I can only confidently guarantee that the prostitute you end up making tender love to (lol) will shower longer than she usually does after your 5 shameful minutes of disappointing her
Chris Cabra Only if the definition of poverty is not continually changed (also man's fault)
What is considered poverty to some now, was more like upper middle class just 100 years ago, in America at least.
Turning Point USA is an American conservative, right-wing nonprofit organization whose stated mission is to educate students about "true free market values."
It always amazed me that overt propaganda agencies can escape being totally discredited by simply rebranding themselves as "think tanks." They are a danger to society and should be banned by any sane government.
I won't pretend to know the best way to do it, but I think there's enough room for nuance to say that organizations that specifically use free speech as an excuse to act as a democracy management system shouldn't be allowed to exist.
Maybe have definitions mean something? Think tanks like to call themselves universities without students, so subject them to accreditation standards like universities (fellows must publish in peer-reviewed journals, partisanship can't be too overt, no organizational endorsement of retarded memes). Groups like TPUSA can keep doing what they do, they just need to label themselves accurately as "advocacy groups" or "gay bathhouses."
At the very least, don't let them take foreign money. We've got everyone from Qatar to Norway pouring lots of cash into these organizations and we just pretend they're homegrown institutions that have America's best interests at heart.
Its mostly murdochs fault in the end, dude is a fucking nutter read up the shit he did to his kids, had some crazy nanny who abused them if they didnt shit on a strict schedule, some absurd totaltarian shit.
This is really what I'm getting at, I don't see how paid speech can be considered a free speech issue. The think tank ecosystem has evolved into a way to launder money into greater sway over public opinion, and I don't think free speech absolutists have put forth a credible way to counter this. We are entering an era when it is possible to silence opinions by simply drowning it out with noise, and you can pay someone else to do it. How free is that?
Paid versus unpaid speech is probably about where I draw the line, the more I think about it. I phrased my comment that way because I'm leaving the possibility that similar abuses may be driven by other factors.
(Political) speech you get paid for, like speaking fees, payments for opinion pieces and op-eds, etc. So you can say whatever you want, you just can't take money for sharing political opinions.
Obviously, how we define the limit should be as permissive as possible. There's room for all kinds of caveats and special considerations.
I don't see a book ban as the inevitable result, what I'm thinking is that it should be illegal for a political organization to finance the publication process. It would obviously have a chilling effect on some kinds of content, but I don't see political pundits losing their platform as a bad thing for democracy.
You can probably tell I haven't thought about this issue as it applies to think tanks all that much either. However, I think it's naive to say that at our current level of media technology that there won't be a lot of second-order effects that may actually harm democracy if we're too permissive. This especially for think tanks, which give cover to some really heinous shit. I'd just rather not live in a country where a policy can be memed into existence if you're rich or powerful enough.
organizations that openly promote a political ideology should be banned, but ones that subtly promote one in the process of practicing a different form of expression should not be
Do they have any idea who Mandela was, or the kinds of things he believed? Or is just this another example of right winger pretending prominent, dead black leaders were really on their side?
Nothing in that quote says that removing poverty, slavery or apartheid are good things, just that they can be removed. Maybe that think tank is just trying to raise awareness that slavery can be removed so we need to defend that shit. Cotton ain't gonna pick itself now is it?
Because of this sub, I've already got Youtube suggesting alt-right shit for me and Amazon suggesting 55-gallon drums of lube. I'd at least like it if you don't give Mark Zuckerburg another data point on me.
We should be posting more TP shit. Between the glaring lack of self-awareness and Charlie Kirk quite possibly being the poster child for Downs, the whole thing is a gold mine of Drama.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-04-21
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1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2018-04-21
Imagine being this retarded.
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
no surprises here
1 ComedicSans 2018-04-21
What does one Mandela cost?
1 fingerpaintswithpoop 2018-04-21
500 Liberty Bucksโข.
1 ComedicSans 2018-04-21
So Trump would cost 800 Liberty BucksTM ?
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
10 bucks, five used
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-04-21
Turning Point or not?
Turning Point or not?
Turning Point or not?
Turning Point or not?
Turning Point or not?
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-21
Ummm
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-04-21
It's a game. Pick which pictures you think are of members of the organization Turning Point USA and let me know.
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-21
All of the above?
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-04-21
The answer is 1 and 4 only. Everything else is random Google searches ๐๐๐
1 LightUmbra 2018-04-21
drats
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
Maybe
No
3-5. Yes
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-04-21
1 is the same guy as 4
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-04-21
The answer is 1 and 4 only. Everything else is random Google searches ๐๐๐
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
Well at least I knew #2 wasnโt. Those are socialist diapers for sure
1 Anthropist_ 2018-04-21
yes
no
no
yes
yes
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-04-21
1 and 4 only.
