Tankies vs. Nazi apologists in /r/militaryporn as users argue over which group raped more women

155  2018-06-03 by FTFallen

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Lol "quotes sources from known stalinist authors, denies holodomor as a genocide, wants to visit ussr". This penguin is just a pathetic tankie.

Niet.

You are a revisionist and proud of it. You are basically a weearaboo for Stalin.

Better than a Wehrboo, no?

No, equally pathetic, uneducated brasilian tankie. I wonder if you'd had the balls to deny holodomor irl, especially in EE?

Not denying it. Just saying it wasn't completely Stalin's fault.

I haven't denied the Holodomor once in the thread, you can check it.

(I'm not personally attacking you, so let's remain civil, shall we?)

Nah, honeybuns, you denied holodomor as a genocide multiple times in that thread. And calling you as pathetic as wehraboos is an insult to you? Good.

And btw, you can stop this at any moment by no longer answering comments. Cheers.

(I'm not personally attacking you, so let's remain civil, shall we?)

Is this what you're going to ask the political commissar as he's putting you on the train to the Gulag

let's remain civil, shall we?

Okay then, would you care to elaborate How the holmodor wasn't completely stalin's fault? I'm genuinely curious how the general secretary of the Soviet Union, the leader of the nation and the communist party, wasn't completely guilty of something he deliberately ordered.

Thank you for providing sources to your side of the argument. I'll be reading them when I get home, just out of respect of being "civil" in this discussion.

Two Curious questions:

1.) How do you feel about the well documented religious and ethnic persecution within the USSR?

The soviets murdered, deported, and persecuted a diverse group of ethnicities and religions.

The union of the militant atheists persecuted Christians, Jews, Muslims, even Siberian, Uralic, and central Asian tribal religions were suppressed.

The soviets deported Muslim Tartars from Crimea, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and the Volga region.

They persecuted the Cossacks.

They deported and persecuted Germans from the Baltic, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and the Volga region.

They deported hundreds of thousands of Chechens, Ingush, Koreans, Armenians, Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Finns, Latvians, Romanians, Kalymyks, Turks, Balkars, Greeks, Karachays, Qarapapaqs, Yaghnobis, Armenians, and Bulgarians.

What's your take on this historically accepted fact. Ones that have been formally and legally recognized as acts of genocide, similar to the holmodor's status in Europe.

2.) How do you feel about Wehrboos justifying the Holocaust with reports and responses stating the Schutzstaffel and the NSDAP didn't have resources to provide prisoners due to allied saturated bombing campaigns and how diseases killed off thousands upon thousands of prisoners?

Damn homeboy murdered the commie

/u/internetpenguin, it's been 2 hours, no answer to these questions. Tic tock

I'm sad, I genuinely wanted to hear his point of view. I think I may have committed murder by words. Hopefully he responds to the civil discussion he asked about.

Lol give him a fucking second to reply...you can't just get salty he's not replying after 30 minutes when you write something that big my guy

autism

Brazilians are the worst race of all

He links to a book by Douglas Tottle😠

Lol, even biggest anti socialist bullshit ever produced by (yes american authors) had less fake news amd fairy tales than anything written by Douglas Tottle.

Fun plan to the summer: Go to Ukraine and tell people that Stalin was a good boy that made an honest mistake in regards to the Holodomor, like how Maury does to the girl when the guy is not the father.

No your not. You're a tankie, a Stalinist wehrboo.

Holy shit lmao. Who the fuck realizes they are scum of the earth and responds with at least I am not amoeba for a comeback? You are shit.

Brazilian tankie, lol. Dude, you would get a tire necklace on day one of the revolution .

Haha because there are black people in Brazil right? Hilarious and v/ironic.

Wait, are there no black people in Brazil?

Not in communist Brazil.

The fuck are you saying nigga?

Where you think those big Brazilian booties come from?

Bundas!

It's a thing there too - they call it "micro-ondas" (apparently it translates to something to do with a microwave oven).

Google tells me a journalist called Tim Lopes suffered from it there. ):

i can't imagine hitler would be fond of the worryingly common nazi furries either

#SoTrue

почему не работаете товарищ?

+1

Dear drama: stop downvoting the lolcow.

Is there some watchdog for communists that scans reddit for any time something about tankies is posted and immediately brigades it? Lol

They don't have jobs...

Yeah it's called /r/CTH

BURN

Well there are bots which

Don't need to watch out for tankies they are open and proud about being retarded unlike closeted cuck nazi bois who are afraid to show the world their intellectual girth.

tards tarding it out

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I sitll can't believe he got away with that

That was a good bit of bantz for a republican.

Red Army was by far the worse group in WWII. No wonder Patton wanted to have a crack at them.

