Here's the thing about Jill Stein. She's shady as fuck. There's no way in hell she didn't know what was going on when Putin invited her to that dinner.
She ran an entire campaign in which she followed Clinton around swing-states trying to wrangle the Berntards.
Holy shit, that's shady as fuck! Trying to gain support from disgruntled liberals who feel the Democratic candidate doesn't represent them!
And to be clear here, like the only fucking elections the green party runs in are presidential elections. They have no desire to become a real political party. If they did, you'd see them more than once every 4 years.
Holy shit, that's shady as fuck! Trying to gain support from disgruntled liberals who feel the Democratic candidate doesn't represent them!
So let's use our brains here. Stein herself has claimed climate change is the biggest threat we face.
Knowing what was on the line in 2016, how can anyone, green or Democrat, ever justify voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton?
You believe climate change is a massive threat, yet you see no problems with putting rabid climate deniers in power, people that will dismantle the EPA and roll back any and all progress made?
Are you fucking serious, dude?
Yeah, I am fucking serious. They put literally no effort into any other elections. This has been a common trend with the green party for years.
The green party has never won a house seat and they've won very few state seats. Why are they putting any effort into a national race when they have no fucking presence anywhere else?
Knowing what was on the line in 2016, how can anyone, green or Democrat, ever justify voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton?
Less bad option 2016!
The third parties are playing by roughly the same playbook. They don't have the support to field candidates at all levels. Running for president is relatively inexpensive advertising, considering you get nationwide exposure. To top it off, if you spoil the victory for your closest party (which didn't happen in 2016 anyway), the hope is that you will get concessions the next election cycle.
To top it off, if you spoil the victory for your closest party (which didn't happen in 2016 anyway), the hope is that you will get concessions the next election cycle.
Because it says something about you as a person. It shows you don't actually hold any of the values you claim to hold.
In the case of progressives and Stein, climate change is our biggest threat, yet they vote for someone they know has no chance of winning, at the expense of the person that has a real chance of winning.
How can anyone take progressives seriously after that? Clearly climate change isn't such a big deal, clearly civil rights aren't so important if all of that is worth risking just so you can feel better about yourself.
In the case of progressives and Stein, climate change is our biggest threat, yet they vote for someone they know has no chance of winning, at the expense of the person that has a real chance of winning.
But you said spoilers never work and Jill Stein got even fewer hours than Perot. Which is it?
no, you're illiterate because you can't comprehend what is said. Stein didn't take enough votes to spoil anything, but she makes it harder for a real candidate to win.
She forces said candidate to invest more than they would normally to defend not only against the right, but the fringe left as well.
Logic (from the Ancient Greek: λογική, translit. logikḗ), originally meaning "the word" or "what is spoken", but coming to mean "thought" or "reason", is generally held to consist of the systematic study of the form of valid inference. A valid inference is one where there is a specific relation of logical support between the assumptions of the inference and its conclusion. (In ordinary discourse, inferences may be signified by words like therefore, hence, ergo and so on.)
There is no universal agreement as to the exact scope and subject matter of logic (see § Rival conceptions, below), but it has traditionally included the classification of arguments, the systematic exposition of the 'logical form' common to all valid arguments, the study of inference, including fallacies, and the study of semantics, including paradoxes.
I don't get why everyone is acting like this is new information or shocking in any way.
In my early "atheist skeptic" days I got really into debunking conspiracy theories. So I'd spend a lot of my time on various conspiracy forums, and I mean I spent an absurd amount of time with these people.
Russia has an iron fucking grip on international conspiracism. What happened is years and years ago Russia realized they didn't have the hard or soft power to compete with the western world and just heavily invested in shit like this.
That's why every major conspiracy website is pro-Russia and rabidly anti-American. It's why RT is cited so often in conspiracy circles. For example, /r/conspiracy had a picture of Putin eating popcorn on their sidebar for over a month.
Russia has created an entire conspiracy movement that loves them and hates America.
There's an entire book talking about these tactics called "Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible."
