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I suppose I'm being summoned. I don't mind.

I was unverified until the rules of the subreddit changed so that we must be verified in order to present ourselves as officers to answer legal questions. I went ahead and verified so that I could continue to answer questions for people from my state while giving them some amount of assurance that I'm informed on the topics. It has allowed me to help a couple people, which is good, and we can verify in a way that keeps our identity private. That is also good.

As for the quote, I was fairly specific on the point I was making and I'm glad it's linked. I was pushing back against the idea that context doesn't matter in policing. I hope everyone here would agree. I suppose taking that quote out of context is more dramatic than quoting my earlier comment, "So the story is that several officers walked up to a guy on the phone, said nothing, and started punching him? If that is the case then it's not acceptable."

while giving them some amount of assurance that I'm informed on the topics.

I hope you don't forget to include, 'Yeah, I wouldn't arrest you for this, but some other dick might'.

I hope you don't forget to include, 'Yeah, I wouldn't arrest you for this, but some other dick might'.

I say that moderately frequently on P&S. People have different priorities and different ways of doing any job. In my jurisdiction we have discretion so long as the crime is not a Class A Felony, Class B Felony, domestic assault, or a Measure 11 crime. Also, no one likes every single one of their coworkers. Those are all truths that I think we can accept amiably.

Are your coworkers open about their spousal abuse or do they keep that in the closet where you are from?

Are your coworkers open about their spousal abuse or do they keep that in the closet where you are from?

We're a pretty small department so not a lot is hidden. One of our female officers did suffer some abuse but fortunately got a divorce. In terms of abuse committed by officers, we actually have an anonymous mental health counseling program that allows officers to seek treatment without fear if losing their job. I know a couple officers have used it.

My jurisdiction is pretty progressive. We've already done most things people suggest to improve policing to include statewide certification with non-police review, banning bondsmen, banning private prisons, and creating a schedule so that individual factors such as sex or race can't be used against a person in sentencing.

Sounds like you have your shit together, gross.

So what's your argument here, that if he'd raped a toddler it'd be appropriate to beat him it unconsciousness? That's not your job you dense pig. Your job is to arrest him and let the system punish him

So what's your argument here, that if he'd raped a toddler it'd be appropriate to beat him into unconsciousness? That's not your job you dense pig. Your job is to arrest him and let the system punish him

That was not my argument. My argument was that context does matter and that officers should be able to use available facts to determine if a person is more or less likely to be dangerous while deciding what is a reasonable amount of force to overcome an individual's resistance. I agree with you that an officer's job is to arrest. Sometimes that means overcoming a person's resistance. A police officer should be able to use context, such as age, size, sex, severity of suspected crime, and so on in determining what force is necessary. In my example, a person displaying evidence of a violent and reprehensible violent crime was an example of someone who may need more force than someone standing around minding their own business with no indicators of violence or a weapon.

I feel like we probably agree but that you don't like my profession.

That was not my argument. My argument was that context does matter and that officers should be able to use available facts to determine if a person is more or less likely to be dangerous while deciding what is a reasonable amount of force to overcome an individual's resistance. I agree with you that an officer's job is to arrest. Sometimes that means overcoming a person's resistance. A police officer should be able to use context, such as age, size, sex, severity of suspected crime, and so on in determining what force is necessary. In my example, a person displaying evidence of a violent and reprehensible violent crime was an example of someone who may need more force than someone standing around minding their own business with no indicators of violence or a weapon.

If 4 full grown men can't hold down and handcuff 1 person without beating them it's because they poorly trained and weak as fuck. Full stop.

I feel like we probably agree but that you don't like my profession.

What I don't like are bullies and thugs

If 4 full grown men can't hold down and handcuff 1 person without beating them it's because they poorly trained and weak as fuck. Full stop.

I might have said this before I was put into the position of having to do so.

What I don't like are bullies and thugs

We have that in common as well.

Did you watch the longer video?

I'm surprised this department didn't just kill the guy like they did with that other guy 2 years ago.

I haven't been able to get it to play but I have read a more thorough article. My jurisdiction does not allow strikes to overcome passive resistance. I would expect to be punished or fired if I'd used force like that. The statement for the chief, and the fact that he changed policy, suggests to me that they are more lenient with their force. I don't like that. I don't think strikes are necessary to overcome passive resistance.

Did you see the video of the shooting of Daniel Shaver?

That happened less than 2 years ago, it's clear that this is just the modus operandi of the Mesa PD.

I prefer they use strikes instead of guns when someone unarmed literally does nothing and just stands there.

Did you see the video of the shooting of Daniel Shaver?

Yes.

That happened less than 2 years ago, it's clear that this is just the modus operandi of the Mesa PD. I don't think they changed any policy if they didn't change policy after that event.

It may be. It's not unheard of for a department to have severe systemic problems. Miami Gardens PD, if I remember the name correctly, is an example. I don't have any knowledge about this particular department or their circuit.

There's so many videotaped cases out there in Mesa.

Considerably more than in my country, and that has like 18 million inhabitants.

When it comes to American policing, most complaints do come from a handful of departments.

What positions in a department are determined through election?

Directly, a sheriff is elected. Indirectly, all other positions answer to an elected official.

Fucking agenda posters.

Living in Mesa, Arizona must be like something like a Judge Dredd thing.

Police keeps fucking up random people there.