If Obama had done this they'd be jumping up and down and the-donald would be the ones doing this reeing. Team politics is a cancer. Radical centrism is the only true path to enlightenment.
Obama had done this they'd be jumping up and down and the-donald would be the ones doing this reeing.
Not completely ideologically inconsistent. Obama is considerably more intelligent and rational than Trump. I don't mean this as a slight, but simply as a matter of empirical fact. Thus even if the outcomes are identical, it's easier to trust the decision reached intelligently.
Lol. Fair enough. Obama probably wouldn't talk to Kim about beach resorts in NK. It's so blatantly obvious that Trump is trying to take it till you make it.
A consumerist hive- mind insect boy who is divorced from history, masculinity, culture and tradition. He fills his time with pop culture ephemera, media selected opinions and children’s entertainments. A neutered bug.
It's been on the upswing for almost nine years, and the rate under Trump is just about equal as it was under Obama. Sorry, Trump doesn't get a cookie for riding a wave and not fucking everything to shit.
Zero repercussions? We just told our allies SK, Taiwan and Japan we have no interest in continuing defending them against NK. NK has promised to do this before in much more well defined agreements and went back on it. NK will keep producing nukes since they never agreed to when they would denuclearize and now can claim to the world the US is preparing for war against them and why they NEED their nukes if we ever decided to restart the exercises.
Halting joint military drills isn't the same as saying we aren't going to defend allies, wew.
That isn't even a repercussion for meeting in person. Its your own made up delusion about why NK isn't going to play ball in the future, which is not a worse situation than prior to the meeting.
Do you even read the garbage you type out or do you just smash the keyboard impotently and let autocorrect handle the rest?
You clearly have no idea how an actual political landscape works. There is no point in continuing debating this subject with you and wish you well in the future.
There are repercussions dude. The US has refused to meet with NK, in this way, because it legitimizes the nuclear war threats, the genocide, everything.
A dictator that has repeatedly threatened nuclear war, a country that has repeatedly lied and broken promises made over the years, a man that puts his own people in camps and murders them on a daily basis was allowed a summit with the leader of the free world.
North Korea has been handed a massive propaganda win. And we gave it to them so a moron could have a photo op.
After Bush, President Barack Obama was open to talks, but never became convinced that North Korea would meet his preconditions or seriously intended to give up its nuclear weapons. “This is the same kind of pattern that we saw his father engage in and his grandfather before that,” Obama said of Kim Jong Un in 2013, who took over the country from his father in 2011 and had been making threats against the U.S. and South Korea. “Since I came into office, the one thing I was clear about was, we’re not going to reward this kind of provocative behavior. You don’t get to bang your spoon on the table and somehow you get your way.” As he was leaving office, Obama reportedly warned Trump that North Korea would be his most urgent foreign policy threat.
For 30 years absolutely dick all has been done or accomplished with foreign policy and North Korea, and your solution to that problem is to continue the same tactics which accomplished absolutely nothing? There clearly isn't going to be an organic regiment change from the inside so unless you want open war, this is the only other option available providing anything remotely similar to a solution and attempting it costs us absolutely squat. Zero repercussions for this meeting whatsoever at all.
Waxing on about the past morals of a dictatorship you refused to meet with to even have discussions gets you nowhere.
TIL handing dictators massive propaganda wins for nothing in return is zero repercussions.
TIL showing all the shitheads of the world all they have to do is screech threats and start a nuclear weapons program and they'll be treated as equals is zero repercussions.
This is a pointless discussion, reddit tards don't understand situations like this or even geopolitics on a basic level.
No, I don't know stuff about a lot of subjects. So you know what? I avoid those subjects. I don't pretend to understand every subject, I don't get in arguments in relation to subjects I know nothing about.
Which seems to be a favorite pass time of retards on /r/drama.
lmao you're so silly, you don't even understand that you were the one I was asking to back up your claim of inside knowledge of North Korean diplomacy even though i've repeated it several times now
You know, in the end, when NK doesn't denuclearize, and for the 9th time they lied, I'm going to come back here and mock you. I'll be saving this comment.
If they don't denuclearize the war isn't over. I really hope you aren't actually this dumb dude.
You're actually dumb enough to think the Pakistan-India War is still going on because they both have nukes
Officially ending it doesn't do anything
Wew, first you posted about how Trump was going to upset NK leading them to escalate the war now the war is a trivial matter and South Korea wasn't actually in danger of being shelled by mortars because of Trump
this was more the South Korean government
Lmao NK literally stopped talking to SK
You are sure showing me how much of a genius you are and aware of how Diplomacy with Nuclear states works today, you can't even handle interacting with another person but sure you know better then the guy who brokered Peace lol
Wow you go back to those old tracks again every time you get upset because you argue like a child, how just surprising.
The guy who says wars aren't over because a country has nukes think's he's a genius and literally everyone else is stupid how surprising.
retardation I've ever seen on Reddit.
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will shut down his nuclear test site in May and invite experts and journalists from South Korea and the United States into the country to ensure "transparency" around its closure, South Korea's presidential office said Sunday.
"It's all due to SK but NK isn't going to get rid of their nukes even though they had a deal with the Government I just said was responsible for everything"
You're either hilariously uninformed or just have no idea at all about these peace talks lol
OK, so then Trump is going to ask Kim to do something later on the basis of "well we stopped doing dress rehearsals for the invasion of your country". This kind of give and take isn't exceptional, and frankly it seems to be working better than the Bush/Obama method of making vain demands that gets laughed off.
No, everybody knows that North Korea wantonly backed out of their commitments in 2008, and that they'll do the same again at the first possible opportunity. That doesn't change the fact that the US is ultimately better off too.
You know Obama had 10 hostages released under his presidency right? I guess North Korea didn't really have 10 hostages, just the 3 so maybe it's unfair comparison.
