Horseshoe is a flawed model in many cases - with tradcon and feminist sex- views, it's more of a venn diagram: both share views about "protecting the woman from exploiters and herself", but with tradcons it's merely one component of the ideology (protection applies to safety as well as morality and chastity, men's morality (and morale!) is often as significant an issue, and both practical and moral effects on society play an equally large role) and tied to conceptions about gender roles or female submission - feminists focus on the female well-being (sometimes mixed with behavior ideals that resemble the tradcons) and tie it to the idea of female emancipation, independence, empowerment, equality or superiority.
But the primal instincts both appeal to are mostly are mostly the same or closely related.
Young women look at the same porn from a different angle. Regardless of your own views of porn being rape or whatnot, young women look and compare. The girl in the video is gagging until she is about to vomit. The girl in the video is super skinny. The girl in the video has fake breasts. The girl in the video likes degradation during sex....therefore I (the girl viewing) should be like the girls in the videos. I'm not saying that kinky sex in a consensual established relationship is wrong, but that isn't what we are talking about here.
Sounds like young women should look at more porn, actually. (Except for the fake breasts part, those are gross.)
TIL the feeling of inadequacy from watching porn only affects young girls. Men in porn are portrayed as unattractive, small-dicked, socially awkward and impotent.
What is it with these anti porn people and the way they always keep focusing on the nastiest stuff and the worst viewing habits, or keep insisting that porn viewing always ends up drawing one to those abysses?
It is the insane availability that is such a problem. Being pro first amendment and against government censorship doesn't mean I like this problem. For boys and men, each click of the mouse to a new video or another orgasm provides a little dopamine reward. The hand around the penis while watching all the porn becomes the substitute for a vagina...or a mouth. Kids grow up with the idea that every click and every hard yank is sex. A real woman who doesn't like reverse pile driver isn't sex anymore.
Why not? Is a romantic vanilla porn video then also "not sex"? Why assume the viewer is no longer interested in that after seeing all the vomitgag stuff - one would think it becomes particularly nice and appealing against such a contrast? (And yes it does - porn taste is a pendulum not a one way slippery slope, at least most of the time.)
Even a woman with some kinks isn't sex anymore.
See above, except with even more lmao.
A guy can't click away a girl who is on top of him for a different girl or a different scene.
Well he can rapidly switch between several during a group session, if he finds fitting ones.
But why does the poster assume that's how everyone watches porn, even though many videos actually invite one to watch the whole thing continuously and let it progress and develop?
And does the ability to rapidly switch between movie scenes or music videos destroy one's ability to have a good time in a theater or concert, too?
The girl's vagina will never grip as hard and fast as a hand. He knows this intellectually, but his brain thinks of sex as something else.
Most wanking isn't jackhammer fast or even fast to begin with, but if he really prefers a hand so much there's such a thing as hj.
Young women look at the same porn from a different angle. Regardless of your own views of porn being rape or whatnot, young women look and compare. The girl in the video is gagging until she is about to vomit. The girl in the video is super skinny. The girl in the video has fake breasts. The girl in the video likes degradation during sex....therefore I (the girl viewing) should be like the girls in the videos. I'm not saying that kinky sex in a consensual established relationship is wrong, but that isn't what we are talking about here.
"I'm not saying that consensual BDSM is wrong, but I also understand if you think all sex is rape."
K, well we've got a spectrum here - a healthy spectrum of varying opinions, it's cool.
The girl in the video is gagging until she is about to vomit. The girl in the video is super skinny. The girl in the video has fake breasts. The girl in the video likes degradation during sex....therefore I (the girl viewing) should be like the girls in the videos.
Again with the vomit gagging, is it really this popular? And most quality/average porn has ideal body shapes and no "super skinny" or fake bobs.
Either way, there are simple ways to counteract distorted fantasy fiction images with reality - although that's kinda part of what that article is about anyway. But people like u/coralstinks seem to be a bit confused about what their goal here is:
Being pro first amendment and against government censorship doesn't mean I like this problem.
My reading comprehension may be a bit off with your comments. Are you anti porn, pro porn, or more nuanced. If you feel that I am missing some bigger issue, please let me know. I love to learn.
Pro-porn. My view is that the negative effects on the minds that you're talking about, should (and can) be counteracted culturally.
Discussed this at some length here in the GC thread - with someone who definitely seemed too emotionally riled up to display any reading comprehension at all lol.
That exchange is also what got me banned from GC, considering it's the only thing I've posted in that sub (in a long time at least). Lol.
