This is a nice post and all, but I'm guessing that the only reason anyone is even arguing about this because these people believe 3D is superior to 2D.
nooo3949 13 points 5 hours ago
There you have it folks. You travel the road by salsa dancing your way to pussytown.
Meanwhile, all women have to do is exist. Nothing else is required to find a partner.
Who gives a shit if it's easier to get laid as a woman. Deal with it, that's reality. I don't even care if you want to be a virgin but holy shit stop whining about it on the internet when it's 100% your own fault. These people are just insulating themselves from reality.
If they can convince themselves that the only reason they're incels is the way they look, they'll never have to do anything to improve, which means they'll be able to keep whining on Reddit about how unfair life is and how the roasties won't sleep with them.
Either play the game or fuck off. If you aren't going to play it, stop whining about it.
Saying it's "easier to get laid as a woman" is like saying "it's cheaper to eat at Arby's than at a 5-star restaurant."
Yeah, when you're a woman the option is there to get fucked whenever, but it's some straight-up Arby's dick. The idea that we have all these "Chads" and "bad boys" ready to come over and pound us raw on demand is kind of bullshit.
Even when it comes to "Chads," you learn pretty quickly not to fuck them because they're dumb as shit and always ghost you.
Plus, a lot of millennial-aged men today are awkward as fuck and have zero fucking social skills, even the hot ones. Hence, waiting for them to hit on you is pointless, so you have to initiate it, and even then they get all dense and nervous and creepy.
Long story short, their perception of how women actually date/fuck is highly inaccurate.
Can you write up some of your more awkward encounters and explain to incels why they were awkward? I'm sure it will help them understand and improve their lives and you'll get to feel like a good person for once. Or they'll bitch like always and create a bunch of funny drama. Either way you win.
It's not specifically incels who are awkward, TBH. People live on their phones and don't interact in person as much as they used to. I feel like trying to flirt or strike up a conversation as a millennial in general is just fucked.
If incels had even a fucking bit of self-awareness, they'd recognize this. Like it's not just you bro.
Under a thick mask of irony, their first in-person encounter is tortuously awkward. Within hours, their volley of pop culture references become tiresome and forced, even for them. The mask becomes heavy, cheeks strained from manufactured smiles. He has said all the right things, but there are no upvotes in this dark bar, the playful art of witty conversation seems less fun without an audience.
Now the time has come to seal the deal, but does he even like her? He knows he should be attracted to her, I mean, her cunning wit lands in the perfect rhythm. Yet, he feels nothing. This doesn't feel like love at all, this doesn't feel like... anything.
That makes it easier tho. You have less competition and people will think you're confident and outgoing purely because you're the one that broke the awkwardness. If they don't respond, they don't respond, just go on to the next person
The core message of the incel Black Pill I think the most accurate of all 'dating' schools-of-thought. The secondary and tertiary implications are often extreme and ridiculous, but the root issue is quite serious, getting worse every day, and is leading to some social upheaval.
The incels are not the only group talking about the EFFECTS of the Black Pill. But they are the only group, in my opinion, honest about the core issue.
The TradCons have their version. The Femme writers(Cosmo, Amy Horton, etc) have their version. The Red Pillers and MGTOWs have their version. The White Nationalists scream loudly about their version(the incels even joke about them as StormCels).
The brutal honest of the Black Pill's core message causes me to respect the incels more than most online communities.
Tbf, probably more people would be sympathetic to incels if they weren't constantly whining and crying about the "roasties" riding the "cock caroussel"
It's one thing to point out that society gives people unreasonable expectations. It's another thing to advocate essentially for "restricting" female sexual freedom again, like I've seen some of the galaxybraincels do (especially the muslimcucks over at /r/MaleForeverAlone )
Those op-ed articles advocating for sexual redistribution are at least pretty interesting thought experiments even if considered batshit by some, but it's mostly the hysterical REEEEing about the roasties that makes incels look so extremely pathetic.
The Cock Carousel term came from the Red Pill community, which is related to the incel community, but they are quite hostile to each other, in general. I take the incel side in that conflict, the Red Pillers are extreme "cope" in my view.
I agree with the sentiment of your post, as a third party. But, I also think the incels are correct in not caring about what wider society thinks of them. Sympathy is all they could expect, along with co-option.
I predict the incel culture will evolve and begin to spit out Hezbollah-like organizations which will be extremely militant. The sexual redistribution won't remain thought experiments. It will be violently achieved.
One poster on the incels website said, "Normies are only paying attention to us because we are KILLING them", referring to the van attack and school shootings. Unfortunately for polite Normie society, the incels are probably the most intelligent fringe group around. I suspect this is because the selection for inceldom is primarily lacking facial aesthetics whereas all other qualities might be randomly distributed.
As applied hypergamy grows, the incel ranks well swell with better and better human capital.
I predict the incel culture will evolve and begin to spit out Hezbollah-like organizations which will be extremely militant. The sexual redistribution won't remain thought experiments. It will be violently achieved.
You think guys who by their own admission are scrawny, small and incapable of interacting with other human beings offline are going to band together to create the next ISIS?