Trump made a huge concession — the suspension of military exercises with South Korea. That’s on top of the broader concession of the summit meeting itself, security guarantees he gave North Korea and the legitimacy that the summit provides his counterpart, Kim Jong-un.
Within North Korea, the “very special bond” that Trump claimed to have formed with Kim will be portrayed this way: Kim forced the American president, through his nuclear and missile tests, to accept North Korea as a nuclear equal, to provide security guarantees to North Korea, and to cancel war games with South Korea that the North has protested for decades.
In a joint statement, Kim merely “reaffirmed” the same commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that North Korea has repeatedly made since 1992. ...
The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.
Trump just got bent over on the national stage by a dictator of a tiny, poor country.
If we don't think they're following through we can easily restart training with SK. I'd be mad if he pulled troops out of SK, but this seems like the bare minimum we do if it brings us closer to a nuke free NK.
Denuclearisation on the Korean peninsula is generally defined by North Korea as the removal of all US military bases, equipment and soldiers from both South Korea and Japan with the elimination of the USA nuclear umbrella that covers North Korea.
So I guess that was probably a word that they should have defined in the agreement.
Could you sperg out any harder about this? You're all over this thread screeching about how someone made a necessary compromise for a potential path to peace. Get over yourself autismo.
But there is nothing right now, just optics. US basically sucked NKs dick for the possibility of talking about a deal. Thats it, Trump took a big load and swallowed for the possibility of talking about perhaps making a deal.
The US president and the NK leader meeting is not nothing. This is much more of a chance than we have ever had to have a nuke free NK. Just be happy for once.
Mainly because this is not the first time I've been alive and this shit has happened. Also, they are pretty much denuked now, their testing site collapsed and there is even speculation most of their nuke scientists died.
Either way, I hope this works, but doesn't mean I have to like the fact the US prez is on his knees sucking off Kim to get it done.
Using their propaganda points certainly is not smart.
As for the war games, as long as planning and recon remain in close contact the physical drills aren't all that useful... Although personally I'd like to get a little more out of giving those up.
If Hillary won, the donald would be all about fanboying over Trump and his twitter account and his attempts to stay in the spotlight, and conspiracy theories about Hillary. So not that much different from what it is other than more anger and bitterness over not winning (or being happy that a republican congress isn't letting a Democrat get anything done).
They're not making any money off it. Selling gold to weird Trump supporters is not a profitable ad market and by default your ads can't appear with them.
r/politics is insufferable yet it reflects the way amerifats think. After Trump won the election the GOPers decided that the economy was doing great and that deficits are good. And r/politics suddenly loved the TPP when Daddy killed it.
Adding onto the flip thing, look at the Iran nuke deal. Right is against it because it was Obama who did it, if it was Trump they would be jerking off to how great it was.
Why would you say that? It's the opposite type of deal in a number of ways. The Iran deal allows a non-nuclear power to potentially become one, while this deal is about disarming an existing nuclear power.
I've seen this statement twice today and I genuinely don't understand it.
Both require uranium enrichment, which is the difficult part of producing a nuclear weapon.
But that doesn't answer my question. How are the deals similar? The only thing I can find is that they both remain unclear on the actual execution and understanding of some key points.
Both are deals, well, one WAS a deal that had the prevention of nuclear weapons. The difference is, Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons but wanted nuclear power, they were getting pretty close to having both so US made a deal FOR nucelar power but no weapons. So basically, prevention of nukes.
NK already has nuclear weapons This deal is to get them to not make anymore.
There's a reason pretty much the entire world supported the Iran deal and the only people that didn't were right-wing crazies and people with a vested interest in war.
Unless you're willing to claim the entire world is biased against you, you're going to have to admit you and your GOP talking points are just not true.
When the deal was still active there was no development of nuclear weapons going on in Iran, and they were only enriching to the degree necessary for power generation. Only when the US started shitting all over the deal did Iran start ignoring the parts that binded them.
Because there isn't a "deal" yet with North Korea. As a Verified Daddy Hater (TM) I actually think this meeting with North Korea is a step in the right direction, and I think it could become a major achievement of the Trump Administration, but it isn't one yet. Right now it's just a statement of fluff and platitudes.
The Iran deal is what the messy reality of negotiations look like, and if you think the outcome of that deal was to let Iran become a nuclear power you're just touting the Fox News line on it and next you'll be saying they were unloading cargo planes full of palettes of money from C47s to give to radical clerics or whatever the bullshit line was
The Iran deal had actual steps to allow people to enforce it. It required Iran to disable the majority of their centrifuges and dispose of the vast majority of their uranium. The IAEA had 24/7 monitoring in old nuclear sites and could with 24 days notice visit anywhere in the country.
Since leaving Iran has announced they're beginning to enrich uranium again.
The North Korean deal doesn't define denuclearisation and has absolutely no steps to enforce that.
This isn't really surprising. The Iran deal took literal years to work out. Trump spent 4 hours in a meeting.
Also North Korea has made a pledge for complete denuclearisation before. This is actually the 8th time they've done it. Iran was in compliance with the deal. That's why Trump had to say things like they were in violation of the spirit of the agreement. So basically Iran was actually complying. North Korea lies all the time about this and America fell for it again.
Also I think it is strange their nuclear site collapsed then they suddenly come around for a deal. I wonder if they lost some scientists and it all got set back. They did shit like this in 1994 to get some aide they desperately needed.
Obama did it twice, Bush did it a few times, Clinton did it. The worst bit is they haven't even come up with a new plan.
If it was like the time they kidnapped South Korean film makers to direct a North Korean version of Godzilla, I can understand falling for that because that's ridiculous and no one would believe it was true.
This plan is just a two part plan though and it hasn't changed in 30 years.
Also this is the internet, I guarantee at least half the people saying they're shaking with rage/glee over such and such have a much less intense opinion when discussing it IRL.
