Can you name many any place that was colonized by Europeans where the natives faired better ( or equal to) the colonizer?
No, but I can a lot of places where colonization failed to reach all natives and now they live short shitty lives. Just look at Brazil where some natives tribes live in shitty huts, are slaughtered by miners and loggers and lack vital services like police and doctors.
I mean literally no empire treated conquered people well. The mongols and Chinese sure didn’t, the Ottomans sure didn’t. You’re just mad white piypo were the best at it smh
He said that we should modernize the natives to prevent further exploitation. Sorry you can’t live in a hut without electricity and not be taken advantage of.
If primitive tribes in the Amazon are being violently exploited by loggers one solution would be to modernize them so they know how to properly use the courts and also have the weapons needed to fight back. If you leave them alone they will continue to be violently exploited by the loggers. Is that your solution? To allow oppression to continue? Smh
Well I wouldn’t call them colonizers they’re more just expanding for industry. Also they’re just as Brazilian as the tribes. And seeing as how the Brazilian tribes keep losing land and getting killed by loggers it’s safe to assume they’re not doing a good job protecting themselves. But if you’re fine with them continuing to be slaughtered all so you don’t have to ask “other colonizers” for help be my guest.
Af·ri·ka·ner
ˌafrəˈkänər/Submit
noun
an Afrikaans-speaking person in South Africa, especially one descended from the Dutch and Huguenot settlers of the 17th century.
Not OP but I don't think so. Survival of the fittest - it's just a shame we didn't let the white South African's fight back against the terrorist threat they faced.
That's alright though, all those enterprising white people can bring their wealth to the UK/USA and leave their 'countrymen' to their fate :-)
Exactly. Its a shame the apartheid regime created such horrific conditions.
Apartheid didn't make Winnie murder people with petrol and old tires, her evil self did that. I'm sure every individual on the planet could traipse through their ancestry and find wrongs they feel justify violence against past oppressors but that's not how it works at all. You're actively defending a violent criminals actions because you're upset about apartheid, it's reprehensible, ignorant, and short-sighted.
Apartheid didn't make Winnie murder people with petrol and old tires,
Winnie Mandela herself was never accused of setting the flame. However she was considered overseer to her bodyguards for the boys death. Something she herself denies. ( Its also important to know that the apartheid regime had burned people and accused the opposition forces of doing so.)
I'm sure every individual on the planet could traipse through their ancestry and find wrongs they feel justify violence against past oppressors but that's not how it works at all.
When talking about racism, I notice everyone throws up their hands and talks about "the past" this mythological time zone where oppression lives. However the alleged crimes happened in the era of apartheid. During so.
You're actively defending a violent criminals actions because you're upset about apartheid, it's reprehensible, ignorant, and short-sighted.
How so? Probably the greatest crime, is that most don’t truly know the nature and the vile actions the regime participated in. These people literally studied the Nazi’s, invaded other countries, sterilized people, put them in camps, burned them alive, jailed them for life, poisoned people etc.
And the sick and twisted part of all of this…..most don’t know their names……. They were able to fade away a be left in “the past” the greatest place a racist to be.
How so? Probably the greatest crime, is that most don’t truly know the nature and the vile actions the regime participated in. These people literally studied the Nazi’s, invaded other countries, sterilized people, put them in camps, burned them alive, jailed them for life, poisoned people etc.
You're beating a war drum in the current day, that targets innocents over atrocities of the past. No amount of word salad will sway the truth here, Winnie was a murderer, she had people murdered, and it makes her just as bad as "the regime".
So you hold a 1 woman to higher standard than you do a genocidal government? Shame dude. work on that man.
Ah the old apples and oranges huh? You're advocating for a murderer because she fought against evil, comparisons on degrees of evil are for useful idiots like yourself.
You are defending someone who did just that though... Then acting as if this kind of behavior is not only tolerable, but necessary for toppling regimes. What's weird is most of the accepted social activists who were successful in forcing real changes in society seem to almost entirely be peaceful, really makes you think...
You are aware the Natives only scalped settlers in retaliation because the US government used to pay settlers for the scalps of Natives, right? Redskins were what the scalps were called. They were traded just like animal furs.
I know it's fun to deny non-white people agency and explain all their behavior as a response to whites, but aren't you going a bit too far here? Do you actually think that Indians didn't scalp each other?
James Seipei (1974–1 January 1989), also known as Stompie Moeketsi, or Stompie Sepei was a teenage United Democratic Front (UDF) activist from Parys in South Africa. He and three other boys were kidnapped on 29 December 1988 by members of Winnie Mandela's bodyguards, known as the Mandela United Football Club. Moeketsi was murdered on 1 January 1989, the only one of the boys to be killed.
But yeah, that's pretty bad. Killing adult police informers in the context is kind of understandable (note I didn't say acceptable, just understandable), but there's no excuse for doing that to a 15 year old.
I stand by the principle though, if she actually was necklacing the white people in charge it'd be fine.
This is the mentality that lets ISIS members back into your country and let's Muzzies groom thousands of children as sex slaves while doing nothing about it.
Enjoy your island while you got it. I assume you'll be fine when they come to kill you off. White guilt is a hell of a hallucinogen.
HAHAA thanks for the laugh I haven't read a straw-man argument that retarded in a good while.
It's not even about 'white guilt', it's about saying that under the context of apartheid a lot of behaviour that would otherwise be despicable are more understandable and even necessary evils in some cases.
Murdering innocent people is a necessary evil? You would've been falling all over yourself to excuse Hitler's behavior because of those bad old greedy jews, and that mean old Treaty of Versailles. You people who excuse genocidal maniacs on the basis of "well they had it coming" deserve to get necklaced yourself. And it'll happen sure enough when those sand niggers you feel so enamored by ruin your shit tier island. Diversity at any cost, even if it's your own life. Kill yourself now and save yourself the trouble. You deserve it being part of the white British imperialist oppressive class.
Oh my god the straw-men just keep getting more retarded, now I'm Hitler and ISIS? Busy day for me...
I never said murdering innocent people was necessary, just that murdering the architects and enforcers of apartheid was a necessary evil back then.
Also just because I'm British doesn't mean I love muslims, I'm also a big ol' faggot so British muslims' views on gayness make me really fucking nervous actually.
Well don't dare speak up about it, or you'll be enjoying a prison cell. Maybe you can make some new muzzie friends spreading your bussy. In fact, you were advocating for innocent black South Africans to be killed. Pretty sure that's a hate crime. Hold please while I contact the appropriate authorities.
if she actually was necklacing the white people in charge it'd be fine.
Was what I actually said, didn't advocate for killing any innocent or black South Africans, you're grasping at straws now. Also I'm a strict top, no bussy spreading for me thanks.
Nah never seen it, I'm a sick fuck so if you have any links I'll click on them though.
Based on what people have said it is it sounds pretty horrific, I just don't care if it was happening to the architects of apartheid. Using it on a 15 year old boy is obviously disgusting though.
its terrifying, I am from africa myself, used to live in a big city where shit like this happened. Sometimes the victims would run after someone and hold them to themslves so that they burn to death with someone.
This is the mentality that lets ISIS members back into your country and let's Muzzies groom thousands of children as sex slaves while doing nothing about it.
Which is why I didn't say it was acceptable (though you cut that part of the quote out), just that in that atmosphere of oppression it's understandable why people did it.
I’m a British South Asian. It is my right to necklace you because you are part of the oppressive patriarchal system and you’re also a fucking white male who literally supports colonialism. What’s your address so I can come and visit you with my tire and matchbox?
