I think the primary goal is to create an environment in which everyone can sit down and have a constructive dialogue about systemic scoobity-bop diggity
I love it when incels bring race into the equations, it causes chaos because normie reddit always have to virtue signal that they are against racism, but at the same time they don't want to agree with incels.
Also lol at cb2 being pro incel to own the redditors.
No, I'm saying you can not find black women or whoever attractive and not be racist or you can find them attractive and be racist toeards that group. I don't think there is a correlation to racism and not being a attracted to a certain race.
You're initial points are true but black women's features being seen as less desirable is rooted in racism. The people with preferences aren't bad people, but they can at least admit their preferences stem from socialization.
or just getting people to stop writing their racial preferences on their dating profile. you can still swipe left on people you find unattractive, but you just can't swipe left on an entire race.
or just get people to stop writing their racial preferences on their dating profile.
Yes, as I said, this does nothing to address the "problem", it just masks it.
you can still swipe left on people you find unattractive, but you just can't swipe left on an entire race.
But you literally can, there's nothing stopping you or compelling you to do otherwise. Unless of course you force people to date others who they're not attracted to.
If you're not familiar with online dating, most people already do this.
Beauty/attractiveness is similar to pornography. Can't easily define it but you know it when you see it.
This whole conversation is insanely retarded. Trying to ascribe malicious racial bias to what broad swathes of the population find attractive is so absurd. Especially the "you can't even help it because your society is racist" is just Kafka trap nonsense.
All I'm saying is preferences are malleable by society, If the society has racist views it will bleed over into people's romantic lives. If nappy hair is associated in a bad light in a culture then it's obviously gonna affect people's preferences later on. If people call straight hair "good" hair then it's gonna affect preferences down the line. It's not entirely nature, as socialization plays into it.
The kicker is that it's not malicious. Just kind of an outcome that's the fault of larger society in general.
Well, we have some empirical findings on the objectivity of the beauty of some physical characteristics across cultures ( like symmetry). Is very possible that some physical characteristics are objectively less attractive than others
Anyways I don't disagree with the examples you gave, but doesn't the possibility exist that if society values beauty standards for one race that the races that can't match them will lose out? Like black women doing worse than other races can't be a coincidence right?
Yeah of course some races will lose out, and of course some of that difference is based on racism
But you can only combat this indirectly so to speak, you can hope that as racism goes down peoples preference expand ( though those who are not racist and just dont like black skin wont). Because you cant control attraction
Yup can't argue with that. Shaming is thus not only an ineffective solution but immoral one as well. I just wanted to counter the idea that society's view on race had nothing to do with it.
This isn't new. You can find plenty of diatribes pointedly haranguing men for their racial preferences whether it be not wanting to date a certain race or "fetishsizing" a race. Meanwhile, they're completely quite about women's specific taste when it comes to every race of woman, other than black, wanting to date a white man and how poorly they look upon men of Indian or Asian descent.
Just another one of many double standards this "women are wonderful" society has.
try telling women that women preferring to date men who are taller than them is equivelant to men wanting to date women with big breasts or a bubbue butt or what have you.
it mostly goes both ways though. Women want men who are taller, most guys prefer girls shorter than them. Guys want girls less heavy than them, women want a guy who can benchpress them.
My opinion is that these are actually pretty problematic preferences which are rooted in male and female stereo- and archetypes and which further enforce patriarchic tendencies in your society. Nonetheless most feminists do not inherently oppose those or even critically examine them.
Wait, do you actually think this is something that can be influenced by enough yammering and not just psych majors trying to rationalize who their hindbrains want them to smash naughty bit against?
Sexual preferences isn't really something that can't be influenced anyway so the whole shtick how white men should reconsider their attraction to black women is pretty dumb.
It's more that I find it a bit hypocritical that feminists don't consider the preferences women have towards men, especially since they seem to paint them as submissive and weak (preference for a taller, strong guy).
At best they'll complain about male preferences but they never talk about the female ones.
Women want men who are taller, most guys prefer girls shorter than them.
The big irony is that this is kind of a perfect fit but certain women will complain about it because wanting a short girl is offensive, white-knighty and probably pedophilia.
Most people don't complain about it because it's mostly mutual. Then there's the occassional /r/gendercritical who'll call you a pedo for liking short, petite, or even worse girls with small breasts but luckily those aren't that common.
White hipster soyboy goes up to large ghetto black lady smoking a kool on the 7-11 curb.
"Uh... uhhhh, excuse me, miss. As I'm super not racist, um, would you like to perhaps, if interested, go with me to a used book store then perhaps a wine bar I know? Hey, why - why - are you laughing. Heh..."
you can't have a system of values with SJWs. Because if you have values, you need a hierarchy to differentiate that which is valued from that which is not. Thus, you create inequality, the bane of the SJW.
