I cannot foresee a time when I can be confident that your danger will have ended or decreased sufficiently to enable me to pass a determinate or extended sentence.”
Yeah, can't teach an old dog new tricks and at 17 the dude is practically at retirement age!
The crown opposed the application to lift the restrictions, but the judge ruled that it was in the public interest to identify Gunton, who is 18 in April.
The...what. The fuck is wrong with this judge?
After the hearing, Det Supt Jim Hall, the head of the Wales extremism and counter-terrorism unit, said: “The sentence reflects the gravity of the offences committed by this 17-year-old and, I hope, will serve as a deterrent to anyone considering such actions in the future.
Well that kinda explains why they have so much terrorism I guess.
"Durr, put the idiot kid who's been radicalised into prison. That's definitely the smartest and cheapest way of making us safe!"
This is the kind of sentence you give to someone who isn't still figuring shit out.
17 year olds are morons. Especially autistic 17 year olds. It isn't that hard to convince them to do really fucked up things with a bit of consistent effort.
Also I'm not saying don't do anything. I'm saying that if you think a 17-year-old is going to be the same way now as he is six years later...you actually must be mentally deficient.
Anti-social past the age of 4 has basically zero chance of rehabilitation. If you're 17 years old and have thoughts of stabbing strangers for make-believe kingdoms, you're a broken human and we say bye-bye.
Because the chances of it happening are "basically zero".
Probably because no one tries. It's this retarded idea:
"If someone ever makes a serious mistake, it is literally impossible for them to ever become the kind of person who won't do it in the future. Oh, except for every single time it has happened. Those were just unusual, inexplicable events
You're right. Thousands of years of civilization and no one has ever tried to stop people from killing each other. We've been waiting for your wisdom to bless us.
Holy shit, apparently you do need my magical "wisdom"
How about taking the idiot out of society and reeducating him about what went wrong and why his worldview is complete garbage?
You didn't even watch a fucking 4-minute youtube video that explained exactly why someone can change if they're consistently given a chance.
For the millionth time: my only problem is the idea that a 17-year-old cannot change. I also have a problem with the idea that terrorists can't change their mind, because if you seriously think they're all smart enough to explain why their opinions are valid then you haven't wondered why they keep shooting at people enough.
But I don't think all people are wonderful and that shit humans don't exist. I just think it's baffling that was considered "beyond reasonable doubt" to this judge.
I'm not saying rehabilitation is impossible. I'm saying the numbers aren't good enough to justify the resources necessary to re-educate him when there's already tons of people who aren't murderous headcases at the age of 17.
Of course it isn't impossible to change him, I just don't give a shit and think he should be thrown away.
I'm not saying rehabilitation is impossible. I'm saying the numbers aren't good enough to justify the resources
Christ, I wish I knew that earlier.
Prison is more expensive than rehabilitation per year and it results in healthy people, not criminals, faaaaaar more often.
So if you're a numbers guy, you should think this judge is a complete idiot. Because 17-year-olds are still mentally developing, so the success rate of rehab is dramatically increased.
Apologizes for terrorists and fantasizes about yelling at the victims...
Yes, it's easy when you're right.
Incapable of honesty...
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I HAVEN'T LET THAT STOP ME FROM USING IT AS A POINT
Are you sure you aren't retarded? You advocate for killing deranged 17-year-olds instead of rehabilitating them and you're trying to make me look like the amoral person here?
Let the record confirm /u/satafly agrees with my assertion.
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I HAVEN'T LET THAT STOP ME FROM USING IT AS A POINT
I see that. I would suggest a bit more integrity in the future though. You can't use rehabilitation as a point if you admit you have no fucking clue how successful it would even be. You're operating on an emotional basis when you should be thinking clearly.
You advocate for killing deranged 17-year-olds instead of rehabilitating them and you're trying to make me look like the amoral person here?
I advocate solving problems while you advocate unproven methods that are possibly ineffective. Furthermore, if they prove to be ineffective you plan on telling the future victims to suck it.
But no, you're not being amoral. You're being immoral.