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
I may have my opinions but at least I'm not a whore. Imagine wishing for a particular set of policies so much it turns you into this.
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
It always amazed me that overt propaganda agencies can escape being totally discredited by simply rebranding themselves as "think tanks." They are a danger to society and should be banned by any sane government.
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
finally, some sense
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
I won't pretend to know the best way to do it, but I think there's enough room for nuance to say that organizations that specifically use free speech as an excuse to act as a democracy management system shouldn't be allowed to exist.
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
I think there isnโt really a practical distinction between the two
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-04-21
Maybe have definitions mean something? Think tanks like to call themselves universities without students, so subject them to accreditation standards like universities (fellows must publish in peer-reviewed journals, partisanship can't be too overt, no organizational endorsement of retarded memes). Groups like TPUSA can keep doing what they do, they just need to label themselves accurately as "advocacy groups" or "gay bathhouses."
1 Redactor0 2018-04-21
At the very least, don't let them take foreign money. We've got everyone from Qatar to Norway pouring lots of cash into these organizations and we just pretend they're homegrown institutions that have America's best interests at heart.
1 allendrio 2018-04-21
Its mostly murdochs fault in the end, dude is a fucking nutter read up the shit he did to his kids, had some crazy nanny who abused them if they didnt shit on a strict schedule, some absurd totaltarian shit.
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
This is really what I'm getting at, I don't see how paid speech can be considered a free speech issue. The think tank ecosystem has evolved into a way to launder money into greater sway over public opinion, and I don't think free speech absolutists have put forth a credible way to counter this. We are entering an era when it is possible to silence opinions by simply drowning it out with noise, and you can pay someone else to do it. How free is that?
1 grungebot5000 2018-04-21
Oh yeah that one sounds like a good rule for sure
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
Paid versus unpaid speech is probably about where I draw the line, the more I think about it. I phrased my comment that way because I'm leaving the possibility that similar abuses may be driven by other factors.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-04-21
What do you mean by paid speech?
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
(Political) speech you get paid for, like speaking fees, payments for opinion pieces and op-eds, etc. So you can say whatever you want, you just can't take money for sharing political opinions.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-04-21
So just to be clear, you're literally proposing banning books?
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
Hm, yeah I see what you mean.
Obviously, how we define the limit should be as permissive as possible. There's room for all kinds of caveats and special considerations.
I don't see a book ban as the inevitable result, what I'm thinking is that it should be illegal for a political organization to finance the publication process. It would obviously have a chilling effect on some kinds of content, but I don't see political pundits losing their platform as a bad thing for democracy.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-04-21
I dunno. This all seems somewhat radical to me, but I clearly haven't thought it through as well as you have.
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
You can probably tell I haven't thought about this issue as it applies to think tanks all that much either. However, I think it's naive to say that at our current level of media technology that there won't be a lot of second-order effects that may actually harm democracy if we're too permissive. This especially for think tanks, which give cover to some really heinous shit. I'd just rather not live in a country where a policy can be memed into existence if you're rich or powerful enough.
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-04-21
Personally, I'd rather live in a country where all policies are memes.
So I'm afraid we're just not going to see eye-to-eye here.
1 RelevantEmployment 2018-04-21
At the end of the day, aren't all policies memes? I just like my memes organic and locally sourced.
1 westofthetracks 2018-04-21
finally, some sense
1 newcomer_ts 2018-04-21
If plight of white farmers in South Africa is anything to go by, it will not be pretty...
1 scatmunchies 2018-04-21
Do they have any idea who Mandela was, or the kinds of things he believed? Or is just this another example of right winger pretending prominent, dead black leaders were really on their side?
1 westofthetracks 2018-04-21
take a wild guess
1 take_a_dumpling 2018-04-21
Nothing in that quote says that removing poverty, slavery or apartheid are good things, just that they can be removed. Maybe that think tank is just trying to raise awareness that slavery can be removed so we need to defend that shit. Cotton ain't gonna pick itself now is it?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-04-21
MISS ME WITH THAT GAY SHIT ๐คข๐คฎ๐ค
1 Redactor0 2018-04-21
Because of this sub, I've already got Youtube suggesting alt-right shit for me and Amazon suggesting 55-gallon drums of lube. I'd at least like it if you don't give Mark Zuckerburg another data point on me.
1 Phantom_Engineer 2018-04-21
Is this the missing link? The proof text for Horseshoe Theory?
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-04-21
Linking to Facebook when I'm on mobile is worse than Apartheid
1 KateUptonsCumback 2018-04-21
We should be posting more TP shit. Between the glaring lack of self-awareness and Charlie Kirk quite possibly being the poster child for Downs, the whole thing is a gold mine of Drama.
1 holditsteady 2018-04-21
this is bold
1 THE_RIGHT_CANT_MEME 2018-04-21