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TLDR he’s too extra

If giant advice dumps on Reddit cured people of all their problems, I wouldn't be shitposting on /r/drama at 2 am right now

Try drinking more

Surprisingly, that's not among my many vices. Maybe I should give it a shot...

Give it more than one!

If you actually followed the advice it would prolly work.

I never said it would cure people of all their problems.

I got some positive feedback in the form of a lot of upvotes at first and then highly controversial point fluctuations. My hope is that I helped someone see a little bit of hope and maybe make a small change.

You’re a condescending fuckwad.

Please tell me which part is condescending.

That sub isn't for people looking for advice. It's for mocking people who give advice because their depressed and thus scared of changing their lives for the better.

I think it's for people with clinical depression who get told "hey: why not just look on the bright side".

Imagine telling someone with autism "hey: why not get outside and meet more people"

I think it's for people with fat who get told "hey: why not just try eating less. Do you really need a whole pizza, bag of tendies, gallon of Mountain Dew, and 2 bags of chips every day?".

That's here, isn't it?

Imagine telling someone with autism "hey: why not get outside and meet more people"

We tried that, it just results in failed love quests.

It’s for mocking shitty advice like “just change your life for the better”.

u/Swing0nTheSpiral If you'd like to swing on by our sub, I've got my DSM out and I'm ready to diagnose you.

Hello there

I believe you have autism. I'm sorry, there's no cure.

How to act passive aggressive and snarky at people that genuinely want to help you while playing the victim and absolving yourself of all personal responsibility: the sub.

Trust me, we've all heard that "advice" before. The end result? Instead of just being miserable, we are miserable while doing a hobby. Or while lifting. Makes little difference.

miserable while not following the advice of people telling us to change our lives for the better

ftfy

dude just change your life lmao

I literally wrote several pages of step by step advice, it's not 4 words.

That's not step by step. Many people with depression don't have the drive to do these things or don't get any enjoyment from hobbies and social activities. So they are stuck in the self-improvement phase forever. I personally wasted 3-4 years being social, lifting and learning various skills while hating every minute of it before discovering that LDAR was the way.

Again, nowhere did I discourage therapy or meds or any other treatment. I wrote that in the post itself. I also accounted for the lack of motivation to make big changes with the habit building part.

Bro just form a habit lmao lmo

I can't help someone that doesn't want to help themselves. So yeah, if you can't manage to do a tiny thing every day to improve your situation, nothing I say will help you.

Looks like you finally understand, buddy. I'm proud of ya!

That has never been excluded from anything I've said. You just didn't understand what I've been saying this entire time.

Clearly lying. Let's not fall into bad habits eh

Just like I can't change the fact that you have no motivation, I can't change the fact that you're too dumb to read and understand what you read.

you've beeeeeeeen fooound oooouuut

Take your meds please

replying to assholes on the internet is part of my therapy

So what's your point? Continue to be miserable and do nothing?

I bet 90% of people like that have not ever make a serious effort to get their life in order... they just think about it and say... nah that won’t help

I'm glad that you are here to give your two cents, I'm sure you know them better than they know yourselves.

You mean that sub full of people who regularly mock and trash clinical advice like cardio exercise, meditation, making an effort toward more positive thinking, letting go of past negative memories, time in nature and sunlight, and making a schedule? Yeah man I'm pretty sure they're holding themselves back in a significant way.

I know because I’ve been in that same exact position before. Still kind of am. Have issues with anxiety and depression... really hard to motivate myself to do shit, feel hopeless a lot, etc. but when I force myself to be productive and exercise and socialize, don’t use alcohol/drugs as a crutch etc.. I feel 1 million times better

Yet some people actually benefit and manage to sack up and stop being a pussy, get in control of their own lives and improve.

A lot of it is actually pretty solid advice. Of course the average woe is me redditor isn't going to want to put in the work to uplift themselves or change their situation. Misery is easy, happiness takes hard work

Lol

It's solid advice for people who are mildly depressed. The problem is assuming that most/all depressed people out there can manage their symptoms that way.

I explicitly said I was not telling people to abstain from therapy or meds.

And what I'm saying is that you're advice doesn't work for more severe depression, and that it's not at all surprising you got downvoted and called out for being condescending. Don't know what you were expecting.

MDD is not mild depression, it's major depressive disorder. Again, it is not exclusive from therapy or meds, if you need them you need them.

I knew they would be mad, but judging by how controversial the point fluctuations were and how many upvotes I had at the beginning, I know I made a good impact on some people.

