to its achievements, though a lot of those achievements were made by extremely sinicized Mongols.
we haven't been talking about just this moment right now in history. the conversation was started was a vague reference to all the times europeans have pretended to be roman over the years INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO renaissance italians and nazi germans
Why can't they claim the Holy Roman Empire? It was largely Germanic in a territorial and tribal sense, and wasn't a continuation of the actual Roman empire. They weren't claiming Roman ancestry, they were claiming germanic ancestry of the largest kingdom in the holy roman empire. Seems fair to me.
im not saying they cant im saying it doesnt fucking matter. its all just fetishization of a long dead culture that has little to do with the modern day besides some stupid political statement
We do sorta lay a claim to Persian achievements though, just in manner that is a bit more sneaky.
When you encounter a historic 'muslim scholar' you should check we're he's from and what you'll find is that a majority of them were Persian scholars, and that they're only defined as muslim or even arab scholars because arabs forced them to shoehorn faith in their works. His name escapes me but there's this one guy who wrote half a page dedicated to Islam as an opener, and then wrote his huge magnus opus that was totally unrelated from the next page on, never mentioning faith again in the entire book.
As far as I understand it, the few black Berber tribes like the Tuareg immigrated to their lands and simply took on the culture/language. I’m aware that they come in many shades but most people who have Berber descent I’ve met are either bronze coloured or fairly light skinned.
So when you said the Berbers are native to North Africa you were wrong?
The lighter/browner pigmented Berbers are, groups like the Tuareg are not.
So when you said they weren't black in the slightest you were wrong?
The indigenous Berbers like the Maghreb are not black, no. A case can be made for the Tuareg who Native to the Sahara but Maghreb are mainly the ones who are closest to Egyptians and regularly come in white pigmentation to fairly brown pigmentation. I wouldn’t say they were black in the slightest
you have to realize the way you talk about this is helping my argument that anyone who cares about this shit either way has an obvious political agenda
Not even that. Africa is such a vast galaxy genetically that Nubians today are as a whole more closely related genetically to Norwegians than Bantu/Guinean type Africans that made up pretty much all slaves in the west. As a feat genetically that's nothing next to the Andamanese though.
Looks like a Berber Kristen Wiig. Why alt right hillbillies want Egyptians to be white and why black nationalist twitter dumbfucks want them to be black is, honestly, understandable.
Love how the people that say Egyptians were all black use the word Kemet as proof. While Kemet does mean black land, it was referring to the soil, which is black.
They weren’t Persian. They drew themselves distinctly different from the Persians... and the Nubians... and the Hittites. They are most likely something that no longer walks the face of the earth sadly.
never ceases to amaze me how idiots like to shoehorn in their own personal prejudices and beliefs into ancient cultures. i mean yeah, most people don't know what "presentism" means, but you'd think if this sort of shit grinds your gears so hard, you'd look for more sources other than some black israelite and/or stormfront shit.
no ancient egyptian was "white" just like they weren't "black" or "red" or "singaporean" or "genderqueer" or any other modern fucking category, sane or insane. people don't understand just how radically different a civilization like ancient egypt was -- for instance, they had no concept of "religion" or "government" like we do, and from what we know, their conception of "egyptian" was mainly centered around two things -- living in Egypt, and taking part in Egyptian culture and rites. they didn't give a fuck what color your skin was, but on the other hand, if you weren't Egyptian, they didn't give a fuck about you either -- you were a barbarian and were worth nothing.
in terms of genetics, from what we know, there was a sub-saharan element, which goes from small down in the south (like you would expect, since the people there were closer to Black People Land) and not much at all in the north. you get arab genetics in the mix after they fucking conquered the place during the muslim expansion, before that they were sandpeople the Egyptians hunted or killed when they raided settlements. there was a euro component due to the fucking proximity to europe too, and then the most significant bit is typical north african like the berbers and other non-negro groups up there, again like you'd fucking expect. all that being said, the genetic evidence is quite sparse, and what we do have doesn't support the WE WUZ people at all (nor do the archaeological items).
but all of this sort of "debate" -- and i'm being charitible by calling it a debate -- is all based on bullshit misunderstandings of how population genetics, migration, and history works (and yes what's typed above about components is dramatically oversimplified also!).
