Lol, MBDTF is for sure his best album. His other albums are great, but with the exception of maybe TLOP (if you really stretch it), MBDTF is the only one that stands with the ancient poetic epics.
Speaking in technical "rap" terms, Eminem is better. HOWEVER, Kanye West is the overall better ARTIST from a music standpoint
I'm a huge Kanye stan but honestly it's gonna be really hard to make an argument that he's the greatest rapper of all time, in terms of technicality etc. I think Eminem probably wins
When it comes to technicality, Eminem is the winner.
This pretty much sums it up. I just spent a few weeks binging on Eminem and there's no way Kanye could keep up with Eminem in terms of rapping. But really, I think Kanye writes music that's way more melodic and interesting.
Kanye will never be as skilled of a rapper as Eminem was in his prime but Kanye's production and discography is where he excels above Eminem.
And these are Kanye fans in the Kanye subreddit.
Yes, Eminem didn't stick around (his latest one with Beyonce was OK, but not the best, and it's just one track). Yes, he didn't produce. But Kanye just can't hold a candle to Eminem at his best when it comes to lyrics.
But that doesn’t matter. I’m not talking about who’s a better lyricist. Nobody in their right kind would deny that. I’m talking about who’s a better rapper overall. Eminem’s best work probably isn’t as good as Kanye’s worst, and Ems worst work is utter shit.
Kanye ,though a brilliant producer is also just a great overall artist in terms of structuring an album. His production and artistic influence makes certain moments in his songs way more dramatic, way more fitting m. The interludes and track placements all create fitting payoffs in a way that no Eminem album does.
Em will never be on par with Kanye, ever. All he has is an ability to rhyme exceptionally well. None of the production or thematic elements, or artististry is present in any eminem album in the way it’s In Kanye
Do you think anyone denies that. You’d have to be an idiot to say Kanye raps better than Em, but you’d have to be an even bigger idiot to think Em in a better artist
More Significant producer, maybe. But no he is absolutely not a Bette producer and you’re lying if you think that.
Every single Eminem’s album for the past 10 years has been shit. His first few albums were good but absolutely not incredible. Kanye literally has no bad album. Even his “bad” albums like 808s and Yeezus which are totally not bad albums have tons of critical acclaim.
Kanye has 2 undeniable classics. MBDTF and TCD are unarguable, but many would probably say that LR and Grad are as well.
Eminem isn’t even a good comparison, there are way more rappers that could be compared to aye, to say that Eminem’s who has a discography comparable to M Night Shamylan, is anywhere near Kanye is just fucking dumb.
Dre is both more significant and in my opinion flat out better. He has sold more records has more production credits and finally had a larger impact across the hip-hop/rnb world. I wasn't comparing em to kanye I was pointing out they do different things. Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say But nothing comes out when they move their lips Just a bunch of gibberish And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre
So clearly you have never listened to Kanye. But whatever. We were talking about Eminem. It doesn’t matter if you think Dre’s production is better overall, clearly every single Lanye album has better production than any Eminem album, which Eminem didn’t even produce.
Also Dre is clearly not a better overall artist than Kanye. If you’re misinformed and have never listened to Kanye and have just really shitty opinions, you could maybe argue that he’s a better producer, provided that the Kanye Dan you’re arguing with is pretty dumb and can’t sting together a few words.
Please show me a Dre beat that’s as good as POWER, All of the Lights, Runaway, Flashing Lights, Lost in the World. There aren’t any. Dre is a very basic and stagnant producer, sure he’s revolutionary and influential, but his skill as a producer is limited and not very creative.
Dopeman is a better beat than Power? Lost in the World?
It’s catchy sure, but do you seriously think that some catchy sampling drums is better than Runaway with its minimalistic somber piano keys, layered instrumentation, and drum line.
Again, not to disprepect Dre. He paved the way for Kanye, but as a producer Kanye is clearly superior.
It’s funny how you’re just trying to assume I’m some idiot who hates Dre when in reality it seems to me that you know basically nothing about Kanye or his production.
I said many times that Dre is an incredible producer and very important, and that without Dre there’d be no Kanye. HOWEVER, Kanye’s talents as producer both technically and creatively have clearly surpassed Dre. The first caveman to bang a bone on a log is not a better drummer than ginger baker, just because he was the first.