Straw-man argument, again. Come speak to me when you're being legally segregated into shitty schools, neighbourhoods and the like. It's a little less powerful an argument when British South Asians are more educated and earn more than White Brits on average.
Having said that, back when South Asia was still being colonised you'd have been justified in necklacing as many white people in power/white soldiers as you wanted.
No. You don’t know what a straw man is. You stated that it’s understandable to burn people alive when you’re living in an oppressive system. Well I as a minority in the UK am also living under an oppressive system. Some guy once called me a “paki” and you racist white people always struggle to pronounce my name. This is my daily oppression. I want justice and the only way to achieve that is by burning you alive.
British South Asians are more educated and earn more than White Brits on average.
Doesn’t matter, white people call me paki. I have to deal with a multitude of micro aggressions. I am a minority.
back when South Asia was still being colonised you'd have been justified in necklacing as many white people in power/white soldiers as you wanted.
Well I also want revenge for my ancestors who had to live under colonialism which YOUR ancestors caused. My desire for revenge will only be satiated once I necklace you. You fucking white male.
It is a straw-man to say that I'm saying it's okay for any minority in any system to burn people alive, you don't see me out there burning down everybody who's ever said anything homophobic to me.
You seem like you're not a complete idiot, so I'm not going to explain the differences between apartheid and an 'oppressive system' to you, I'll just say you got it right when you said what you face is a 'multitude of micro aggressions'. Nothing about apartheid was a micro aggression, it was a war.
That's such a weird term Americans use trying to be PC by the way, to people in the UK 'people of colour' sounds exactly the same as 'coloured person' which is super racist.
Anti-apartheid activists didn't start the war though, they just ended it. In the context of apartheid yeah, I don't give a shit what she did to the white architects and enforcers of the system. Doesn't make me white hating.
So you can't even understand (not condone or think is acceptable, just understand ) why people who are that oppressed might resort to drastic, horrific means?
You are aware that a necklacing isn't simply 'killing' its victim like a bullet in the head, it's slowly and painfully incinerating them while they are conscious but restrained by the tire and unable to resist the heat, smoke and flames. It's a means of terror - a far more extreme and brutal way of ending a life than anyone could ever justify, intended to get the compliance of the masses by making a horrible example.
Eh, if she was doing it to white people who were in charge/responsible for apartheid I don't really give a shit how brutal it was, sometimes you gotta send a message.
She wasn't doing it to white people, she was doing it to her own who politically opposed her. I suppose the two fine British boys who sawed the head off Lee Rigby were justified too in your warped worldview.
I don't think you get to call anybody a retard, you dentally challenged piece of shit, while you dither about making justifications for fucking necklacing and other brutal execution methods as tools of political control.
'Political control' requires political power, the way I see it resistance to apartheid was a war situation and the rules are different in war. Is it a war crime to use that method on a 15 year old boy? Absolutely. Is it a war crime to use it on political leaders and others responsible for apartheid? I don't care
I don't know why you keep bringing up what may well be your fantasy of her burning whites alive. She didn't and that has nothing to do with the reality of what she actually did do.
Because everyone else keeps saying 'you're advocating for killing innocent black 15 year olds in South Africa' when I'm not, so it's just me clarifying my position. It's fucked up and depraved I agree, and I'm not condoning it, just saying I don't care if she did it, they deserved it anyway so fuck 'em.
15 year old boy deserved to be restrained with a tire filled with gasoline, then further doused in gasoline, then lit and left to die horribly over the span of minutes from inhaling flames and toxic smoke all while the tire melted onto him and the flames charred his flesh from his face, back, neck and chest?
That's exactly what I didn't say retard, you asked me one comment ago why I keep mentioning burning whites and this is why, because the second I don't clarify 'the white architects and enforcers of apartheid deserved it' you fuckers come at me with this shit.
This has nothing to do with mayos you simpleton. She burnt children. Black children. No excuses, no ifs, no buts, no fantasies of noble political warfare against the wicked whitey, no edgy adolescent nonsense about the purity of power by any means, no dancing around the topic. She is hated because she was a killer and not even a killer of those who might have oppressed her but of those she felt she could get away with executing publicly for political gain.
JESUS. So I was ignorant about that 15 year old boy when I posted the first comment, I've said in so many comments since then that burning kids is a war crime and always unacceptable. What we're arguing about now is whether it is theoretically justified to necklace the architects and enforcers of apartheid, regardless of whether Winnie did it or not.
The answer to that theoretical is of course No, no it is not ok to burn anybody to death slowly not for any reason, what the fuck. Even a deviant who posts here knows better than that, but apparently not you, who seems to struggle with the most basic concepts of humanity. Is this an English thing or are you one of those imported 'English' who thing hurling acid and sawing heads and waging holy war is a good and wholesome way to live?
I mean you're probably right that it's not okay, it gets to the difference between justified and understandable. It's probably not justified to do that, but under the circumstances I would understand why people would do it.
And no I'm white English, also that acid attacks thing is retarded, only 6% of acid attack suspects are Asian, it's overwhelmingly being used by young white guys against other young white guys right now Source
lol it probably has more to do with knife legislation, being caught with a knife can get you in serious trouble, but if you get caught with corrosive cleaning liquid there isn't shit anyone can do.
In all seriousness there are things we can all learn from Pakistani culture, I don't know if you've ever fucked any of your cousins but let me tell you it certainly liven up family reunions!
Reflect upon that statement carefully britard the next time you or any of your countrymen wonder why so many of us amerifats don't want to hand over our firearms.
My sentence was 'if she was doing it to white people who were in charge', so you're saying she definitely did that? Other commenters have said she only did it to black people she wanted to intimidate.
And she wasn't necklacing the White people in charge
I mean she's definitely not doing that.
Anyway she seemed to just encourage the use of necklacing which has probably been used more often by blacks on blacks (ofc they majority but you get the idea). She did have Stompie killed and 3 other kids abducted (non-white fyi). Overall she just seems like trash to everyone lol
'Killing people for enforcing apartheid and starting a war against the majority of South Africans is wrong, but killing people for arguing on the internet is something I'd love to get involved in!'
the second apartheid ended it actually got worse for not only the blacks, but fucking everyone.
maybe if they made shit better for everyone I would feel different, but since everything has turned to shit, only reinforcing the fact that black africans are fucktarded when it comes to civil management I will stand by my views that apartheid was a net benefit.
you can cry from your mommy's spare bedroom over the fact that sometimes awful things are better than the alternatives, but I will just sit here and call you and idiot for it.
but the fact you're here advocating the murder of people trying to make the world a better place, even if some bushbunnies had to get punched down for it to work, makes me want to end you.
I don't get to scream from the rafters that the leaders of the current SA govt deserve colombian neckties over how they are terrorizing the white farmers there, so how do you think that you get to say "burn them alive, good job." over the anti-apartheid terror?
it worked for the blacks who were fed and housed for free by the whites, now they are on the streets to cause trouble and steal.
good job.
tons of blacks were kept in rows and rows of tiny houses as labor, those were the lucky ones, they had a chance, now all the opportunities for advancement brought by the whites is now gone.
the shitty treatment would have come to an end naturally over a long enough timeline, just like america, south africa would have, and was on track to follow suit socially.
but then the violent black revolution, and turned everything backwards.
I'm curious do you see the whites in south africa as put upon minorities? since the blacks hold basically all the power now?
since prejudice+power=racism /obvs
south africa could have been the african new york, but since they ran off all the people necessary to make that happen, all they have now is bitterness, and red dirt.
Woah... Fuck, why didn't I see it that way before... Now that I think about whites were always so chill to black people, giving them free houses and shit... Wtf I love Apartheid now
If shit like that worked then executing Jesus would've stopped Christianity in its tracks.
