We still have the bill of sale from the weapons he [Saddam Hussein] used to commit genocide.
This is the problem with u/Prince_Kropotkin. He makes a lot of statements like this, but if you actually try to pin him down on it, it's immediately clear that he doesn't know a goddamn thing about history. He's not saying this because he has knowledge of any arms exports from the US to Iraq in the 1980s, he's saying it because his ideology tells him that they must have existed. Why bother learning what actually happened when you know the imperialists are bad so you can just guess at what horrible crimes they might have committed?
Whenever /u/Prince_Kropotkin goes against r/neoliberal's resident soyboy international relations expert cuck, he always seems to get BTFO pretty badly š¤š¤š¤
And yet he's such an expert on that one tribe in Madagascar that supposedly were anarchists. It's funny how he has so little knowledge of the world outside of that. If I were cynical, I might even suspect that he just trots that out knowing that nobody else will have heard of them and be able to debunk his bullshit.
u/donkeykong420 I'm actually quite interested in the Iran-Iraq War and I've never heard of any US involvement in the invasion in 1980. Not even any "amber lights" if you know what I mean. So I'd love it if you'd give me a source here so I can follow up on it and learn more.
I didnāt mean that we helped him decide to invade (though maybe we did, honestly have no idea), I meant that we helped him after he started the invasion. Keep in mind this war lasted a brutal 8 years.
Iām a bit too lazy to summarize everything I know about the war (itās way past midnight lol), but if you just google āus involvement in Iran Iraq Warā thereās plenty of info. Of course the US infamously sold arms to Iran as well, but most of the aid went to Saddam especially during the initial phases before Saddam retreated.
Iād also recommend learning about the politics of the region. Baathism, the Iranian revolution, how and why they clashed, and how the US viewed them. I think Kissinger said after it became clear Saddam was losing āwhy canāt they both loseā. In a way, they both lost since the war ended in a stalemate while both sides racked up huge death counts. Part of the reason Saddam invaded Kuwaiti oil fields is because of how indebted he was after the war.
Radio War Nerd has a podcast episode on the war but itās behind a paywall unfortunately. I remember it being informative though.
Sorry for doubting you, Mr. 420. You're better informed than I expected, except about one thing:
most of the aid went to Saddam especially during the initial phases before Saddam retreated
You've got it backwards. The US wasn't involved at first. It was only after 1982 when the Iranians were threatening to overrun Iraq that the US began to share intelligence with them via Saudi Arabia. US involvement in the tanker war in the Persian Gulf slowly ramped up until it led to some pretty serious combat right at the end of the war.
Youāre right, I fumbled the dates. It wasnāt only intelligence sharing though, they also sent money to Saddam. In any case, if you want my opinion on this I think US intervention made this particular conflict worse.
Itās kind of funny that the stated purpose of US defending Saddam was that Iranian counter-invasion would ādestabilizeā the ME since today, 30 years later, we deposed Saddam and Iran took his place anyways. I guess we jinxed it.
Netanyahu, MBS of Saudi Arabia, fuck we can go back through history and find dozens of these people... our pal Sukarno with the Indonesian Genocide.. our friend Saddam Hussein with the Kurds...
/u/Prince_Kropotkin, I know this was written in the heat of the moment, but god damn what an embarrassing typo.
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1 Redactor0 2018-04-29
This is the problem with u/Prince_Kropotkin. He makes a lot of statements like this, but if you actually try to pin him down on it, it's immediately clear that he doesn't know a goddamn thing about history. He's not saying this because he has knowledge of any arms exports from the US to Iraq in the 1980s, he's saying it because his ideology tells him that they must have existed. Why bother learning what actually happened when you know the imperialists are bad so you can just guess at what horrible crimes they might have committed?
1 throwawayact69 2018-04-29
Whenever /u/Prince_Kropotkin goes against r/neoliberal's resident soyboy international relations expert cuck, he always seems to get BTFO pretty badly š¤š¤š¤
1 Redactor0 2018-04-29
And yet he's such an expert on that one tribe in Madagascar that supposedly were anarchists. It's funny how he has so little knowledge of the world outside of that. If I were cynical, I might even suspect that he just trots that out knowing that nobody else will have heard of them and be able to debunk his bullshit.
1 Redactor0 2018-04-29
u/donkeykong420 I'm actually quite interested in the Iran-Iraq War and I've never heard of any US involvement in the invasion in 1980. Not even any "amber lights" if you know what I mean. So I'd love it if you'd give me a source here so I can follow up on it and learn more.
1 donkeykong420 2018-04-29
I didnāt mean that we helped him decide to invade (though maybe we did, honestly have no idea), I meant that we helped him after he started the invasion. Keep in mind this war lasted a brutal 8 years.
Iām a bit too lazy to summarize everything I know about the war (itās way past midnight lol), but if you just google āus involvement in Iran Iraq Warā thereās plenty of info. Of course the US infamously sold arms to Iran as well, but most of the aid went to Saddam especially during the initial phases before Saddam retreated.
Iād also recommend learning about the politics of the region. Baathism, the Iranian revolution, how and why they clashed, and how the US viewed them. I think Kissinger said after it became clear Saddam was losing āwhy canāt they both loseā. In a way, they both lost since the war ended in a stalemate while both sides racked up huge death counts. Part of the reason Saddam invaded Kuwaiti oil fields is because of how indebted he was after the war.
Radio War Nerd has a podcast episode on the war but itās behind a paywall unfortunately. I remember it being informative though.
1 Redactor0 2018-04-29
Sorry for doubting you, Mr. 420. You're better informed than I expected, except about one thing:
You've got it backwards. The US wasn't involved at first. It was only after 1982 when the Iranians were threatening to overrun Iraq that the US began to share intelligence with them via Saudi Arabia. US involvement in the tanker war in the Persian Gulf slowly ramped up until it led to some pretty serious combat right at the end of the war.
1 donkeykong420 2018-04-29
Youāre right, I fumbled the dates. It wasnāt only intelligence sharing though, they also sent money to Saddam. In any case, if you want my opinion on this I think US intervention made this particular conflict worse.
Itās kind of funny that the stated purpose of US defending Saddam was that Iranian counter-invasion would ādestabilizeā the ME since today, 30 years later, we deposed Saddam and Iran took his place anyways. I guess we jinxed it.
1 SexyTaft 2018-04-29
i fucking wish lmao
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2018-04-29
/r/neoloberal really is a black holes of hot takes from a bunch of dumbass high schoolers.
1 Neronoah 2018-04-29
No, it's undergrads. The few highschoolers there are not that cringy.
1 RichEvansSextape 2018-04-29
I genuinely miss /u/Prince_Kropotkin posting here
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1 Neronoah 2018-04-29
/r/drama got too fascist unironically for his tastes.
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-04-29
/u/Prince_Kropotkin, I know this was written in the heat of the moment, but god damn what an embarrassing typo.