(((My))) research suggests that across Europe and North America, centrists are the least supportive of democracy, the least committed to its institutions and the most supportive of authoritarianism.
Of course it is.
(((They))) have no use of centrism.
NY Times is now ahead of Pravda when it comes to ideological inculcation of collectivist ideas.
to be a centrist is to implicitly acknowledge that you have no interest in changing the status quo in any meaningful way.
given that the status quo is absurdly far right, centrists must either embrace right wing politics or have no problem with them
Yo what the fuck is this guy living at the same planet as I am? Jesus Christ, how these people don't crumble in tears every morning when they wake up and are shell shocked because of dlunpfie? Talk about blowing out of proportion
> That's why much of political theory now is based on a political quadrant instead of a spectrum, with x-axis ranging from 'left' to 'right' and y-axis ranging from 'libertarian' to 'authoritarian'
Lumping people into two groups just does not work! There. 4 outta do it. all fixed, now I am master of politiks
NYT editorial philosophy conveys the true meaning of these claims in the context of the liberal elite:
Pig-skinned soyboy believes that the moderate position is all white people chained to the meat curtains of a post-op trans lesbian African albino because anything less is inequality in the extreme
Therefore people who want a stable government, gainful employment, good relationships with their loved ones are the true extremists
Yep, I seen't it! But I'm not a sociologist and can't parse that shit. This is why peer review and reputable journals are a thing. In the physical sciences at least, you'd be a joke after contacting the media, even a letter to the editor, before having your results peer reviewed. I guess this is just how the psuedo- err I mean social-sciences roll?
'The key independent variable is the respondent's left - right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on a spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right).' Ok and how many idiot mouth breathers who don't give a fuck about democracy just go, uhh.. 5! This does not represent engaged, True Radical Centrism in the slightest!
lol u mad
a) it's literally stated in the article that orientation is self-selected, so that you think this is a gotcha indicates you didnt even read the piece before you got mad at it
b) if it wasnt self-selected, youd dismiss anything that conflicted with your priors as "researcher bias"
c) "centrists" are, almost entirely, people who dont give a fuck about politics, sorry to burst your bubble. turns out if you think you align with whatever the dominant idrology has designated as "moderate" you tend to be pretty indifferent to how that ideology is expressed, believe it or not.
a) it's literally stated in the article that orientation is self-selected, so that you think this is a gotcha indicates you didnt even read the piece before you got mad at it
No, I just think it's a shitty analytic of actual centrists because it implicitly includes people who consider themselves apolitic and that should have been controlled for
b) if it wasnt self-selected, youd dismiss anything that conflicted with your priors as "researcher bias"
Putting words into my mouth
c) "centrists" are, almost entirely, people who dont give a fuck about politics, sorry to burst your bubble. turns out if you think you align with whatever the dominant idrology has designated as "moderate" you tend to be pretty indifferent to how that ideology is expressed, believe it or not.
No, not at all. You're just wildly speculating here. Personally, I find both extremes in the current political climate to be equally disgusting so I chose to be skeptical of both, which for me has included toning social media way down, ignoring all pundits and focusing on news reports I deem impartial (happy to discuss) to inform my opinions. Apart from the sad realization both sides are just as fucked, I find ignorance of identity politics and the ideology that goes with it has made my life a much better place.
b) if it wasnt self-selected, youd dismiss anything that conflicted with your priors as "researcher bias"
Putting words into my mouth
lol suuuuure i am. you would be so massively distraught if a study came out that defined "centrism" exactly the way you do and then said that [people you dont like] fail to match those characteristics. you would absolutely be picking apart the methodology if it was reported on in the new york times.
look, im not wildly spectualting. im stating the obvious (but deeply discomforting to people as intellectually shallow as you) truth that what is considered "both extremes" is determined by what the dominant ideology thinks is convenient to its continued dominance. you havent actually chosen any sort of coherent political position (because none, left or right, are possible without a radical rejection of the current sociopolitical order), youve just bought into a "rational, both sides" brand that allows you to feel like youre making a statement when in fact youre saying nothing. actually believing that "both sides are just as fucked" means you have failed to even understand the terms of the "debate," much less developed a meaningful response to it. the fact that you are desperately no-true-scotsman'ing this refutation of the illusory absolution "centrism" provides is proof of it. if you were a truly radical centrist you would recognize the only way to guarantee your ascendancy is with a glorious centrist dictatorship, analogous to those you despise.
