'Capitalism ruins sex'

59  2018-03-06 by Wild_Hunt

86 comments

Some instances of rent for sex in capitalism

Wow capitalism is awful

~11 million dead from communism

But that's not real communism

Those deaths was nazi propoganda..you know, if you take CTH word for it.

Actually at least 20 million

China's famine alone crosses the 20 million mark, by lowest estimates.

Give or take, communism has directly lead to the death of about 100m people. Especially if we include later commie regimes like NK and now Venezuela.

TL;DR: communism is another reason why we need mayocide

but it’s all asians and spaniards

It was invented by a mayo

eh? yeah i guess

hey now, only like 30 million of those are actually attributable to communism

the rest are just attributable to Communists. or bad weather

Wait till /u/SirBrendantheBold finds out that some women have sex for straight cash. Not sure whether he’ll swap mass starvation for a chance at getting laid.

The funny thing is /u/SirBrendantheBold holding an opinion on what could ruin an act they've never engaged in personally.

Well this is an odd thread. Hello everyone, I'm the betaboy cuck who doesn't like people being forced to sell their bodies just to avoid homelessness. This is appropriately dramatic.

So let's get a couple things set up from the start. First I was homeless when I was young which makes me particularly sensitive to the subject (I know, I'm such a bitch). Secondly, I was very successful in my sex life and it always happily involved consent. It's not very nice to suggest that I'm a rapist virgin. Thirdly, I am happily married to a wonderful partner who supports me and regularly makes me both loved and beautiful (lol, gay). Stereotypes can be fun; they're also stupidly inaccurate.

My response wasn't to 'some instances'. My response is to a system that despite having such apparant abundance manufactures conditions of scarcity to such a degree as to extort young people into selling their bodies as commodities. It is not an experience, criticism, or problem isolated to sex work. It is simply a dynamic that was crystalized at that particular moment at that particular activity within the system of capitalism.

As to the constantly stated argument that all communists love famine and repression, even poisoning the well on a rebuke of this, I am not a Stalinist. That is one variant of Marxist thought and one not particularly popular outside of edgy online communities. I am what is called an anarcho-communist or libertarian-socialist. We take after the Marxist tradition and writers like Kropotkin in rejecting the party line or authoritarian transitions equally alongside capitalism. The anarchists of Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War were not authoritarian and neither was the Free State of Ukraine (our actual history).

Or, y'know, keep pretending that I am literally Stalin.....hope I've given you enough ammo to 'throw shade'. Enjoy yourself, homies.

post bussy

betaboy cuck

"Soy-fed leftoid" is the preferred nomenclature around here

This does not compute. While I do love the estrogen of soy I can't help but worry no Islamist will literally fuck my wife unless I also identify as a cuck. The beta-boy is obviously to remind them that I will not resist their sharia law.

Hello everyone, I'm the betaboy cuck who doesn't like people being forced to sell their bodies just to avoid homelessness.

So are you against all jobs, or is sex super special for some reason?

I am against jobs that happen not because the person has chosen to do them but because they were compelled by desperation by them. As I said, sex work is not unique but it particularly ugly. Someone grinding twelve hour days away in shit conditions for shit pay is also pretty awful.

Capitalism has existed for roughly 200 years. Why are people so convinced that we won't work without it? We work to provide and for respect. Money becomes a symbolic incentive for this but hardly the sole embodiment of it. There have been countless different market and non-market arrangement, including anarcho-communism, and not once have we stopped working. If anything, capitalism is unique in that it requires a labour surplus and unemployment to function. We do what we've always done, build houses and produce goods because we need them. The only difference is there won't be a capitalist monopoly siphoning off the 'surplus value' of our toil.

Capitalism has existed for roughly 200 years

Um.

I am against jobs that happen not because the person has chosen to do them but because they were compelled by desperation by them

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I refuse to do any sort of work. Please hand me the means to continue living at my current level of comfort.

I am against jobs that happen not because the person has chosen to do them but because they were compelled by desperation by them.

So all jobs. Got it.

All jobs in a capitalist market arrangement, yes.

So what you're saying is, prostitution is no worse than being a high-paid executive.

Got it.

That is not what I said. I think you're being silly. You are, you are being silly!

You got it.

We take after the Marxist tradition and writers like Kropotkin in rejecting the party line or authoritarian transitions equally alongside capitalism. The anarchists of Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War were not authoritarian and neither was the Free State of Ukraine (our actual history).

So you dream of one day being brutally stomped on by your nearly-indistinguishable rival communists instead of just massacring kulaks?

That has been a distinct historical trend... Which is why most communists hate what we call tankies (USSR apologists who deny anything bad ever happened there).