Liberals really want us to go to war with NK, so we can get rid of kim and then call trump a war monger. You people rather see 100s of thousands of people die, including Americans just to make trump look bad.. special place in hell for you people.. seriously
/u/WindyCityBluez are you such a pussy that you don't want genocide?
That horseshoe theory thing. Shit happened with the Obama-man with the alt-right. Especially the fucking tea party, holy shit those guys were annoying when they sprang up.
When Obama tried to patch things up with Cuba on his way out I was behind it 100%. Trump going full retard on Cuba because of this was a notable casualty of partisan idiocy.
If you actually watch a youtube video of people being interviewed at a tea party rally, they come off as respectable taxpayers for the most part. Maybe not the brightest bunch but decent people. Seriously, go watch a video and then compare them to the angry and unhinged people you at a anti-Trump rally. You might be surprised at how stark the contrast is between the two groups.
Funny how recordings of Trumptards at their rallies isn't evidence for them being crazy, but a fraction of people showing up to Trump rallies to protest is evidence for the opposite.
You realize Trump ran on deregulating Wallstreet and, rolling back consumer protections, and sucking off those banks, right?
So if your argument is "they were angry over the banks" why did they elect someone that was more friendly to the banks, someone that would give said banks anything they wanted?
They weren't angry at the banks. They were angry at the government. The government should have let the banks fail.
So they're just dumb people? Do you have literally any idea how catastrophic letting those banks fail would have been?
You're really reaching here to deny the reality of why Trump appealed to so many people. The economy wasn't even the #1 issue for Trump voters on the exit polls, it was immigration.
Capitalism isn't the problem, government is the problem.
Just so you know, when people say shit like this it's equally as retarded as when commies claim capitalism is absolutely bad. The people that run around claiming regulation is automatically bad are just as clueless as those commies.
The people who were protesting wall street instead of Capitol Hill were clueless idiots.
Hot take: both are to blame. The government for not correctly regulating, and the bankers for reckless behavior.
Do you have any firsthand experience dealing with government regulation from the business side?
Can you explain to me why exactly you think this question is a valid replacement for an argument?
Given the fact you're under the impression letting your financial sector collapse was somehow the right choice, I suspect you aren't exactly a rational actor.
But here's the thing, I'm not the one making wild claims with no actual support.
You're here trying to claim the government should have let the financial sector collapse as if that's a valid strategy and trying to pretend the very obvious racial elements of Trump and his campaign don't actually exist and the voters were really just mad over the bailout.
So either the voters are just highly misinformed people, or race played a large role in the 2016 election, and the racial argument has actual data and research supporting it.
I'm not up to date with the Tea Party. I assume it's been a circus for years. Movements tend to get co-oped or demonized pretty easily.
It wasn't co-opted. Just so you know. Wealthy people have been using tactics like this since the very start. They use racial resentments as a veil for their actual agenda.
It's easier to get people to agree with your platform of dismantling the government and selling it to the highest bidder when you hide it behind racial resentments.
It's why Reagan's "welfare queen" line was so popular. Or stuff like this:
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
They are rather subdued compared to the heavy racial overtones of the Democratic Party's approach.
Yes, the democratic party are the real racists. Not the people getting busted for racial voter suppression, not the people linking fake crime stats on twitter.
Look, this kind of shit doesn't work on anyone outside of the US. The idea that the democratic party is somehow racist because they bring up racism in America is a special kind of delusion.
The poor, in general, should be given ane qual opportunity to succeed.
That is not the case in this country. Strong social safety nets are required to guarantee a fair shot. Being born poor in this country is a staggering disadvantage.
And framing this as black people only is wrong - while these people use racial resentments to fuel their agenda, millions of poor white people live below the poverty line and require social safety nets as well.
I'll ask again. Outside of getting help from the government, what would you recommend that poor black people do to increase their odds of making it in the world, for themselves and their children?
There is nothing they can do because being trapped in a perpetual, multi-generation long cycle of extreme poverty is impossible to overcome on any real level without intervention.
Giving them an equal chance to succeed in life and lifting a generation out of poverty is what needs to happen. That is how you break the cycle.
At least the Tea Party was hilarious, a bunch of old angry white dudes yelling about the gays and vidya, whiny mayo millennials who bitch about the straights and vidya are not amusing, they're just annoying.
They don't even realize we're just withdrawing our troops from the area so when we nuke the shit out of NK none of our guys get caught in the fallout. Trust me I just got off the phone with Daddy.
I think NK will give Trump what he wants, too, so that he can go into the mid-terms with an advantage. Remember that, as the Wilson Center puts it, "Russia is now the only major country on more or less friendly terms with Pyongyang" (defining "major country" loosely here). North Korea's dictator knows Trump, and by extension Russia, need a positive outcome here.
Then, once the midterms are over, NK simply reneges on everything. Trump will mysteriously forgive NK for this.
Damn the Daddy Defense Force has assembled in here. Why so fragile guys? I thought you had embraced your meme president and loved all his blunders and foibles. It’s more funny than trying to spin any of this into a win, it must hurt your brains. Please stop before you give yourselves an aneurysm
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-06-12
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1 whataboutThe_Donald 2018-06-12
Jesus those people are insufferable
1 Vegan_dogfucker 2018-06-12
If Obama had done this they'd be jumping up and down and the-donald would be the ones doing this reeing. Team politics is a cancer. Radical centrism is the only true path to enlightenment.
1 high_side 2018-06-12
Tru.
Not completely ideologically inconsistent. Obama is considerably more intelligent and rational than Trump. I don't mean this as a slight, but simply as a matter of empirical fact. Thus even if the outcomes are identical, it's easier to trust the decision reached intelligently.