Furthermore, if they prove to be ineffective you plan on telling the future victims to suck it.
Oh no, if there was a real effort to rehabilitate a terrorist sympathiser and they still killed someone, I'd feel very sorry for the victim's families.
But since no one does that, I'll tell the victims they're wrong when they're wrong. Kinda like Rubio did when he explained that an assault weapons ban was stupid to the parents of dead kids.
But no, you're not being amoral, because words have meanings. You're being immoral.
"People's feelings are more important than someone's life" is your moral worldview and it's fucking retarded. Calling me immoral doesn't make me wrong.
Oh no, if there was a real effort to rehabilitate a terrorist sympathiser
Lmao, this guy isn't a sympathiser. He's A FUCKING TERRORIST.
But since no one does that, I'll tell the victims they're wrong when they're wrong. Kinda like Rubio did when he explained that an assault weapons ban was stupid to the parents of dead kids.
"But until you guys try my ideas, which I admit have zero proven efficacy, you can STFU."
Terrorists are more important than innocent familes, got it.
"People's feelings are more important than someone's life" is your moral worldview and it's fucking retarded.
Says the guy who wants to release a potentially reformed man who has shown an eagerness to gut strangers back into the public.
"A terrorists life is more important than your safety" is your moral worldview and it will literally get people killed.
"But until you guys try my ideas, which I admit have zero proven efficacy, you can STFU."
Your ideas are literally fucking failing and creating more terrorists, counter-terrorist academics comprehensively agree.
Yeah, fuck it, you should probably try the method that, holy shit, actually has worked because I linked you a video from one of the head of the KKK who said himself that one man destroyed an entire section of the KKK by treating them really really nicely. The KKK are radical as fuck and actually killed people, in case you forgot. I don't know exactly how often it would work, but it couldn't possibly be worse than sending radicalised teenagers to prison with violent thugs twice their age so they can be bullied into being a big tough man.
All while spending more money to do it. And if any of them slip through the net and end up back in society, now you definitely have someone who is extremely dangerous and beyond improvement or redemption.
"A terrorists life is more important than your safety" is your moral worldview and it will literally get people killed.
Your worldview seems to be getting more dead people, and wasting more money than mine. But it sure feels good to be angry, doesn't it?
Your ideas are literally fucking failing and creating more terrorists, counter-terrorist academics comprehensively agree.
If executing a terrorist makes you want to become a terrorist, get in line. We'll gladly execute you too.
Yeah, fuck it, you should probably try the method that, holy shit, actually has worked because I linked you a video from one of the head of the KKK who said himself that one man destroyed an entire section of the KKK by treating them really really nicely. The KKK are radical as fuck and actually killed people, in case you forgot.
I can pretty much guarantee you that the people converted did not actually commit murders or even plan them in the way our beloved Welsh autist did.
I don't know exactly how often it would work, but it couldn't possibly be worse than sending radicalised teenagers to prison with violent thugs twice their age so they can be bullied into being a big tough man.
Like I said, I don't think he should be in prison.
Your worldview seems to be getting more dead people, and wasting more money than mine. But it sure feels good to be angry, doesn't it?
You admit no one is trying out your worldview though, so how are you saving money compared to me?
A lot of innocent people have been saved by those appeals. Get rid of them because you're impatient for your little sadistic entertainment and they'd be dead.
Gunton’s defense argued that the boy, who suffers from an autism spectrum disorder, had no intention of carrying out an attack, and that “he was drawn into it, curiosity getting the better of him.”
Gunton himself said he “wanted to see how easy it was for people who had an interest in terrorism to go online and get information, because the police and the government are trying to crack down on terrorism and radicalization. I wanted to see if it was possible, not for me, but from someone else’s point of view.”
"I know GCHQ are monitoring everything I do, so I'm going to leave digital and physical evidence that I'm planning a terror attack" Did this guy have a fucking sheep for a lawyer?
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1 aliceunknown 2018-03-04
Lol, a welsh terrorist.
