This is a nice post and all, but I'm guessing that the only reason anyone is even arguing about this because these people believe 3D is superior to 2D.
You gotta remember this whenever you think a vegan or pro-lifer is acting like an ass: they truly believe that society should extend a fetus or a tilapia equal protection that it would to a developed human, and that killing them is murder. Being permanently outraged is the logical conclusion of their lifestyles.
Yes, plenty of vegans think fish should not be in my stomach because they are as precious as human life. Fortunately for me, I believe murdering and eating human children is permissible, so they have no ground to stand on with me.
A fish doesn't have to be as precious as a human being to deserve not to be killed. In a trolley problem involving a fish and a human, no vegan is going to save the fish.
Nobody except Ingrid Newkirk, who literally founded the highest-profile vegan organization in the world:
Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.
She said that in an interview with Vogue in the 1980s. How else should I interpret that. I copypasted this, verbatim, from her Wikiquote article. How else should I interpret that?
Here's the definition of veganism from the Vegan Society, who coined the term.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose."
I would also point out that Ingrid is a confessed provocateur, but of course she may really think that. And there are probably a few other crazies somewhere that think that way. So yes, "no one" is too strong we're being strict. On the other hand your statement is vastly inaccurate. I haven't met anyone putting forth that view/don't really see it being put forward, and I've spent a good amount of time in the vegan community. Veganism is just a philosophy of nonviolence towards animals. Practically, it's "don't hurt animals". That's it. It doesn't require or generally entail equivocation.
Do your part to keep our community healthy by blowing everything out of proportion and making literally everything as dramatic as possible.
That said, I stand by my general implications about the /r/vegan mindset. There are clearly a lot of people there who truly think fish are capable of being "murdered," which is how pro-life people see abortion. Members of both groups, if they take their views to their logical conclusions, will feel like they're inhabiting a world of murderers where murder is completely legal.
Omni isn't derogatory. It's just a way to identify those who eat a diet of both plant and dead animals. It's less stress on our malnourished fingers to type omni than it is to type 'person who eats meat'.
I don't get it. Reasonable explanation of things that don't fit your narrative makes you unable to respond? Maybe you should reconsider your stance on the issue if your stance is so shaky you can't even defend yourself :)
You mentioned the fact that the term for meat eaters in /r/vegan is 'omnis'. Obviously, this wasn't done for no reason. I was just explaining to you why we use the term omni and you replied with 'Lol'. I would rather be labelled 'crazy' than be complicit in animal abuse and the destruction of the environment. It's also not about not accepting that others eat meat. It's about being against needless slaughter, which in a first world country is every time. Nobody from /r/vegan is getting a plane ticket to indigenous tribes and calling everyone there a filthy bloodmouth, that's not what it's about.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-05-05
This is a nice post and all, but I'm guessing that the only reason anyone is even arguing about this because these people believe 3D is superior to 2D.
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1 DrDougberger 2018-05-05
Lol, they call us omni's and think their obsessive screeching in other subs will convert people to vegan
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-05-05
Honestly, it might convert some people.
You gotta remember this whenever you think a vegan or pro-lifer is acting like an ass: they truly believe that society should extend a fetus or a tilapia equal protection that it would to a developed human, and that killing them is murder. Being permanently outraged is the logical conclusion of their lifestyles.
1 Soupchild 2018-05-05
Holy fucking strawman, doot. No, no one believes that.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-05
Yes, plenty of vegans think fish should not be in my stomach because they are as precious as human life. Fortunately for me, I believe murdering and eating human children is permissible, so they have no ground to stand on with me.
1 DismalBore 2018-05-05
A fish doesn't have to be as precious as a human being to deserve not to be killed. In a trolley problem involving a fish and a human, no vegan is going to save the fish.
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-05-05
Nobody except Ingrid Newkirk, who literally founded the highest-profile vegan organization in the world:
She said that in an interview with Vogue in the 1980s. How else should I interpret that. I copypasted this, verbatim, from her Wikiquote article. How else should I interpret that?