Fucking np link

Probably the Soviets I mean the Nazi's had higher standards than to rape Olga the potato farmer. The real answer though is the Japanese.

Olga the potato farmer.

https://i.imgur.com/aks7kxV.png

also reply to me on telegram, i have bad news :(

I did man what's up?

If they weren't interested in Olga, they would rape Olga's grandmother, look at Olga and be like "Haha hey I'm raping your grandmother!" It was all a good joke. Then they'd shoot Olga and her grandmother and be on their merry way after their moment of jest.

Just in case anyone is curious, and to bring more drama to this thread, that was way more the style of the Soviets.

Unlike the Soviets (who encouraged it), Germans had rules forbidding rape and routinely punished soldiers, even on the eastern front.

There is no evidence in the records that rape was used as a 'war strategy', that is, as a means used by the [German] military leadership to humiliate the enemy civilian population.

O. Bartov, "Hitler's Army", pg 268

I imagine it depends on the historian you cite.

Unlike the Soviets (who encouraged it), Germans had rules forbidding rape and routinely punished soldiers, even on the eastern front.

Look pretty much no army in WW2 had an official rape policy. Rape occurred in the orgy of celebration after victory when poorly trained and demoralized troops are let loose with total power over the conquered populace. If the officers and leadership enforced strict discipline, even at the risk of executing their own soldiers and causing grumbling or mutiny within their troops, it did not happen. If they turned a blind eye to it because they didn't want to bother, it did. Their willingness to enforce the laws that all had against rape depended on how human they found the enemy (shoot a German soldier for the sake of a Jew?!) and how shitty and poorly trained their troops were. The Soviets had garbage quality troops, and the Germans didn't view many of their enemies as human. The Germans enforced discipline in the West, they turned a blind eye in the east.

Here's the Wikipedia article on the subject, you can read the situations if you want, there seem to be quite a few historians who disagree with your assertion that the German officers are always good little boys who kept their dogs leashed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rapes

Rapes were allowed in practice by the German military (officially forbidden, however) in eastern and southeastern Europe, while northern and western countries were relatively spared.[79][80] In Occupied Denmark, which initially agreed to collaborate with Nazi Germany, rapes were not widespread, and German officials promised to punish them.[79] By contrast thousands of Soviet female nurses, doctors and field medics fell victim to rape when captured, and were often murdered afterwards.[18]

German soldiers used to brand the bodies of captured partisan women – and other women as well – with the words "Whore for Hitler's troops" and rape them.[81] Following their capture some German soldiers vividly bragged about committing rape and rape-homicide.[82] Susan Brownmiller argues that rape played a pivotal role in Nazi aim to conquer and destroy people they considered inferior, such as Jews, Russians, and Poles.[83] An extensive list of rapes committed by German soldiers was compiled in the so called "Molotov Note" in 1942. Brownmiller points out that Nazis used rape as a weapon of terror.[84]

Examples of mass rapes in Soviet Union committed by German soldiers include:

Smolensk: German command opened a brothel for officers in which hundreds of women and girls were driven by force, often by arms and hair.[85] Lviv: 32 women working in a garment factory were raped and murdered by German soldiers, in a public park. A priest trying to stop the atrocity was murdered. Lviv: Germans soldiers raped Jewish girls, who were murdered after getting pregnant.[86] It is estimated that over a million children were born to Russian women, fathered by German soldiers.[87]:56 [88] Author Ursula Schele, estimated in the Journal "Zur Debatte um die Ausstellung Vernichtungskrieg. Verbrechen der Wehrmacht 1941-1944" that one in ten women raped by German soldiers would have become pregnant, and therefore it is probable, while not provable, that up to ten million women in the Soviet Union could have been raped by the Wehrmacht.[89]:9

Birgit Beck, in her work Rape: The Military Trials of Sexual Crimes Committed by Soldiers in the Wehrmacht, 1939–1944, describes the leniency in punishing sex crimes by German authorities in the East, at the same time pointing out heavy punishments applied in the West.[90] If a soldier who committed a rape was subsequently convicted by a court-martial, he would usually be sentenced to four years in prison[91] The German penal code was also valid for soldiers in war.[92] However, until 1944 only 5,349 soldiers of the Wehrmacht on all fronts were sentenced because of indecency offence "Sittlichkeitsvergehen" or rape "Notzucht".[93] Historian Mühlhäuser believed that sexual assault was not an exception but common, and that the actual number of rapes committed by German soldiers are without question much greater.[94]

Other sources estimate that rapes of Soviet women by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents, with between 750,000 and 1,000,000 children being born as a result.[87][88][89][95]

