The federal court in Richmond found that the primary purpose of North Carolina's wasn't to stop voter fraud, but rather to disenfranchise minority voters. The judges found that the provisions "target African Americans with almost surgical precision."
In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote.
So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."
The data also showed that black voters were more likely to make use of early voting — particularly the first seven days out of North Carolina's 17-day voting period. So lawmakers eliminated these seven days of voting. "After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days," the court found.
Most strikingly, the judges point to a "smoking gun" in North Carolina's justification for the law, proving discriminatory intent. The state argued in court that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black" and "disproportionately Democratic," and said it did away with Sunday voting as a result.
"Thus, in what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race — specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise," the judges write in their decision.
I’m not spinning shit, your argument is that it’s harder for blacks or Mexicans or whatever the chocolate-tinged flavor of the month is to get an ID and I’m saying that there’s literally zero difference; white or black, you pay the same fee and wait just as long.
You'll never win this one with DEMs, ID is required for virtually everything, but god forbid we "raycis'" force people to show it to fucking vote. It's the most obvious ploy to leave loopholes open for illegals to vote. Look at the representatives and senators that fight voter ID so hard, then look at their districts; they don't want to lose any votes illegal or not.
Europe has a voter ID system that’s meant to ensure elections are fair. The US has a bit of a jungle system where we go, “well thank god the dead don’t vote, amirite Chicago?”
So what is wrong with voter ID if it’s done in a non-partisan manner?
Nothing. The problem isn't voter ID laws, it's the fact the type of laws the GOP pushes in the US are in no way intended to stop voter fraud (which is a non-existent) problem.
How do they go about this racist conspiracy? I genuinely don’t get how this is supposed to keep nonwhites from voting. Even if you’re in the .0001 percent of the voting population who doesn’t have a driver’s license, it’s easy as fuck to get state-issued ID.
Because the 4th circuit is politically liberal, and liberals oppose voter ID because “muh racism”. We are going in circles here.
I’ll ask again, why do liberals hate voter ID laws so much? Is it racist for European countries with far more immigrants per capita than the US to impose voter ID laws on their citizens?
Saying that a court’s previous ruling history is not an indicator of reasoning behind hypothetical future rulings is asinine and you know it, pizzaboi. To say that requiring a $10 ID is “suppressing” voting is absurd on its face.
Most strikingly, the judges point to a "smoking gun" in North Carolina's justification for the law, proving discriminatory intent. The state argued in court that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black" and "disproportionately Democratic," and said it did away with Sunday voting as a result.
"Thus, in what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race — specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise," the judges write in their decision.
Something about Sunday voting, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand. I’m talking about IDs to prevent illegals from voting, you seem to be grasping for evidence that racist suppression occurs in general.
I can't tell if you're actually this retarded or it's an act.
A) There is no voter fraud problem in this country, and that's been proven over and over again.
B) The voter ID laws do not even counter in-person voter fraud.
It doesn't matter if a black person has access to the same ID a white person does.
If you intentionally amend a bill and specifically cut out alternate forms of ID one group has, you are guilty of discrimination. the intent is clear. Intent matters, there's a reason you and your fellow crazies keep losing in federal court.
It isn't because the courts are biased against you, it's because you're using an imaginary problem (voter fraud) to outright suppress voters. You are breaking the law, that is why you keep losing in court.
Why do you care if states require ID to vote, then? It won’t affect anyone if you’re right.
Because the laws are literally trying to suppress voters, which has been proven in court multiple times.
Cite your sources. You realize San Francisco gives illegals the right to vote, right?
The fucking courts keep shooting them down because they are not legal.
As for your San Francisco claim, no, they do not give illegals the right to vote.
And if you're about to link what I think you're about to link, I highly suggest you read the facts from a source other than Breitbart, because the things you believe are not true.
Dude, you know what you did here. The idea that letting people vote in school elections they pay taxes for is somehow "letting illegals vote" is absurd.
Nobody even votes in school elections. Nobody cares about them, they aren't relevant.
Gonna have to just dismiss you here. When someone convinces themselves that any research that says they're wrong isn't credible, you might as well try to teach a rodent math.
You just aren't intellectually capable of understanding why you're wrong, so I'm not going to waste my time.
The problem isn't voter ID laws, it's the type of voter ID laws republicans attempt to put in place.