Hey remember when the RIAA sued people insane amounts of money for illegally downloading music to 'send a message' to pirates? How well did that work out?
And even if it did work, it's not necessary, it's not the only way to end apartheid so how is it morally justifiable?
You’re just really thick huh? You literally just stated that the ends justify the means for you. So comparing you to hitler isn’t actually that much of a stretch. Morally and ethically speaking, the end justifies the means type thinking is exceedingly dangerous, especially when applied to public policy. You’re a dunce
Yes you're right, comparing a genocidal state apparatus with the resistance to apartheid isn't that much of a stretch, how silly of me!
I do sometimes think the ends justify the means, depending on what the ends are, ending apartheid being a case where I'd be willing to justify a lot of fucked up means to get there. If the ends are 'get rid of the jews' then regardless of the means it's fucked up.
Yeah well, then enjoy the Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot comparisons. One mans righteous struggle is just another mans genocide.
I'm going to take that radical centrist approach of trying (it's not that difficult) to not endorse murder simply because I don't like the people getting murdered.
There's a difference between murder and war though, and resistance to apartheid was arguably a war.
Off-topic but I've seen shitloads of people calling themselves radical centrists on reddit and I still have no idea what it means. How can you be radical and a centrist?
It's a joke. Most left or right content on reddit is so radicalized that it's the norm. Being non-radicalized actually makes you a radical in this context.
Given your previous comments, I'm not really surprised that you didn't understand this.
Yeah I'm legit autistic (clock the flair), a lot of jokes are lost on me, especially when they're just words with no intonation or tone of voice or anything.
/u/intlcreative you really dance around the fact that the vast majority of necklacing victims of winnie and her friends were black Africans. Was she "fighting white supremacy" in those cases or was it about money and power? Aparteid was already over in the mid 90s yet her boys kept at it. How do you feel about South Africans burning the businesses and bodies of their fellow black Africans because they are from other countries? Got to still fight for that freedom right?
Is one of this sub's "rules" to be a pseudo-ironic xenophobic ass?
The swastika isn't funny either.
And if your comments are in earnest, has the violence in Charlottesville, by the U.S. police (which are mostly white men) and shooters/domestic terrorism (also mostly omitted by European-Americans) not register in your minds?
Her husband was a violent terrorist of acclaim. The Mandela name gives her a pass with the western world, or at least with the mainstream/limousine liberals. Jmo
terrorism and war only matter when white people are involved. The second congo war killed 5 million africans and didn't get a single day of meaningful news coverage because there were no white devils for leftist academia to blame
Painful death is worse than a life of oppression and pain? lol no. Necklacing is not the worst thing in the world, and it's definitely not worse than Apartheid.
it is a humiliating and painfull death. Dont know why you have to compare both of them. Apartheid was no ended by necklacing, its was ended by non-violent social justice.
Nonviolence doesn't end these things on its own. MLK didn't end Jim Crow on his own. The government's fear of violent movements like the Black Panthers forced them to work with MLK and pass civil right's legislation. Gandhi didn't expel the Brits form the UK on his own. Their fear of violent Hindutva forced them to work with his movement. The same applies here. Non-violence alone doesn't do it, you need the violence element in the other hand.
Also who gives a shit how humiliating and painful it is? Did the leaders of apartheid care how humiliating and painful apartheid was? Stop caring for the wrong people.
Then why did she torture and kill black people. Instead of building an army, cutting supplies to apartheid govt and businesses she was torturing and killing black people who didn't think like her. Most necklacing victims were black people she dislikes.
if you want to resist lighting your own people on fire whom you claim you want to protect is the wrong way to go about it. There is a reason Nelson Mandela divorced her and cut her off.
Apartheid was no ended by necklacing, its was ended by non-violent social justice.
I’m with you on the necklacing, but this is just wrong. It was ended (in no small part) because of a prolonged campaign of bombings targeting non-combatant civilians and sabotage carried out by the ANC and funded by the USSR, China, Cuba, and NK. Left wing agitation abroad did the rest. There was nothing non-violent about it.
you forget that the US and many western countries withdrew their support of SA govt after the threat of communism dissipated. The UN put up economic sanction against SA. The USA pulled out many companies of SA.
Nelson Mandela had world wide support and the SA govt had no other option but to free him and negotiate.
Tells me where you got your views from. Someone from a particular area of the world would have differing opinions. I'm going to guess middle class white, champagne socialist. Probably American.
So I'm a poor uneducated America, but I need to ask - when groups of people are pouring gasoline on their enemies and lighting them up in the street, shouldn't the government be cracking down as violently as possible on everybody involved? I mean, when you give up on rule of law, then your government has effectively given up on governing and gone into a death spiral. Part of the reason Trump won is because Antifa was starting to get really violent and the Democrats in office were unwilling to clamp down on it, so we elected somebody who would.
I suppose that if I need to translate this into the language of r/drama, didn't South Africa massively cuck itself as guilt over colonialism, allowing a literal mayocide?
the apartheid govt was evil it was also doing fucked up things. It did the right thing b stepping down. Retards like yourself and black supremacist can't seem to accept that both sides are evil. Neck yourself please.
Part of the reason Trump won is because Antifa was starting to get really violent and the Democrats in office were unwilling to clamp down on it,
Antifa only emerged after the fascist/Russian takeover of America. They are freedom fighters who speak for the American people, rather than the fascist white supremacist terrorist under their terrorist dictator Trump.
Part of the reason Trump won is because Antifa was starting to get really violent and the Democrats in office were unwilling to clamp down on it, so Americans elected somebody who would. Why didn't South Africa do the same?
This is what happened when they tried non-violent protests in regard to apartheid:
After non-violence fails a turn to violence is only inevitable. The apartheid government could not keep power even if it wanted to, it would've been overthrown.
I suppose that if I need to translate this into the language of r/drama, "Didn't South Africa massively cuck itself from guilt over colonialism, allowing a literal mayocide?"
Maybe the fanatical white supremacists should've never tried apartheid in the first place, and thus justified revolution? Revolution against an evolution regime is not only morally allowable, it is required.
What crack are you smoking? antifa and blackbloc tactics have been around for ever just because you only just noticed them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Shit Orwell in Spain was OG antifa with actual guns and bombs not purple hair and bike locks.
Alas, I fear that this is true. It wasn't always this way. In the old days they worked hard not to take a political stand regardless of the administration in power. Even the BBC has gone PC. Dark days.....
Some of my relatives were gushing about how good of a time they had in South Africa. So I asked them how Johannesburg was and they were like "oh we don't know they told us not to look outside of the cab or make eye contact with anyone"
So yea, South Africa is great. My Namibian friend is even thinking about visiting so she can johanne in on the mayocide.
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1 CultOfCuck 2018-04-03
"rest in POWER. She did the right thing! A free South Africa is a better one."
"Together, hand in hand, with our matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country." It is my perception that she killed more black people than white, with this statement. Terrorizing the innocent, forcing compliance.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
what is your opinion on her ?
1 ineedmorealts 2018-04-03
u/intlcreative
I imagine you'd feel differently if some first nation fellows deiced to scalp you
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
So you agree colonizing land is wrong?
1 ineedmorealts 2018-04-03
Most of the time at least. I think a effort should be made to help modernizer native peoples to help avoid them being exploited
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
The devil is in the details...
1 ineedmorealts 2018-04-03
Sure, it's better than the alternative tho.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
According to who? Can you name many any place that was colonized by Europeans where the natives faired better ( or equal to) the colonizer???