Unfortunately for polite Normie society, the incels are probably the most intelligent fringe group around.
You're confusing autism for intellect. If they were intelligent, they'd figure out how to better their situation.
Or they'll bitch like always and create a bunch of funny drama.
Yeah 99.9% it's gonna be this one. Any suggestion to incels for getting gussy that involves any more delay of gratification than a fucking click of a button will get you ostracized and chased away on that sub.
The only solution these dweebs might ever be satisfied with would be if there were a version of Pornhub where instead of pr0n, you'd get an actual ho dropped on your lap. And even then, they'd manage to find a way to bitch about Chad (why do I have to go to a website to get some low quality roastie when Chad does weekly threesomes with Becky and Stacy from our college's cheerleader squad? I bet Becky and Stacy moan a lot more convincingly than this 3/10 sloot).
hell they could get a nice escort or a Russian mail order bride if they really did the bare minimum of effort and really cared about getting laid, but that still is a lot harder than whining about how unfair life is on the interwebz and worshiping a school shooter.
I know how it is to feel unfuckable but goddamn do I not understand how incels' minds work.
physical sex isn't really what they are craving, although they might not even realize this or be able to articulate it. they want to be loved and wanted, they want to feel like they matter to someone, and they want to get validation the way society gives it out. society gives it out in other ways too but they're also teens/early-20s and constantly horny so this is the one they fixate on.
they want to be chad, not because chad gets pussy, but because chad is popular and cool. society says dudes who get pussy are cool and accomplished, so they obsess about getting pussy as the hallmark for being accepted, since in their own lives, they are unwanted, rejected, and alone.
most of them would feel better if they got some nice friends and stuff, rather than obsessing over sex, which is pretty overrated. relationships are also overrated tbh, quite a few of them are horrible and filled with drama, or just plain boring and the people are only staying in them to not be lonely.
rather than obsessing over sex, which is pretty overrated. relationships are also overrated tbh, quite a few of them are horrible and filled with drama, or just plain boring and the people are only staying in them to not be lonely.
I mean, that's true but you do realize that you're saying this because you have experience and perspective. It sounds a bit rich when someone who's had it says that it doesn't matter at all.
never said it doesn't matter at all, just that it's overrated. it's not worth being absolutely fucking miserable because you can't have it, and anyone who has had these things would agree.
it's just that incels literally ignore any perspective that isn't in their echo chamber.
Ever thought of the fact that echo chambers are born when other people not belonging to the group have nothing to contribute and, in fact, annoy you with the same shit over, and over, and over, and over...
it's not worth being absolutely fucking miserable because you can't have it, and anyone who has had these things would agree.
They would agree because they have it or had it. You cannot chose to stop being miserable at a snap of the fingers, bby. I mean shit, it's drama but essentially what you are saying is "stop being depressed".
i guess you're an incel cause no one goes to these weird lengths to defend those stupid morons.
stop going to those echo chambers, actually listen to people who have experience with these things, if they say it's not the be all and end all, then believe them.
also i was "incel" until i was like 22, they just didn't have a word for it and i didn't go to sad groups that bitched about it all day. as a result, i had a decent life and wasn't miserable and suicidal.
turns out if you sit around bitching about what your life lacks, you are miserable. if you just enjoy life in any way you can and don't focus on your short comings and things you have no access too, you can be happy.
it's just that incels literally ignore any perspective that isn't in their echo chamber. they are convinced they should "LAY DOWN AND ROT" cause they can't have casual sex or a qt gf, anything else is "COPE".
Eh, that's not how it works either. When you try to mock someone, learn their shit before looking like a fool, lel.
i've gone periods of fucking 3 years or more with no sex with women, and no girlfriends.
i just wish you incels would fuck off back to your own subs. this is /r/drama, not an "i can't get laid waaaah" club. why did you guys start migrating here?
Maybe because I don't waaaaaaaah and spergout outside of the place where it's okay to do those things? I mean, I don't obscure my post history but that's only because the online shredder wasn't working and I was too lazy to deal with the script.
Am I triggering you baby? I don't recall you being that booty blasted over MDEtards or CTH chimps. They're here in great quantity too.
On the Internet everybody can claim everything. If it's true however - good for you! The fact that you're dating not only your hand is great. We're all proud of you.
what methods will you use tonight to help you cope that you don't have access to grand experiences like this?
well it's impressive to you, your whole life revolves around the fact you have no access to this. for me it's just a regular weekend night, not even that excited about it.
the date and conversation is often kinda boring. possibility of sex though makes it somewhat exciting. i don't do it often, i take long breaks from it from time to time.
so i just got back. she was like a 9 in person, way better than her pics looks. i feel like i fucked up the date by being awkward and weird. i feel utterly miserable and like i wanna hang myself. i'm good looking so it's not hard for me to get girls interested but im awkward as fuck. i feel like she is never going to talk to me again and just forced the niceness she showed on the date. sucks because the convos i had with her on bumble were so good and i came off as cool and charming, only to be a weird autist in person.