They are very clearly interested in voter suppression.
Not only because there is no voter fraud problem in this country so they're coming up with solutions to problems that do not exist, but because they often try to cut early voting and target specific demographics.
It did, you just aren't very smart. Trying to compare the voter ID laws from other countries, ones that aren't dealing with hyper-racist proto-fascists is disingenuous.
Your dissonance is frankly amazing. You trust the same experts that put Hilldawg on a cover as "madam president" and manipulated polls for months to try to manipulate the masses. These same "experts" are scrambling to take the narrative back over and useful idiots like you are making it worse for them acting like shit doesn't stink.
It's dumb because it exposes that countries with 1000s of years of history use a system we could be using as well, but the DEMs have a strangle hold on the race card and have been using it unabashedly to protect their "voters".
DEM appointed Judges, or neocons, protecting the status quo. Everybody know the circuit courts are for calling in political favors, shit look at the travel ban charade.
Yeah I don't read swill. Following a dead newspaper that shilled as hard as they could for Clinton. I long for the days when everyone sees the MSM for the bullshit it is, and start developing their own opinions instead of ones they're told to think.
Fox News is equally guilty, I'm not on a side here. It's just amazing so many people still reference news sources like we don't know they're all literally working hand in hand with both parties.
ah yes the federal rulings that are infallible. like the federal rulings re: slavery. or allowing slaves into kansas. or segregation. or not allowing women to vote.
This is insane. conservatives have unironically convinced themselves their mental illness is superior to federal court rulings and anytime they're confronted with the fact they lose in court they can just bring up slavery.
This country is like the Alabama of the western world.
imagine being so retarded you think asking for an ID is the same level of disenfranchisement as land requirements, spelling tests, and distance restrictions.
Imagine thinking politicians requesting racial voting patterns and then amending a bill in a specific way as to suppress as many non-white voters as possible and then literally going into court and admitting it was racially motivated is not racial voter suppression.
having proof of identity to vote in state and federal elections that have an impact on the citizenry is not racist. dmvs will mail ids if you can’t come to the dmv and will waive the fee if you’re low income.
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1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
I n bet got why voter ID was such a talking point, elucidate me u/pizzashill
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Sure.
Because they have nothing to do with stopping voter fraud.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-smoking-gun-proving-north-carolina-republicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/?noredirect=on
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
But how does it target minorities? IDs cost like $10 and two hours at the dmv, regardless of racial status.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Read the article dude.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
I’m not spinning shit, your argument is that it’s harder for blacks or Mexicans or whatever the chocolate-tinged flavor of the month is to get an ID and I’m saying that there’s literally zero difference; white or black, you pay the same fee and wait just as long.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Blatantly delusional dude.
1 KingWayneX 2018-04-30
Please help me get an an ID saviour!?!
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
You'll never win this one with DEMs, ID is required for virtually everything, but god forbid we "raycis'" force people to show it to fucking vote. It's the most obvious ploy to leave loopholes open for illegals to vote. Look at the representatives and senators that fight voter ID so hard, then look at their districts; they don't want to lose any votes illegal or not.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Oh, believe me, I'm not trying to achieve any change of opinion in my good friend pizzashill here.
1 rationalhuckleberry 2018-04-30
For the sake of argument though.
Europe has a voter ID system that’s meant to ensure elections are fair. The US has a bit of a jungle system where we go, “well thank god the dead don’t vote, amirite Chicago?”
So what is wrong with voter ID if it’s done in a non-partisan manner?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Nothing. The problem isn't voter ID laws, it's the fact the type of laws the GOP pushes in the US are in no way intended to stop voter fraud (which is a non-existent) problem.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
How do they go about this racist conspiracy? I genuinely don’t get how this is supposed to keep nonwhites from voting. Even if you’re in the .0001 percent of the voting population who doesn’t have a driver’s license, it’s easy as fuck to get state-issued ID.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Holy shit dude. Serious question, why do you think the courts keep shooting them down?
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Because the 4th circuit is politically liberal, and liberals oppose voter ID because “muh racism”. We are going in circles here.
I’ll ask again, why do liberals hate voter ID laws so much? Is it racist for European countries with far more immigrants per capita than the US to impose voter ID laws on their citizens?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
And we're done here. I instantly dismiss anyone that things they can argue against federal/supreme court rulings by declaring stupid shit like this.