What the Tumblr Americans are haktually saying is:
If you're a mayo and you do (or don't do) anything, then you might need to examine why that is.
If you talk to Tyrone then examine whether what you're saying perpetuating the kyriarchy. If you don't talk to Tyrone then examine whether you're perpetuating the kyriarchy by excluding Tyrone from your wypipo problems
Don't mansplain Becky at work but also give Becky guidance, as Wymales have hoarded all the knowledge on how to be powerhungry pricks until recently and you can't expect whammen to figure this stuff out for themselves
You know how Jains practice strict non-violence towards all living beings, even taking into account the feels of bacteria? Intersexanality is pretty much that but only for PoP (People of Privilege). Combine this with the ethos of Lutheranism and its all-encompassing Guilt (original sin brah) and with the aspects of Islam that forbid the depiction of anything that might tempt people to have an ounce of enjoyment, like music or cartoons about the Prophet, and you have a healthy life philosophy that doesn't resemble Maoist struggle sessions in any way.
There is no more fervent male feminist than a nerdy guy who gets lucky once or twice, and then tries to elevate himself above the "manbabies".
I feel like I've had a good view of this, since I was a college freshman in the early 2010s, when "mra's" got big with with stinkpieces. I saw the same thing happen at least five times that year: 1) Nerdy guy I knew from high school messages me about how he hooked up with some fat table-top chick, 2) Nerdy guy posts "MRAs FITE ME IRL" or "OMG TRP IS RUINING THE MATRIX FOR ME" on social media for the next month. Like clockwork
NOBODY chooses their sexuality based on that reasoning. "Hmm I prefer vaginas to penises so I'll be hetero." You are being disingenuous or at least not logical if you're really going to claim that's why you're straight.
lol sorry but what people are attracted to is not their making, you can't force anyone into liking what they don't like, just as you cannot force gay people into being hetero or vise versa.
if you exclude certain ethnical attributes form your dating preferences then that is just as fine as excluding certain sex/gender from it based on your sexual preferences.
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1 CrosbyStillzandSwag 2018-06-10
The thread they're responding to is good shit too
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
>having preferences is fine
Vs
>the root of those preferences is racism
Even if the latter part is true, what is supposed to be done? Guilt people into fucking people they aren't attracted to?
1 WhereDidSerotoninGo 2018-06-10
FAT POSITIVE
1 CrosbyStillzandSwag 2018-06-10
I think the primary goal is to create an environment in which everyone can sit down and have a constructive dialogue about systemic scoobity-bop diggity
1 [deleted] 2018-06-10
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1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-10
Government mandated boyfriends
1 DistortedLines 2018-06-10
I love it when incels bring race into the equations, it causes chaos because normie reddit always have to virtue signal that they are against racism, but at the same time they don't want to agree with incels.
Also lol at cb2 being pro incel to own the redditors.
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1 boyoyoyoyong 2018-06-10
u/ScoattyMcScoatface imagine posting in a sub more pathetic then braincels yet there you are
1 justanotherusername_ 2018-06-10
Then = time
Than = comparison
1 Singulaire 2018-06-10
First of all, how dare you!
1 ScoattyMcScoatface 2018-06-10
Karma donβt grow on trees
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-10
Umm nice try sweaty but there's nothing more pathetic than incels.
Though i am willing to suggest that incels who hind behind ideologies are even pathetic aka TERFs (femcels) and TRP types.
1 HumbertHumbertTekken 2018-06-10
Yeah slave owners who fucked their slaves weren't racist. Sexual attraction and to which race has nothing to do with how you feel about that race.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
So black women don't face problems in the dating world because of racism since their ancestors got raped by slave owners?
1 HumbertHumbertTekken 2018-06-10
No, I'm saying you can not find black women or whoever attractive and not be racist or you can find them attractive and be racist toeards that group. I don't think there is a correlation to racism and not being a attracted to a certain race.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
You're initial points are true but black women's features being seen as less desirable is rooted in racism. The people with preferences aren't bad people, but they can at least admit their preferences stem from socialization.
1 DistortedLines 2018-06-10
The thing is you'll never be able to "fix" this problem without forcing people to date others they don't want to date.
I mean sure, but getting people to admit that won't really affect anything.
1 aiyooooo 2018-06-10
or just getting people to stop writing their racial preferences on their dating profile. you can still swipe left on people you find unattractive, but you just can't swipe left on an entire race.
1 DistortedLines 2018-06-10
Yes, as I said, this does nothing to address the "problem", it just masks it.
But you literally can, there's nothing stopping you or compelling you to do otherwise. Unless of course you force people to date others who they're not attracted to.