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2018-06-12
Not mention that Obama is not white. Which makes him a trustable figure but when you see mayo filth trying oppress chinks then people get tad nervous.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
I just don't like Trump's hair. Obama's salt and pepper sprinkling throughout was more reliable.
1 Vegan_dogfucker 2018-06-12
Lol. Fair enough. Obama probably wouldn't talk to Kim about beach resorts in NK. It's so blatantly obvious that Trump is trying to take it till you make it.
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
Counter Point
1 high_side 2018-06-12
Yeah I don't watch random youtube videos liked by Daddy lovers, esp without earbuds on train. Can you summarize?
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
Obama dumb.
1 high_side 2018-06-12
Haha okay.
1 mcslibbin 2018-06-12
He's black, too. That really pisses them off
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-12
He's not really a black American. He's more of a generic PoC foreigner global-fag.
1 mcslibbin 2018-06-12
I just said black :/
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-12
He's more of a generic Pee-oh-Cee Islam bug-man
1 mcslibbin 2018-06-12
What is this bug man thing you're doing it I don't understand it
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-12
A consumerist hive- mind insect boy who is divorced from history, masculinity, culture and tradition. He fills his time with pop culture ephemera, media selected opinions and children’s entertainments. A neutered bug.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-12
Ooooooh shit the black guy misspoke!
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
Lol
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-12
... Yeahhhh if you think that video aged well you're more fucking idiotic than I imagined. Plant's shutting down bro, UTC got the money.
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
You dense mother fucker.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/manufacturing-jobs-186000-under-trump-15000-gained-january
Manufacturing Jobs Up 216,000 Since Trump's Election; 15,000 Gained in January
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/manufacturing-jobs-18000-may-322000-under-trump
Manufacturing Jobs Up 18,000 in May; 322,000 Under Trump
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-12
First off... cnsnews... fucking. lol.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001
It's been on the upswing for almost nine years, and the rate under Trump is just about equal as it was under Obama. Sorry, Trump doesn't get a cookie for riding a wave and not fucking everything to shit.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Nobody sane thinks this is a good thing. Even the magatards at nationalreview see it for what it is.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/singapore-summit-north-korea-wins-us-concessions/
1 Fiat-Libertas 2018-06-12
Oh no, Trump stopped military excersizes that can easily be restarted at any time!!@!!@
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
NK has been waiting for a US president retarded enough to meet with them for a long time.
1 Fiat-Libertas 2018-06-12
Dodge and deflect.
Look I know the CTR messaging said the only thing to be outraged over is Trump ending military drills but literally no one cares.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Deflect what you fucking mongoloid. Jesus Christ, how are you guys always this dumb?
For the love of god show me 1 fucking Trumptard with an above room temp IQ.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
Dude you have TDS and nobody gives a shit about joint military drills in SK being paused temporarily.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
They've given nothing. Why are they being given something for nothing in return?
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
Its called a good will gesture to show the USA is serious? Its like the political equivalent of offering a guest fucking tea.
What the fuck do you want in return for that?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Something, considering NK has been saying shit like this for 30+ years and never following through.
There's a reason no president, up to this point, has been dumb enough to meet with them.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
You keep saying it was dumb to meet with NK but it has absolutely zero repercussions for doing so, care to explain?
1 Highllamas 2018-06-12
Zero repercussions? We just told our allies SK, Taiwan and Japan we have no interest in continuing defending them against NK. NK has promised to do this before in much more well defined agreements and went back on it. NK will keep producing nukes since they never agreed to when they would denuclearize and now can claim to the world the US is preparing for war against them and why they NEED their nukes if we ever decided to restart the exercises.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
Halting joint military drills isn't the same as saying we aren't going to defend allies, wew. That isn't even a repercussion for meeting in person. Its your own made up delusion about why NK isn't going to play ball in the future, which is not a worse situation than prior to the meeting.
Do you even read the garbage you type out or do you just smash the keyboard impotently and let autocorrect handle the rest?
1 Highllamas 2018-06-12
You clearly have no idea how an actual political landscape works. There is no point in continuing debating this subject with you and wish you well in the future.
1 Pepperglue 2018-06-12
As if US ever cared that much about defending Taiwan since 2000.
I'm for going back to saber rattling. The threat of glassing Best Korea is better than anything I have seen out of the talk.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
There are repercussions dude. The US has refused to meet with NK, in this way, because it legitimizes the nuclear war threats, the genocide, everything.
A dictator that has repeatedly threatened nuclear war, a country that has repeatedly lied and broken promises made over the years, a man that puts his own people in camps and murders them on a daily basis was allowed a summit with the leader of the free world.
North Korea has been handed a massive propaganda win. And we gave it to them so a moron could have a photo op.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
For 30 years absolutely dick all has been done or accomplished with foreign policy and North Korea, and your solution to that problem is to continue the same tactics which accomplished absolutely nothing? There clearly isn't going to be an organic regiment change from the inside so unless you want open war, this is the only other option available providing anything remotely similar to a solution and attempting it costs us absolutely squat. Zero repercussions for this meeting whatsoever at all.
Waxing on about the past morals of a dictatorship you refused to meet with to even have discussions gets you nowhere.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
TIL handing dictators massive propaganda wins for nothing in return is zero repercussions.
TIL showing all the shitheads of the world all they have to do is screech threats and start a nuclear weapons program and they'll be treated as equals is zero repercussions.
This is a pointless discussion, reddit tards don't understand situations like this or even geopolitics on a basic level.
1 acctforbrowsing 2018-06-12
Except for you mr. pizzashill, you are enlightened and have all the answers that the normal reddit tards outside their ivory tower do not posses.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
No, I don't know stuff about a lot of subjects. So you know what? I avoid those subjects. I don't pretend to understand every subject, I don't get in arguments in relation to subjects I know nothing about.
Which seems to be a favorite pass time of retards on /r/drama.
1 acctforbrowsing 2018-06-12
Yet here you are...