When you want to have a conversation about music production, let me know. There’s more to music than just memorizing who did what first. Kanye is absolutely, without question a better artist than Dre, and Eminem. Hell, there are plenty of artists who you could make a way better argument for. Nas.Jayz. But to say Dre or Em are even within Kanye’s league is just total ignorance. You have no idea what the hell youre talkkng about.
This whole thread was made pointing to your unpopular opinion that Kanye is a once in a generation artist you then compare him to a bunch of people you shouldn't have. Nas is definitely better than Kanye. J is at least as good but if you are talking game changing once in a generation producers Dre is the one he had the single largest influence on the hiphop world I'm still not about to start saying he's more important than Homer or Dante lol get some perspective.
Lol at saying Nas is better than Kanye. Nas can’t produce the shit Kanye does, he does t have the artistic vision Kanye. I’m not talking about who strung together a sample and tapped out some 808 drums first, I’m talking about who created epic poetic masterpieces. Nas created some good albums and is a good rapper, better than dirty eminem, Dre laid the groundwork for producing, but Kanye made the best art.
Before you were at least somewhat grounded in reality. But now you’re just stupid. Even though most critical Kanye hater would say that Kanye, most of the time is good at rapping.
Oh here you go quoting some bad lines completely out of context. Doesn’t take away his well written lyrical songs like All Falls Down, Jesus Walks, Gone, Cant tell me nothin, Gorgeous, Power, No More Parties in LA, saint Pablo and many more.
“And what’s a black Beatle anyway, a fucking roach
I guess that’s why they got me sitting in fucking coach”
“Crack, raised the murder rate in D.C. and Maryland
We, invested in that, it’s like we got Merrill Lynched
And we been hangin from the same tree, ever since”
“couldn’t afford the car so she named her daughter alexis”
“I went to the malls and I balled too hard
“Oh my god, is that a black card?”
I turned around and replied, “Why yes
But I prefer the term African American Express”
“the hermes of verses – sophisticated ignorance write my curses in cursive”
If you think that’s bad lyricism, you’re on crack. And no, quoting bad lyrics from recent albums doesn’t mean he’s a bad lyricist. Just like Eric Clapton Unplugged didn’t suddenly make Eric Clapton an average guitarist.
“Sometimes people write novels and they just be so wordy and so self-absorbed,” West said. “I am not a fan of books. I would never want a book’s autograph.
“I am a proud non-reader of books"
Baiting /r/unpopularopinion is like picking on the special needs kid. It's way too easy. I made a throw away post arguing that the alt-right are sexually insecure beta males and it got like 200 comments. They're so damn retarded.
46 comments
5 Starship_Litterbox_B 2018-02-21
He is a great man in awe of the beauty of the world
5 loli_esports 2018-02-21
mbdtf isn't even his best album, this is some hhh shitpost
3 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Lol, MBDTF is for sure his best album. His other albums are great, but with the exception of maybe TLOP (if you really stretch it), MBDTF is the only one that stands with the ancient poetic epics.
5 loli_esports 2018-02-21
tfw you will never see yeezy preform in the globe, where he belongs
2 hobdobgumball 2018-02-21
Yes, it is. But every album before it is also amazing — maybe not 808s so much, but even that is still awesome.
1 mRNA28 2018-02-21
NO STOP. 808s was gr8
1 hobdobgumball 2018-02-21
I said it was awesome. I just don’t think it compares as well to most of his other work.
1 mRNA28 2018-02-21
o
you know what I'm so used to defending it that I didn't even read the rest. That's my b, pls forgiv.
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2018-02-21
The truth is 808s is his best and most accessible work.
4 wisty 2018-02-21
While Eminem isn't quite at his peak, he's just five years older than Kanye.
3 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Kanye is so much better than Eminem lol dude
7 wisty 2018-02-21
Well, don't take my word for it. Here's all the Kanye fan boys discussing who is better - https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/comments/3nmzxv/kanye_vs_eminem
A few quotes from them:
And these are Kanye fans in the Kanye subreddit.
Yes, Eminem didn't stick around (his latest one with Beyonce was OK, but not the best, and it's just one track). Yes, he didn't produce. But Kanye just can't hold a candle to Eminem at his best when it comes to lyrics.