1 The_Rachel 2018-03-04
They're pretty stupid 😉
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-03-04
I mean it's already implied :D
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-03-04
freedom fighter
1 imnotagayboy 2018-03-04
He'll be getting shagged by sheep in welsh prison
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Yeah, can't teach an old dog new tricks and at 17 the dude is practically at retirement age!
The...what. The fuck is wrong with this judge?
Well that kinda explains why they have so much terrorism I guess.
"Durr, put the idiot kid who's been radicalised into prison. That's definitely the smartest and cheapest way of making us safe!"
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Wow, I didn't expect actual terrorist apologia.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
He's a kid lol.
This is the kind of sentence you give to someone who isn't still figuring shit out.
17 year olds are morons. Especially autistic 17 year olds. It isn't that hard to convince them to do really fucked up things with a bit of consistent effort.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Hey, ISIS. You hear that? Just make sure all your gunmen are <18.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
They...they do target teenagers?
Also I'm not saying don't do anything. I'm saying that if you think a 17-year-old is going to be the same way now as he is six years later...you actually must be mentally deficient.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Anti-social past the age of 4 has basically zero chance of rehabilitation. If you're 17 years old and have thoughts of stabbing strangers for make-believe kingdoms, you're a broken human and we say bye-bye.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Wrong.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Don't you wonder why it's so noteworthy when someone turns around like this? Because the chances of it happening are "basically zero".
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Probably because no one tries. It's this retarded idea:
"If someone ever makes a serious mistake, it is literally impossible for them to ever become the kind of person who won't do it in the future. Oh, except for every single time it has happened. Those were just unusual, inexplicable events
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
You're right. Thousands of years of civilization and no one has ever tried to stop people from killing each other. We've been waiting for your wisdom to bless us.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Holy shit, apparently you do need my magical "wisdom"
How about taking the idiot out of society and reeducating him about what went wrong and why his worldview is complete garbage?
You didn't even watch a fucking 4-minute youtube video that explained exactly why someone can change if they're consistently given a chance.
For the millionth time: my only problem is the idea that a 17-year-old cannot change. I also have a problem with the idea that terrorists can't change their mind, because if you seriously think they're all smart enough to explain why their opinions are valid then you haven't wondered why they keep shooting at people enough.
But I don't think all people are wonderful and that shit humans don't exist. I just think it's baffling that was considered "beyond reasonable doubt" to this judge.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
I'm not saying rehabilitation is impossible. I'm saying the numbers aren't good enough to justify the resources necessary to re-educate him when there's already tons of people who aren't murderous headcases at the age of 17.
Of course it isn't impossible to change him, I just don't give a shit and think he should be thrown away.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Christ, I wish I knew that earlier.
Prison is more expensive than rehabilitation per year and it results in healthy people, not criminals, faaaaaar more often.
So if you're a numbers guy, you should think this judge is a complete idiot. Because 17-year-olds are still mentally developing, so the success rate of rehab is dramatically increased.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
What are the rehab rates for mentally challenged individuals with mass-murder fantasies?
I don't think he should be imprisoned :)
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
The death penalty is more expensive than prison.
You're an idiot, mate.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Only because of appeals.
I'd love to hear you talk about how expensive it is when you're handsome and reformed tard relapses and butchers a few middle schoolers.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Yes. Appeals are a legal process.
Lol I'll scream this in the face of parents who lost kids to mass shooting. Being upset doesn't make you right, idiot.
I haven't.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Apologizes for terrorists.
Wants to scream at victims.
Are you sure you aren't a psychopath? You're really throwing red flags left and right.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Yes, it's easy when you're right.
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I HAVEN'T LET THAT STOP ME FROM USING IT AS A POINT
Are you sure you aren't retarded? You advocate for killing deranged 17-year-olds instead of rehabilitating them and you're trying to make me look like the amoral person here?
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Let the record confirm /u/satafly agrees with my assertion.
I see that. I would suggest a bit more integrity in the future though. You can't use rehabilitation as a point if you admit you have no fucking clue how successful it would even be. You're operating on an emotional basis when you should be thinking clearly.