We are however very easy to distinguish. We don't want a vanguard party or centralized state; we don't want gulags; and we don't want the state to replace the capitalist model. We want workers to own factories and firms in cooperative and democratic systems, in which voting labourers can both elect and replace leadership while critical decisions of operation are left to direct democracy. These models already exist and have been demonstrated to have high levels of productivity without any 'boss.

No, we do not want to murder kulaks. 'Remember Kronstadt' is a common phrase for our side of Marxism. Our enemy is the 8 people who own more wealth than the bottom half of the world combined, or the 2000 people who own half of the world's wealth combined. We don't resent free enterprise; we celebrate it. What we do resent is theft of the value of our labour.

while critical decisions of operation are left to direct democracy

The average person is fucking retarded and a Trumptard that doesn't believe in climate change.

Why would I want to live in such a world?

There are a couple major advantages. First, we advocate the dissolution of federal and state governments, relying exclusively on municipal. Municipal governments are much more intimately connected and also don't have nearly as much grandstanding or circus. Trade unions facilitate networks of support and markets between the municipal/communal/firm production.

Anarchism also relies on limitations of power (naturally). We don't acknowledge the right of any government or representation to create laws or actions that harm others. While a community leader may organize collective endeavours like road maintenance, it certainly doesn't include the right to suddenly ban gays or Muslims. Otherwise, so long as you're not hurting anyone, there is no right for the community to infringe on you.

Capital and state are inseparable. This is why, in America, voter opinion has a null influence on policy and law while the positions of the 1% have near total. Democracy in capitalism is fundamentally perverted. That isn't a failing of democracy but the society it is enshrined within.

First, we advocate the dissolution of federal and state governments, relying exclusively on municipal.

If Municipal fucks me over who do I go to?

and also don't have nearly as much grandstanding or circus.

How do you know that?

Trade unions facilitate networks of support and markets between the municipal/communal/firm production.

Who decides the most efficient mode of transport?

We don't acknowledge the right of any government or representation to create laws or actions that harm others.

And what exactly does the municipal and the trade union do?

While a community leader may organize collective endeavours like road maintenance, it certainly doesn't include the right to suddenly ban gays or Muslims.

Guy hates gays, says the road to a predominantly gay community doesnt need roads maintenance.

Otherwise, so long as you're not hurting anyone, there is no right for the community to infringe on you.

My response is to a system that despite having such apparant abundance manufactures conditions of scarcity to such a degree as to extort young people into selling their bodies as commodities.

People have always sold their bodies as commodities. When you engage in any type of labor you're literally selling your body. Women have traded sex for security and social status since time immemorial. The big objection here is that we've entered post-feminism and rather than wrap that exchange in all the cultural and romantic trappings that made it palatable some people don't care if others are offended and have boiled the exchange down to its most basic essence: you fuck me and I give you something.

If a woman doesn't want to trade her ass for a roof over her head she can always go to a shelter, get a job and save some money, and once stable rent her own space for cash. That involves a bit of hardship and difficulty, but I'm not being "exploited" because I'm trading my labor for cash, and neither is anyone else. Anyone who decides to take the relatively easy route of laying back and spreading their legs to get what they want is making their own choices. If they have other options, and they do, they aren't being exploited for their bodies any more than they're exploiting the people they end up sleeping with for their property.

dang ur terrible

Pretty much, yeah, what did you expect to find here on /r/Drama?

mostlu terrible shit that i like reading

Reasonable and person aren’t words that apply to communists

when have anarchists ever lived long enough to mass-starve?

How many people died from poverty under capitalism?

How many people died from poverty under capitalism?

A fraction of the number who died from legitimate starvation under communism?

Pretty sure if you die from poverty in America you actually died from retardation

I like communism better, because those capitalist bitches might not even fuck you once a month in exchange for expensive rent in a big city. Communist bitches will do it for a head of cabbage or a loaf of bread, no questions asked.

its definitely not real communsim, but definitely real capitalism kills a shitload anyway

Lavrentiy Beria

Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria (Russian: Лавре́нтий Па́влович Бе́рия, IPA: [ˈbʲerʲiə], Georgian: ლავრენტი პავლეს ძე ბერია, Lavrenti Pavles dze Beria, IPA: [bɛriɑ]; English: ; 29 March 1899 – 23 December 1953) was a Soviet politician of Georgian ethnicity, Marshal of the Soviet Union and state security administrator, chief of the Soviet security and secret police apparatus (NKVD) under Joseph Stalin during World War II, and promoted to deputy premier under Stalin from 1941. He later officially joined the Politburo in 1946.

Beria was the longest-lived and most influential of Stalin's secret police chiefs, wielding his most substantial influence during and after World War II. He simultaneously administered vast sections of the Soviet state and acted as the de facto Marshal of the Soviet Union in command of NKVD field units responsible for barrier troops and Soviet partisan intelligence and sabotage operations on the Eastern Front during World War II. Beria administered the vast expansion of the Gulag labor camps and was primarily responsible for overseeing the secret detention facilities for scientists and engineers known as sharashkas.