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
Dude you are arguing about National Diplomacy while living in a trailer in Florida come on.
You even say
With literally no understanding of all the times just this happened rofl
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Can you please provide proof that I live in a trailer in Florida?
Sorry, this can't continue until you support the claim you've made.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
Are you kidding
What does if me being right about if you live in a trailer or not have to do with my claims rofl
You are really so lacking in social interaction you've never experienced the male bonding of shit talking others states wow
Feel free to explain how you the genius NEET who lives in Florida knows so much about North Korean Negotiation tactics rofl
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You have 1 more reply to provide proof I live in a trailer/am a NEET.
If you fail to do so you will be dismissed and likely blocked. I'm going to hold you to the claim you've made.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
Lmao you're such a card Pizza
Imagine going this far out of your way instead backing up your views on North Korean diplomacy tactics
Why don't I need to provide proof you are a genius too?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You were given 2 replies to support the claim you made. Because you failed to do so, you are now dismissed.
Better luck next time, and in the future, avoid making claims you can't support.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
lmao you're so silly, you don't even understand that you were the one I was asking to back up your claim of inside knowledge of North Korean diplomacy even though i've repeated it several times now
Dismissed
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You know, in the end, when NK doesn't denuclearize, and for the 9th time they lied, I'm going to come back here and mock you. I'll be saving this comment.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
It's really not healthy to obsess over me like this
65 War over because of President Trump and you think I care if they denuclearize lol
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
If they don't denuclearize the war isn't over. I really hope you aren't actually this dumb dude.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
You're actually dumb enough to think the Pakistan-India War is still going on because they both have nukes
Wew, first you posted about how Trump was going to upset NK leading them to escalate the war now the war is a trivial matter and South Korea wasn't actually in danger of being shelled by mortars because of Trump
Lmao NK literally stopped talking to SK
You are sure showing me how much of a genius you are and aware of how Diplomacy with Nuclear states works today, you can't even handle interacting with another person but sure you know better then the guy who brokered Peace lol
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Alright, I'm really not in the mood to deal with you and your extreme learning disability today.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
Wow you go back to those old tracks again every time you get upset because you argue like a child, how just surprising.
The guy who says wars aren't over because a country has nukes think's he's a genius and literally everyone else is stupid how surprising.
"It's all due to SK but NK isn't going to get rid of their nukes even though they had a deal with the Government I just said was responsible for everything"
You're either hilariously uninformed or just have no idea at all about these peace talks lol
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-06-12
with whom? NK is already ostracized from every country except China.
So you don't think nukes are a real valid political bargaining chip? We throw ours around like they're dollar poker chips.
Meeting with someone = being equals is laughable, fucking political aesthetic nonsense.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
Uh Iran and Pakistan offer them support in the form of nuclear scientists and missile technology.
The do a bit of trade with India too.
1 high_side 2018-06-12
Tough negotiator.
1 UmmahSultan 2018-06-12
How about those POWs that they got nothing in return for? Good faith actions to establish trust is useful diplomacy.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You know all of that was in the lead up to this meeting, right? The meeting was what they got for the POWs.
I'm done with this shit. If morons want to get bamboozled by NK for the 25th time, then so be it.
1 UmmahSultan 2018-06-12
OK, so then Trump is going to ask Kim to do something later on the basis of "well we stopped doing dress rehearsals for the invasion of your country". This kind of give and take isn't exceptional, and frankly it seems to be working better than the Bush/Obama method of making vain demands that gets laughed off.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
I highly suggest you read on the history of NK and the deals/talks we've had with them.
The main problem here is people seem to be hilariously misinformed.
1 UmmahSultan 2018-06-12
No, everybody knows that North Korea wantonly backed out of their commitments in 2008, and that they'll do the same again at the first possible opportunity. That doesn't change the fact that the US is ultimately better off too.
1 shallowm 2018-06-12
They weren't POWs, they were just prisoners.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
You know Obama had 10 hostages released under his presidency right? I guess North Korea didn't really have 10 hostages, just the 3 so maybe it's unfair comparison.
1 nanonan 2018-06-12
How do you propose establishing peace in Korea without meeting with NK?
1 Fiat-Libertas 2018-06-12
This lol. Every war ever ended by meeting with your enemy
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Literally just dumb.
Trump just got bent over on the national stage by a dictator of a tiny, poor country.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
WE GOT A LIVE ONE HERE FOLKS! Do not downvote, upvote this glorious cuck.
1 preserved_fish 2018-06-12
Are you still nattering on about CTR? Might as well blame SRS. We're on to the deep-state friends.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
I think the issue is we giving into demands and conditions.
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
REEEEEEEEEE COMPROMISE
1 rockidol 2018-06-12
What does the US get out if it?
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
A denuclearized North Korea hopefully.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
So, just a repeat of 2007? Or what we pretty much were going to have anyway since their nuke tunnel collapsed ?
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
If we don't think they're following through we can easily restart training with SK. I'd be mad if he pulled troops out of SK, but this seems like the bare minimum we do if it brings us closer to a nuke free NK.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
Denuclearisation on the Korean peninsula is generally defined by North Korea as the removal of all US military bases, equipment and soldiers from both South Korea and Japan with the elimination of the USA nuclear umbrella that covers North Korea.
So I guess that was probably a word that they should have defined in the agreement.
1 SpotNL 2018-06-12
I see this is your first North Korean rodeo. Best thing to do is expect to get nothing from NK.
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-06-12
You could say that about anything
1 klixxxxx 2018-06-12
Avoiding war with nk potentially
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
lol, NK isn't going to war with anyone. They can'y feed or supply their army and most would defect soon as they could.
1 klixxxxx 2018-06-12
The us would attack them I meant.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
LoL, so we have to concede so we don't attack them?