I advocate solving problems while you advocate unproven methods that are possibly ineffective. Furthermore, if they prove to be ineffective you plan on telling the future victims to suck it.
But no, you're not being amoral. You're being immoral.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Oh no, if there was a real effort to rehabilitate a terrorist sympathiser and they still killed someone, I'd feel very sorry for the victim's families.
But since no one does that, I'll tell the victims they're wrong when they're wrong. Kinda like Rubio did when he explained that an assault weapons ban was stupid to the parents of dead kids.
"People's feelings are more important than someone's life" is your moral worldview and it's fucking retarded. Calling me immoral doesn't make me wrong.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
Lmao, this guy isn't a sympathiser. He's A FUCKING TERRORIST.
"But until you guys try my ideas, which I admit have zero proven efficacy, you can STFU."
Terrorists are more important than innocent familes, got it.
Says the guy who wants to release a potentially reformed man who has shown an eagerness to gut strangers back into the public.
"A terrorists life is more important than your safety" is your moral worldview and it will literally get people killed.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Your ideas are literally fucking failing and creating more terrorists, counter-terrorist academics comprehensively agree.
Yeah, fuck it, you should probably try the method that, holy shit, actually has worked because I linked you a video from one of the head of the KKK who said himself that one man destroyed an entire section of the KKK by treating them really really nicely. The KKK are radical as fuck and actually killed people, in case you forgot. I don't know exactly how often it would work, but it couldn't possibly be worse than sending radicalised teenagers to prison with violent thugs twice their age so they can be bullied into being a big tough man.
All while spending more money to do it. And if any of them slip through the net and end up back in society, now you definitely have someone who is extremely dangerous and beyond improvement or redemption.
Your worldview seems to be getting more dead people, and wasting more money than mine. But it sure feels good to be angry, doesn't it?
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
If executing a terrorist makes you want to become a terrorist, get in line. We'll gladly execute you too.
I can pretty much guarantee you that the people converted did not actually commit murders or even plan them in the way our beloved Welsh autist did.
Like I said, I don't think he should be in prison.
You admit no one is trying out your worldview though, so how are you saving money compared to me?
1 watermark02 2018-03-04
A lot of innocent people have been saved by those appeals. Get rid of them because you're impatient for your little sadistic entertainment and they'd be dead.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
No one is proclaiming this guy's innocence though.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Cite.
1 watermark02 2018-03-04
He's eligible for parole after eleven years, did you read the article? Wasn't given a whole life sentence.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2018-03-04
Trying to carry out a terrorist attack isn't the type of shit that is just a 'mistake'. Some things you can't come back from.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Justify. Especially considering there are no victims in this story.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Yes, congratulations. You figured out that people aren't all completely identical.
Doesn't mean that 17-year-olds are definitely going to be radical terrorists for the rest of their lives.
1 better_bot 2018-03-04
"SOME 17 YEAR OLDS ARE MURDERERS AND YOU SHOULD JUST ACCEPT THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE"
Only because we don't practice the death penalty anymore.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Come on mate, I already said "don't do nothing"
Shit, are you actually autistic?
1 newfagalt 2018-03-04
lmao we all know you're only saying this because he's white. Remind you of yourself? I hope someone's keeping an eye on you.
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
Shit, maybe. I'd probably identify with this kid less if he didn't have my skin colour.
I don't think so though. I'm surrounded by non-white people and it's pretty chill.
1 newfagalt 2018-03-04
The trick is to not see the Welsh as people
1 Satafly 2018-03-04
I'm New South Welsh and I'm offended!
But I understand. The Old North Welsh are a little weird.
1 NH_NH_NH 2018-03-04
cant make this up LMAO
1 imnotagayboy 2018-03-04
"I know GCHQ are monitoring everything I do, so I'm going to leave digital and physical evidence that I'm planning a terror attack" Did this guy have a fucking sheep for a lawyer?
1 Gothmog26 2018-03-04
Look at the years rolling down his chubby cheeks. This is delicious.
1 realrapevictim 2018-03-04
Tyrone's gonna like that THICC butterball bussy boyo