the whole "Cleopatra was Black!!!!" shit comes out of literal blaxploitation and black nationalist crapola from the USA in the 20th century, when blacks were searching for a historical identity besides bone-in-the-nose cannibals and zulus shaking spears at british troops. Cleopatra was a fucking macedonian, from a dynasty which practiced incestual inbreeding -- brothers and sisters. she wasn't some African Qween from Zimbabwe, and really was only significant in terms of the men she fucked and manipulated (which didn't end up well for her anyway, as she lost and an hero'd).
on the other hand, these types of threads are fuckin' drama goldmines!
no ancient egyptian was "white" just like they weren't "black" or "red" or "singaporean" or "genderqueer" or any other modern fucking category, sane or insane
theyre just saying they looked light skinned as opposed to heart of darkness africa black, why do people even get worked up about it i dont get it
Nobody ever seems to ask the Egyptians themselves. If you do ask them they tell you that they are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Obviously there's a difference between a north African and a sub-Saharan African.
Why are people arguing about this? The ancient Egyptians were dark enough to get called the n-word in America. Who seriously feels the need to argue that they were darker?
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1 YolosaurusSwagus 2018-02-06
WUZ
1 MooseHeckler 2018-02-06
GOATS.
1 CHAD_THUNDERCUCK 2018-02-06
KANGZ
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2018-02-06
AKA I ta history classes while I get my masters. Who the fuck is she trying to fool?
1 Lottanubs 2018-02-06
High schoolers and the occasional undergrad, I guess.
1 Neon_needles 2018-02-06
Why do so many retarded blacks wanna be the civilization that was owned by the wussiest of ethnicities, jews? It's like some group of guys wanna be the 2008 lions, lol.
1 HikerTaylor 2018-02-06
Boi.
1 cimarafa 2018-02-06
>wussiest of ethnicities
> literally secretly rule the world
Pick one.
1 NormanImmanuel 2018-02-06
>secretly
1 Wegwerf540 2018-02-06
Computer, please define.
1 GrovelingPeasant 2018-02-06
He mean wheeziest*
1 3134552767 2018-02-06
I laughed.
1 lurker093287h 2018-02-06
The exodus didn't really happen iirc, the most biblical maximalists can come up with was that Egyptian rule sometimes involved some noble families going to live in Egypt proper and maybe they got to go home at some point. This is very different from Assyrian captivity where villages and useful trades were occasionally shipped off.
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-02-06
Jews literally still own you white slaves so I guess y’all are just a bunch of bitches too
1 I_FART_OUT_MY_BUTT69 2018-02-06
speak non-nigger please
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-02-06
If you whites don’t like it y’all can kill yourselves
1 I_FART_OUT_MY_BUTT69 2018-02-06
but then who'll pay taxes that are keeping you and half your family alive?
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-02-06
I’m Jewish I have more wealth then you or your trailer trash family will obtain in 20 generations.
1 Neon_needles 2018-02-06
I DEMAND AS A KANG U GIVE BACK THE LANDS YOU STOLE YOU BUTTFUCKER
1 ay_what_up2 2018-02-06
what are you on about that’s literally hick speak
1 -absolutego- 2018-02-06
>thinking Biblical Egypt has any historicity to it at all
1 Neon_needles 2018-02-06
Look man, Jews or Alex the Great or aliens or That Attila guy or whatever, it all comes down to getting owned and pwned. Honestly, if Egypt focused more on being bad-ass military dudes and not building gigantic pyramids for balding kids with downs, then they would still stand to this day.
1 -absolutego- 2018-02-06
If that's your perspective then make fun of them for kowtowing to the inbred halfwit offspring of Alexander's bastard brother for generations instead of the fantasy Egypt some desert nomads put in their holy book as a metaphor for Abraham leaving his mother's basement.
1 Neon_needles 2018-02-06
Puts on rage against the machine No. I won't do what you tell me. Uh uh.
1 Whatafuxup 2018-02-06
dont forget the Romans
or the French
or the British
or the Greeks AGAIN
1 meatpuppet79 2018-02-06
KANGZ
1 VPEKD 2018-02-06
HOL UP smacks lips SO U BE SAYIN posts obscure blogpost about kangz SO U SAYIN, HOL UP steals your history SO U BE SAYIN WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIEET?
1 crudehumourisdivine 2018-02-06
seems to have struck a nerve
1 Redactor0 2018-02-06
What irritates the hell out of me about this is that there were Nubian pharaohs and they really were badass. When you lie about history to make it revolve around the politics of your own time, you're doing a disservice to your ancestors... or... if I may claim inheritance to the whole human race... to our ancestors.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-02-06
What a bunch of philistines
1 Invalid_Target 2018-02-06
Out of your mind.