In Soviet Russia rapes were only a concern if they undermined military discipline.[90] Since 1941, rape was theoretically punishable with the death sentence, although rapes were rarely prosecuted in practice and rapes by Germans of non-German women were not taken seriously, nor was it punishable by death, especially in the eastern European territories.[87]:288 In October 1940 the laws on rape were changed, making it a "petitioned crime" – that is a crime for which punishment had to be requested. Historian Christa Paul writes that this resulted in "a nearly complete absence of prosecution and punishment for rape".[87]:288 There were rape cases in the east where the perpetrators were sentenced if the rape was highly visible, damaging to the image of the German Army and the courts were willing to pass a condemning verdict against the accused.[87]:289

According to the historian Regina Mühlhäuser, the Wehrmacht also used sexual violence and undressing in numerous cases of interrogations.[96] Mühlhäuser adds that the number of illegitimate children born in the occupied regions did not exceed the prewar time. She comes to the conclusion that rapes on the Eastern front were not singular cases but has to admit that the state of source material is very poor.[97]

gender critical was right, men deserve to be wiped out.

She comes to the conclusion that rapes on the Eastern front were not singular cases but has to admit that the state of source material is very poor.

Kind of the point right? Given the unbelievable levels of atrocity the Red Guard committed, by far the worst side in WWII, they had to push a lot of propaganda to distract from that.

Look pretty much no army in WW2 had an official rape policy.

Except the japanese.

The real answer though is the Japanese

Shut up Japanese are most cultured people dindu nuffin

/u/InternetPenguin, last 10 posts include /r/FULLCOMMUNISM, /r/communism101, /r/PokemonQuest and /r/FortNiteBR.

Can you be any more peak Reddit?

The average redditeur is a liberal who wants glorified NEETbux/‘basic income’, not an actual commie tbqh.

not wanting neet bux

why are you so autistic

What is the conversation from good boy points to NEETbux?

1:4.20

In a universe (pokemon) where business and making yourself the best through self worth the people playing the game miss the point and are communist. FUCKING LOL

pokemon is just an elaborate dog fighting advertisement

Of course they play Fortnite

r/futurism and Elon shitposting.

communist children.

Top kek.

Q: Who raped more, Nazis or Commies?
A: A lot

Alot of rape.

Why do Commies keep bringing retarded Douglas Tottle and his 'Fraud, Famine, and Fascism'?

There is a strong consensus that Communist's policies caused the famine. It's backed by information from archives, statistics on total crop and export size, data from climatologists, and even by eyewitness interviews.

I don't care about the tankie vs nazi slapfights, what really bothered me was some dumb Burger saying that the modern day US Army is more badass.

If you don't nut to the sound of a PPSH-41 burst then you're scum.

PPSH-41

I would respect antifa a lot more if they used those instead of bielocks

So you've never shot a 249 or 240? Not to mention the .50....then again, your experience is limited by call of duty.

Moderator of a rainbow six subreddit

Imagine being this fucking lame.

Not in the army

Imagine being such a weak turd

Nothing forges men of steel like police calling brass.

the British were fully willing to team up with the Germans against the Red Army until they realised the full extent of the horror of the holocaust.

This is a literal lie tho

"No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.”

You don't understand the 4D inter-dimensional chess at play here. Yes Britain may have sent the USSR 7000 planes, 5000 tanks and literally billions of dollars worth of aid in the years before the Holocaust was known. But they were actually sending them faulty equipment and sabotaged goods to help the Germans.

Actually, considering how poor most British tanks were, this might be true!

Gotta love tankies complaining about Britain and other western powers being too lenient on the nazis when the USSR themselves signed multiple treaties and economic deals that not only aided the German re armament but secretly planned the invasion of Poland and the Baltic states.

/u/internetpenguin

Why do tankies always bring up bad harvests and not the deliberate theft of food from the polish to feed the party faithful?

muh CIA propaganda

They also like to ignore that Stalin turned down food aid and made model villages to hide what was happening from media sources. Both are hallmarks of a completely accidental event.

Why did they delete all the comments by the pro-Wehrmacht guy but nit the tankie?

Because Reddit.

Redundancy. Communism is Nazism.

Notice neither of them wanted to rape the British.

The only people who care about this shit are Nazis and tankies. Which are you OP?

mfw /u/Dead_Rendezvous says that the victims of brutal and often fatal gang-rapes deserved it. Cuz yknow, being in a country that commits war crimes means you deserve to be raped to death. I hope he's not American!

This is like a bizarro oppression olympics where the winner get to think everyone else's war atrocities somehow absolve their own.

Gotta love the way the comment chain is just tankie - deleted comment - tankie - deleted comment - tankie - deleted comment. really makes you think

This is what pisses me off about whatever social group wants to cry about their families oppressive past. Newsflash dipshit, 99.999% of humanity has had it shit and tough throughout all of history. The amount of poverty, war, genocide, rape, etc, you name it.. Every race has had to go through some fucked up shit.