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 Bill Gates is not a workhorse, he's an owner and a clever investor.

Jesus Christ, imagine not believing Bill Gates isn't a workhorse. His work ethic was insane from pretty much the minute he was born and he's beyond brilliant. It's not like he inherited some giant company, he did all the initial work.

Bill gates had access to highly efficient computers (in his university) when no one else did, he was born to a rich highly educated family, etc etc... I'm not saying he didn't work hard, but many people who do don't get shit for it.

Yeah he doesn't do shit honestly. He was born into the right situation. You should probably get rid of that double negative though.

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Nobody is using Marx's shit to establish socialism you idiot. We know times have changed, hell he didn't even know there would be a middle class. That doesn't make our shit invalid. That's like saying because some dumb guy likes capitalism your argument for it is wrong.

Nobody is using Marx's shit to establish socialism you idiot.

that's like saying because some dumb guy likes capitalism your argument for it is wrong

Are you calling Marx dumb?

More or less

Lol

Socialists calling the founding ideologist of their ideals moronic.

What a time to be alive

Calling Marx the Father of socialism means you don't know shit about history. There were socialist societies thousands of years beforw him.

Not really. The boss is likely smarter and harder working than those under him/her

/u/donkeveryflop it's not about working smarter or harder. It's about how well he can manage his company. It takes intelligence but it also takes leadership skills that are taught to them. You're right about everything else.

wonder how long it runs until they run out of grain to process.

or it gets looted by the workers.

It's easy to run a working machine. But to service that machine when it breaks?

/u/donkeveryflop

whats ol billy betabux gonna do without the tens of thousands of software engineers he employs?

Pretty sure when he dropped out of college he didn’t have thousands of software engineers working for him. That’s the difference between someone that smart and that driven and the average person. It takes a special person to be able to do what he did. There’s a reason why he made it to the top. The average person doesn’t have his intelligence or his work ethic.

i thought you were saying that his employees need him more than he needs them. they can just go work for any of the other thousands of tech companies in america. he needs to attract/keep talent

as smart as the dude is, it takes more than one super smart guy to run a successful company

You don't know anything about collective monopolies do you?

You gonna explain or...

The vast majority of Bill Gates income comes from rent as a product of owning Microsoft, not income provided to him as a reward for his talents. Actually he doesn't do anything but subsist off of rent these days.

You're just jealous that every single employee at microsoft is more successful and talented than you.

Even the janitor?

Especially.

That went right over your head didn't it?

Ditto.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Microsoft-Janitor-Hourly-Pay-E1651_D_KO10,17.htm

Looks well above average for janitorial positions.

Yeah

Venezuela is not real socialism!

Look at this cereal box! Socialism is great!

Try GULAG-Os, now with almost as much nutritional value as the box they come in!

for tankies anything can be socialist if you just want it hard enough

Almost everyone busts their ass. Work ethic isn't unusual or special. The difference between have and have-nots is almost entirely determined by where the starting line is and whether or not you're lucky enough to have someone give you a boost.

This is what socialists actually believe.

Work hard enough and grain will appear.

A dirt poor worker in some factory working himself to death will never make more than the corporate boss who sits around with his inherited money doing nothing. Stop lying to yourself. You capitalists are so naive...

No shit, but that doesn't mean everyone's outcome in life is mostly or even heavily determined by their starting point. It's obviously a mix of both, but in the US, nothing is stopping you but yourself from striking it rich. Capital and investment are pretty easy to come by and the internet makes starting businesses or new ideas easier than ever. I did it at 24 after pitching investors and never looked back.

Most people work hard. You have no examples or logical patterns or evidence to say anything. You are just repeating your thesis. You obviously are a victim of the survivor bias too.

Most people work hard. You have no examples or logical patterns or evidence to say anything. You are just repeating your thesis.

Lol the absolute irony of a socialist saying this

You are just proving my point lol...

I'm mocking you for demanding evidence while adhering to an ideology whose praxis has shunned all econometric accountability.

Still proving my point.. You have no data to suggest that...

the corporate boss who sits around with his inherited money doing nothing

This is a cartoonish view of the world. Management in the US is extremely stressful and cutthroat. The difference between a great and average CEO can mean billions for a company.

corporate boss who sits around with his inherited money doing nothing

Corporate managers work incredibly long hours. Its much more stressful and competative than an assembly line worker, and the difference between a good one and bad one means millions/billions more for the company.

It's more of the unfortunate fact that while hard work does not mean getting rich, getting rich* and staying so means hard work. Whether it be through legitimate leadership/management or illegitimate bribery and crime. This applies to both capitalist and socialist societies.

Fuck off

The very state of socialist rhetoric

No I meant as in you are obviously trolling.

I'm not even the same guy big brain

Capitalists are naive? And yet communists don't believe the gulag archipelago

Nobody likes gulags. Nobody likes stalin. Stalin ruined the ussr. The gulags were a product of dictatorship. And no, communism being instable was not the reason a dictator like Stalin could come into power. It was because the government and by extention country was attacked politically on all sides.

Nobody likes stalin.

The modern socialist movement speaks fairly highly of him, and denounces all criticism of him as counter-revolutionary.

The gulags were a product of dictatorship

And filled entirely with people who were accused of crimes against communism.

communism being instable was not the reason a dictator like Stalin could come into power

No, a ruler like Stalin could come into power because Lenin had already created repressive mechanisms Stalin could make use.

It was because the government and by extention country was attacked politically on all sides.

Funny how every attempt at communism seems to blame its inevitable failure on "attacks from outside forces" which usually amounts to "Uh yeah... we won't accept your currency because your price controls don't reflect its true value, so no goods for you"

But I'm sure this was all sufficient reason for Stalin to play musical chairs with murderous henchmen who he then had murdered and replaced with other murderers. And I don't know about you, but when someone criticizes capitalism, I rape and murder young women then bury them in my front yard, Beria style.

Yeah, Russia sure was attacked on all sides by their dozen imperial puppets and buffer states

I did not mean physucally. Geography has nothing to do with this. Fuck off

I didn't mean attacked physically doofus.

Wrong, I love gulags, and as a (((radical centrism))) I believe all extremists should be tossed into one by helicopter.

Didn't you here no one every falls down ever. No one in the history of the universe has had a good start in life but found themselves unable to succeed in any measurable way. nope once you have money, you're always money. And as we all know celebrities never lose battles to depression in spite of the support around them....nope, never happens...

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(I hope you can hear my eyeballs rolling round their sockets as you read this)

And this is the way to go for Maduro. They need to nationalize as much as possible from the economy. This way they would be less exposed to that exchange rate mechanism.

Sweet baby Milton Friedman.

they'll poof the inflation away

dayyym capitalism RESIGNED 😂😂😂😂

Now if only they had some food to put into it

Wow, you added tons to this conversation.

thanks

Shut the up

How hard can producing cornflakes be? I can them at home. As long as they have the machinery they should alright.

Jesus fucking Christ.

They don’t even understand what the core problem is.

hey there's no toilet paper in stores, but at least there are people who can affort some cereal for a hyperinflated price!

I thought that Venezuela wasn't "real socialism", why would /r/socialism care about a state capitalist country?