The only long term Nubian who ran Egypt was a pharoah in the 10th dynasty.
You wanna know what also happened in the 10th dynasty?
Ancient Egypt fucking collapses...
Coincidence?
1 NoodlesMcNoodlesface 2018-02-06
It was already on the verge of collapse several centuries prior to that.
1 Invalid_Target 2018-02-06
Egypt was always on the verge of collapse, if they had lost one of the myriads of battles they fought throughout the years they would have collapsed much earlier.
1 Ace4929 2018-02-06
This is par for the course for the vast majority of ancient civilizations
1 BannaHamHock 2018-02-06
if you're going to use this word then try to use it correctly
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-02-06
Look at what Alexander the Great accomplished. Any civilization is only a moment's notice away from being conquered or collapsing.
1 -absolutego- 2018-02-06
Uhh 15 dynasties later there was one consisting entirely of Nubians, so much so that it's literally named the Nubian dynasty.
Though, ironically, despite being outsiders themselves they oversaw a return to traditional Egyptian values/architecture.
1 WikiTextBot 2018-02-06
Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt
The Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt (notated Dynasty XXV, alternatively 25th Dynasty or Dynasty 25), also known as the Nubian Dynasty or the Kushite Empire, was the last dynasty of the Third Intermediate Period that occurred after the Nubian invasion of Ancient Egypt.
The 25th dynasty was a line of rulers originating in the Kingdom of Kush – in present-day northern Sudan and southern Egypt – and most saw Napata as their spiritual homeland. They reigned in part or all of Ancient Egypt from 744–656 BC. The dynasty began with Kashta's invasion of Upper Egypt and culminated in several years of both successful and unsuccessful war with the Mesopotamian based Assyrian Empire. The 25th Dynasty's reunification of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and also Kush (Nubia) created the largest Egyptian empire since the New Kingdom.
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1 giroth 2018-02-06
You may not claim inheritance for the whole human race, you presumptuous mayo
The Nubian egyptians were the masterrace, you have no credit to their glory
1 life_is_painfull 2018-02-06
nubians are also nilotes. they are extremely different to bantus who african americans came from.
1 3134552767 2018-02-06
Whenever someone lies to male a political point, it makes the listener think "Damn, this dudes point isn't good enough on its own, what a buster"
1 KingWayneX 2018-02-06
a mark ass buster, even
1 makes_people_cringe 2018-02-06
Why are they so surprised that a black person who stayed in the shade all the time produced less melanin?
1 broden 2018-02-06
Barry Soeto was Indoneasian!
1 Sc0tty2hotty 2018-02-06
(Recreation of ancient king Barack Obama from genetic markers)[https://i.imgur.com/09jFEY5.jpg]
1 Sc0tty2hotty 2018-02-06
Recreation of ancient king Barack Obama from genetic testing
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
he is white though
1 Uplift_Yourself 2018-02-06
Holy shit people are stupid. Just because the ancient Egyptians weren't white doesn't mean they were black.
1 ObsessedAussie 2018-02-06
You're correct. They were ducking purple people eaters.
1 cimarafa 2018-02-06
Yeah the black Egyptians stuff is ridiculous. On the other hand so is that guy in the replies saying Ancient Egyptians were European, which was the big Kangz controversy in the 1800s. The overwhelming evidence is that Ancient Egyptians were a mix of some Nubians/Sub Saharan Africans and mostly Levantines/Arabs, just like Egyptians today.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2018-02-06
The problem with Ancient Egyptians is that they exist in region that is heavily conquered , migration, and trade. Like one migration wave can fucking flip the population demographics in the region heavily.
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
Ehhh that depends tbh
The Moors were around Spain and the Iberian peninsula for a long time and while there’s still some North African admixture those groups are still very much European. Just an example
1 shitsfuckedupalot 2018-02-06
Romans conquered damn near all of europe and brits still look like brits, frenchies like frenchies, and germs like germs.
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
Don’t the French in Southern France look more like Greeks/Spaniards than your typical baguette lol
1 Maggot_Pie 2018-02-06
French here, can confirm
It's actually quite impressive France managed to become a political entity in just two hundred years. Pre-1789 France was a patchwork of cultures.
Today southerners and northerners still shittalk each other, but it's just bants. "Oh, you're going north during holidays, enjoy the rain I guess".