Dunno why I read this thread all the way but I did lol
Man, internet dating kinda sucks that way though. You're completely exposed with nothing really tangible to smooth the wheels. Honestly I think a giant part of the issue is that it's become the societal norm to completely separate romantic life from other aspects (which isn't an entirely bad thing).
And hey remember we remember being akward more than other people do usually you probs did alright.
yeah i was just massively over reacting. she is replying to my messages, hasn't unmatched me, still talking to me, i'll probs get a second date. i just go ape shit with paranoid and insecurity sometimes lol.
lol people always say that but it's such horseshit. i didn't get all through my teen years, i still didn't obsess over it and torment myself to the point of suicidal thoughts. you think not getting laid in your teen years is some unique experience that only happens to a few men? it's common as fuck.
i didn't get laid till 22, didn't get a gf till 24. i laugh when i see people saying that it's reasonable to be depressed over never getting laid, cause i lived that, and it just never bothered me. i jerked off to porn and then did other shit that i enjoyed, i didn't sit online eating BLACK PILLS with a bunch of miserable losers.
Yeah. With all the VR HD 4K POV Girlfriend Experience Cosplay Waifu pr0n there is out there these days, even the horniest mofo should be able to get it under control
"Yeah but it's not real and not validating enough" yeah I get that dude but whining about the roasties is COPE that isn't gonna do jack shit for ya on that front, and the validation part has little to do with the physical "hhhhngggg tits n ass" caveman part.
Being an uptight little shit will do no favors to anyone. Get some psychological help and start talking to people independently of their fuckability levels. Even the ugliest or fattest mofo is much more palatable if they are relaxed, confident and able to laugh at themselves than if they are insecure dipshits, and that comes from sharpening social skills.
Braindead reality TV or retarded internet drama subs like this one are a direct result of people craving to confirm that there are much worse assholes or idiots out there to feel superior to. But if you can feel even a little okay with the fact that, maybe you are one of these doofuses right know, there is hope. Because it takes all kinds to populate the world. Plenty of fuckups still go through their day without being completely miserable. If you can do that and get some satisfaction from the fact that you're trying to get better then you're doing pretty good.
Finally, if you whine about Chad being an abusive prick and still slaying gussy: yeah, you shouldn't want to be like that and you shouldn't want to be with Beckies who are insecure or stupid flock to these shits. Does that leave out a good deal of the population? Sure, but gays have a very small dating pool and still manage to bang and have relationships, so what?
The problem is many of these dudes are so far up their own ass they couldn't recognize human decency if it bit them in the ass.
I mean Elliot Rodger himself had a mom who, if his autobiography is anything to go by, went out of her way to make him comfortable, cater to his needs and whims, and occasionally, tried to get him some real psychological help when things went south.
He still barely seems to acknowledge this as anything other than the absolute minimum standard of how he expects people to treat him. His dad's girlfriend tried to get him out of his comfort zone and he despised and resented her for it.
If you can't even properly acknowledge the efforts of your slave-mother (of course, smothering your kid like that is a very unhealthy, bad idea, but no one can deny she cared for him and validated him) than I don't know what he would have expected even if he managed to get a cute blonde interested in him.
I mean Elliot Rodger himself had a mom who, if his autobiography is anything to go by, went out of her way to make him comfortable, cater to his needs and whims, and occasionally, tried to get him some real psychological help when things went south.
He still barely seems to acknowledge this as anything other than the absolute minimum standard of how he expects people to treat him. His dad's girlfriend tried to get him out of his comfort zone and he despised and resented her for it.
And thats the problem. Spoiling kids.
In brazil we beat kids with flip flops and they turn out perfectly fine, like me 😎
Haha. Beatings with a leather belt are rightly confined to the past, but a light, proportional slap with the palm of your hand when your sprout is being a little shit might yet prove to not be the worst thing ever.
for me anyway, i never really enjoyed it. i do it cause i'm horny and it's there, but it always feels empty. i agree that relationships never did anything but make me miserable, but the sex was always better with someone i know, trust, and feel comfortable around. casual sex just feels like masturbating with the soulless husk of another strangers body to me , it feels odd and somewhat creepy.
really i have no idea how to deal with that, i hate relationships but the sex within them is still the best sex i ever had. idk, man, this got too deep for me to talk about on drama, but i wish i could kill my sex drive and desire for love totally.
The obsessive quest for sex and romantic relationships is ultimately, all cope.
All one needs in life is to maintain a healthy social circle, so that you don't end up dying alone and stinking up the apartment complex until they find your decomposing body. You need some people to care about and be cared about by. Whether you stick your willy in some of them or not is up to your (and the person taking the willy's) discretion.
While sex is a lot of fun, it's only indispensable for producing the next batch of retards to populate society with. But, as I say increasingly often, fuck society. People can just adopt kids from third world shithole countries or orphanages (as the animal rights activists say: buy your pup from the shelter, not the breeder).
What they want is to be admired, loved, sought out, noticed, worshiped, laid, treated like Kings, recognized. Anything short of that will simply not do.
hell they could get a nice escort or a Russian mail order bride if they really did the bare minimum of effort and really cared about getting laid, but that still is a lot harder than whining about how unfair life is on the interwebz and worshiping a school shooter.