1 ineedmorealts 2018-04-03
Pretty much everyone.
No, but I can a lot of places where colonization failed to reach all natives and now they live short shitty lives. Just look at Brazil where some natives tribes live in shitty huts, are slaughtered by miners and loggers and lack vital services like police and doctors.
1 JustAThrowaway4563 2018-04-03
Sounds like they're put out of their misery
1 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-04-03
I mean literally no empire treated conquered people well. The mongols and Chinese sure didn’t, the Ottomans sure didn’t. You’re just mad white piypo were the best at it smh
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
They said colonization was a better alternative, I just want an example. Is it wrong to ask questions?
1 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-04-03
He said that we should modernize the natives to prevent further exploitation. Sorry you can’t live in a hut without electricity and not be taken advantage of.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Wait? So you take advantage of the natives......to keep them from being taken advantage of????? Dafuq?
1 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-04-03
If primitive tribes in the Amazon are being violently exploited by loggers one solution would be to modernize them so they know how to properly use the courts and also have the weapons needed to fight back. If you leave them alone they will continue to be violently exploited by the loggers. Is that your solution? To allow oppression to continue? Smh
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Wait? Who are these loggers and what country do they come from? And why aren't the treaties honored for this very reason?
1 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-04-03
Brazil, like the guy said.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
So the Brazilian colonizers protect the natives from Brazilian colonizers?
1 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-04-03
Well I wouldn’t call them colonizers they’re more just expanding for industry. Also they’re just as Brazilian as the tribes. And seeing as how the Brazilian tribes keep losing land and getting killed by loggers it’s safe to assume they’re not doing a good job protecting themselves. But if you’re fine with them continuing to be slaughtered all so you don’t have to ask “other colonizers” for help be my guest.
1 BigOldWhiteDick 2018-04-03
Go back to your mudhut nigger.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
1.) Mud huts aren't bad to live in, it's called Adobe and its eco friendly.
2.) Name calling on reddit? How barbaric.
1 BigOldWhiteDick 2018-04-03
No denial that you live in a mudhut, it must be true.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Well brick is technically backed clay so......
1 MexicanEmboar 2018-04-03
Imagine getting this BTFO and butthurt at a pinged user in r/drama
1 uniqueguy263 2018-04-03
That is not colonization at all, colonization always exploits them. Colonization never helps anyone but the colonizers
1 BabyZiggles 2018-04-03
So then South Africa wasn't colonized at all!
1 uniqueguy263 2018-04-03
Yeah, Bantustans were great places to live. Totally.
1 G_Regular 2018-04-03
Maybe the native's should've thought of colonizing Europe first.
1 gaynazifurry4bernie 2018-04-03
Bantus out of SA!
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Bantu means man. You want all men out of SA?
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-03
Yes.
1 Neil_Tzedakah 2018-04-03
Willful ignorance isn't a good look hon
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
How am I ignorant when the statement was factual?
1 ExtraChromosomeSpork 2018-04-03
And Afrikaner means African. You want Africans out of Africa?
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Af·ri·ka·ner ˌafrəˈkänər/Submit noun an Afrikaans-speaking person in South Africa, especially one descended from the Dutch and Huguenot settlers of the 17th century.
1 ExtraChromosomeSpork 2018-04-03
Af·ri·ka·ner ˌafrəˈkänər/Submit noun an African
1 Nonce-Victim 2018-04-03
Not OP but I don't think so. Survival of the fittest - it's just a shame we didn't let the white South African's fight back against the terrorist threat they faced.
That's alright though, all those enterprising white people can bring their wealth to the UK/USA and leave their 'countrymen' to their fate :-)
1 Thhueros 2018-04-03
No. Its natural behavior.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
I think we all agree justifying horrendous violence only further encourages it. That's what you're doing.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Exactly. Its a shame the apartheid regime created such horrific conditions.
That is your interpretation. I assume you live in a country with no active military correct?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
Apartheid didn't make Winnie murder people with petrol and old tires, her evil self did that. I'm sure every individual on the planet could traipse through their ancestry and find wrongs they feel justify violence against past oppressors but that's not how it works at all. You're actively defending a violent criminals actions because you're upset about apartheid, it's reprehensible, ignorant, and short-sighted.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Winnie Mandela herself was never accused of setting the flame. However she was considered overseer to her bodyguards for the boys death. Something she herself denies. ( Its also important to know that the apartheid regime had burned people and accused the opposition forces of doing so.)
When talking about racism, I notice everyone throws up their hands and talks about "the past" this mythological time zone where oppression lives. However the alleged crimes happened in the era of apartheid. During so.
How so? Probably the greatest crime, is that most don’t truly know the nature and the vile actions the regime participated in. These people literally studied the Nazi’s, invaded other countries, sterilized people, put them in camps, burned them alive, jailed them for life, poisoned people etc.
And the sick and twisted part of all of this…..most don’t know their names……. They were able to fade away a be left in “the past” the greatest place a racist to be.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
You're beating a war drum in the current day, that targets innocents over atrocities of the past. No amount of word salad will sway the truth here, Winnie was a murderer, she had people murdered, and it makes her just as bad as "the regime".
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
So you hold a 1 woman to higher standard than you do a genocidal government? Shame dude. work on that man.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
Ah the old apples and oranges huh? You're advocating for a murderer because she fought against evil, comparisons on degrees of evil are for useful idiots like yourself.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Yeah....name calling....and unfortunate sign of defeat. My word salad sure is tasty huh?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
You should look up what useful idiot means, it'll save you some time.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
Obviously killing children and dissidents in your opinion.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Your words not mine.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
You are defending someone who did just that though... Then acting as if this kind of behavior is not only tolerable, but necessary for toppling regimes. What's weird is most of the accepted social activists who were successful in forcing real changes in society seem to almost entirely be peaceful, really makes you think...
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Sorry, but I don't meet genocidal governments with peace. Do you?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
Still defending murdering innocents and children for the right causes huh? Full circle moment here, I'm signing off useful idiot.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Ah so it WAS a a right cause? I just want clarification that the cause she fought for was just. Continue......
1 tron_funkin_blow 2018-04-03
You are aware the Natives only scalped settlers in retaliation because the US government used to pay settlers for the scalps of Natives, right? Redskins were what the scalps were called. They were traded just like animal furs.
1 ineedmorealts 2018-04-03
That doesn't really matter
1 Redactor0 2018-04-03
I know it's fun to deny non-white people agency and explain all their behavior as a response to whites, but aren't you going a bit too far here? Do you actually think that Indians didn't scalp each other?
1 alphetasauce 2018-04-03
You act like the natives were peaceful and accepting until the mean wypipo decided to genocide them.
1 cvetley 2018-04-03
except that they did that long before Columbus was even born
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2018-04-03
False. However the British were also known for scalping people so a fair amount may have been tit-for-tat later on.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
South Africa was a mistake
1 StezzerLolz 2018-04-03
An excellent and inventive suggestion, sir, with just two small flaws.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
I mean, in the context of apartheid, I have no problem with the fact that she necklaced people to end it. You gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.
1 DayAcanthaceae 2018-04-03
Why would burning people alive be more effective than a quick execution, assuming you even need to murder random people?
1 MSU-Darbhanga 2018-04-03
including 13 year old boys?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stompie_Moeketsi
Typical Amerifat, only reading half the story.
1 WikiTextBot 2018-04-03
Stompie Moeketsi
James Seipei (1974–1 January 1989), also known as Stompie Moeketsi, or Stompie Sepei was a teenage United Democratic Front (UDF) activist from Parys in South Africa. He and three other boys were kidnapped on 29 December 1988 by members of Winnie Mandela's bodyguards, known as the Mandela United Football Club. Moeketsi was murdered on 1 January 1989, the only one of the boys to be killed.