You might as well just say "I have no real argument."
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Saying that a court’s previous ruling history is not an indicator of reasoning behind hypothetical future rulings is asinine and you know it, pizzaboi. To say that requiring a $10 ID is “suppressing” voting is absurd on its face.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
THEY FUCKING CITED RACE IN THEIR DEFENSE.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
round and round and round the circular logic goes
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
What does this say?
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Something about Sunday voting, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand. I’m talking about IDs to prevent illegals from voting, you seem to be grasping for evidence that racist suppression occurs in general.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
I can't tell if you're actually this retarded or it's an act.
A) There is no voter fraud problem in this country, and that's been proven over and over again.
B) The voter ID laws do not even counter in-person voter fraud.
It doesn't matter if a black person has access to the same ID a white person does.
If you intentionally amend a bill and specifically cut out alternate forms of ID one group has, you are guilty of discrimination. the intent is clear. Intent matters, there's a reason you and your fellow crazies keep losing in federal court.
It isn't because the courts are biased against you, it's because you're using an imaginary problem (voter fraud) to outright suppress voters. You are breaking the law, that is why you keep losing in court.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Why do you care if states require ID to vote, then? It won’t affect anyone if you’re right.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Because the laws are literally trying to suppress voters, which has been proven in court multiple times.
The fucking courts keep shooting them down because they are not legal.
As for your San Francisco claim, no, they do not give illegals the right to vote.
And if you're about to link what I think you're about to link, I highly suggest you read the facts from a source other than Breitbart, because the things you believe are not true.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
If you're referring to voters who are doing so illegally, that's correct. Kinda the whole point, really.
The courts we're talking about are biased and are allowing that bias to taint their interpretation of these cases.
SF Chronicle disagrees.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Get the fuck out of here moron. I suspected you were a troll, but this just confirms it.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Right, scale doesn't matter, that's why it's unacceptable for districts to be closed one day per your previous tangential example?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Dude, you know what you did here. The idea that letting people vote in school elections they pay taxes for is somehow "letting illegals vote" is absurd.
Nobody even votes in school elections. Nobody cares about them, they aren't relevant.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
Since they're not residing legally in the US, and they are voting, that is literally exactly what it is.
Look, you can bash the facts all you want, I gave you incontrovertible proof of local-government-sanctioned illegal voting.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Yeah, you aren't fooling anyone.
1 Coats_Unbuttoned 2018-04-30
сука, он на меня, Борис.
1 IFuckedZoeQuinn 2018-04-30
Why do you think that black people are incapable of getting a $10 ID?
1 redditisgay6969 2018-04-30
most states waive the fee if you’re low income. also most states will fucking MAIL your ID to your doorstep.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
I'd love to suppress illegal voters, inb4 your million links to MSM articles claiming illegals don't vote....
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
By million links to MSM, do you mean credible studies on the subject?
Or how about the illegal voting council George Bush set up that found less than 80 in a 6 year time period?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Credible/MSM pick one.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Gonna have to just dismiss you here. When someone convinces themselves that any research that says they're wrong isn't credible, you might as well try to teach a rodent math.
You just aren't intellectually capable of understanding why you're wrong, so I'm not going to waste my time.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Oh boy new, "I can't sway you so I'm better than you and I'll ignore you" pizza pasta.
1 PM_ME_UR_SUSPICIONS 2018-04-30
Squeak squeak
1 newcomer_ts 2018-04-30
That's like saying having a license does nothing to prevent drunk driving.
Get rid of traffic lights while you're at it.
Jesus... some poeple are really born without common sense gene.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
I guess the supreme court has no common sense, and the federal courts don't.
Of course, it could be that you're just an idiot.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-04-30
Name 1st world country where a person can vote without ID.
Just one!
And save your insults... that does not work.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
The problem isn't voter ID laws, it's the type of voter ID laws republicans attempt to put in place.
They are very clearly interested in voter suppression.
Not only because there is no voter fraud problem in this country so they're coming up with solutions to problems that do not exist, but because they often try to cut early voting and target specific demographics.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-04-30
That wasn't my question.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
It did, you just aren't very smart. Trying to compare the voter ID laws from other countries, ones that aren't dealing with hyper-racist proto-fascists is disingenuous.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-04-30
You just did that, unironically.