Straight up "races" are kinda blurry after all the time that has passed, but southern France definitely had more neanderthal settlements, then during the ancient era south was the whole "mediterranean" admixture while north was central european farmer people from the Danube.
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
France still seems like a shoddy patch job of different European/North African cultures intermingling tbh. How do Algerians/Moroccans fare in France? I’ve seen news reports of them clashing with the Afro-French and Jews
1 battles 2018-02-06
No, 'brits' look like 'brits' and the English look like Anglo-Saxons... because they came from modern day Germany and Denmark, killed all the men and raped all the women.
'Brits' are the Welsh and to a lesser extent the Cornish.
1 shitsfuckedupalot 2018-02-06
Thats literally the definition of a no true scotsman argument. I was figuring people could make the distinction between people who conquered and left and people who conquered and stayed. You notice how none of those people look italian?
1 MooseHeckler 2018-02-06
Ve vill rob ze women and rape ze men.
1 Abigbumhole 2018-02-06
There's no archeological evidence that the Anglo saxons wiped out native Britons in England. It was a cultural conversion from the top down more than anything. There was significant migration but they mainly intermarried. They certainly didn't kill all the men and rape all the women, they would have left a far greater DNA impact if they had.
1 battles 2018-02-06
The most recent study I have seen suggests >50% male population replacement in Kent, the area most affected by Anglo-Saxon settlement.
Elite dominance, apartheid, or genocide, Anglo Saxon laws codified two times the weregild for Saxons than Briton. So the value of a Briton's life was clearly indicated.
The complete disappearance of 'native' British burials, wholesale replacement of language, place names, and personal names certain suggests something more dramatic than 'cultural conversion.'
Genetic evidence, primary sources, and material evidence combine to paint a picture showing profound reduction in Britons and equally dramatic influence of Anglo-Saxons. A legacy so profound that 1/3 of 'English' today are more 'German' than 'Celtic.'
So while archeology hasn't found mass graves of Britons, the available data, when taken as a whole, indicate.... 'They killed all the men and raped all the women.'
... but hey in 10 years the picture might be totally different.
1 Whatafuxup 2018-02-06
Conquering militarily and occupying them is different than migrating a large population there.
Arabs conquered Spain and occupied it for a long time, but the populations rarely mingled
1 TheGoldenHour- 2018-02-06
I wouldn't use the term flip. It's true that the population on the Nile has changed a lot genetically since 2200 b.c. Doesn't change the fact that they're still the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. I've seen the we wuz kingz crowd argue dumb shit like that the Arab invasion completely replaced the indigenous (black ofc) population. Racist against current day Egyptians really.
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
Probably more greeks than sub saharan africans
1 Ace4929 2018-02-06
Well yea the ruling class was greek for awhile but saying this means most egyptians were greek is a bit like saying most people in the Congo Free State were Belgian
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
Nah son greeks went to live there too , shit was right across the sea. There were greek empires next to the Himalayans colonized by greeks you think they werent making the trek to Egypt?
1 Ace4929 2018-02-06
Thats true but Greeks did not migrate in nearly large enough numbers to change the demographics of the region, they served as a largely cloistered ruling class, lots of Europeans travelled to African colonies in the 1800s and there are still white people there today but these colonies by no means became majority white
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
You're out of your mind if you are trying to compare the migrations of ancients Greeks to ancient Egypt with 19th century European colonists.
1 Ace4929 2018-02-06
I aint talking about sub saharan africans bro, Im talking about Egyptians
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
Probably more greeks than sub saharan africans
This the post that you responded to you fucking retard
1 JumbledFun 2018-02-06
You do realize that there were not that many ancient Greeks. They couldn't have made a significant impact on a local population through immigration. Alexander had an army of only like 30k or some shit when he went on his march. You're right the colonial times isn't an apt description. A better one would be the Norman invasion of England. All the uppercrust got a French injection and spoke French for a couple hundred years. The commoners were still very thoroughly english
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
According to Wikipedia (they cite books that I'm not reading) Alexandria and other Greek influences cities were 30% Greek during Greco roman rule
1 JumbledFun 2018-02-06
Yah the upper echelons of the poshest cities were Greek. But that's still a small sliver of the overall population is what I'm saying
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
30% of cities is more than sub saharan africans had , thats literally im saying
1 cimarafa 2018-02-06
Greeks did go to live there but there’s no evidence Greek migration had a significant demographic impact. Most were based in a few cities like Alexandria while the rest of the population remained rural.