You're either with us or against us, the enemy of my friend is my friend. Got it, you're an idealogue.
Sorry, I didn't buy into that crit theory gibberish you're gibbering about power struggles and oh, this side is more oppressed so rejecting our side and all of its terms makes you literal Hitler! I honestly don't think most people that cry oppression in the west are oppressed. Further, I grew up liberal in the US but my folks spent half their lives ACTUALLY oppressed by people who called themselves communists. And tbh, I've grown disgusted with the far left for forgetting those evils at the same time the alt rite came up, so no offense but you can go fuck yourself with that Overton window bullshit, my lived experience tells me just fine what is truly the best balance.
's literally stated in the article that orientation is self-selected
I just think it's a shitty analytic of actual centrists
in the actual paper it is self selected but he introduced a control by asking respondants' opinions on immigration which is an issue that has been shown to reveal people's genuine opinions. That way he could be more sure that these centrists were actual centrists.
Well, for starters I wouldn't call it a paper until it's published but ok, I can see that as an effort. I'm not really convinced opposing immigration is good measure of political engagement and think more should be done to account for apolitical respondents, especially if this is going to be used to discuss politically engaged centrists. Tbh it kinda feels like a smear piece.
A lot of extremist groups are very supportive of direct democracy because it's a relatively easy way to get their policies passed. A lot of far-left movements have historically been pro-democracy until they came into power.
Some of the most striking data reflect respondents’ views of elections. Support for “free and fair” elections drops at the center for every single country in the sample.
Maybe I'm too tired or drunk, but this line comes right after a graph that seems to show the exact opposite in Germany.
The left-right is selfreported. And for many Germans, left is basically an equivalent for antiauthoritarian while right is an equivalent for authoritarian.
Basically, if you don't want a Kaiser or Führer you wouldn't call yourself a rightwinger in Germany.
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1 newcomer_ts 2018-05-24
Of course it is.
(((They))) have no use of centrism.
NY Times is now ahead of Pravda when it comes to ideological inculcation of collectivist ideas.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-05-24
Rood 😤
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-05-24
The greatest trick the (((devil))) ever pulled was convincing everyone else the bible was non-fiction.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-05-24
It's just old testament fanfic. The Torah is to Twilight as the Bible is to Fifty Shades of Grey
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-05-24
You gotta give them credit though, their sales strategy is amazing in its longevity.
1 cimarafa 2018-05-24
Our biggest failure is not extending the copyright on the OT.
1 postingshitwhynot 2018-05-24
Elon musk is trying to take back that word
1 newcomer_ts 2018-05-24
I just read what you meant.
I'm having a Newton/Leibnitz moment with Elon... lol
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
bonus: extreme gnashing of teeth in the r/politics thread. sorted by controversial, natch
1 KateUptonsCumback 2018-05-24
This is what I was looking for. Thank you 🙏 /u/westofthetracks
1 ason 2018-05-24
It may also be that many self-identified centrists don't have many actual beliefs. Most people aren't as plugged in as /r/politics.
Ohhhh Jesus.
1 wwaalleess 2018-05-24
Imagine having reasonable beliefs that don't exactly identify with your preferred political party 😂😂
1 aqouta 2018-05-24
Plugged into an electric chair hopefully.
1 ltedt 2018-05-24
Yo what the fuck is this guy living at the same planet as I am? Jesus Christ, how these people don't crumble in tears every morning when they wake up and are shell shocked because of dlunpfie? Talk about blowing out of proportion
1 -Mopsus- 2018-05-24
Dave Rubin told me that Mike Cernovich is the new center
1 Fletch71011 2018-05-24
Of fucking course the top comments think this is amazing and all centrists are actually alt right.
1 aqouta 2018-05-24
People who unironically use the phrase "Overton window" are so obnoxious. If the Overton window exists it's inarguably moved left over the years.
1 but-uh 2018-05-24
> That's why much of political theory now is based on a political quadrant instead of a spectrum, with x-axis ranging from 'left' to 'right' and y-axis ranging from 'libertarian' to 'authoritarian'
Lumping people into two groups just does not work! There. 4 outta do it. all fixed, now I am master of politiks
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-24
NYT editorial philosophy conveys the true meaning of these claims in the context of the liberal elite:
Pig-skinned soyboy believes that the moderate position is all white people chained to the meat curtains of a post-op trans lesbian African albino because anything less is inequality in the extreme
Therefore people who want a stable government, gainful employment, good relationships with their loved ones are the true extremists
Don't forget smash that subscribe button
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
No shit, dude writes an op ed based on his apparently unpublished, unreviewed data. So very rigorous, nyt!