A relevant quote:
At the end of the table sat one of the country’s most famous political TV presenters. He is small and speaks fast, with a smoky voice: We all know there will be no real politics. But we still have to give our viewers the sense something is happening. They need to be kept entertained. So what should we play with? Shall we attack oligarchs? [He continued,] Who’s the enemy this week? Politics has got to feel like . . . like a movie! The first thing the President had done when he came to power in 2000 was to seize control of television. It was television through which the Kremlin decided which politicians it would “allow” as its puppet-opposition, what the country’s history and fears and consciousness should be. And the new Kremlin won’t make the same mistake the old Soviet Union did: it will never let TV become dull. The task is to synthesize Soviet control with Western entertainment. Twenty-first-century Ostankino mixes show business and propaganda, ratings with authoritarianism. And at the center of the great show is the President himself, created from a no one, a gray fuzz via the power of television, so that he morphs as rapidly as a performance artist among his roles of soldier, lover, bare-chested hunter, businessman, spy, tsar, superman. “The news is the incense by which we bless Putin’s actions, make him the President,” TV producers and political technologists liked to say. Sitting in that smoky room, I had the sense that reality was somehow malleable, that I was with Prosperos who could project any existence they wanted onto post-Soviet Russia. But with every year I worked in Russia, and as the Kremlin became ever more paranoid, Ostankino’s strategies became ever more twisted, the need to incite panic and fear ever more urgent; rationality was tuned out, and Kremlin-friendly cults and hate-mongers were put on prime time to keep the nation entranced, distracted, as ever more foreign hirelings would arrive to help the Kremlin and spread its vision to the world.
The united states has been getting bent over in the disinformation war for as long as there's been a disinformation war.
Countries like China/Russia have an innate advantage in this kind of warfare. They don't have political gridlock because there is only one party in power.
They don't have to worry about censoring anyone, it's expected. This limits our ability to respond to disinformation campaigns.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-02-19
This, but unironically.
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1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-02-19
No collusion no collision you're the collusion.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
Here's the thing about Jill Stein. She's shady as fuck. There's no way in hell she didn't know what was going on when Putin invited her to that dinner.
http://images.dailykos.com/images/330928/story_image/flynn.jpg?1479834100
There's no way in hell she thought a nobody green party candidate was invited to that dinner, and not only invited, but sat next to Putin himself.
She knew exactly what the Russians were up to and she was happy to accept any help she could get.
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-02-19
Holy shit, that's shady as fuck! Trying to gain support from disgruntled liberals who feel the Democratic candidate doesn't represent them!
Are you fucking serious, dude?
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
So let's use our brains here. Stein herself has claimed climate change is the biggest threat we face.
Knowing what was on the line in 2016, how can anyone, green or Democrat, ever justify voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton?
You believe climate change is a massive threat, yet you see no problems with putting rabid climate deniers in power, people that will dismantle the EPA and roll back any and all progress made?
Yeah, I am fucking serious. They put literally no effort into any other elections. This has been a common trend with the green party for years.
The green party has never won a house seat and they've won very few state seats. Why are they putting any effort into a national race when they have no fucking presence anywhere else?
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-02-19
Shit, I forgot to use my brain when I went to the polls! I knew I was forgetting something.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
Less bad option 2016!
The third parties are playing by roughly the same playbook. They don't have the support to field candidates at all levels. Running for president is relatively inexpensive advertising, considering you get nationwide exposure. To top it off, if you spoil the victory for your closest party (which didn't happen in 2016 anyway), the hope is that you will get concessions the next election cycle.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
Why are Progressivetards trapped in a perpetual nirvana fallacy?
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
Because the 3rd party spoiler method sometimes works.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
No it doesn't.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
Yes it does.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
when has it worked?
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
Ross Perot.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
I don't know if a bat-shit crazy tech billionaire winning 0 electoral votes is an example of a 3rd party candidate working.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
Nicer goal post moving.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
How is that goalpost moving? He won 0 electoral votes. How is that working?
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
What the fuck did he spoil? He didn't spoil anything, and he sure as hell didn't get concessions next cycle.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
I posted a source. Besides, if Ross Perot didn't do anything, why are you raging so hard about Jill Stein?
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
Because at least Perot was serious. He believed the things he ran on.
Jill Stein is a con artist trying to milk dumb ass progressives for cash. She's a faux progressive.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
REEEEEE SPOILERS DON'T DO ANYTHING.
REEEEEE SPOILERS RUINED HILLARY.
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
I didn't say she ruined Clinton, I asked how you could justify voting for anyone other than her if you cared about climate change.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
But by your logic, voting third party won't influence the election anyway. So why not vote for the candidate that is more aligned with your interests?
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
Because it says something about you as a person. It shows you don't actually hold any of the values you claim to hold.
In the case of progressives and Stein, climate change is our biggest threat, yet they vote for someone they know has no chance of winning, at the expense of the person that has a real chance of winning.
How can anyone take progressives seriously after that? Clearly climate change isn't such a big deal, clearly civil rights aren't so important if all of that is worth risking just so you can feel better about yourself.
Like I said, faux progressives.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
But you said spoilers never work and Jill Stein got even fewer hours than Perot. Which is it?
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
Holy shit, you're literally an illiterate person and have the reading comprehension of a child.
We're done here.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
no, you're illiterate because you can't comprehend what is said. Stein didn't take enough votes to spoil anything, but she makes it harder for a real candidate to win.