What's funny is they refuse because they want a woman who really wants to have sex with them.
Then bitch about how easy it is for fat chicks to get railed. Apparently getting whaled is way more dignified than paying a prostitute?
That's an interesting contrast, but something about it seems slightly off. Maybe something about the closed-system of whaling vs the semi-open system of prostitution? Sexual-energy only vs sexual/monetary-energy?
Sexual-energy I suppose is an open system as well if we include the conversion of money and time required for a guy to maintain a high level of aesthetic fitness.
I mean it's not a perfect analogy. But neither 3/10 chicks nor 3/10 guys are likely to find the kind of romance they really want, and their options will tend to be pretty big comprimises.
Depends on how we are defining '3's, but I think on the female side, there is much more to work with. The desperation of men in general is going to make things increasingly easier for them. The incels and other blackpillers actually have some research going on this.
The rules of civil society gives more tools to the woman, before she encounters social resistance. The typical male tools of overcoming this hurdle are frowned upon by my society at least(USA). PRostitution is by-and-large illegal, where as 'Foodie Calls' are not, just for one shallow example before we get into the gruesome stuff.
In fact, my society does something worse to tip the scales as generally speaking, women are a net-tax winner while men are net-tax losers. So indirectly, men are funding women that would never talk to them, much less have sex or relationships with them.
This makes whaling MUCH harder for sub-Chads. I had a Greenpeace-esque analogy, but it was tortured and I could not publish it.
This does not seem to be describing a mathematically possible situation.
I suppose it would work if a bunch of 5/10 women were happily sitting it all out posting on Buzzfeed and feeding their cats. But are they really happy?
The folk wisdom says the 10s are the ones that 'opt out', because they have no need to settle at all. NOt even male 10s are on their level(as a statistical group, it changes with age/weight primarily). This allows other women to 'bump up' the level of man they can attract, forming a 'fat tail' of informal polygamy.
The result on the male side, is that the bottom half of men essentially drop out altogether("no good men"). These men indirectly are the economic support for the female 10s buying the pornography, webcam minutes, whatever monetized items from the economically empowered 10s.
A female 5 married to a male 7.5 might be pretty happy, for a while. A female 3 married to a male 5 but serving as the 3rd tier sex partner of a philandering male 7.5 might be happier than we expect, but not in front of her husband.
I do not think attractiveness is Gaussian, at least not for ABSOLUTE aesthetics, related to facial proportions(the ratios you will find talked about in orthodontics and plastic surgery textbooks).
In terms of RELATIVE scale, as a statistically tautology, we can define a Gaussian distribution.
The raw number of even relative-scale 10s is less important than their outsized effect on the dating market. If one female 10 can keep 5 male '10s' from commiting to five female 9s(the males instead preferring to 'play the field' until their dreamgirl(the one 10) is available, the informal hypergamy/polygamy situation will play out. I think.
I think your comment missed the importance of 'informal polygamy'. At the risk of being sexist, some women prefer sharing the male 9(as a female 5) than being the only girl of a male 1-7. Or, they apply a dual-strategy, something being fetishized in cuckold porn today(married to a low score male, but still having sexual access to high score males).
Why the fuck are incels and some alt-righters so obsessed with cuckold pr0N? The way I've seen some people talk about it, it seems like people think it's not a fairly fringe fetish, but a mainstream vanilla thing that all of the "numales" in <CurrentYear> jerk off to.
It's not just them or the porn. The lifestyle is increasingly popular FORMALLY, alongside being dramatically popular informally. It's talked about in magazines that deal with sexuality and even rags like Psychology Today quite a bit.
I think it's a result of the cybernetics regarding sexuality. Practical men are taking Ovid's advice and letting nature take its course. Else, she leaves. I don't blame them.
Well, there's a difference between "look at this eccentric phenomenon" and something being hackshually relevant in real life.
At the watercooler at work, or even at the pub, I don't really hear men talk about how they can't wait to go home to watch the bull plow the wife, or women talking about prolonging hubby's stay in the cuckshed because he complained about her latest shopping spree.
You might be surprised. I qualify as a "Tyrone" by some measures, and I get propositioned several times a year. A friend of mine is much better looking(ex-NFL) and he regularly participates in this lifestyle.
I have participated in the fetish from both sides(cuck and bull) and I found it quite enjoyable.
This is only anecdote-for-anecdote, and I understand and agree with the sentiment in your post.
I'm starting to think you're an ingeniously subtle troll. But it could also be that your social circle is a bit strange, that 'Murica has gone more insane than I previously thought, or that I'm just a bluepilled cuck who needs to swallow dat big black pill.
I think the right-middle one is most accurate. Not sure if 'insane' is the word I would use, but things are changing. I think it's sexual pragmatism. The Roman poet Ovid had something to say about it (Ars Amatoria) appreciate the compliment and I have upvoted all your applies as they appeared.