1 Soupchild 2018-05-05
Here's the definition of veganism from the Vegan Society, who coined the term.
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose."
I would also point out that Ingrid is a confessed provocateur, but of course she may really think that. And there are probably a few other crazies somewhere that think that way. So yes, "no one" is too strong we're being strict. On the other hand your statement is vastly inaccurate. I haven't met anyone putting forth that view/don't really see it being put forward, and I've spent a good amount of time in the vegan community. Veganism is just a philosophy of nonviolence towards animals. Practically, it's "don't hurt animals". That's it. It doesn't require or generally entail equivocation.
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-05-05
I refer you to the sidebar:
That said, I stand by my general implications about the /r/vegan mindset. There are clearly a lot of people there who truly think fish are capable of being "murdered," which is how pro-life people see abortion. Members of both groups, if they take their views to their logical conclusions, will feel like they're inhabiting a world of murderers where murder is completely legal.
TLDR, logical consistency will ruin your day.
1 nomad1c 2018-05-05
imagine needing a support sub for your diet 🤣
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
You had better have a good imagination, considering no such subreddit exists.
1 nomad1c 2018-05-05
no brigading soyboy
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
Not brigading nibba i found this thread on my own i'm im updooting
1 nomad1c 2018-05-05
U LIE
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
not tru, brigading isn't vegan >:(
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
Omni isn't derogatory. It's just a way to identify those who eat a diet of both plant and dead animals. It's less stress on our malnourished fingers to type omni than it is to type 'person who eats meat'.
1 DrDougberger 2018-05-05
Lol
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
I don't get it. Reasonable explanation of things that don't fit your narrative makes you unable to respond? Maybe you should reconsider your stance on the issue if your stance is so shaky you can't even defend yourself :)
1 DrDougberger 2018-05-05
Defend what? You're a crazy vegan that can't accept others eat meat. At least your sub gives us hilarious material
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
You mentioned the fact that the term for meat eaters in /r/vegan is 'omnis'. Obviously, this wasn't done for no reason. I was just explaining to you why we use the term omni and you replied with 'Lol'. I would rather be labelled 'crazy' than be complicit in animal abuse and the destruction of the environment. It's also not about not accepting that others eat meat. It's about being against needless slaughter, which in a first world country is every time. Nobody from /r/vegan is getting a plane ticket to indigenous tribes and calling everyone there a filthy bloodmouth, that's not what it's about.
1 DrDougberger 2018-05-05
Well have fun with your crusade, cause we aren't getting off the steak train
1 JacoReadIt 2018-05-05
Deus Vult!
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-05-05
I'll eat a chicken to that
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-05-05
vegans are insufferable.
1 saltedpecker 2018-05-05
this attitude is insufferable.
1 gaynazifurry4bernie 2018-05-05
I wish rabbit and horse meat were more available in my area :(
1 InferiorShortage 2018-05-05
Horse meat isn't that good tbh.
1 gaynazifurry4bernie 2018-05-05
I really enjoyed the horse fillets I had in Italy but everyone has different tastes and that is A-ok. God, now I really want some fried rabbit.
1 InferiorShortage 2018-05-05
Fried? I've only had it in stew form. Goes great with some fries. Plums if you're into that.
1 gaynazifurry4bernie 2018-05-05
Yeah, like fried chicken.
1 nomad1c 2018-05-05
nah horse steak is like beef but even more tender
1 Bhosadchod69 2018-05-05
vegans have a point but goddamm they're insufferable
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-05
No.
1 saltedpecker 2018-05-05
Yes.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-05
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1 saltedpecker 2018-05-05
You're still wrong but now in gif form
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-05
Uh uh
1 TayTaysMayoGussy 2018-05-05
Don't kid yourself /u/-STEME-, if a cow ever got the chance he'd eat you and everyone you cared about!
1 -STEME- 2018-05-05
I'd roll over and let him do it, too.