1 klixxxxx 2018-06-12
you should just go to nk they’d all get cancer from reading your posts and the problem would be solved
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
No.
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
REEEEEEEEEE COMPROMISE
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Lol, how is it compromise when we are getting nothing in return?
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
Could you sperg out any harder about this? You're all over this thread screeching about how someone made a necessary compromise for a potential path to peace. Get over yourself autismo.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Answering a question with a ' YA SPURGIN' BRO' the quality autist answer.
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
I had already answered the question. You responded to my answer of the question.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
But there is nothing right now, just optics. US basically sucked NKs dick for the possibility of talking about a deal. Thats it, Trump took a big load and swallowed for the possibility of talking about perhaps making a deal.
1 LightUmbra 2018-06-12
The US president and the NK leader meeting is not nothing. This is much more of a chance than we have ever had to have a nuke free NK. Just be happy for once.
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-06-12
In exchange of denuclearization, why are you people ignoring this lmao
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Mainly because this is not the first time I've been alive and this shit has happened. Also, they are pretty much denuked now, their testing site collapsed and there is even speculation most of their nuke scientists died.
Either way, I hope this works, but doesn't mean I have to like the fact the US prez is on his knees sucking off Kim to get it done.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-12
Using their propaganda points certainly is not smart.
As for the war games, as long as planning and recon remain in close contact the physical drills aren't all that useful... Although personally I'd like to get a little more out of giving those up.
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
The Donald wouldn't have existed. If Hilary won, I will put money they would have banned it.
1 rockidol 2018-06-12
If Hillary won, the donald would be all about fanboying over Trump and his twitter account and his attempts to stay in the spotlight, and conspiracy theories about Hillary. So not that much different from what it is other than more anger and bitterness over not winning (or being happy that a republican congress isn't letting a Democrat get anything done).
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
They're not making any money off it. Selling gold to weird Trump supporters is not a profitable ad market and by default your ads can't appear with them.
1 Chicup 2018-06-12
They were making money off it, until reddit censored it.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-06-12
r/politics is insufferable yet it reflects the way amerifats think. After Trump won the election the GOPers decided that the economy was doing great and that deficits are good. And r/politics suddenly loved the TPP when Daddy killed it.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
That is the way both /r/politics AND /r/the_donald is. They hate/love something until daddy Hate/Loves it.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Fucked up part is when they aren't just meming and shitposting you probably see more variation in opinion in the_donald.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-06-12
/r/Politics is like half non-Americans. That's one of the reason that a site which skews incredibly white and incredibly male is so far left.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
So is /r/The_Donald
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Just an FYI, most of /r/politics was in favor of TPP before Trump killed it and they were in favor of it during the election.
The only people that weren't were the Berntards which are a fraction of the democratic party.
Most Democrats fit in the "neoliberal" spectrum and are in support of free trade and trade deals.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-06-12
TBH, even in a world where the DNC rigged it, Berntards deserve it anyway.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
This might blow your mind, but people saying mean things about Beanie sanders is not a "rigging."
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
Yeah, this is correct. Unrestricted free trade is inherently good and any restrictions are impermissible statism.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
RC's think it is shit too. No matter who is doing it. Obama or Trump, it is stupid.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Adding onto the flip thing, look at the Iran nuke deal. Right is against it because it was Obama who did it, if it was Trump they would be jerking off to how great it was.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-06-12
Why would you say that? It's the opposite type of deal in a number of ways. The Iran deal allows a non-nuclear power to potentially become one, while this deal is about disarming an existing nuclear power.
I've seen this statement twice today and I genuinely don't understand it.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
It was allowing them to become nuclear powered. There is a difference, you cannot weaponize a nuclear powerplant.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-06-12
Both require uranium enrichment, which is the difficult part of producing a nuclear weapon.
But that doesn't answer my question. How are the deals similar? The only thing I can find is that they both remain unclear on the actual execution and understanding of some key points.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Both are deals, well, one WAS a deal that had the prevention of nuclear weapons. The difference is, Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons but wanted nuclear power, they were getting pretty close to having both so US made a deal FOR nucelar power but no weapons. So basically, prevention of nukes.
NK already has nuclear weapons This deal is to get them to not make anymore.
Basically. I could be wrong.
1 nanonan 2018-06-12
It was a shithouse temporary deal that let them continue their ICBM research.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
There's a reason pretty much the entire world supported the Iran deal and the only people that didn't were right-wing crazies and people with a vested interest in war.
Unless you're willing to claim the entire world is biased against you, you're going to have to admit you and your GOP talking points are just not true.
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
War is not good unless it is to bring democracy or open markets or some other good reason
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
Which they can still do now and have begun enriching uranium again. Good thing America pulled out of the deal!
1 Arthanias 2018-06-12
When the deal was still active there was no development of nuclear weapons going on in Iran, and they were only enriching to the degree necessary for power generation. Only when the US started shitting all over the deal did Iran start ignoring the parts that binded them.
1 nanonan 2018-06-12
So they had no goodwill or intention to actually stop then.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
Aside from the fact that they were certified as in compliance with the deal every three months by congress.
Trump then refused to hold up his end of the deal so asking the Iranians to hold up theirs seems a bit silly.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
What the fuck do you think they are doing now? Plus even more since they are not bound by the deal that kept them from weaponizing nukes?
1 Arthanias 2018-06-12
You realize the degree to which Uranium is enriched for power generation is a far cry from weapons-grade uranium, right?
1 Plexipus 2018-06-12
Because there isn't a "deal" yet with North Korea. As a Verified Daddy Hater (TM) I actually think this meeting with North Korea is a step in the right direction, and I think it could become a major achievement of the Trump Administration, but it isn't one yet. Right now it's just a statement of fluff and platitudes.