The incels like to talk about the correlation of male sex rates to the rise of apps like Tinder. The charts posted on subs like r/BlackPillScience seem to give support for the CORRELATION at least. Not sure about the causation.
Take the OP, for example. The advice being made fun of is "just shower more and you'll get girls". And that advice isn't true for a lot of dudes. Mostly because due to the way the dating dynamic works, simply being of average attractiveness doesn't DO anything for dudes. For women, being of average attractiveness increases the rate at which guys ask them out, but since women rarely take the initiative to ask dudes out, well...
Or the horseshit "just learn to Salsa, bro". That's almost aggressively stupid advice.
That's misconstruing the advice. It is not the case that everyone who showers also gets girls. It is the case that everyone who gets girls also showers. There are certain bare essentials (hygeine, having an interesting hobby) that many of these incels almost certainly do not possess.
Look, i get it. It's fun to kick people when they're down. I do it too.
But at certain point, we do have to recognize that it is insulting to automatically assume, without any actual knowledge that people have bad hygiene.
I mean, what are we saying here? If you can't get laid, that's a sign that you are a bad person with bad hygiene? Messages like that from aociety at large are a large part of the reason why people like them go from slightly frustrated horny dudes into full on bitter assholes.
Who would have thought that strangers on the internet and your grandma give crappy advice? The answer is not to get bitter that people don't understand and can't fix your problems for you.
WTF is a female incel you retarded cuck? Femoids cannot be incel, only volcel.
fatcel is volcel, not looksmaxxing is volcel. If you lurked just 5 mins instead of talking out of your cute little ass 🍑❤, you'd have understood that people who have never put effort into themselves cannot be incel. You have no idea what it means to be an ugly male in a degenerate society.
That comment was meant to show off how much easier women have it in dating, it was a response to IncelTears who swear day and night that femoids have it just as hard. You didn't lurk the sub, misread a comment, and sperged out all over the place with, fuckin hell.
If ur Assface Man but have a ripping bod, then I'm pretty sure there'd at least be some /r/TrollXChromosomes browsing landwhales willing to bite. You'll just have to build a small collection of Doctor Who gifs to send to them, and pretend to read the feminist articles about "Emotional labor" they forward to you
If you're not willing to go for that then you're volcel. But, I'd rather be volcel than date a TrollX'er.
areas I've lived where the gender ratio was horrendous.
well, I can't disagree that that must be frustrating.
That reminds me of one those snopes-type stories that circulates on the webz. It's an explanation of the stereotypical notion that Russian women are basically the hottest b*tches on the planet: a shitload of (mostly) men were killed during WWII and during Soviet times (Stalin and alcoholism) which left a huge gender imbalance where even the most potato-faced Vlad just had the Svetlanas for the picking.
This might just be one of those PUA urban myths, but it's pretty undeniable that sausage fests suck if ur a sausage and bun fests suck if ur a bun.
I think I know story you mean, I've seen a version of it about France(French lover myth). Did some informal research on it a few years ago, the most interesting area for me was the Balkans during their troubles.
It makes a difference.
I agree with your last sentence BUT as I alluded to earlier, it's not just pure ratio. That will account for the RELATIVE rankings, but not for absolute aesthetic scores. I think this added bit of nuance is actually the missing piece from earlier analysis. Oddly enough, historically, this has been talked about, famously in Ancient Greece, and the Renaissance.
Ugly men, even in a city with a gender ratio in their favor, will still find it increasingly harder(rate of inceldom accelerating). The diagonal scenario seems, to me, to cause women to feel big pressure to relocate if the absolute scores of the men are below threshold. I call this the San Diego Effect.
Inspired by a Sausage Party dvd cover I saw at my local shopping mall the other day. Still haven't watched that film because it looks stupid as fuck (personal opinion)
"It might surprise you the type of guys I go for" she said. "athletic and tall guys" she said. That's why she's an incel, because she's an ugly person that is under the impression she's going to bag chads.
The female incel types fascinate me in a morbid way. I remember looking at some GC/femcel cross poster who talked about how low her standards were-job, average body, had his own place. Which at a glance, sure ok. But she was overweight, lived with her parents, and was a neet it turned out once you dug through her posts.
I feel like this would make for a terrific musical. The story of an incel who discovers the way of the salsa which becomes the solution of his inceldom. We should get Bernstein to write the music for it, unfortunately ...
Lifting weights is still the best way to increase confidence in my opinion. Learning a skill like playing guitar is nice and all but it doesn't make you look better, also you can't constantly show it off (without coming across like an asshole at least).
More than merely being attractive or being good at something, they don't realize the primary thing is "be interesting." Going on TRP you can find stories of guys going to clubs and not even dancing then afterwards getting pissed that the girls danced with other guys. They get mad when a woman who's done with her wild phase wants to settle down and be boring with their boring asses. Of course that happens, for the most part exciting guys get exciting girls.
It must not just be a romantic problem in their lives. They must be monumentally bored with themselves.
They get mad when a woman who's done with her wild phase wants to settle down and be boring with their boring asses.