6 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
But that doesn’t matter. I’m not talking about who’s a better lyricist. Nobody in their right kind would deny that. I’m talking about who’s a better rapper overall. Eminem’s best work probably isn’t as good as Kanye’s worst, and Ems worst work is utter shit.
Kanye ,though a brilliant producer is also just a great overall artist in terms of structuring an album. His production and artistic influence makes certain moments in his songs way more dramatic, way more fitting m. The interludes and track placements all create fitting payoffs in a way that no Eminem album does.
Em will never be on par with Kanye, ever. All he has is an ability to rhyme exceptionally well. None of the production or thematic elements, or artististry is present in any eminem album in the way it’s In Kanye
3 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
Kanye is a better producer, Eminem would destroy him in a freestyle battle.
5 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Do you think anyone denies that. You’d have to be an idiot to say Kanye raps better than Em, but you’d have to be an even bigger idiot to think Em in a better artist
4 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
You can't compare the 2 that's why I didn't (different skillsets) Objectively Dre is/was a much more significant producer than Kanye.
4 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
More Significant producer, maybe. But no he is absolutely not a Bette producer and you’re lying if you think that.
Every single Eminem’s album for the past 10 years has been shit. His first few albums were good but absolutely not incredible. Kanye literally has no bad album. Even his “bad” albums like 808s and Yeezus which are totally not bad albums have tons of critical acclaim.
Kanye has 2 undeniable classics. MBDTF and TCD are unarguable, but many would probably say that LR and Grad are as well.
Eminem isn’t even a good comparison, there are way more rappers that could be compared to aye, to say that Eminem’s who has a discography comparable to M Night Shamylan, is anywhere near Kanye is just fucking dumb.
3 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
Dre is both more significant and in my opinion flat out better. He has sold more records has more production credits and finally had a larger impact across the hip-hop/rnb world. I wasn't comparing em to kanye I was pointing out they do different things. Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say But nothing comes out when they move their lips Just a bunch of gibberish And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Dre
5 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
So clearly you have never listened to Kanye. But whatever. We were talking about Eminem. It doesn’t matter if you think Dre’s production is better overall, clearly every single Lanye album has better production than any Eminem album, which Eminem didn’t even produce.
Also Dre is clearly not a better overall artist than Kanye. If you’re misinformed and have never listened to Kanye and have just really shitty opinions, you could maybe argue that he’s a better producer, provided that the Kanye Dan you’re arguing with is pretty dumb and can’t sting together a few words.
Please show me a Dre beat that’s as good as POWER, All of the Lights, Runaway, Flashing Lights, Lost in the World. There aren’t any. Dre is a very basic and stagnant producer, sure he’s revolutionary and influential, but his skill as a producer is limited and not very creative.
2 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
https://youtube.com/watch?v=irn9FYJP2fY
Easy dopeman.
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Dopemsn? Are you fucking kidding me?
Dopeman is a better beat than Power? Lost in the World?
It’s catchy sure, but do you seriously think that some catchy sampling drums is better than Runaway with its minimalistic somber piano keys, layered instrumentation, and drum line.
Again, not to disprepect Dre. He paved the way for Kanye, but as a producer Kanye is clearly superior.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
I can't help it if you have no knowledge of your music history or exactly who made the tr-808 a thing in the hip hop world.
Yep it's timeless it was released in 1988 it's just as fresh today as it was back then.
I give you 6 for trolling hun you are putting in a good effort but you are a little transparent.
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
It’s funny how you’re just trying to assume I’m some idiot who hates Dre when in reality it seems to me that you know basically nothing about Kanye or his production.
I said many times that Dre is an incredible producer and very important, and that without Dre there’d be no Kanye. HOWEVER, Kanye’s talents as producer both technically and creatively have clearly surpassed Dre. The first caveman to bang a bone on a log is not a better drummer than ginger baker, just because he was the first.
When you want to have a conversation about music production, let me know. There’s more to music than just memorizing who did what first. Kanye is absolutely, without question a better artist than Dre, and Eminem. Hell, there are plenty of artists who you could make a way better argument for. Nas.Jayz. But to say Dre or Em are even within Kanye’s league is just total ignorance. You have no idea what the hell youre talkkng about.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
This whole thread was made pointing to your unpopular opinion that Kanye is a once in a generation artist you then compare him to a bunch of people you shouldn't have. Nas is definitely better than Kanye. J is at least as good but if you are talking game changing once in a generation producers Dre is the one he had the single largest influence on the hiphop world I'm still not about to start saying he's more important than Homer or Dante lol get some perspective.