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1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
I'm not American, I'm a Britifat actually.
But yeah, that's pretty bad. Killing adult police informers in the context is kind of understandable (note I didn't say acceptable, just understandable), but there's no excuse for doing that to a 15 year old.
I stand by the principle though, if she actually was necklacing the white people in charge it'd be fine.
1 GoyaFrijoles 2018-04-03
This is the mentality that lets ISIS members back into your country and let's Muzzies groom thousands of children as sex slaves while doing nothing about it.
Enjoy your island while you got it. I assume you'll be fine when they come to kill you off. White guilt is a hell of a hallucinogen.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
HAHAA thanks for the laugh I haven't read a straw-man argument that retarded in a good while.
It's not even about 'white guilt', it's about saying that under the context of apartheid a lot of behaviour that would otherwise be despicable are more understandable and even necessary evils in some cases.
1 GoyaFrijoles 2018-04-03
Murdering innocent people is a necessary evil? You would've been falling all over yourself to excuse Hitler's behavior because of those bad old greedy jews, and that mean old Treaty of Versailles. You people who excuse genocidal maniacs on the basis of "well they had it coming" deserve to get necklaced yourself. And it'll happen sure enough when those sand niggers you feel so enamored by ruin your shit tier island. Diversity at any cost, even if it's your own life. Kill yourself now and save yourself the trouble. You deserve it being part of the white British imperialist oppressive class.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Oh my god the straw-men just keep getting more retarded, now I'm Hitler and ISIS? Busy day for me...
I never said murdering innocent people was necessary, just that murdering the architects and enforcers of apartheid was a necessary evil back then.
Also just because I'm British doesn't mean I love muslims, I'm also a big ol' faggot so British muslims' views on gayness make me really fucking nervous actually.
1 GoyaFrijoles 2018-04-03
Well don't dare speak up about it, or you'll be enjoying a prison cell. Maybe you can make some new muzzie friends spreading your bussy. In fact, you were advocating for innocent black South Africans to be killed. Pretty sure that's a hate crime. Hold please while I contact the appropriate authorities.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Was what I actually said, didn't advocate for killing any innocent or black South Africans, you're grasping at straws now. Also I'm a strict top, no bussy spreading for me thanks.
1 Wopitikitotengo 2018-04-03
Have you seen someone being necklaced? Even the Nazis didn't routinely kill people that inhumanely. Its next level barbarism.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Nah never seen it, I'm a sick fuck so if you have any links I'll click on them though.
Based on what people have said it is it sounds pretty horrific, I just don't care if it was happening to the architects of apartheid. Using it on a 15 year old boy is obviously disgusting though.
1 Wopitikitotengo 2018-04-03
https://gfycat.com/VapidDazzlingCottontail
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Oh fuck that is gruesome. Thank you!
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
where is this from ?
1 Wopitikitotengo 2018-04-03
Some copy and paste shithole in Africa, I'm not sure where.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
its terrifying, I am from africa myself, used to live in a big city where shit like this happened. Sometimes the victims would run after someone and hold them to themslves so that they burn to death with someone.
1 Wordshark 2018-04-03
Jesus Christ, that’s a next-level nightmare
1 GoyaFrijoles 2018-04-03
Explain that to the judge. You're going to jail, where every white Brit belongs.
1 Chanchumaetrius 2018-04-03
git tae fuck you yankee cunt
1 Wopitikitotengo 2018-04-03
Go back to Scottish people twitter or type in English.
1 Chanchumaetrius 2018-04-03
go back to fat people land
1 Wopitikitotengo 2018-04-03
I'm from Aberdeen lmao
1 MSU-Darbhanga 2018-04-03
There was no proof that they were police informers. Just a single accusation and that psycho bitch would have sent her bodyguards after you.
Lol okay.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Which is why I didn't say it was acceptable (though you cut that part of the quote out), just that in that atmosphere of oppression it's understandable why people did it.
1 MSU-Darbhanga 2018-04-03
I’m a British South Asian. It is my right to necklace you because you are part of the oppressive patriarchal system and you’re also a fucking white male who literally supports colonialism. What’s your address so I can come and visit you with my tire and matchbox?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Straw-man argument, again. Come speak to me when you're being legally segregated into shitty schools, neighbourhoods and the like. It's a little less powerful an argument when British South Asians are more educated and earn more than White Brits on average.
Having said that, back when South Asia was still being colonised you'd have been justified in necklacing as many white people in power/white soldiers as you wanted.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
bro, there are better ways of fighting discrimination without violence. But if you really have to resort to violence necklacing civilians is wrong.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
I agree, necklacing civilians is wrong. Necklacing the architects and enforcers of apartheid is different, that's all I'm saying.
And it wasn't 'discrimination', it was a war the white minority started against the majority of the population. Rules are different in war.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
who do you think the architects were ?
1 MSU-Darbhanga 2018-04-03
No. You don’t know what a straw man is. You stated that it’s understandable to burn people alive when you’re living in an oppressive system. Well I as a minority in the UK am also living under an oppressive system. Some guy once called me a “paki” and you racist white people always struggle to pronounce my name. This is my daily oppression. I want justice and the only way to achieve that is by burning you alive.
Doesn’t matter, white people call me paki. I have to deal with a multitude of micro aggressions. I am a minority.
Well I also want revenge for my ancestors who had to live under colonialism which YOUR ancestors caused. My desire for revenge will only be satiated once I necklace you. You fucking white male.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
It is a straw-man to say that I'm saying it's okay for any minority in any system to burn people alive, you don't see me out there burning down everybody who's ever said anything homophobic to me.
You seem like you're not a complete idiot, so I'm not going to explain the differences between apartheid and an 'oppressive system' to you, I'll just say you got it right when you said what you face is a 'multitude of micro aggressions'. Nothing about apartheid was a micro aggression, it was a war.
1 Redactor0 2018-04-03
Please stop making a PoC go through the emotional labor of telling you how retarded you are.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
That's such a weird term Americans use trying to be PC by the way, to people in the UK 'people of colour' sounds exactly the same as 'coloured person' which is super racist.
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
Lmao. All you do is say you want to burn people and support war crimes. Did mum change the WiFi password until you take a shower little buddy?
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2018-04-03
You literally claim as long as she was burning white people in power it was ok with you.
I honestly struggle to comprehend the new white hating progressives.
What happened to being antiwar/anti violence.
The ends don't always justify the means.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Anti-apartheid activists didn't start the war though, they just ended it. In the context of apartheid yeah, I don't give a shit what she did to the white architects and enforcers of the system. Doesn't make me white hating.
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
No ones cares, we just hate you.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Urgh three notifications in a row all from you, just when I thought I had some replies that might be actually interesting...
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
Post a video of how to necklace yourself. You seem like a good candidate
1 PoorLilMarco 2018-04-03
Play nice, dearie.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2018-04-03
You literally claim as long as she was burning white people in power it was ok with you.
I honestly struggle to comprehend the new white hating progressives.
What happened to being antiwar/anti violence.
The ends don't always justify the means.
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-03
It's understandable if you a sociopath.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
So you can't even understand (not condone or think is acceptable, just understand ) why people who are that oppressed might resort to drastic, horrific means?