He attended the Yalta Conference with Stalin, who introduced him to U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt as "our Himmler".


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Nothing wrong with slavery, if you ask me.

white people

🤢

wh*te

Pls stop using offensive and problematic terms. This is fucking wholesome family friendly area you dumb slut.

I'm so sorry. I hope one day eventually you can find it in your heart to forgive me for this stupid and careless transgression.

family

gtfo nazi

reeeee

white "people"

semen contains up to 10 calories per average amount produced.

implying mayos can come up with that much cum

hey we aren't called cumskins for nothing

No that's just that wh*te color of mayo skin.

umm are they saying this just to SPITE sex workers? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?

I guess I won't tell them about the Bulgarian woman I dated who lost her virginity to the local Commissar so that her parents wouldn't lose their house. The good news is that he didn't make her do anal until her birthday when she turned 14.

Dating people who were 14 before Eastern bloc fell

Get out oldfag.

No, you whippersnapper!

That wasn't real Communism though

Of course it wasn't precious.

dating femoids

Gulag when?

I mean she was from a soviet block country, so she couldn't have really been that feminine right?

correct me if i’m wrong, but i don’t think the Soviet bloc was very anarchist

implying there is literally any difference between commies and anarchists

Haha good one friendo

anarchists are Bizarro Commies. they look the same, but they’re VERY different

I don't think reddit anarchists are very anarchist. They like communism more than traditional anarchism.

well that’s pretty gay, aren’t they at least ancoms

Probably would have made a better point if they said that societal pressure to move out in order to better find a mate really can put you behind the eight ball financial wise, as staying home to save money/pay debt is the more logical financial move. But these guys are spergs so

Imagine being such a dense and stupid ideologue you shoehorn your ideological lens when viewing basic human behavior. Newflash, sex is basic human behavior that occurs for resources under any fucking system, if you don't think women were fucking in the USSR or any other economic system in order to acquire resources, you are genuinely retard.

"Isn't, that, like, prostitution? Gross!" Stacy thought to herself as she clicked the upvote button with derision. I have more self-respect than to ever do that, she concluded and picked up her phone at the sound of a notification. Her eyes lit up. Chad's taking me out to dinner tonight, and he even bought me a new cocktail dress!

The female is immunized against all dangers: one may call her a thot, roastie, slut, it all runs off her like water off a raincoat. But take off her makeup and you will be astonished at how she recoils, how injured she is, how she suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

Unironically complaining about Chads

I don’t think you’re an expert on how women think

I love Chad, actually. I love the way his muscles crunch, the way oil trickles down his glistening abs, his chiseled features, his powerful jaw, his predatory eyes. I love it when he lets me feel his sweaty chest and broad forearms after a workout, and the firm, dominant handshake he gives when I pass along my fake business card-- anything for an excuse to indulge in the texture of his gently calloused hands.

Sometimes, I'll tuck my cock between my legs and play dressup, making sure Chad's a bit drunk at a party, watching him like a hawk. I can follow him home or into the bathroom for a night to feel what it's like to be Stacy, just for a little while. He's never figured out my secret.

Lmao

Stacy

upvote

stacy has something called “notes,” they don’t do the whole arrow thing

/u/SirBrendantheBold

You are against prostitution too brah?

I think to be consistent you would have to be against sex work too brah, otherwise I cant see the moral difference between prostitution and this

Of course I'm against sex work. I don't resent prostitutes; desperation is desperation. It doesn't change the fact that it's awful.

You are aware that some women do and like to it, right?

Sure, and have at it. But the entire thing becomes compromised/muddied/twisted by the environment that compels women/men who specifically don't like it to do it anyways

Dont you think that sex is just like any other part of life?

I mean, many times we have to do things we dont want in other to get something we want. I dont see how socialism would change that basic human fact. I dont see it as a bad thing at all. We are still going to trade sex for something, even if that something is no longer a material thing.

I mean sure, I dont want to go home for christmas, but I still do it to not offend my family. Am I not consenting to go home for christmas? is there anything morally wrong here?

People enjoying things is oppressive to people who lack joy.

well that was a misfire

meh

I have no problem when people are consistent actually

Do you know shitty something has to be to ruin sex?

/u/SirBrendantheBold have you ever asked someone about this before? Most women can tell you that pretty much anything can ruin sex

Commie tears improve sex, tho.

lol from the article

in which landlords are offering “free” accommodation in exchange for sexual acts - **and I want to find out how big the problem is for a BBC Three documentary.**

come on the editor had to know what they were doing here

if it werent for those damned capitalists, this internet anarchist would be drowning in pussy

the answer is clear: we must seize the means of reproduction