If your post even has an impact on one person who changes their behaviour because of it then it was worth it. Respect to you for making it, don't listen to the nay sayers

Thanks man I really appreciate it.

It's really hard to give advice on that sub and get anything but downvotes

Maybe because that's not what the sub is for 🤔

So I'll give an example.

One post was someone saying "I have trouble with motivation" being responded to with someone saying "have you tried keeping a journal?"

and everyone in the comment section was shitting on the advice, claiming it was stupid advice. So I posted about 8 or 9 links about how keeping is recommended by mental health professionals to help depressed people develop motivation.

The sub is largely for mocking advice that a clinician would give you. Every single page has at least a few of those posts and they're often the top post. I'm not trying to be a member of that sub, I'm countering the misinformation on it. There are teenagers on there getting rewarded for shunning good advice and watching people get rewarded for shunning good advice.

It's fundamentally a dangerous sub unless someone starts moderating it.

I'm not saying it's a great sub. I'm saying that if you waltz into a sub and do the exact thing it mocks people for doing, you're gonna have a bad time. The fact that you're so bewildered about it is pretty funny.

Where did I say I was bewildered? I just stated a fact that it's hard to post advice there without getting downvoted.

If it's growing quickly, maybe it would be a good idea to think about why it resonates so well with depressed people. Most depressed people have had the experience of people offering useless advice. There's always the "just exercise" guy, or "I was depressed once" (goes on to explain a sad event in their life that made them temporarily very sad) guy. It just shows flagrant ignorance of the actual condition, which is why the best advice you could give would be to go see a specialist, and not offer trite advice that sounds nice but doesn't help.

Fuck. I serious posted in /r/drama. Time to get off of reddit.

There are a ton of situations where people like things that aren't good for and there are popular groups that spread misinformation. This is one of them.

Good luck on your crusade of unsolicited and unhelpful advice.

Thanks. I got a ton of positive feedback in another thread where it was posted.

Yeah. In a subreddit not specifically dedicated to making fun of people like you, people that are asking for advice and not just bonding over a common frustrating experience, it would go over better. It's not like what you said would be bad for people.

Yeah the sub is for losers to whine about how their completely fixable problems are entirely unfixable.

All I have to do is try to not be miserable? What a fucking revelation.

He's right you know. Stop being a weak beta faggot.

I like how they built the concentration camp themselves.

Long, boring, AskReddit-tier effortposts are downvote-worthy regardless of the subreddit they're shat out on to.

I can understand ignoring it, I don't understand why you would downvote a comment just because it is long.

You're insufferable

I was just saying I don't understand why someone would downvote a comment just because it is long and took a lot of effort.

effort is bad

Op I'm open to any specific criticism as to why you believe some piece of the advice is retarded.

It's not bad advice in all honesty I had fairly severe depression and managed to get rid of it by following similar steps Wrong sub to post it in though

Give even one specific thing that is retarded, because right now it looks like you're just wrong and are avoiding that reality.

So you do admit that you're wrong.

Says the guy who is incapable of giving a simple rationale of an accusation he made.

I'm not saying don't see a therapist, do this in instead. Therapy and meds if you get prescribed them. Your entire rant there is a strawman.

This is just a thing to work on your mental health, not to do as a replacement for therapy if you need therapy.

The illness in that post was specifically depression. You just put up a wall of text almost attacking things that I'm not saying.

they're actually actively counterproductive to improving mental health

You never specified which parts of my comment you used for your Op are counter-productive. You only said insulting people was counter-productive, which wasn't part of my advice that you're criticizing.

All this sperging out and you still can't name specifics. Ask me if I'm surprised.

Are you excited to lie awake in bed tonight, wondering if your pain will ever stop? Thinking about those bad memories, wondering if it's even worth it anymore, constantly suppressing the reality that your suffering is all your fault?

You know it's your fault buddy, you know you're not doing what you could be in order to make things better. There is a way you could make the pain stop you know...

Lol you're pretty good at this man. I'm not even mad. You're still dumb and wrong though.

what is it with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou shitbirds like yourself that you're obsessed with thoroughly cited and embellished "debate"? PLZ GIB CRITICISM

lol fuck off dillweed, this isn't your high school debate club, you're just retarded

You seem smart.

GOTTEM

I detect a lot of dirty rooms in that sub

Thank you, it's probably the best thing I've ever created in my whole life.

lmao im not even some loser with brain problems and i find the dude insufferable. people who cant comprehend the idea of there being a time or place where their opinion isnt wanted are the fucking worst.

But never ever could bad feelings arise from a sincere assessment of your surroundings. It's only because you don't excercise enough