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Billy Graham fought for civil rights starting in the 50's and paid MLK's bail once, but he also hated the gays and was a creationist. His beliefs didn't toe modern partisan lines.
About ten percent of the Guardian's commenters get that, and the rest are just spouting /r/atheism tier garbage. Hey, britbongs, are people on your side of the Atlantic not over new atheism yet?
a detailed deconstruction and critique of every book and verse of Christianity and Islam showing that at best the most fanatical iron age interpretation is clearly what the fanatic iron peasants who wrote the books intended.
e.g. there is a link between killing gays and religions that tell you to kill all gays.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
Shitpost answer: God and religion are dumb and if you believe in them you're dumb.
Seriouspost answer: the worldview presented by our best understanding of science is fundamentally incompatible with that of religion and scholars who say otherwise do a disservice to the public.
Nuanced seriouspost: new atheism is not 'new' exactly. It refers to a wave of thought in public discourse that started somewhere around the time of The Selfish Gene being published in 1976 and ended with "faces of /r/atheism".
There was a three pronged approach in New Atheism, lets call them the Argument from Science, the Argument from Morality, and the Argument from Theology.
Dawkins argued that the worlds religions make big claims about the nature of the universe, all of which are wrong and not only wrong but actively worse and less interesting than what science shows.
Hitchens argued the religions were so anti-humanist and that faith based reasoning so prone to authoritarianism and dictatorship that they must be intimately related.
Harris argued that that if you were to actually follow the contents of the religions than it would only be extremists, and that the outcomes of violence and oppression would not be equal. Therefore each religion is bad for specific reasons and that some religion are worse than others, often based around subtle theological precepts.
All true. I want about to explain all that to a retarded slob like /u/JohnTheOrc
Props to you for throwing down the gauntlet on CTH by the way. I was tempted to post that thread here. I genuinely find it interesting how much atheists (especially the uppercase A kind) wind up in confrontations with leftists. Why is that do you think?
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1 alternate-source-bot 2018-02-22
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1 likearasputin 2018-02-22
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1 DayOfTheRake 2018-02-22
Billy Graham fought for civil rights starting in the 50's and paid MLK's bail once, but he also hated the gays and was a creationist. His beliefs didn't toe modern partisan lines.
About ten percent of the Guardian's commenters get that, and the rest are just spouting /r/atheism tier garbage. Hey, britbongs, are people on your side of the Atlantic not over new atheism yet?
1 safetybj 2018-02-22
The alt-right is by and large on the opposite side of all of those issues.
1 disgruntled_chode 2018-02-22
White gay men are often pretty reactionary when it comes to non-gay rights issues, I've found.
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
oh, you poor piece of fucking shit, did someone tell you that the claims of New Atheism were ever refuted?
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2018-02-22
New Atheism was literally destroyed by a tip of a fedora
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
If the only critique that stuck was a meme mocking an autistic tween then it's pretty much a stamp of validity.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
What were the claims of the New Atheists anyway?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
a detailed deconstruction and critique of every book and verse of Christianity and Islam showing that at best the most fanatical iron age interpretation is clearly what the fanatic iron peasants who wrote the books intended.
e.g. there is a link between killing gays and religions that tell you to kill all gays.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
Jesus seems like an okay guy, tbh. What do you have against Him?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
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1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
Hmm, you wouldn’t expect atheists to be so puritan. Do you need your smelling salts?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
The religion itself is puritan. I'm just actually reading what it says instead of clinging to it in the face of the evidence.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
You’ve read the Bible?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
Reading the bible is the fastest path to atheism.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
Funny that all the verses you've quoted are ones that get passed around among atheists a lot.
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
Because if bible seems to support the crusades and the extremists, if you follow the theology.
1 Diaperologist 2018-02-22
Shitpost answer: God and religion are dumb and if you believe in them you're dumb.
Seriouspost answer: the worldview presented by our best understanding of science is fundamentally incompatible with that of religion and scholars who say otherwise do a disservice to the public.
Nuanced seriouspost: new atheism is not 'new' exactly. It refers to a wave of thought in public discourse that started somewhere around the time of The Selfish Gene being published in 1976 and ended with "faces of /r/atheism".
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
There was a three pronged approach in New Atheism, lets call them the Argument from Science, the Argument from Morality, and the Argument from Theology.
Dawkins argued that the worlds religions make big claims about the nature of the universe, all of which are wrong and not only wrong but actively worse and less interesting than what science shows.
Hitchens argued the religions were so anti-humanist and that faith based reasoning so prone to authoritarianism and dictatorship that they must be intimately related.
Harris argued that that if you were to actually follow the contents of the religions than it would only be extremists, and that the outcomes of violence and oppression would not be equal. Therefore each religion is bad for specific reasons and that some religion are worse than others, often based around subtle theological precepts.
1 Diaperologist 2018-02-22
All true. I want about to explain all that to a retarded slob like /u/JohnTheOrc
Props to you for throwing down the gauntlet on CTH by the way. I was tempted to post that thread here. I genuinely find it interesting how much atheists (especially the uppercase A kind) wind up in confrontations with leftists. Why is that do you think?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
Islam.
1 Diaperologist 2018-02-22
100% agree. That raises even more questions than it answered but I won't take up your time
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-02-22
Hey, it’s you! We still have to finish our argument about agnosticism
1 DayOfTheRake 2018-02-22
Hey boys, we got a live one!
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
Jokes on you I died a long time ago.
1 Bustwe 2018-02-22
I predict a flood of enlightened atheism drama over the next week.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2018-02-22
Isn't this the guy that bailed out MLK multiple times?
1 PotatoePizza 2018-02-22
social justice warriors contain huge amounts of religious extremists. why do you think criticisng Islam is so forbidden by them?
It's also the reason that gays and atheists are being pushed out of the left.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-02-22
He was for civil rights when it was unpopular.
http://www.crmvet.org/docs/60s_crm_public-opinion.pdf
1 ShinJoe 2018-02-22
Certainly not the harshest critic of Graham. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhSOi0Cg1MA