The Iran deal is what the messy reality of negotiations look like, and if you think the outcome of that deal was to let Iran become a nuclear power you're just touting the Fox News line on it and next you'll be saying they were unloading cargo planes full of palettes of money from C47s to give to radical clerics or whatever the bullshit line was
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
The Iran deal had actual steps to allow people to enforce it. It required Iran to disable the majority of their centrifuges and dispose of the vast majority of their uranium. The IAEA had 24/7 monitoring in old nuclear sites and could with 24 days notice visit anywhere in the country.
Since leaving Iran has announced they're beginning to enrich uranium again.
The North Korean deal doesn't define denuclearisation and has absolutely no steps to enforce that.
This isn't really surprising. The Iran deal took literal years to work out. Trump spent 4 hours in a meeting.
Also North Korea has made a pledge for complete denuclearisation before. This is actually the 8th time they've done it. Iran was in compliance with the deal. That's why Trump had to say things like they were in violation of the spirit of the agreement. So basically Iran was actually complying. North Korea lies all the time about this and America fell for it again.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Also I think it is strange their nuclear site collapsed then they suddenly come around for a deal. I wonder if they lost some scientists and it all got set back. They did shit like this in 1994 to get some aide they desperately needed.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
They blew up their reactor in 2007 but that didn't really slow them down.
I've got two theories on this which are based on absolutely nothing:
China told them to knock that shit off. The mountain's been more and more unstable and a collapse would shower China with radioactive ash.
The nukes just work. You don't need a test site if your stuff works.
1 rockidol 2018-06-12
The problem with that is that sometimes one party really is to blame for something or is just wrong about an issue.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-12
Obama did it twice, Bush did it a few times, Clinton did it. The worst bit is they haven't even come up with a new plan.
If it was like the time they kidnapped South Korean film makers to direct a North Korean version of Godzilla, I can understand falling for that because that's ridiculous and no one would believe it was true.
This plan is just a two part plan though and it hasn't changed in 30 years.
Say you'll give up nukes.
Don't.
For the 8th time America has fallen for it.
1 dnkndnts 2018-06-12
More like the true path to getting drunk on weekday evenings.
1 Vegan_dogfucker 2018-06-12
You caught me.
1 Russiangreyman 2018-06-12
A good chunk of liberals are yes. Conservatives may not be the brightest but they're a hell of alot easier to get along with.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Liberals and Conservatives are pretty much a-ok. The extremist, way wacky lefts and rights are annoying as fuck.
1 rockidol 2018-06-12
Also this is the internet, I guarantee at least half the people saying they're shaking with rage/glee over such and such have a much less intense opinion when discussing it IRL.
1 Imgur_Lurker 2018-06-12
Imagine being autistic enough to talk Politics in public
1 high_side 2018-06-12
/u/WindyCityBluez are you such a pussy that you don't want genocide?
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Funny thing is, they are doing this with Iran and only doing it with Iran because Obama made the deal and not Trump.
1 HumbertHumbertTekken 2018-06-12
Typical liberals on reddit. They'd rather see Trump fail then accomplish anything good for America or the world. Tribalistic fucks.
1 high_side 2018-06-12
Damn those tribalist libtards.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
That horseshoe theory thing. Shit happened with the Obama-man with the alt-right. Especially the fucking tea party, holy shit those guys were annoying when they sprang up.
1 HumbertHumbertTekken 2018-06-12
Both sides are guilty of it. I actually want what's best I wasn't a fan of Obama but when he did something good for America I was happy.
1 _Suprememe_ 2018-06-12
When Obama tried to patch things up with Cuba on his way out I was behind it 100%. Trump going full retard on Cuba because of this was a notable casualty of partisan idiocy.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Anything Obama touches he wants to destroy.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
If you actually watch a youtube video of people being interviewed at a tea party rally, they come off as respectable taxpayers for the most part. Maybe not the brightest bunch but decent people. Seriously, go watch a video and then compare them to the angry and unhinged people you at a anti-Trump rally. You might be surprised at how stark the contrast is between the two groups.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
I was there, at the time THAT was nutty and weird. Now it has evolved into something completely more whacko
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Yeah, now let's compare Trumptards from Trumptard rallies:
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html
1 higashiline 2018-06-12
You really think that NYT video is a good example of your average Trump voter?
That's a selection of a dozen skitzos complied from over more than a years worth of footage.
That's like going to /r/fullcomunism and thinking that those people are the average Bernie voter.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Funny how recordings of Trumptards at their rallies isn't evidence for them being crazy, but a fraction of people showing up to Trump rallies to protest is evidence for the opposite.
1 higashiline 2018-06-12
you're fucking dense
if you go to a rally to either support or protest you're not the average representative of the political party you support, you're just a loon.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
That's the fucking point you moron.
My comment was in response to someone trying to claim anti-Trump protesters were somehow evidence the left was crazy while the right isn't.
1 higashiline 2018-06-12
You misunderstood my comment then
also
WHY DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE SO MUCH?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
How do I hate black people?
1 higashiline 2018-06-12
Don't you dare deny it, we all know
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
Proof?
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
"Every hard-working Joe who was outraged by the back-to-back trillion dollar bailouts for major banks was really just mad that Obama was black"
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You realize Trump ran on deregulating Wallstreet and, rolling back consumer protections, and sucking off those banks, right?
So if your argument is "they were angry over the banks" why did they elect someone that was more friendly to the banks, someone that would give said banks anything they wanted?
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
They weren't angry at the banks. They were angry at the government.
Capitalism isn't the problem, government is the problem. The people who were protesting wall street instead of Capitol Hill were clueless idiots.
Do you have any firsthand experience dealing with government regulation from the business side?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
So they're just dumb people? Do you have literally any idea how catastrophic letting those banks fail would have been?
You're really reaching here to deny the reality of why Trump appealed to so many people. The economy wasn't even the #1 issue for Trump voters on the exit polls, it was immigration.