Isn't that pretty much all people tho? My older brother was a total party gay throughout his 20s and slayed that bussy, but now at 31 he's doing the committed relationship and weekends spent at the farmer's market thing.
It’s a real black pill moment for the incel/red pill community when they realize that most of those women who “hit the wall” at 30 or whatever find some guy they like around that time and settle down and have kids, just like men of the same age.
It’s a real black pill moment for the incel/red pill community when they realize that most of those women who “hit the wall” at 30 or whatever find some guy they like around that time and settle down and have kids
You gotta go further. Thing is a bunch of these women make a lot of compromises they didn't make before. This specifically seems to be the concern for loser-ish guys who've come into money/stability who now try to get women previously out of their league, often those that got pump n dumped by the guys they tried chasing. The crux is that they get triggort when they realize they're not living like the Chad they've wanted to be, and instead playing the role of a provider.
Again, this is a specific group which seems to compose most of the manosphere.
This fear is actually pretty analogous to the fear women have of being used for sex then dumped. Not being loved uncompromisingly and instead being used to obtain something the other partner wants.
Nail, meet head. I think a lot of those "cells" are genuinely horrific people whose saving grace to humanity writ large is their selfish laziness, but most are guys with intimacy fears they think only they have. Because they don't have the tools to identify the root issues in themselves and society it turns into resentment.
The problem with the more resentful creepcels (not the guys who just can't get laid) is that they seem to be unwilling to realize the roasties have their own sets of problems. A bit like those manhating harpy legbeards who smugly get out the "male tears" mugs when someone dares to bring up any hurdle in life that affects men more than women. So the "pump n dump" fear is totally handwaved away.
I'm ambivalent at best about the whole MRA thing but that Warren Farrel did kinda make a salient point. If women are often seen as sex objects, then men are often treated as success objects, and it's daft to whine and cry about one while downplaying and poopoo-ing the other.
Unfortunately, as long as people have any standards whatsoever and want anything more out of a relationship than just the right to change your Facebook status from "Single", people will bitch about not living up to the Draconian standards of the people they're attracted to.
The problem with the more resentful creepcels (not the guys who just can't get laid) is that they seem to be unwilling to acknowledge the roasties have their own sets of problems.
You're on a damn roll preach brotha. I'd go a step further and say those sorts are oblivious to anyone else's triumphs and tribulations. I'm probably what they call a "chad" and man it's better than the alternative but far from fun at times. They want the illusion of a silver bullet for happiness easy street, not the cold but rewarding trudge that is relationship building, compromise, compassion, and yes reshaping expectations.
I'm ambivalent at best about the whole MRA thing but that Warren Farrel did kinda make a salient point. If women are often seen as sex objects, then men are often treated as success objects, and it's daft to whine and cry about one while downplaying and poopoo-ing the other.
Here's where I see them coming from, ish at least in my own experience. Not so much "success" objects (because few women are gold diggers like that and are more reasonable about what they want from a partner) but that there seems to be a mismatch of expectations for modern manhood.
I can see some that start off their dating career wanting to be kind, supportive, the works so they lend emotional support for some that readily abuse it (either through outright malice or just absent mindedness). I do think society reinforces this and really discourages men from protecting themselves emotionally is pretty strong. So they get bitter that their minimal emotional investment doesn't pan out. But there comes a point to readjust actions in conformity and pushback of norms to better suit your (and those around you) needs, which is a lifelong project.
Yeah ofc men and women both do this(to varying extents). Especially guys in more conservative families who fuck around and go hard for a while then get married to some quiet, agreeable chick that hasn't seen much action. Thing is, these guys never got that. They think they're gonna get the super carefree fun version of these girls that wouldn't go for em earlier, and get pissed that she's focused on being just being boring and long term relationship oriented. They're being married cause they're stable and agreeable for the most part, not because they're super exciting. The anger is that the reasons she went for Chad aren't the reasons they went for them. It's their own fault though, if they're boring their whole lives that's what they're gonna get in the end.
Ofc this only describes a subset of all relationships, and a lot of people find a partner that checks off most of their boxes.
plenty of people are in relationships in their 20s. it's a weird reddit myth that literally everyone screws around through their teens and 20s and suddenly wants to settle down and 30. i spend my whole 20s in a relationship, all my friends are in and out of relationships since high school.
idk where the fuck these people get their view of the world but they must not know many people. only a small minority are obsessed with screwing around so much they avoid relationships throughout their youth.
It's a very skewed perception that I feel pornography/pop culture/social media plays into. The guys that don't get out end view the world through the internet which funnels all the hypersexual content that they are FOMOing hard about. Also there are specific demographics involved which respresent a small slice of society.
yeah true. their entire exposure to women is following instagram thots, titty streamers, and watching porn. women are not as slutty as they think they are IRL, or at least, it's just a much smaller minority of women than they think. most girls want relationships even in their early 20s, or at least that was my experience.
You are right. But I think every guy knows a couple of popular assholes who brag about banging qt's left and right, and I'm assuming this has been a thing since way before the internet. (If old family stories are anything to go by) and this is what skews people's perception.