She forces said candidate to invest more than they would normally to defend not only against the right, but the fringe left as well.
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
But if spoilers never work, why would Hillary even bother engaging?
1 pizzashill 2018-02-19
http://www.readingrockets.org/helping/target/comprehension
1 DudeCat 2018-02-19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
1 WikiTextBot 2018-02-19
Logic
Logic (from the Ancient Greek: λογική, translit. logikḗ), originally meaning "the word" or "what is spoken", but coming to mean "thought" or "reason", is generally held to consist of the systematic study of the form of valid inference. A valid inference is one where there is a specific relation of logical support between the assumptions of the inference and its conclusion. (In ordinary discourse, inferences may be signified by words like therefore, hence, ergo and so on.)
There is no universal agreement as to the exact scope and subject matter of logic (see § Rival conceptions, below), but it has traditionally included the classification of arguments, the systematic exposition of the 'logical form' common to all valid arguments, the study of inference, including fallacies, and the study of semantics, including paradoxes.
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1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-02-19
The DNC did tell us to fuck off. And so we voted for Stein. What was it you were complaining about again? I kinda lost the thread of your meltdown.
1 LightUmbra 2018-02-19
I'd rather vote for metastatic cancer from my wifi than vote for Jill "crystals are the cure" Stein.
1 feeepo 2018-02-19
Wow. I am totally shocked that someone named (((((((((Stein))))))))) would behave like that
1 ConfirmableVelvet 2018-02-19
Serious postings on /r/drama should be a muting offense.
1 andyfuckingkaufman 2018-02-19
Thanks for all your effort.
You sound pretty serious.
This is an important agenda.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-02-19
I don't get why everyone is acting like this is new information or shocking in any way.
In my early "atheist skeptic" days I got really into debunking conspiracy theories. So I'd spend a lot of my time on various conspiracy forums, and I mean I spent an absurd amount of time with these people.
Russia has an iron fucking grip on international conspiracism. What happened is years and years ago Russia realized they didn't have the hard or soft power to compete with the western world and just heavily invested in shit like this.
That's why every major conspiracy website is pro-Russia and rabidly anti-American. It's why RT is cited so often in conspiracy circles. For example, /r/conspiracy had a picture of Putin eating popcorn on their sidebar for over a month.
Russia has created an entire conspiracy movement that loves them and hates America.
There's an entire book talking about these tactics called "Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible."
A relevant quote:
At the end of the table sat one of the country’s most famous political TV presenters. He is small and speaks fast, with a smoky voice: We all know there will be no real politics. But we still have to give our viewers the sense something is happening. They need to be kept entertained. So what should we play with? Shall we attack oligarchs? [He continued,] Who’s the enemy this week? Politics has got to feel like . . . like a movie! The first thing the President had done when he came to power in 2000 was to seize control of television. It was television through which the Kremlin decided which politicians it would “allow” as its puppet-opposition, what the country’s history and fears and consciousness should be. And the new Kremlin won’t make the same mistake the old Soviet Union did: it will never let TV become dull. The task is to synthesize Soviet control with Western entertainment. Twenty-first-century Ostankino mixes show business and propaganda, ratings with authoritarianism. And at the center of the great show is the President himself, created from a no one, a gray fuzz via the power of television, so that he morphs as rapidly as a performance artist among his roles of soldier, lover, bare-chested hunter, businessman, spy, tsar, superman. “The news is the incense by which we bless Putin’s actions, make him the President,” TV producers and political technologists liked to say. Sitting in that smoky room, I had the sense that reality was somehow malleable, that I was with Prosperos who could project any existence they wanted onto post-Soviet Russia. But with every year I worked in Russia, and as the Kremlin became ever more paranoid, Ostankino’s strategies became ever more twisted, the need to incite panic and fear ever more urgent; rationality was tuned out, and Kremlin-friendly cults and hate-mongers were put on prime time to keep the nation entranced, distracted, as ever more foreign hirelings would arrive to help the Kremlin and spread its vision to the world.
The united states has been getting bent over in the disinformation war for as long as there's been a disinformation war.
Countries like China/Russia have an innate advantage in this kind of warfare. They don't have political gridlock because there is only one party in power.
They don't have to worry about censoring anyone, it's expected. This limits our ability to respond to disinformation campaigns.
they don't value free speech in the way we do.
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-19
putin represents a middle finger to the saudis and israel, thats all it is
if you think russia outspends america on propaganda then i have some wmds and aluminium tubes in the back of a truck to sell you
1 captainpriapism 2018-02-19
lol that guy blames russians for "videos of the far left acting crazy" and says that all of a sudden reddit was anti clinton
1 positiveandmultiple 2018-02-19
Gnash. Gnash their teeth. You're as illiterate as the orange cuck you voted for.