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
More impact than sub Saharan Africans though
1 DickingBimbos247 2018-02-06
The closest living relatives to ancient Egyptians are probably the Copts, whose history goes back to shortly after Jesus died.
1 Boeing676 2018-02-06
/thread
1 poctakeover 2018-02-06
i thought it was accepted that modern day egyptians are the most closely related to ancient egyptians
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-02-06
They're related but I believe the Arab conquests had an effect on the demographics in the same way the Romans are probably still floating around the genepool of West and South Europe.
1 shallowm 2018-02-06
It reminds me of this Twitter thread where an Egyptian guy mentions that and argues with a few people about it in the comments.
Here's an /r/drama thread about some pretty similar drama.
1 TheTassieDevil 2018-02-06
I think that the Copts are the closest in DNA
1 ProblematicAlt 2018-02-06
"people"
1 grungebot5000 2018-02-06
they weren't even all one color
only one of the pharoahs was black though, IIRC
1 Jeyond 2018-02-06
1 SuperiorExcess 2018-02-06
It's almost how closer you get to the equator in Africa, the blacker the population gets, how weird. (((American Education))) strikes again.
1 likearasputin 2018-02-06
So...shadeism, because she's not black enough? Lol
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
Are black Americans serious.
Egyptians have been genetically proven to be the same people living in Egypt currently and they share the same genetic markers with Berbers, a group who is fucking native to North Africa and isn’t black in the slightest. It’s like these people never graduated high school
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-02-06
Well black Americans are graduating at an all time high for them. Only a quarter never graduate.
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
I just find it to be so depressing that these people are so ignorant of the world and a culture they attempt to take as their own while knowing nothing about it. It’s incredibly absurd.
1 OldOrder 2018-02-06
I don't have a picture of a white trash guy with viking tattoos can somebody post one for me?
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
1 OldOrder 2018-02-06
but muh potatoes
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
lol at least they were the same colour
1 CompetitiveLoiterer 2018-02-06
And the ones that do graduate...
1 lurker093287h 2018-02-06
People are always projecting themselves and modern desires onto ancient civilisations, iirc this was true even in ancient times.
Imo Hoeteps love of ancient Egypt is more about the desire among some African American communities for a narrative that centers themselves at the heart of the European/western cultural tradition than anything else.
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
what hoteps do with egypt is pretty much exactly the same as what white people did for centuries/do with rome. its actually harmless
1 lurker093287h 2018-02-06
And Europeans did the same thing with egypt, hoteps are basically a reaction to that trying to centre black people within that old style 'civilisational' narrative, with an added 'glorious past' subverted element.
Generally this is in a fine tradition of people appropriating historical entities for their own group narratives that goes back thousands of years and extends to almost any group I can think of, including various ancient near east kingdoms who sought to legitimise themselves by connecting themselves to even older near east polities/rulers/etc.
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2018-02-06
The Germans looking at Rome and going 'muh ancestors' is actually worse. The Franks and the Lombards were the ones that destroyed Western Rome, they were literally the barbarian hordes. It'd be like Mongols laying claim to China's achievements or Arabs laying claim to Persia's.
All of which is to say, mayocide now.
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
well the mongol/china thing is a bit more complicated tho
1 -absolutego- 2018-02-06
Yeah for the Yuan dynasty at least Mongols can lay some claim to its achievements, though a lot of those achievements were made by extremely sinicized Mongols.
1 Es_ist_Obst_im_Haus 2018-02-06
We don't consider the Romans our ancestors in Germany. And we're proud of our barbarian leaders
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
you did call yourselves the third reich in one particular era
1 Es_ist_Obst_im_Haus 2018-02-06
Because obviously everybody is still a Nazi here.
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
we haven't been talking about just this moment right now in history. the conversation was started was a vague reference to all the times europeans have pretended to be roman over the years INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO renaissance italians and nazi germans
1 JohnBlind 2018-02-06
Why can't they claim the Holy Roman Empire? It was largely Germanic in a territorial and tribal sense, and wasn't a continuation of the actual Roman empire. They weren't claiming Roman ancestry, they were claiming germanic ancestry of the largest kingdom in the holy roman empire. Seems fair to me.