If you're a horny dude then that seems like the dream life and it seems weird to hear Chad talking about gussy like it's as non scarce as oxygen, while you can't even talk to a girl from the moment you are moderately attracted to her. Focus only on this particular discrepancy, blow it out of proportion and you get niceguy incel mentality.
I'm assuming this has been a thing since way before the internet.
My dating days were the 1980s, and yes it was. I mean, I knew some guy back when I was a teenager whose idea of being relationship material was period-shaming his girlfriend while she was begging him to stop and she still was insanely devoted to him (prolly they were too young to be actually banging though it's my belief she'd have gone for it in a frozen New York second). Nice guys see shit like that and unreasonably conclude that life's a little unfair sometimes; and it doesn't help the way society seems to want to make out that if you're not gettin' any then you ain't shit.
Welp, sooner or later you meet someone who wants to settle down as bad as you do and perhaps you hit your late fifties with a couple of kids you might not have had if things had worked out only marginally worse, but you don't necessarily look back on the days of dearth with that much affection or even think that what you got in the end was worth the wait. Or so it seems to me. I look about me, I see stuff, I think stuff, sometimes I write it down. All characters and situations fictitious. Perhaps.
I can see myself ending up in a not dissimilar situation from the potentially fictitious person you describe. But, I don't have a problem with people expressing their loneliness and complaining about the crueler unspoken laws that govern our existence.
As long as people aren't going full retard with "REEEEEEEEEEE put a collar and chain on the roasties" type discourse, I'll refrain from mocking them.
Not really. I know lots of people who never really had that "phase", myself included. I know others who just never grow out of it. I mean I have nothing with people who grow out of it and want to settle down, but I don't really think they're a good match (usually) for the person who never had interest in that sort of thing to begin with.
Reddit as a whole worries about people thinking they’re an asshole way too much, mainly because it’s full of mediocre judgy people. You can’t be afraid to show off.
Lifting weights is still the best way to increase confidence in my opinion.
Agreed. Unless you're at least locally famous for your skills with something, people won't recognize the changes you've made unless they already knew you well. Anyone can notice you've cultivated mass on the flipside.
[I seriously hate when normies say to 'travel.' These trendies will go to Italy and take a picture of themselves that makes it look like they're holding up the tower of Pisa, thinking that they're original. They'll go to Africa and get the 'VIP Safari Experience' while 5 feet away from their hotel people are starving. They don't know jack shit about where or what they're travelling to. They're dilettantes who think they can experience another culture by having sex with natives and eating their food.]https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8rbimk/comment/e0qp4j4?context=1)
I mean on one hand the whole reddit "I'm a better person because I've taken more expensive and exotic vacations than you" circlejerk is pretty concieted and autistic, but on the other hand I'm not an incel and I'd go to italy and shit if I could afford to.
I just dont get it. Women totally dont have to exercise, eat well, spend ridiculous amounts of time on their appearance or do anything really and I'm supposed to just IMPROVE MYSELF.
When people say life is unfair, they don't mean that life is particularly unfair to incels, they're saying life is unfair to them too. People don't have patience because constant complaining coupled with being unwilling to problem solve is annoying to people who have their own shit they're dealing with.
They don't know that the popular guy picking up all the women at the club is some nerdy bloke who colmes his hair, puts on a good shirt and walks up to a woman all confident. He gets turned down but he doesn't give up. There are plenty of fish, and it only has to work once. He can find what he does wrong and tries to change it.
No no no, women shouldn't just fall into your lap, they should come to your parents house, force themselves inside, go up to your room, and propose to you while you're posting angry diatribes about your virginity online.
Say what you want about Chris-Chan but at least he go out there with his attraction sign. He didn't just give up and get pissy on the internet. When he couldn't get China he gave himself one. Truly the ultimate Chas.
Nothing succeeds like success. If you're that nerdy bloke who combs his hair, puts on a good shirt, walks up to a woman all confident and enjoys success everyone once in a while then he's got grounds for some self-belief. Get shot down enough times in a row and good luck keeping the confidence or even understanding what you did wrong.
I find maths easy. Partly it's because I put a lot of effort into it over the years and it didn't come all at once, but it doesn't look like that from outside to the virtually innumerate -- and IME just saying, "hey, it's really easy, just write things down and follow the steps and it will start making sense" doesn't help, even though objectively that's more valid advice than "lol just comb your hair and put on a good shirt".
The issue is they want easy results and not to have to learn through failure. Putting your best foot forward is good, so you can more easy find out what you are doing wrong.
jordan peterson is a fucking dumbass, but still these guys should read his book at least then they would clean their rooms and take a shower now and then
Fuck Chad. Literally. Make him your bitch and watch as the roasties come to you, the new true Alpha but who cares? You have a sissy Chad as your cockholster now.
That's when u get when those darn financial conservative neoliberals keep making cuts in Girlfriend Redistribution services. "Starve the beast" austerity is all those fucks know. Soon they'll start lowering our Blowjob rations.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-06-15
This is a nice post and all, but I'm guessing that the only reason anyone is even arguing about this because these people believe 3D is superior to 2D.