Thanks. I think the cat is out of the bag on the type of porn I was talking about. I only hope that I can talk to my own children about the issues without being negative and damaging as well. Although they are too young for it, I hope they have good sex lives and good relationships as adults.
In any event, that was not exactly vanilla porn that the guy was watching and certainly not an act done without discussion, trust, consent, and the ability to fucking read people.
All of which I completely agreed with in that comment chain.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-05-05
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1 TherapyFortheRapy 2018-05-05
No place on earth exemplifies both the realities of, and limitations to, horseshoe theory quite like /r/drama.
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
Horseshoe is a flawed model in many cases - with tradcon and feminist sex- views, it's more of a venn diagram: both share views about "protecting the woman from exploiters and herself", but with tradcons it's merely one component of the ideology (protection applies to safety as well as morality and chastity, men's morality (and morale!) is often as significant an issue, and both practical and moral effects on society play an equally large role) and tied to conceptions about gender roles or female submission - feminists focus on the female well-being (sometimes mixed with behavior ideals that resemble the tradcons) and tie it to the idea of female emancipation, independence, empowerment, equality or superiority.
But the primal instincts both appeal to are mostly are mostly the same or closely related.
1 agenderphobe 2018-05-05
There are lots of reasons not to use (((pornography))).
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
Saw a great one recently where an evil looking Jewish stepmom seduces her white teen daughter, pretty cool.
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
And how things should be!
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-05-05
Sounds like young women should look at more porn, actually. (Except for the fake breasts part, those are gross.)
1 TinyJibble 2018-05-05
How much you gotta look at to lose a dimension?
1 jaredschaffer27 2018-05-05
TIL the feeling of inadequacy from watching porn only affects young girls. Men in porn are portrayed as unattractive, small-dicked, socially awkward and impotent.
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-05-05
sounds like young guys need to watch more JAV, lots of unattractive, chubby, average endowed guys in those.
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
What is it with these anti porn people and the way they always keep focusing on the nastiest stuff and the worst viewing habits, or keep insisting that porn viewing always ends up drawing one to those abysses?
Why not? Is a romantic vanilla porn video then also "not sex"? Why assume the viewer is no longer interested in that after seeing all the vomitgag stuff - one would think it becomes particularly nice and appealing against such a contrast? (And yes it does - porn taste is a pendulum not a one way slippery slope, at least most of the time.)
See above, except with even more lmao.
Well he can rapidly switch between several during a group session, if he finds fitting ones.
But why does the poster assume that's how everyone watches porn, even though many videos actually invite one to watch the whole thing continuously and let it progress and develop?
And does the ability to rapidly switch between movie scenes or music videos destroy one's ability to have a good time in a theater or concert, too?
Most wanking isn't jackhammer fast or even fast to begin with, but if he really prefers a hand so much there's such a thing as hj.
"I'm not saying that consensual BDSM is wrong, but I also understand if you think all sex is rape."
K, well we've got a spectrum here - a healthy spectrum of varying opinions, it's cool.
Again with the vomit gagging, is it really this popular? And most quality/average porn has ideal body shapes and no "super skinny" or fake bobs.
Either way, there are simple ways to counteract distorted fantasy fiction images with reality - although that's kinda part of what that article is about anyway. But people like u/coralstinks seem to be a bit confused about what their goal here is:
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-05-05
Tbf this is gendercritical so by superkinny they literally mean non-obese ...
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
That's very likely, yes.
1 coralstinks 2018-05-05
My reading comprehension may be a bit off with your comments. Are you anti porn, pro porn, or more nuanced. If you feel that I am missing some bigger issue, please let me know. I love to learn.
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
Pro-porn. My view is that the negative effects on the minds that you're talking about, should (and can) be counteracted culturally.
Discussed this at some length here in the GC thread - with someone who definitely seemed too emotionally riled up to display any reading comprehension at all lol.
That exchange is also what got me banned from GC, considering it's the only thing I've posted in that sub (in a long time at least). Lol.
1 coralstinks 2018-05-05
Thanks. I think the cat is out of the bag on the type of porn I was talking about. I only hope that I can talk to my own children about the issues without being negative and damaging as well. Although they are too young for it, I hope they have good sex lives and good relationships as adults.
1 GaymasterNacelle 2018-05-05
As I said, got banned from GC lol:
All of which I completely agreed with in that comment chain.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-05
Jealousy is a hell of a drug, kids.
1 DistortedLines 2018-05-05
I swear GC reminds me of the conservative sheikhs and Imams I grew up around. Literally another side of the same coin.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-05-05
Plus they're full of incels. Unlike the sheikhs who pound sweet young haram bussy inside mosques 👳🏻♂️🤲