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-03
She didn't do it because of oppression. She did it because she was a psycho bitch who got some thugs to help her get power.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Whatevs
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
You are aware that a necklacing isn't simply 'killing' its victim like a bullet in the head, it's slowly and painfully incinerating them while they are conscious but restrained by the tire and unable to resist the heat, smoke and flames. It's a means of terror - a far more extreme and brutal way of ending a life than anyone could ever justify, intended to get the compliance of the masses by making a horrible example.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Eh, if she was doing it to white people who were in charge/responsible for apartheid I don't really give a shit how brutal it was, sometimes you gotta send a message.
1 KokomoOReily 2018-04-03
Shit man ISIS is sending a message and they only seldom do shit that terrible. By all means get your public execution on but necklacing is pretty bad
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
She wasn't doing it to white people, she was doing it to her own who politically opposed her. I suppose the two fine British boys who sawed the head off Lee Rigby were justified too in your warped worldview.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Which is why I said if, nice reading comprehension retard.
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
I don't think you get to call anybody a retard, you dentally challenged piece of shit, while you dither about making justifications for fucking necklacing and other brutal execution methods as tools of political control.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
'Political control' requires political power, the way I see it resistance to apartheid was a war situation and the rules are different in war. Is it a war crime to use that method on a 15 year old boy? Absolutely. Is it a war crime to use it on political leaders and others responsible for apartheid? I don't care
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
I don't know why you keep bringing up what may well be your fantasy of her burning whites alive. She didn't and that has nothing to do with the reality of what she actually did do.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Because everyone else keeps saying 'you're advocating for killing innocent black 15 year olds in South Africa' when I'm not, so it's just me clarifying my position. It's fucked up and depraved I agree, and I'm not condoning it, just saying I don't care if she did it, they deserved it anyway so fuck 'em.
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
15 year old boy deserved to be restrained with a tire filled with gasoline, then further doused in gasoline, then lit and left to die horribly over the span of minutes from inhaling flames and toxic smoke all while the tire melted onto him and the flames charred his flesh from his face, back, neck and chest?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
That's exactly what I didn't say retard, you asked me one comment ago why I keep mentioning burning whites and this is why, because the second I don't clarify 'the white architects and enforcers of apartheid deserved it' you fuckers come at me with this shit.
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
This has nothing to do with mayos you simpleton. She burnt children. Black children. No excuses, no ifs, no buts, no fantasies of noble political warfare against the wicked whitey, no edgy adolescent nonsense about the purity of power by any means, no dancing around the topic. She is hated because she was a killer and not even a killer of those who might have oppressed her but of those she felt she could get away with executing publicly for political gain.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
JESUS. So I was ignorant about that 15 year old boy when I posted the first comment, I've said in so many comments since then that burning kids is a war crime and always unacceptable. What we're arguing about now is whether it is theoretically justified to necklace the architects and enforcers of apartheid, regardless of whether Winnie did it or not.
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
The answer to that theoretical is of course No, no it is not ok to burn anybody to death slowly not for any reason, what the fuck. Even a deviant who posts here knows better than that, but apparently not you, who seems to struggle with the most basic concepts of humanity. Is this an English thing or are you one of those imported 'English' who thing hurling acid and sawing heads and waging holy war is a good and wholesome way to live?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
I mean you're probably right that it's not okay, it gets to the difference between justified and understandable. It's probably not justified to do that, but under the circumstances I would understand why people would do it.
And no I'm white English, also that acid attacks thing is retarded, only 6% of acid attack suspects are Asian, it's overwhelmingly being used by young white guys against other young white guys right now Source
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
That's of course the beauty of multiculturalism - a joyful exchange of ideas and superior culture.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
lol it probably has more to do with knife legislation, being caught with a knife can get you in serious trouble, but if you get caught with corrosive cleaning liquid there isn't shit anyone can do.
In all seriousness there are things we can all learn from Pakistani culture, I don't know if you've ever fucked any of your cousins but let me tell you it certainly liven up family reunions!
1 BlindedbyOnanism 2018-04-03
"They deserved it anyway so fuck them".
Reflect upon that statement carefully britard the next time you or any of your countrymen wonder why so many of us amerifats don't want to hand over our firearms.
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
The way you see it doesn’t matter. Join ISIS you faggot and shut the fuck up.
1 JTBebe2 2018-04-03
But why do you keep saying if when its not a if holy shit
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
My sentence was 'if she was doing it to white people who were in charge', so you're saying she definitely did that? Other commenters have said she only did it to black people she wanted to intimidate.
1 JTBebe2 2018-04-03
I mean she's definitely not doing that.
Anyway she seemed to just encourage the use of necklacing which has probably been used more often by blacks on blacks (ofc they majority but you get the idea). She did have Stompie killed and 3 other kids abducted (non-white fyi). Overall she just seems like trash to everyone lol
1 saddertadder 2018-04-03
you are 25 years old and you are still this dumb? YIKES
keep yourself safe, my dude
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
fuck you, and your hatred of my people.
I would end you with my bare hands if you were ever close enough to me.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
HAHAAA
'Killing people for enforcing apartheid and starting a war against the majority of South Africans is wrong, but killing people for arguing on the internet is something I'd love to get involved in!'
I love this sub sometimes.
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
apartheid worked you fucking cockazoid.
the second apartheid ended it actually got worse for not only the blacks, but fucking everyone.
maybe if they made shit better for everyone I would feel different, but since everything has turned to shit, only reinforcing the fact that black africans are fucktarded when it comes to civil management I will stand by my views that apartheid was a net benefit.
you can cry from your mommy's spare bedroom over the fact that sometimes awful things are better than the alternatives, but I will just sit here and call you and idiot for it.
but the fact you're here advocating the murder of people trying to make the world a better place, even if some bushbunnies had to get punched down for it to work, makes me want to end you.
I don't get to scream from the rafters that the leaders of the current SA govt deserve colombian neckties over how they are terrorizing the white farmers there, so how do you think that you get to say "burn them alive, good job." over the anti-apartheid terror?
it makes you a cunt.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Worked for who though? Never mind don't reply, I'm not even gonna try to get into it with a retarded racist.
And I am a cunt and proud of it!
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
it worked for the blacks who were fed and housed for free by the whites, now they are on the streets to cause trouble and steal.
good job.
tons of blacks were kept in rows and rows of tiny houses as labor, those were the lucky ones, they had a chance, now all the opportunities for advancement brought by the whites is now gone.
the shitty treatment would have come to an end naturally over a long enough timeline, just like america, south africa would have, and was on track to follow suit socially.
but then the violent black revolution, and turned everything backwards.
I'm curious do you see the whites in south africa as put upon minorities? since the blacks hold basically all the power now?
since prejudice+power=racism /obvs
south africa could have been the african new york, but since they ran off all the people necessary to make that happen, all they have now is bitterness, and red dirt.
good job.
1 Etsuko1 2018-04-03
Really makes you think 🤔
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
compared to the alternative?
a slow inevitable backslide into being a collection of warring city-states ruled by shitty african warlords?
I mean...
1 Etsuko1 2018-04-03
Woah... Fuck, why didn't I see it that way before... Now that I think about whites were always so chill to black people, giving them free houses and shit... Wtf I love Apartheid now
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
honey, deary, dahling...
I don't argue with SRDines.
Go play weeb in /r/anime.
1 Etsuko1 2018-04-03
From 1 to 10, rate how scared you are of the mayocide
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
i dunno... three fifths?
1 Etsuko1 2018-04-03
Three fifths of a BBC deep inside your wife? 😉
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
lol someone is triggered af
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p.s. I'm gay
1 Etsuko1 2018-04-03
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted the BBC yourself
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
Hun, I only fuck chubby gayos.
I don't plan on getting Aids by the age of 40.
I only fuck perfectly soft and squishy milkfed white bussy.
Only brown I deal with on a regular basis is the skid marks in my man's undies.