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
its right there, youre welcome to critique it hotshot
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
Yep, I seen't it! But I'm not a sociologist and can't parse that shit. This is why peer review and reputable journals are a thing. In the physical sciences at least, you'd be a joke after contacting the media, even a letter to the editor, before having your results peer reviewed. I guess this is just how the psuedo- err I mean social-sciences roll?
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
lol u mad
a) it's literally stated in the article that orientation is self-selected, so that you think this is a gotcha indicates you didnt even read the piece before you got mad at it
b) if it wasnt self-selected, youd dismiss anything that conflicted with your priors as "researcher bias"
c) "centrists" are, almost entirely, people who dont give a fuck about politics, sorry to burst your bubble. turns out if you think you align with whatever the dominant idrology has designated as "moderate" you tend to be pretty indifferent to how that ideology is expressed, believe it or not.
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
No, I just think it's a shitty analytic of actual centrists because it implicitly includes people who consider themselves apolitic and that should have been controlled for
Putting words into my mouth
No, not at all. You're just wildly speculating here. Personally, I find both extremes in the current political climate to be equally disgusting so I chose to be skeptical of both, which for me has included toning social media way down, ignoring all pundits and focusing on news reports I deem impartial (happy to discuss) to inform my opinions. Apart from the sad realization both sides are just as fucked, I find ignorance of identity politics and the ideology that goes with it has made my life a much better place.
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
lol suuuuure i am. you would be so massively distraught if a study came out that defined "centrism" exactly the way you do and then said that [people you dont like] fail to match those characteristics. you would absolutely be picking apart the methodology if it was reported on in the new york times.
look, im not wildly spectualting. im stating the obvious (but deeply discomforting to people as intellectually shallow as you) truth that what is considered "both extremes" is determined by what the dominant ideology thinks is convenient to its continued dominance. you havent actually chosen any sort of coherent political position (because none, left or right, are possible without a radical rejection of the current sociopolitical order), youve just bought into a "rational, both sides" brand that allows you to feel like youre making a statement when in fact youre saying nothing. actually believing that "both sides are just as fucked" means you have failed to even understand the terms of the "debate," much less developed a meaningful response to it. the fact that you are desperately no-true-scotsman'ing this refutation of the illusory absolution "centrism" provides is proof of it. if you were a truly radical centrist you would recognize the only way to guarantee your ascendancy is with a glorious centrist dictatorship, analogous to those you despise.
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
You're either with us or against us, the enemy of my friend is my friend. Got it, you're an idealogue.
Sorry, I didn't buy into that crit theory gibberish you're gibbering about power struggles and oh, this side is more oppressed so rejecting our side and all of its terms makes you literal Hitler! I honestly don't think most people that cry oppression in the west are oppressed. Further, I grew up liberal in the US but my folks spent half their lives ACTUALLY oppressed by people who called themselves communists. And tbh, I've grown disgusted with the far left for forgetting those evils at the same time the alt rite came up, so no offense but you can go fuck yourself with that Overton window bullshit, my lived experience tells me just fine what is truly the best balance.
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
lmfao you are so mad, im sorry speaking cogently flustered you this much
have a good life friend, i look forward to when your children adopt a rebellious ideology that they think is just as ""centrist"" as what yours is now
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
It's ok, at least I have the consolation of knowing my research is peer approved :)
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
whatever spook helps you sleep at night
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1 Standard12 2018-05-24
How are you this much of a fucking cry baby?
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
cuz im a faggot duh
1 tracertong322 2018-05-24
in the actual paper it is self selected but he introduced a control by asking respondants' opinions on immigration which is an issue that has been shown to reveal people's genuine opinions. That way he could be more sure that these centrists were actual centrists.
1 Danktron 2018-05-24
Well, for starters I wouldn't call it a paper until it's published but ok, I can see that as an effort. I'm not really convinced opposing immigration is good measure of political engagement and think more should be done to account for apolitical respondents, especially if this is going to be used to discuss politically engaged centrists. Tbh it kinda feels like a smear piece.