Just so you know, when people say shit like this it's equally as retarded as when commies claim capitalism is absolutely bad. The people that run around claiming regulation is automatically bad are just as clueless as those commies.
Hot take: both are to blame. The government for not correctly regulating, and the bankers for reckless behavior.
Can you explain to me why exactly you think this question is a valid replacement for an argument?
Given the fact you're under the impression letting your financial sector collapse was somehow the right choice, I suspect you aren't exactly a rational actor.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Yea, you sound like an idiot to me too.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
But here's the thing, I'm not the one making wild claims with no actual support.
You're here trying to claim the government should have let the financial sector collapse as if that's a valid strategy and trying to pretend the very obvious racial elements of Trump and his campaign don't actually exist and the voters were really just mad over the bailout.
So either the voters are just highly misinformed people, or race played a large role in the 2016 election, and the racial argument has actual data and research supporting it.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
I'm not sure where you got the impression that I've addressed Trump or his supporters anywhere in our conversation. Must have imagined it.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You did though. I said "they started electing crazies because a black guy won an election"
You tried to respond it was over the bailout. These same people are the ones that elected Donald Trump.
They are his base.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
I was talking about the early days of the tea party.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
And what I said still applies. There are serious racial tones within the tea party.
For example:
https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers/threats-racial-status-promote-tea-party-support-among-white
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
I'm not up to date with the Tea Party. I assume it's been ridiculous for years.
I agree that there are racial undertones in Trump's approach. They are rather subdued compared to the heavy racial overtones of the Democratic Party.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
It wasn't co-opted. Just so you know. Wealthy people have been using tactics like this since the very start. They use racial resentments as a veil for their actual agenda.
It's easier to get people to agree with your platform of dismantling the government and selling it to the highest bidder when you hide it behind racial resentments.
It's why Reagan's "welfare queen" line was so popular. Or stuff like this:
And there's research that supports this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/30/white-americas-racial-resentment-is-the-real-impetus-for-welfare-cuts-study-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ffe5015d944b
Yes, the democratic party are the real racists. Not the people getting busted for racial voter suppression, not the people linking fake crime stats on twitter.
Look, this kind of shit doesn't work on anyone outside of the US. The idea that the democratic party is somehow racist because they bring up racism in America is a special kind of delusion.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Outside of getting help from the government, what would you recommend that poor black people do to increase their odds of making it in the world?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
The poor, in general, should be given ane qual opportunity to succeed.
That is not the case in this country. Strong social safety nets are required to guarantee a fair shot. Being born poor in this country is a staggering disadvantage.
And framing this as black people only is wrong - while these people use racial resentments to fuel their agenda, millions of poor white people live below the poverty line and require social safety nets as well.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
I'll ask again. Outside of getting help from the government, what would you recommend that poor black people do to increase their odds of making it in the world, for themselves and their children?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
There is nothing they can do because being trapped in a perpetual, multi-generation long cycle of extreme poverty is impossible to overcome on any real level without intervention.
Giving them an equal chance to succeed in life and lifting a generation out of poverty is what needs to happen. That is how you break the cycle.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Do you work?
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Do you work full-time?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
You seem really desperate to fish for ad hominems in place of addressing any arguments made here.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
When was the first?
1 pizzashill 2018-06-12
When you tried to ask me if I had any experience dealing with regulations.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-12
Well, it seems relevant to a conversation about regulations.
Just as supporting yourself seems relevant to a conversation about supporting yourself.
But whatever. I'm tired of this. Nie talking with you. Have a good night.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-06-12
Southern whites are degenerates
1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2018-06-12
At least the Tea Party was hilarious, a bunch of old angry white dudes yelling about the gays and vidya, whiny mayo millennials who bitch about the straights and vidya are not amusing, they're just annoying.
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
More baby boomers and some internet meme throwing millenials.
1 TheVeryNicestPerson 2018-06-12
They don't even realize we're just withdrawing our troops from the area so when we nuke the shit out of NK none of our guys get caught in the fallout. Trust me I just got off the phone with Daddy.
1 SpotNL 2018-06-12
A-are you Q???
1 le_epic_xd 2018-06-12
He is better : he is 🅱️
1 newcomer_ts 2018-06-12
That whole peaceful dove display totally proves Hilary was supplying ISIS with weapons from Libya.
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
She definitely would never do that! Hillary is the most qualified
1 Warriorsln4 2018-06-12
Muh Russia!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-12
DINDU NUFFIN!
1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2018-06-12
Putin did nothing wrong.
1 AsukaRyou 2018-06-12
This is more retarded speculation than post-game sports shows. Why do these people think they know something the government doesn't?
1 Harsh_Truth22 2018-06-12
These motherfuckers turned into the warmongering neo-cons they hated so much
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Something something horseshoes.
1 itsrattlesnake 2018-06-12
Weren't they flipping out about warmongerin' Trump scheduling war games in the first place a couple months ago?
1 EmperorNickyT 2018-06-12
Damn the Daddy Defense Force has assembled in here. Why so fragile guys? I thought you had embraced your meme president and loved all his blunders and foibles. It’s more funny than trying to spin any of this into a win, it must hurt your brains. Please stop before you give yourselves an aneurysm
1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2018-06-12
Triggered Drumpftards rekt big epic style.
1 SocialJusticeYamcha 2018-06-12
Td out in full force
1 TruthPains 2018-06-12
Daddy Defense force came out strong tonight. Not realizing this shit has been going on and on and on and on for decades. It might work, it might not.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2018-06-12
LOOKS LIKE PIZZA'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
I agree with all the smart negotiators in this thread who realize that Drumph is a FRAUD!
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
I am not triggered
1 Deity_Of_Death 2018-06-12
r/politics is.
1 pozzedshill 2018-06-12
Fuck you, Trumptard. Get an education and stop fucking your sister.