If you're not familiar with online dating, most people already do this.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-06-10
Most apps and sites already do this. It's annoying as hell. You sure as hell can swipe left on anything you want. That's what preferences are.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
Yup there's no solution that doesn't involve a retarded sexual socialism plan.
Using guilt and shaming to get people to act "correctly" in these situations is an awful idea.
1 Raving_Dave 2018-06-10
Um, last I checked sweetie "big booty" was in.
1 justanotherusername_ 2018-06-10
Wrong.
Beauty/attractiveness is similar to pornography. Can't easily define it but you know it when you see it.
This whole conversation is insanely retarded. Trying to ascribe malicious racial bias to what broad swathes of the population find attractive is so absurd. Especially the "you can't even help it because your society is racist" is just Kafka trap nonsense.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
All I'm saying is preferences are malleable by society, If the society has racist views it will bleed over into people's romantic lives. If nappy hair is associated in a bad light in a culture then it's obviously gonna affect people's preferences later on. If people call straight hair "good" hair then it's gonna affect preferences down the line. It's not entirely nature, as socialization plays into it.
The kicker is that it's not malicious. Just kind of an outcome that's the fault of larger society in general.
1 cheers_grills 2018-06-10
ure mom gay
1 tfdidido 2018-06-10
Well, we have some empirical findings on the objectivity of the beauty of some physical characteristics across cultures ( like symmetry). Is very possible that some physical characteristics are objectively less attractive than others
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-10
How much glue did you huff today, Charlie?
1 tfdidido 2018-06-10
Most of our preferences come from socialization, that doesnt mean anything
And also not all, is very possible for someone to not find attractive some physical features of some races for reasons not rooted in racism
For the exact same reason that if beards become unattractive again it won't be discrimination nor prejudice against those who have beards
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
Is this DrinksProfessionally?
Anyways I don't disagree with the examples you gave, but doesn't the possibility exist that if society values beauty standards for one race that the races that can't match them will lose out? Like black women doing worse than other races can't be a coincidence right?
1 tfdidido 2018-06-10
yep is me
Yeah of course some races will lose out, and of course some of that difference is based on racism
But you can only combat this indirectly so to speak, you can hope that as racism goes down peoples preference expand ( though those who are not racist and just dont like black skin wont). Because you cant control attraction
1 siskonaut 2018-06-10
Yup can't argue with that. Shaming is thus not only an ineffective solution but immoral one as well. I just wanted to counter the idea that society's view on race had nothing to do with it.
1 Automaticus 2018-06-10
People dont like bunted noses an in the US example obesity.
1 mydramaaccount 2018-06-10
This isn't new. You can find plenty of diatribes pointedly haranguing men for their racial preferences whether it be not wanting to date a certain race or "fetishsizing" a race. Meanwhile, they're completely quite about women's specific taste when it comes to every race of woman, other than black, wanting to date a white man and how poorly they look upon men of Indian or Asian descent.
Just another one of many double standards this "women are wonderful" society has.
1 [deleted] 2018-06-10
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1 noo--dles 2018-06-10
/u/Mircy time for you to start bullying another TERF
1 Mircy 2018-06-10
Yay!
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-10
try telling women that women preferring to date men who are taller than them is equivelant to men wanting to date women with big breasts or a bubbue butt or what have you.
it does not go well.
1 butwomenarejustpeopl 2018-06-10
But females love bringing men's genitals into everything. It's the first thing they draw parelels too.
1 kwawi 2018-06-10
Feminicels: we need body positivity and fat acceptance
Incels: lookism is real
Feminicels: no wait it's not your looks it's your persomonality
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-06-10
But with incels it really is their soul that's ugly
Eliot Rodger would have made a good twink with those luscious DSLs
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
it mostly goes both ways though. Women want men who are taller, most guys prefer girls shorter than them. Guys want girls less heavy than them, women want a guy who can benchpress them.
My opinion is that these are actually pretty problematic preferences which are rooted in male and female stereo- and archetypes and which further enforce patriarchic tendencies in your society. Nonetheless most feminists do not inherently oppose those or even critically examine them.
1 hoseja 2018-06-10
Wait, do you actually think this is something that can be influenced by enough yammering and not just psych majors trying to rationalize who their hindbrains want them to smash naughty bit against?
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
Sexual preferences isn't really something that can't be influenced anyway so the whole shtick how white men should reconsider their attraction to black women is pretty dumb.
It's more that I find it a bit hypocritical that feminists don't consider the preferences women have towards men, especially since they seem to paint them as submissive and weak (preference for a taller, strong guy).
At best they'll complain about male preferences but they never talk about the female ones.