Keep projecting.
1 Regergek 2018-04-03
/r/iamverybadass
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
I mean...
:)
1 LieutenantTim 2018-04-03
Up the RA?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Tiocfaidh ár lá, comrade!
1 ChaddingTater 2018-04-03
Stop appropriating my culture britfag
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
If shit like that worked then executing Jesus would've stopped Christianity in its tracks.
Hey remember when the RIAA sued people insane amounts of money for illegally downloading music to 'send a message' to pirates? How well did that work out?
And even if it did work, it's not necessary, it's not the only way to end apartheid so how is it morally justifiable?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
I'm not necessarily saying it's morally justifiable, just that it's understandable in the context of apartheid and I wouldn't really care about it.
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
Yeah I can understand wanting revenge, but that's not going to stop me from them condemning them.
1 ason 2018-04-03
It would be so rewarding to watch a dickless mayo like you piss your pants and cry if you actually witnessed a "justified" necklacing in person.
1 telandrias 2018-04-03
And look what they got for it, more apartheid. Really makes you appreciate the equality in persecuting people of other races
1 throwaway03022017 2018-04-03
Apartheid was better than the current state of South Africa
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
You should be necklaced tbh
1 meatpuppet79 2018-04-03
Well obviously, but I don't want to appropriate any noble African traditions.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
We'll let it slide for this one time!
1 saddertadder 2018-04-03
what the actual fuck are you even real 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
how new are you to the internet
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
It was a stupid joke, and how many emojis you need there pal? It makes you look even more retarded than me ;)
1 saddertadder 2018-04-03
are you new to /r/drama you mongoloid?
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Why you being such a cunt today?
1 saddertadder 2018-04-03
Im not? who are you to accuse me of such things? must be mad!
SAD!
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
Okay hitler.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Godwin's law, or something? I dunno, I don't really care and I can't be bothered arguing with more straw-men.
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
You’re just really thick huh? You literally just stated that the ends justify the means for you. So comparing you to hitler isn’t actually that much of a stretch. Morally and ethically speaking, the end justifies the means type thinking is exceedingly dangerous, especially when applied to public policy. You’re a dunce
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Yes you're right, comparing a genocidal state apparatus with the resistance to apartheid isn't that much of a stretch, how silly of me!
I do sometimes think the ends justify the means, depending on what the ends are, ending apartheid being a case where I'd be willing to justify a lot of fucked up means to get there. If the ends are 'get rid of the jews' then regardless of the means it's fucked up.
1 avocadoshrimptaco2 2018-04-03
Chill out hitler, dont spend all your time on me! You have three other hundred people on here you to yell “STRAWMAN” at. Ahah ahaha
1 VidiotGamer 2018-04-03
Yeah well, then enjoy the Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot comparisons. One mans righteous struggle is just another mans genocide.
I'm going to take that radical centrist approach of trying (it's not that difficult) to not endorse murder simply because I don't like the people getting murdered.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
There's a difference between murder and war though, and resistance to apartheid was arguably a war.
Off-topic but I've seen shitloads of people calling themselves radical centrists on reddit and I still have no idea what it means. How can you be radical and a centrist?
1 VidiotGamer 2018-04-03
It's a joke. Most left or right content on reddit is so radicalized that it's the norm. Being non-radicalized actually makes you a radical in this context.
Given your previous comments, I'm not really surprised that you didn't understand this.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Yeah I'm legit autistic (clock the flair), a lot of jokes are lost on me, especially when they're just words with no intonation or tone of voice or anything.
1 Redactor0 2018-04-03
Just don't try to burn someone to death and then say it was because you didn't properly understand social cues.
1 BobbieMcGee92 2018-04-03
Hah very good.
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-03
Radical centrism is a real ideology and one that's not batshit crazy for once.
1 JumbledFun 2018-04-03
/u/intlcreative you really dance around the fact that the vast majority of necklacing victims of winnie and her friends were black Africans. Was she "fighting white supremacy" in those cases or was it about money and power? Aparteid was already over in the mid 90s yet her boys kept at it. How do you feel about South Africans burning the businesses and bodies of their fellow black Africans because they are from other countries? Got to still fight for that freedom right?
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
I watched a video of some teen from Mozambique been light on fire by a crowd, South Africa is a sick country. I don't see it having a future
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
africa is a sick continent, nothing but hatred and violence everywhere.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
someone pls nuke us.
1 Jimbo_B_Beterson 2018-04-03
Nuke a man once, kill him for a day
Teach a man to nuke, and you have a self-healing problem
1 MooseHeckler 2018-04-03
Nuke the planet!
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
Indeed,The radical centrist's way.
1 MooseHeckler 2018-04-03
If there is no one around to be racist, horrible, or greedy. The there will be no evil. Problem solved!
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
The final solution to all our problems
1 MooseHeckler 2018-04-03
Nuked lives matter.
1 Thhueros 2018-04-03
Both nuclear fission and fusion are the same.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
They both get the job done, exterminating humanoids
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-04-03
The nuke costs more than the worth of your country though.
1 mrrirri 2018-04-03
Is one of this sub's "rules" to be a pseudo-ironic xenophobic ass?
The swastika isn't funny either.
And if your comments are in earnest, has the violence in Charlottesville, by the U.S. police (which are mostly white men) and shooters/domestic terrorism (also mostly omitted by European-Americans) not register in your minds?
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
shut. up. fag.
1 ItsSugar 2018-04-03
Neither are you, but we play the hand we're dealt.
1 lunchza 2018-04-03
I agree, I'm moving to the US where it's safe
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
You ever been there?
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
You ever been to Antarctica?
Do you need to go before knowing that it's cold there?
Fucking please with the gatekeeping
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
Knowing antarctica is cold is not the same as thinking the entire continent of Africa is nothing but hatred and violence.
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
kermitk.gif
1 JumbledFun 2018-04-03
I went to Africa on my honeymoon, was awesome tbh
1 Invalid_Target 2018-04-03
Oh hey, anecdotal bullshit from honeymooners who chilled in the tourist spots.
Neat.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-04-03
Yeah the awesome part is getting to leave when you want.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-04-03
What countries? South Sudan isn’t Seychelles, there’s vast disparities
1 watermark02 2018-04-03
South Sudan is like my favorite.
1 NuckingFigures 2018-04-03
What did you expect from Africa when it's filled with niggers?
1 watermark02 2018-04-03
They're not even niggers. They're africans.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-04-03
male or female teen? was she hot?
1 Dropperneck 2018-04-03
Her husband was a violent terrorist of acclaim. The Mandela name gives her a pass with the western world, or at least with the mainstream/limousine liberals. Jmo
1 _throawayplop_ 2018-04-03
You mistyped freedom fighter
1 Dropperneck 2018-04-03
True
1 uniqueguy263 2018-04-03
He was legit a freedom fighter thoq
1 cvetley 2018-04-03
terrorism and war only matter when white people are involved. The second congo war killed 5 million africans and didn't get a single day of meaningful news coverage because there were no white devils for leftist academia to blame
1 kuro-no-shinigami 2018-04-03
Mod her now.
1 Wordshark 2018-04-03
Didn’t she kill more black people?
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-04-03
Eggs, omelettes
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
Just your average day on /r/drama
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
She was necklacing innocent people, she was an evil human being.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
-you
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
am not defending apartheid, am african myself.