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
im not saying they cant im saying it doesnt fucking matter. its all just fetishization of a long dead culture that has little to do with the modern day besides some stupid political statement
1 ThenTheGorursArrived 2018-02-06
I was mostly talking about stormweenies and Amerimutts(Who're also majority German or island German).
I think the existence of the HRE does point to Germans being Romaboos too, though.
1 Es_ist_Obst_im_Haus 2018-02-06
Can't argue with that. Goes for the rest of Europe too though, except the Greeks who have their own ancient civilization.
1 JohnBlind 2018-02-06
We do sorta lay a claim to Persian achievements though, just in manner that is a bit more sneaky.
When you encounter a historic 'muslim scholar' you should check we're he's from and what you'll find is that a majority of them were Persian scholars, and that they're only defined as muslim or even arab scholars because arabs forced them to shoehorn faith in their works. His name escapes me but there's this one guy who wrote half a page dedicated to Islam as an opener, and then wrote his huge magnus opus that was totally unrelated from the next page on, never mentioning faith again in the entire book.
1 lickedTators 2018-02-06
Berbers can be black. Have you ever met a Berber?
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
As far as I understand it, the few black Berber tribes like the Tuareg immigrated to their lands and simply took on the culture/language. I’m aware that they come in many shades but most people who have Berber descent I’ve met are either bronze coloured or fairly light skinned.
1 lickedTators 2018-02-06
So when you said the Berbers are native to North Africa you were wrong?
So when you said they weren't black in the slightest you were wrong?
1 PracticalOnions 2018-02-06
The lighter/browner pigmented Berbers are, groups like the Tuareg are not.
The indigenous Berbers like the Maghreb are not black, no. A case can be made for the Tuareg who Native to the Sahara but Maghreb are mainly the ones who are closest to Egyptians and regularly come in white pigmentation to fairly brown pigmentation. I wouldn’t say they were black in the slightest
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2018-02-06
carpet weavin motherf--
1 Invalid_Target 2018-02-06
Is it bad that I knew what kind of drama this was from seeing one word?
1 broden 2018-02-06
They will always have Wakanda
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1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
who was black and who was white means fuck all in a time where race was defined differently than it is today.
anyone who cares about this argument either way has a political agenda
1 Sophistrycated 2018-02-06
I don't think trying to establish historical fact means you have an agenda just because it happens to aggrivate angry black people.
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
race is a cultural construct
historical fact is that in nefertiti's lifetime, she was considered egyptian. not black, not white, not middle eastern. egyptian
1 marooncat1501 2018-02-06
Which is was white people believe , they're in denial about what the KANGZ really looked liked
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
you have to realize the way you talk about this is helping my argument that anyone who cares about this shit either way has an obvious political agenda
1 slimabob 2018-02-06
Not an argument.
1 SwankDogsbody 2018-02-06
Shut up.
1 die_rattin 2018-02-06
FTFY
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
like thats not true today because of wage slavery you capitalist cuck
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
personally i like knowing about stuff even if it angers black people
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
im sure youre a real scholar of egyptian history when it has nothing to do with race
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
i know about lots of things because i read, egypt is interesting
and i dont care about black fragility
1 baaaaby 2018-02-06
if you didnt care, you wouldnt talk about it
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
i mean its funny because black people love to talk as though theyre hardened and world weary, but catch feelings over so much shit
but i dont care as in im not going to avoid saying something just because it might make someone feel self conscious
like i wouldnt feel bad telling a chinese guy he isnt a viking even if he convinced himself he was because duh
1 King_Drumpf 2018-02-06
You wuznt Egyptian. You wuz Nubian at best.
1 Anaseb 2018-02-06
Not even that. Africa is such a vast galaxy genetically that Nubians today are as a whole more closely related genetically to Norwegians than Bantu/Guinean type Africans that made up pretty much all slaves in the west. As a feat genetically that's nothing next to the Andamanese though.
1 ProfessionalCourage 2018-02-06
A guy points out "black" replaces cardinal directions and the Kemet replies with "I don't want to talk to you anymore."
They're so tucking butt blasted.
1 3134552767 2018-02-06
Looks like a Berber Kristen Wiig. Why alt right hillbillies want Egyptians to be white and why black nationalist twitter dumbfucks want them to be black is, honestly, understandable.
But ignoring reality and research really is not.
1 Sophistrycated 2018-02-06
Someone post this on BPT.
1 cleverseneca 2018-02-06
Add a bit of suntan to that original pic and you'll end up somewhere in the neighborhood of the paintings that are posted all over that thread.