1 Destirigon 2018-06-10
The big irony is that this is kind of a perfect fit but certain women will complain about it because wanting a short girl is offensive, white-knighty and probably pedophilia.
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
Most people don't complain about it because it's mostly mutual. Then there's the occassional /r/gendercritical who'll call you a pedo for liking short, petite, or even worse girls with small breasts but luckily those aren't that common.
1 Destirigon 2018-06-10
If you are not into a certain race it's racist. But if you are, it's racist too (see "Yellow Fever").
Moral of the story: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
1 Neon_needles 2018-06-10
"Uh... uhhhh, excuse me, miss. As I'm super not racist, um, would you like to perhaps, if interested, go with me to a used book store then perhaps a wine bar I know? Hey, why - why - are you laughing. Heh..."
1 Marcus_Brolius 2018-06-10
you can't have a system of values with SJWs. Because if you have values, you need a hierarchy to differentiate that which is valued from that which is not. Thus, you create inequality, the bane of the SJW.
1 kwawi 2018-06-10
No no no no. You are strawmanning them
What the Tumblr Americans are haktually saying is:
If you're a mayo and you do (or don't do) anything, then you might need to examine why that is.
If you talk to Tyrone then examine whether what you're saying perpetuating the kyriarchy. If you don't talk to Tyrone then examine whether you're perpetuating the kyriarchy by excluding Tyrone from your wypipo problems
Don't mansplain Becky at work but also give Becky guidance, as Wymales have hoarded all the knowledge on how to be powerhungry pricks until recently and you can't expect whammen to figure this stuff out for themselves
You know how Jains practice strict non-violence towards all living beings, even taking into account the feels of bacteria? Intersexanality is pretty much that but only for PoP (People of Privilege). Combine this with the ethos of Lutheranism and its all-encompassing Guilt (original sin brah) and with the aspects of Islam that forbid the depiction of anything that might tempt people to have an ounce of enjoyment, like music or cartoons about the Prophet, and you have a healthy life philosophy that doesn't resemble Maoist struggle sessions in any way.
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
yellow fever's just a term invented by jelly mayo women when they realised that some guys prefer ricecakes over their oily selves.
1 VioletBroregarde 2018-06-10
How much do you weigh
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-10
male sjws are just incels that manage to bottle it all up inside them and project on everyone else instead of lashing out
100% theyre all the same type of faggot
they hate incels so much because they remind them of themselves
1 CrosbyStillzandSwag 2018-06-10
There is no more fervent male feminist than a nerdy guy who gets lucky once or twice, and then tries to elevate himself above the "manbabies".
I feel like I've had a good view of this, since I was a college freshman in the early 2010s, when "mra's" got big with with stinkpieces. I saw the same thing happen at least five times that year: 1) Nerdy guy I knew from high school messages me about how he hooked up with some fat table-top chick, 2) Nerdy guy posts "MRAs FITE ME IRL" or "OMG TRP IS RUINING THE MATRIX FOR ME" on social media for the next month. Like clockwork
1 Angrygrape1337Reborn 2018-06-10
They still got friendzoned, I guarantee that.
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-06-10
https://i.imgur.com/jCjYCKR.jpg
1 Narsil098 2018-06-10
staph
1 aventafuera 2018-06-10
delet pls
1 cheers_grills 2018-06-10
You just know he's got a chick sucking his dick while taking this picture.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-10
ππππππππππππππ
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-10
yep calling them faggots sure is whiteknighting
do you even read the posts you sperg at nowadays lol
1 leva549 2018-06-10
"Who are you?"
"I'm you but more honest."
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-06-10
We have reached peak gender studies
1 Automaticus 2018-06-10
Radical centrist orders will always decay into debauchery because there is no policy prescription for dealing with this intellectual corruption.
The soviets rightly purged for a reason.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-06-10
CB2 is actually right though.
1 OldOrder 2018-06-10
/u/pizzashill applying for a mod position in CB2 as we speak.
1 Orsonius 2018-06-10
lol sorry but what people are attracted to is not their making, you can't force anyone into liking what they don't like, just as you cannot force gay people into being hetero or vise versa.
if you exclude certain ethnical attributes form your dating preferences then that is just as fine as excluding certain sex/gender from it based on your sexual preferences.
1 Orsonius 2018-06-10
/u/yameteoniichanitai
so you like brown children?
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
I'm more pro-rice
1 Orsonius 2018-06-10
ricelolis are also pretty brown when young.
you could say they are brown rice
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-10
they shouldn't be too young, harvesting rice when not fully grown will just give you a bad harvest
but generally I don't discriminate based on the color of rice, whether normal rice or maybe slightly brown Okinawan rice.
1 ffbtaw 2018-06-10
It is interesting that they focus on white women preferring to date white men and ignore non-white women preferring to date white men.