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Lol at saying Nas is better than Kanye. Nas can’t produce the shit Kanye does, he does t have the artistic vision Kanye. I’m not talking about who strung together a sample and tapped out some 808 drums first, I’m talking about who created epic poetic masterpieces. Nas created some good albums and is a good rapper, better than dirty eminem, Dre laid the groundwork for producing, but Kanye made the best art.
He is truly among the greats of Dante and Virgil.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
Kanye's ryhmes are terrible. You shouldn't compare him to skilled wordsmiths because he isn't one.
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Before you were at least somewhat grounded in reality. But now you’re just stupid. Even though most critical Kanye hater would say that Kanye, most of the time is good at rapping.
Oh here you go quoting some bad lines completely out of context. Doesn’t take away his well written lyrical songs like All Falls Down, Jesus Walks, Gone, Cant tell me nothin, Gorgeous, Power, No More Parties in LA, saint Pablo and many more.
“And what’s a black Beatle anyway, a fucking roach I guess that’s why they got me sitting in fucking coach”
“Crack, raised the murder rate in D.C. and Maryland We, invested in that, it’s like we got Merrill Lynched And we been hangin from the same tree, ever since”
“couldn’t afford the car so she named her daughter alexis”
“I went to the malls and I balled too hard “Oh my god, is that a black card?” I turned around and replied, “Why yes But I prefer the term African American Express”
“the hermes of verses – sophisticated ignorance write my curses in cursive”
If you think that’s bad lyricism, you’re on crack. And no, quoting bad lyrics from recent albums doesn’t mean he’s a bad lyricist. Just like Eric Clapton Unplugged didn’t suddenly make Eric Clapton an average guitarist.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
Clearly he is a master wordsmith
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
Stupid quote. But who cares lol. This literally proves nothing. We’re not talking about whether Kanye reads lol wtf is this?
Yeah, he is a good word smith and I showed, would you like more examples or would just like to keep pulling unrelated shit in.
1 wisty 2018-02-21
Yeah, but you're talking about Kanye as a producer.
Is he a producer or a rapper? If he's a producer then compare him to a good producer. If he's a rapper then compare him to a good rapper.
He's a good producer and a good rapper. He's not god-like at either though.
1 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
He’s a producer and a rapper, but he’s definitely a superior producer.
Hes a good rapper and He’s a pretty god-like producer actually. MBDTF probably has the best production of any hip-hip album ever made.
4 Wordshark 2018-02-21
Here’s where I brag about still never having heard a Kanye West song 😌🖕
8 DrydCumYum 2018-02-21
What a stupid thing to brag about. You probably don’t get out much and are very ugly
3 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-21
What’s it like being a hermit?
1 Strictlybutters 2018-02-21
U that dumb dumb
1 hellohello1992 2018-02-21
If you've gone outside at least once in tbe past 10 years you probably have.
1 IllAudience 2018-02-21
The only one i've heard is the one in saints row
3 Walraven_van_Hall 2018-02-21
I don't understand why kanye fans are so toxic and so defensive of him.
4 wtfuxlolwut 2018-02-21
Autism and homoerotic tendencies.
2 pepperouchau 2018-02-21
What is this thread flair? Gas all mods.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-02-21
Kanye does suck ass. "SkRAAAAAAA SKIBITY BOP GUCCI GUCCI GUCCI GAAAAAANG" is not music. Lol
1 pepperouchau 2018-02-21
Not that it matters in this sub, but that's not really an accurate characterization of his music
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1 seshfan 2018-02-21
Baiting /r/unpopularopinion is like picking on the special needs kid. It's way too easy. I made a throw away post arguing that the alt-right are sexually insecure beta males and it got like 200 comments. They're so damn retarded.
1 nmx179 2018-02-21
F I N G E R S I N T H E B O O T Y A S S B I T C H
1 DramzLol 2018-02-21
If all you listen to is shit chart music I can see how you might think Kanye West is "the greatest artist of our generation" sure
Fucking Christ someone put these plebs out of their misery holy shit