1 TheHaunchie 2018-02-06
Love how the people that say Egyptians were all black use the word Kemet as proof. While Kemet does mean black land, it was referring to the soil, which is black.
1 die_rattin 2018-02-06
Hey Nefertiti, why the long face?
1 ricardogce 2018-02-06
The only response worth a damn in that thread.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-02-06
never ceases to amaze me how idiots like to shoehorn in their own personal prejudices and beliefs into ancient cultures. i mean yeah, most people don't know what "presentism" means, but you'd think if this sort of shit grinds your gears so hard, you'd look for more sources other than some black israelite and/or stormfront shit.
no ancient egyptian was "white" just like they weren't "black" or "red" or "singaporean" or "genderqueer" or any other modern fucking category, sane or insane. people don't understand just how radically different a civilization like ancient egypt was -- for instance, they had no concept of "religion" or "government" like we do, and from what we know, their conception of "egyptian" was mainly centered around two things -- living in Egypt, and taking part in Egyptian culture and rites. they didn't give a fuck what color your skin was, but on the other hand, if you weren't Egyptian, they didn't give a fuck about you either -- you were a barbarian and were worth nothing.
in terms of genetics, from what we know, there was a sub-saharan element, which goes from small down in the south (like you would expect, since the people there were closer to Black People Land) and not much at all in the north. you get arab genetics in the mix after they fucking conquered the place during the muslim expansion, before that they were sandpeople the Egyptians hunted or killed when they raided settlements. there was a euro component due to the fucking proximity to europe too, and then the most significant bit is typical north african like the berbers and other non-negro groups up there, again like you'd fucking expect. all that being said, the genetic evidence is quite sparse, and what we do have doesn't support the WE WUZ people at all (nor do the archaeological items).
but all of this sort of "debate" -- and i'm being charitible by calling it a debate -- is all based on bullshit misunderstandings of how population genetics, migration, and history works (and yes what's typed above about components is dramatically oversimplified also!).
the whole "Cleopatra was Black!!!!" shit comes out of literal blaxploitation and black nationalist crapola from the USA in the 20th century, when blacks were searching for a historical identity besides bone-in-the-nose cannibals and zulus shaking spears at british troops. Cleopatra was a fucking macedonian, from a dynasty which practiced incestual inbreeding -- brothers and sisters. she wasn't some African Qween from Zimbabwe, and really was only significant in terms of the men she fucked and manipulated (which didn't end up well for her anyway, as she lost and an hero'd).
on the other hand, these types of threads are fuckin' drama goldmines!
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
theyre just saying they looked light skinned as opposed to heart of darkness africa black, why do people even get worked up about it i dont get it
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-02-06
i blame crack. or obama. or maybe trump. or maybe even haile selassie.
1 DickingBimbos247 2018-02-06
Wow the replies mocking black people are brutal. Too far even for my
degenerateeclectic taste.1 myshl0ng 2018-02-06
pussy
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-06
its funny because you can tell nobodys ever actually bothered to correct them when they go on a big egypt we wuz kangz rant
theyre shocked that someone would suggest theyre wrong
1 Omorpheus 2018-02-06
Oh boy, not a good start to black history month.
1 BoogerSlug 2018-02-06
It's staggering how many people look at scientific evidence and claim its racist somehow. Idiots.
1 jasos-2005 2018-02-06
I can't stop smiling. All the "Egyptians were black" people are literally citing cave paintings. You can't get much better than this.
1 SocialistEphebophile 2018-02-06
It would be way cooler if Egyptians were still running around in linen kilts and wigs and gold body paint, instead of boring-ass Islams.
1 grungebot5000 2018-02-06
everybody responding to that is retarded, and this post needs to be flaired accordingly
1 michaelnoir 2018-02-06
Nobody ever seems to ask the Egyptians themselves. If you do ask them they tell you that they are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Obviously there's a difference between a north African and a sub-Saharan African.
1 Al_Simmons 2018-02-06
I lost brain cells reading that intellectually dishonest shit.
1 -huitzilopochtli- 2018-02-06
Fucking hell, do hoteps seriously think anyone with skin lighter than them is white?
1 XavGrav 2018-02-06
Physician, heal thyself!
1 becauseiliketoupvote 2018-02-06
Why are people arguing about this? The ancient Egyptians were dark enough to get called the n-word in America. Who seriously feels the need to argue that they were darker?