man i really feel like this is because of race, or at least a personal grudge

It's because of Texas tho. Texas saw America's fucked up justice system and said "Hold my beer."

What's the point smh she already lost

Of course the real injustice appears to be that our society does not allow people who commit tax fraud to choose our leaders.

Yeah, this is pretty insane. The idea someone should lose their right to vote because they broke the law at some point in their life is nuts.

It's kind of weird how backwards the US is compared to much of the western world. I don't really know how this happened, but we're like a fusion between a western country and a 3rd world shithole.

to much of the western world

The Western world outside of Taiwan, Britain, Germany, Italy, Australia, France, the Netherlands and Ireland.

If only we were like those Enlightened Spanish who ignored their people's votes and sent police after them.

If only.

Uh, if a state in the US voted to leave the union and tried to do it then the military would be deployed.

Are you retarded?

Calexit was Russian Propaganda

Also I'm not surprised you don't know all it would take is Congress and 38 states not working together for a single state secession to fail, after they managed to repeal a part of the California state Constitution saying California is an inseparable part of the United States

Not your wild Military Fascist fantasies.

To be clear, so I can fully understand how retarded you are.

Are you saying the federal government would not use military force if a state tried to leave the union?

You get you are calling me retarded while being so retarded you can't grasp the very, very simple point about the steps we have before Military Force is involved at all?

No one else is beating off about Fascist Conspiracy theories here besides you.

Let's say the state of California voted to leave the union, meaning they no longer care what the other states or the federal government says.

What would happen?

California voted to leave the union,

They can't just do that you retard I literally just explained the steps they have to do first.

What part of INSEPARABLE needing to be repealed before they can vote to leave do you not understand?

You understand someone that votes to leave the union no longer cares what the other members of said union say, correct?

You realize this is a fascist figment of your imagination because you have no idea how the world works right?

Like you can't be so deluded that you don't understand the positives for a seceding state to actually go through the way our Founding Fathers intended for states to leave the union.

Am I going to have to list those off for you while you smug post about how smart you are while not grasping basic concepts again?

They can't just do that you retard I literally just explained the steps they have to do first.

I'm gonna try to help you here, because I believe you to be a very stupid person with fairly low mental capacity.

Here's a news flash for you moron: What they did in Catalonia wasn't legal either. That's why force was used. they violated the law and voted to secede.

When people want to leave your union, they don't give a shit about the "steps" or the law. You, as I already knew before this started, have the mental capacity of a chimp.

Holy shit you don't actually know it's legal to change a states constitution

No negro, Chinaman or mullato shall have the right of suffrage

Quick question do you think this is still true for Oregon's Constitution since it's not legal for states to change their Constitution or vote to leave the union in your eyes.

When people want to leave your union, they don't give a shit about the "steps" or the law.

I've already explained to you that California becoming a anarchist paradise who just leaves the union ( How would this work btw) is a figment of your imagination due to know having any social skills.

Holy shit you don't actually know it's legal to change a states constitution

A stats constitution is not relevant. They can change it all they want, it still isn't legal federally for a state to leave the union.

Once again, we had a war that decided this very topic.

Quick question do you think this is still true for Oregon's Constitution since it's not legal for states to change their Constitution or vote to leave the union in your eyes.

They can change it all they fucking want. It's not relevant, because it is not federally legal to leave the union. Did you forget the civil war happened?

I've already explained to you that California becoming a anarchist paradise who just leaves the union ( How would this work btw) is a figment of your imagination due to know having any social skills.

What are you talking about you illiterate ape? I gave you a hypothetical situation. I never said they WOULD leave. I said in the event any state tried to leave the union, force would be used. Seriously, you need to seek mental health help.

it still isn't legal federally for a state to leave the union.

Real simple question to prove you aren't retarded.

Why do you think I mentioned Congress and 38 States while talking about a state Seceding.

Like this is basic, basic stuff.

Have you never heard of Texas v. White

Why are you trying to have a conversation about this if you've never heard of Texas v. White???

No wonder you think you are so much smarter then everyone else, you are literally too ignorant to understand how ignorant you are.

It must truly be bliss for you since it enables you to argue against the goddamn Supreme Court because you know so much more then them.

Ok, I'm going to walk you through this because you seem to actually have cognitive problems.

Your argument was to accuse spain of being fascist because they cracked down on an illegal secession movement. If not that, you tried to imply they were somehow more backwards than we are due to that fact.

I then asked you a hypothetical question. In the event a state tried to leave the union, would force be used?

To which you kept responding "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BUT THAT'S ILLEGAL REEEE I HAVE A LEARNING DISABILITY."

Let me be clear here - the event a state wanted to leave the union, they aren't going to listen to the courts, or the other states. By even trying to leave they've violated the law, what makes you think they'd respect any other laws in place?

I can't do this anymore - the illiteracy, the poor reading comprehension, the hilariously fallacious arguments. You are easily, and I don't say this lightly, the least intelligent person I have ever encountered on the internet.