Apartheid was wrong and so is necklacing. I have seen people get necklaced, it is the worst thing that could happen to a human being.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
Painful death is worse than a life of oppression and pain? lol no. Necklacing is not the worst thing in the world, and it's definitely not worse than Apartheid.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
it is a humiliating and painfull death. Dont know why you have to compare both of them. Apartheid was no ended by necklacing, its was ended by non-violent social justice.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
Nonviolence doesn't end these things on its own. MLK didn't end Jim Crow on his own. The government's fear of violent movements like the Black Panthers forced them to work with MLK and pass civil right's legislation. Gandhi didn't expel the Brits form the UK on his own. Their fear of violent Hindutva forced them to work with his movement. The same applies here. Non-violence alone doesn't do it, you need the violence element in the other hand.
Also who gives a shit how humiliating and painful it is? Did the leaders of apartheid care how humiliating and painful apartheid was? Stop caring for the wrong people.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
Then why did she torture and kill black people. Instead of building an army, cutting supplies to apartheid govt and businesses she was torturing and killing black people who didn't think like her. Most necklacing victims were black people she dislikes.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
I guess you plan on completely ignoring my analysis of resistance movements.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
if you want to resist lighting your own people on fire whom you claim you want to protect is the wrong way to go about it. There is a reason Nelson Mandela divorced her and cut her off.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
sounds like someone here is trying to avoid getting necklaced
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
It is one of my greatest fear, I saw it happen once when I was 13.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIGURINES 2018-04-03
I’m with you on the necklacing, but this is just wrong. It was ended (in no small part) because of a prolonged campaign of bombings targeting non-combatant civilians and sabotage carried out by the ANC and funded by the USSR, China, Cuba, and NK. Left wing agitation abroad did the rest. There was nothing non-violent about it.
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
you forget that the US and many western countries withdrew their support of SA govt after the threat of communism dissipated. The UN put up economic sanction against SA. The USA pulled out many companies of SA.
Nelson Mandela had world wide support and the SA govt had no other option but to free him and negotiate.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIGURINES 2018-04-03
Yes, left-wing agitation led to sanctions. Ronald Regan was opposed to sanctions but it the political die was cast.
1 TheTassieDevil 2018-04-03
Question, where are you from?
1 PM_ME_UR_FIGURINES 2018-04-03
Why does it matter?
1 TheTassieDevil 2018-04-03
Tells me where you got your views from. Someone from a particular area of the world would have differing opinions. I'm going to guess middle class white, champagne socialist. Probably American.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIGURINES 2018-04-03
Lol. Too funny.
If you disagree with my argument, make a better one. Present altenate facts. Ad hominems aren’t arguments.
1 TheTassieDevil 2018-04-03
Your whole argument is an opinion that necklacing isn't bad.
1 PM_ME_UR_FIGURINES 2018-04-03
I think you’ve misread my argument.
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
"Hey everyone as long as we're not worse than the people we're fighting then everything we do is morally justified" Where have I heard that before?
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
from most good people
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
People who torture people needlessly are not good people.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
That's where you're wrong, kiddo!
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
Prove that it was necessary then.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
Which case?
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
Prove the torture was necessary to end apartheid.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
It worked.
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw
There were lots of other people putting pressure on South Africa to end apartheid. How do you know the torture was the reason it ended?
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
I don't know anything for sure. But you don't know it wasn't. You can't get mad about it.
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
"You can't prove the rock isn't helping."
1 Standard12 2018-04-03
Physics is only playing with you. Reality is they hate black people and are pro apartheid.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-04-03
please, it's not even that creative. i could come up with worse ways to die in my sleep (because i'm white tbh)
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
"If you're not with me you're against me, nuance isn't a thing, and I take my ethical lessons from George W. Bush" - you.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-04-03
Nuance is a luxury of the rich. When there's a bullet in your head, see how well nuance will serve you.
1 rockidol 2018-04-03
"I tell myself this so I don't have to confront my morality. I want to justify my bloodlust damnit and no "rationality" is going to stop me" -you
1 LSDawson 2018-04-03
"oh shit i'm being oppressed by white people, time to brutally murder some black teenagers"
1 TheLordHighExecu 2018-04-03
I think the consensus is that they are both evil, Mr. False Dichotomy.
1 HailSanta2512 2018-04-03
literal whataboutism
1 Redactor0 2018-04-03
So yeah, it's a pretty average day.
1 LSDawson 2018-04-03
1 Pepperglue 2018-04-03
This is like the Black's version of "I can't condemn Hitler completely, since he had some right ideas"?
u/intlcreative, if I didn't know better, I would have thought your comment is made by a klansman.
1 intlcreative 2018-04-03
Hey i'm not a fan of genocidal governments. Are you?
1 ffbtaw 2018-04-03
Only if they are genociding mayos.
1 Redactor0 2018-04-03
I have a hard time believing that when you have such a strong opinion in favor of burning black men alive.
1 Nonce-Victim 2018-04-03
It does sound like you are tbf
1 Pepperglue 2018-04-03
Me neither baby. That's why I am wary of the direction South Africa is going.
1 wolfdreams01 2018-04-03
So I'm a poor uneducated America, but I need to ask - when groups of people are pouring gasoline on their enemies and lighting them up in the street, shouldn't the government be cracking down as violently as possible on everybody involved? I mean, when you give up on rule of law, then your government has effectively given up on governing and gone into a death spiral. Part of the reason Trump won is because Antifa was starting to get really violent and the Democrats in office were unwilling to clamp down on it, so we elected somebody who would.
I suppose that if I need to translate this into the language of r/drama, didn't South Africa massively cuck itself as guilt over colonialism, allowing a literal mayocide?
1 life_is_painfull_ 2018-04-03
the apartheid govt was evil it was also doing fucked up things. It did the right thing b stepping down. Retards like yourself and black supremacist can't seem to accept that both sides are evil. Neck yourself please.
1 shallowm 2018-04-03
FTFY
1 watermark02 2018-04-03
Antifa only emerged after the fascist/Russian takeover of America. They are freedom fighters who speak for the American people, rather than the fascist white supremacist terrorist under their terrorist dictator Trump.
This is what happened when they tried non-violent protests in regard to apartheid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre
After non-violence fails a turn to violence is only inevitable. The apartheid government could not keep power even if it wanted to, it would've been overthrown.
Maybe the fanatical white supremacists should've never tried apartheid in the first place, and thus justified revolution? Revolution against an evolution regime is not only morally allowable, it is required.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-04-03
What crack are you smoking? antifa and blackbloc tactics have been around for ever just because you only just noticed them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Shit Orwell in Spain was OG antifa with actual guns and bombs not purple hair and bike locks.
1 Waldhorn 2018-04-03
NPRs reporting on her death made her sound like the farking Pope....no mention of controversy....BBC did better
1 Chicup 2018-04-03
NPR is for hipsters and limo liberals, they arn't allowed to say anything unkind about a POC unless they came out as republican.
1 Waldhorn 2018-04-03
Alas, I fear that this is true. It wasn't always this way. In the old days they worked hard not to take a political stand regardless of the administration in power. Even the BBC has gone PC. Dark days.....
1 WorldStarCroCop 2018-04-03
Some of my relatives were gushing about how good of a time they had in South Africa. So I asked them how Johannesburg was and they were like "oh we don't know they told us not to look outside of the cab or make eye contact with anyone"
So yea, South Africa is great. My Namibian friend is even thinking about visiting so she can johanne in on the mayocide.
1 watermark02 2018-04-03
Traitors to the apartheid struggle had it coming, hope they liked their necklace.
1 JohnPNjui 2018-04-03
http://thechroniclesofpokohunter.com/2018/04/05/rest-in-power-winnie-mama-africa-mandela/
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-03
Jesus fucking Christ, here we are in 2018 defending lighting your own people on fire... We've come full circle back to the fucking middle ages.