1 watermark02 2018-05-24
Editorial doesn't even mention mayos at all but mayos still manage to make it all about them and their immense victimhood. Typical.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-05-24
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1 watermark02 2018-05-24
Bet they have a nice bussy. :)
1 OnionBits 2018-05-24
Unite!
I am in the middle!
The middle does not choose sides;
I will not choose sides!
I will not choose the left or the right,
the black or the white
the red or the blue
I am in the middle!
I am in the RADICAL middle
(((they))) won't let you be in the middle
There is no place for the radical middle!
(((they))) want you to be polarized!
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1 KateUptonsCumback 2018-05-24
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1 Neon_needles 2018-05-24
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1 wwyzzerdd 2018-05-24
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1 mcslibbin 2018-05-24
oh cool a new york times article
1 DistortedLines 2018-05-24
Centrist self-defense militia when?
1 OscarGrey 2018-05-24
A fascist has worked out today. A Chapotard has posted a meme about it. Have you worked out today?
1 Ultrashitposter 2018-05-24
I actually have
1 blastiff 2018-05-24
Women and young people hate democracy, begin the genocide
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1 ason 2018-05-24
Ohhhh Jesus.
1 froibo 2018-05-24
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1 Nopepole 2018-05-24
Hot damn, that's retarded.
1 OscarGrey 2018-05-24
See, once you frame the last 40 years of politics and economy through a twisted far left lens, everything is the fault of moderates.
1 MarlaMaplesIsMyWaifu 2018-05-24
A lot of extremist groups are very supportive of direct democracy because it's a relatively easy way to get their policies passed. A lot of far-left movements have historically been pro-democracy until they came into power.
1 blastiff 2018-05-24
Democracy can be quite effective once you've murdered all those who oppose you.
1 MarlaMaplesIsMyWaifu 2018-05-24
Obviously it's impossible for far-left and far-right parties to participate in democracy.
1 Burnnoticelover 2018-05-24
It seems like millennial democrats are the neckbeards of politics.
“Since we’re such nice people, you owe us your vote, even if we straight up call you a threat to democracy.”
“You won’t vote for us because we called you a threat to democracy? You bitch, I knew you were a Nazi.”
You catch a lot more flies with honey than salt and soy.
1 sammybiscuits26 2018-05-24
Maybe I'm too tired or drunk, but this line comes right after a graph that seems to show the exact opposite in Germany.
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
yeah, germany generally seems abnormally right-authoritarian (HMMMMMMMMM), theyre an outlier on a number of stats.
1 Destirigon 2018-05-24
The left-right is selfreported. And for many Germans, left is basically an equivalent for antiauthoritarian while right is an equivalent for authoritarian.
Basically, if you don't want a Kaiser or Führer you wouldn't call yourself a rightwinger in Germany.
1 watermark02 2018-05-24
Hitler didn't come to power on the backs of the extreme right though, he came to power by eating away at the centrist parties.
1 freet0 2018-05-24
German right wing kinda scaring me on the strong leader question...
1 westofthetracks 2018-05-24
old habits die hard
1 Colonel_MusKappa_II 2018-05-24
Tiger
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1 GuillotinesNOW 2018-05-24
"We want to throw everyone who disagrees with us out of a helicopter and install a dictator."
"Well, at least you're not a centrist!"
1 Ultrashitposter 2018-05-24
Fascism it is then 🤔🤔🤔
1 dootwiththesickness 2018-05-24
Singaporeanism, unironically.
1 OscarGrey 2018-05-24
1 sharfpang 2018-05-24
What a great piece of news! What a discovery! A group left out in the cold by the pervasive political system is not very supportive by said system.
1 postingshitwhynot 2018-05-24
Knowing how I'll vote this election I agree
1 Ravensthrowit 2018-05-24
Huh, people who are entirely apethetic to most social/political issues tend to not really give a shit about politics. More at 11
OP, so glad you could grace us with not only an agenda post, but also a serious post. Bravo, really glad you stuck around
1 Destirigon 2018-05-24
> Ideology that can be described as "I don't have a strong opinion in either way" does not have a strong opinion
What mindblowing, utterly unexpected news. This is science at its finest.
1 Gtyyler 2018-05-24
Real Democracy is 50% democracy and 50% dickheads telling people what to do.
1 HORSECOCK_ENTHUSIAST 2018-05-24
really activates my almonds
1 throwawayact69 2018-05-24
Turns out, editorial sections of major news outlets are flaming hot garbage piles