Kepp yourself safe anbd get the fuck out of /r/drama
You are a fucking disgrace.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Lmao, you think Euros aren't racist? Good God you're so American and deluded it hurts.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
There's a difference between hyper-racist proto-fascism and just racist.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Using lot's of words doesn't make you seem intelligent, it makes you seem narcissistic.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
I mean, you base your entire worldview on dismissing any and all expert opinion or research that says you're wrong.
I'd argue you're a narcissist.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Your dissonance is frankly amazing. You trust the same experts that put Hilldawg on a cover as "madam president" and manipulated polls for months to try to manipulate the masses. These same "experts" are scrambling to take the narrative back over and useful idiots like you are making it worse for them acting like shit doesn't stink.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
The polls were literally within margin of error. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you just aren't a smart person.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Who's margin of error? Jesus the gymnastics you go through to defend propagandists is deeply disturbing.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Uh, in relation to how the vote unfolded. The polls had Clinton winning the vote by about 2-3%, she won the popular vote by 2%.
Or take this article on 538 that pointed this fact out:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Unironically using 538 as a source for anything after that clusterfuck of an election. Jesus you're beyond deluded, you are Clinton Cult Status.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Can you point out what in that 538 article is factually incorrect?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Yes, their existence in media after their massive fuck up during the election.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
So that's a no?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
For cult members.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
I'll give you one more reply.
Please copy paste a single thing from that article that is factually incorrect.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
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1 istural 2018-04-30
You aren’t answering the question though pizza,
If the U.S had a law saying people had to have some sort of Id that proved they were aU.S citizen to vote, why would that create voter suppression?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
The question was answered multiple times, if you're looking for more information, feel free to google it.
Many studies done on the subject.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
You didn't answer him fuck nutz.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
I explained in detail why his question was dumb.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
It's dumb because it exposes that countries with 1000s of years of history use a system we could be using as well, but the DEMs have a strangle hold on the race card and have been using it unabashedly to protect their "voters".
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
So those federal court rulings that prove voter suppression, what are those?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
DEM appointed Judges, or neocons, protecting the status quo. Everybody know the circuit courts are for calling in political favors, shit look at the travel ban charade.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
So why did the GOP argue in court that race was their motivation?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Why does that one court case in one state count for the whole nation?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
The supreme court has also ruled against them.
Why did that happen?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Ruled against who? What are you referencing?
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Yeah I don't read swill. Following a dead newspaper that shilled as hard as they could for Clinton. I long for the days when everyone sees the MSM for the bullshit it is, and start developing their own opinions instead of ones they're told to think.
Fox News is equally guilty, I'm not on a side here. It's just amazing so many people still reference news sources like we don't know they're all literally working hand in hand with both parties.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Ok, this is now argument #2 I'm going to dismiss you in.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-04-30
Oh a count!
1 redditisgay6969 2018-04-30
ah yes the federal rulings that are infallible. like the federal rulings re: slavery. or allowing slaves into kansas. or segregation. or not allowing women to vote.
good ole infallible federal rulings!
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
This is insane. conservatives have unironically convinced themselves their mental illness is superior to federal court rulings and anytime they're confronted with the fact they lose in court they can just bring up slavery.
This country is like the Alabama of the western world.
1 redditisgay6969 2018-04-30
imagine being so retarded you think asking for an ID is the same level of disenfranchisement as land requirements, spelling tests, and distance restrictions.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Imagine thinking politicians requesting racial voting patterns and then amending a bill in a specific way as to suppress as many non-white voters as possible and then literally going into court and admitting it was racially motivated is not racial voter suppression.
1 redditisgay6969 2018-04-30
having proof of identity to vote in state and federal elections that have an impact on the citizenry is not racist. dmvs will mail ids if you can’t come to the dmv and will waive the fee if you’re low income.
where is the racism.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Absolutely unreal.
Here's a series questions.
A) Did they request racial voting patterns, and if so, why?
B) Did they amend a bill to target certain demographics.
C) Did they slash early voting and literally declare it was because of race?
1 redditisgay6969 2018-04-30
asking for an ID is not racist.
1 pizzashill 2018-04-30
Gonna answer the questions?
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1 boyoyoyoyong 2018-04-30
If you do not have the mental faculties to get an id then you should not be voting anyway
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