I'm baffled as to how you've made it this far in life. How do you even tie your own shoes without walking into traffic? The only conclusion I can come to is you live in your own little alternate reality where you deliberately misread things and spew arguments that make no rational sense.

Please, I am begging you. Never breed. Never spawn. The gene pool couldn't handle it.

Wow how surprising you weren't able to answer my basic question and continue to think the person who is aware of the supreme court case that says you're wrong about it being illegal to seceded is the smart one.

You are saying the state that is seceding is going to ignore their OWN Constitution and you can't figure out why you are retarded?

Ignorance truly is bliss.

Wow how surprising you weren't able to answer my basic question and aren't aware of the supreme court case that says you're wrong about it being illegal to seceded causing Military force to stop them

It is illegal to leave the union.

We literally had a civil war that decided this very topic.

This is insane, your opinion is not a valid replacement for reality.

the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States

Okay now finally put that together with what I explained to you like literally 5 posts ago about Congress and States voting

Come on you can do it, you're really close to figuring out way for a State to leave the Union without having a war.

Alright dude, I'm just going to assume you suffer from some severe reading problems, and maybe a few learning disabilities. I'm not wasting any more of my time trying explain this to you.

You literally do not have the cognitive ability to comprehend the argument.

Dismissed.

I've been literally forced to explain my First post this entire time because you are too retarded to understand it.

Why do you think I did my whole Ignorance is bliss monologue while explaining how wrong you are about comparing this to Catalonia.

Do you even know the Caliexit guy wanted to have the UN Security Council recognize Cali as a nation

Again, you have been dismissed. I do not believe you have the mental capacity to formulate a coherent argument or even know where you are.

Dude i've been trying to explain to you this entire time how a state could leave without the military being involved.

You literally didn't understand that until now. You finally get it right? My efforts to teach you basic Constitutional Law everyone else learned in 10th Grade haven't been in vain?

You are self-aware enough to grasp that the person who doesn't understand something that is explained to them for like 3 hours is the retarded one?

I'm sorry, I've decided you do not have the mental capacity to comprehend anything being said to you, or even where you are.

Youv've been dismissed.

There's no need to have a breakdown just because you can't admit that you didn't understand I was explaining Constitutional Law to you this entire time.

I know for some reason you don't think the other 49states or Cali would still go by it for some reason but that is a conversation for another day once.

You absolute moron. You, again, in this comment, revealed you have no comprehension of what this argument was.

So let's ask this same hypothetical question again.

Let's say a US state attempted to leave the union.

How would the federal government react?

So just to be clear the crux of your argument is that California is going to spontaneously leave the union without first amending it's constitution or voting to leave the union, or having Congress vote to pass a law allowing them to leave, or motion for a Constitutional Amendment?

You really have no comprehension of Government at all, just Cali is going to go full Mad Max and start a Civil War and the U.N. doesn't exist in your world either I assume.

You heard the news about Annalisa Ciampi?

So just to be clear the crux of your argument is that California is going to spontaneously leave the union without first amending it's constitution or voting to leave the union, or having Congress vote to pass a law allowing them to leave, or motion for a Constitutional Amendment?

No you fucking mongoloid.

I said the US was a fusion between a 3rd world shithole and a western country. I also said the US was backwards compared to Europe, to which you responded bringing up what Spain did in an effort to make the argument "no no, Europe are the ones that are REALLLLY backward."

I then correctly stated, that in the event a US state tried to leave the union, the US government would have no problem using force to keep said state in union.

You, due to your extreme and absurd illiteracy someone thought a hypothetical question was some event that would take place in reality.

European

You can't even remember what you wrote, and have the gall to insult others.

Taiwan isn't European and that list of counties was places where you lose the ability to vote. Spain you don't lose your ability to vote for committing a crime, can you figure out why I'd bring up Spain and Catalonia in a conversation about losing the ability to vote?

You're projected insane bullshit because you're a crazy person once again.

Just like despite me providing how the US Government responds to states leaving the union. US Government includes California and congress you complete wackjob.

You can't even remember what you wrote, and have the gall to insult others.

Are you retarded? I said other "western" countries. What exactly do you think that means, retard?

Taiwan isn't European and that list of counties was places where you lose the ability to vote.

Dude, the only person that talked about Taiwan is you. Sane people aren't running around declaring Taiwan a western country.

This is where I stopped reading.

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True.

The idea someone should lose their right to vote because they broke the law at some point in their life

According to Wikipedia, most states restore voting rights to felons at some set point (like after release or probation). There are a couple of states that don't, though.

She already served her time for tax fraud. Your okay with sending her back to prison for FIVE years just for voting? Thats insane.

Oh look a thread full of people who don't have a basic understanding of law!

For as many "college kids" as reddit purports to have there sure are a lot of stupid fucking people.

Anyone who agrees with sending this woman to prison for 5 years just because she voted is dumb.

But what if she voted for Jill Stein?

Guys, read terms of condition before pressing yes. Otherwise you could go to jail for 5 years