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1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
literally sentient.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-15
Who gives a shit if it's easier to get laid as a woman. Deal with it, that's reality. I don't even care if you want to be a virgin but holy shit stop whining about it on the internet when it's 100% your own fault. These people are just insulating themselves from reality.
If they can convince themselves that the only reason they're incels is the way they look, they'll never have to do anything to improve, which means they'll be able to keep whining on Reddit about how unfair life is and how the roasties won't sleep with them.
Either play the game or fuck off. If you aren't going to play it, stop whining about it.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
Saying it's "easier to get laid as a woman" is like saying "it's cheaper to eat at Arby's than at a 5-star restaurant."
Yeah, when you're a woman the option is there to get fucked whenever, but it's some straight-up Arby's dick. The idea that we have all these "Chads" and "bad boys" ready to come over and pound us raw on demand is kind of bullshit.
Even when it comes to "Chads," you learn pretty quickly not to fuck them because they're dumb as shit and always ghost you.
Plus, a lot of millennial-aged men today are awkward as fuck and have zero fucking social skills, even the hot ones. Hence, waiting for them to hit on you is pointless, so you have to initiate it, and even then they get all dense and nervous and creepy.
Long story short, their perception of how women actually date/fuck is highly inaccurate.
1 alphetasauce 2018-06-15
Can you write up some of your more awkward encounters and explain to incels why they were awkward? I'm sure it will help them understand and improve their lives and you'll get to feel like a good person for once. Or they'll bitch like always and create a bunch of funny drama. Either way you win.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
It's not specifically incels who are awkward, TBH. People live on their phones and don't interact in person as much as they used to. I feel like trying to flirt or strike up a conversation as a millennial in general is just fucked.
If incels had even a fucking bit of self-awareness, they'd recognize this. Like it's not just you bro.
1 alphetasauce 2018-06-15
Your missing the point. Go kick the hornet's nest. It will be funny and they won't be able to resist. I would do it, but I'm not a roastie.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
Oh, I got you.
Yeah lemme think of something good.
1 Magehunter_Skassi 2018-06-15
The Millennial Date
1 SJCards 2018-06-15
This is why my Hinge dates are getting as drunk as humanly possible. The cleansing bath of alcohol purifies the yuppiehood.
1 Plexipus 2018-06-15
Far better to meet a Nordic lass with child bearing hips and discuss a shared love of Wagnerian Opera and the JQ
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
That makes it easier tho. You have less competition and people will think you're confident and outgoing purely because you're the one that broke the awkwardness. If they don't respond, they don't respond, just go on to the next person
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
https://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/a22977-girls-on-tinder-do-smash-a-lot
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
Lol
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
Baby-with-the-bathwater problem to me.
The core message of the incel Black Pill I think the most accurate of all 'dating' schools-of-thought. The secondary and tertiary implications are often extreme and ridiculous, but the root issue is quite serious, getting worse every day, and is leading to some social upheaval.
The incels are not the only group talking about the EFFECTS of the Black Pill. But they are the only group, in my opinion, honest about the core issue.
The TradCons have their version. The Femme writers(Cosmo, Amy Horton, etc) have their version. The Red Pillers and MGTOWs have their version. The White Nationalists scream loudly about their version(the incels even joke about them as StormCels).
The brutal honest of the Black Pill's core message causes me to respect the incels more than most online communities.
For many of them, there truly is no hope.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Tbf, probably more people would be sympathetic to incels if they weren't constantly whining and crying about the "roasties" riding the "cock caroussel"
It's one thing to point out that society gives people unreasonable expectations. It's another thing to advocate essentially for "restricting" female sexual freedom again, like I've seen some of the galaxybraincels do (especially the muslimcucks over at /r/MaleForeverAlone )
Those op-ed articles advocating for sexual redistribution are at least pretty interesting thought experiments even if considered batshit by some, but it's mostly the hysterical REEEEing about the roasties that makes incels look so extremely pathetic.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
The Cock Carousel term came from the Red Pill community, which is related to the incel community, but they are quite hostile to each other, in general. I take the incel side in that conflict, the Red Pillers are extreme "cope" in my view.
I agree with the sentiment of your post, as a third party. But, I also think the incels are correct in not caring about what wider society thinks of them. Sympathy is all they could expect, along with co-option.
I predict the incel culture will evolve and begin to spit out Hezbollah-like organizations which will be extremely militant. The sexual redistribution won't remain thought experiments. It will be violently achieved.
One poster on the incels website said, "Normies are only paying attention to us because we are KILLING them", referring to the van attack and school shootings. Unfortunately for polite Normie society, the incels are probably the most intelligent fringe group around. I suspect this is because the selection for inceldom is primarily lacking facial aesthetics whereas all other qualities might be randomly distributed.
As applied hypergamy grows, the incel ranks well swell with better and better human capital.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
The 21st century was a mistake.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
You think guys who by their own admission are scrawny, small and incapable of interacting with other human beings offline are going to band together to create the next ISIS?
You're confusing autism for intellect. If they were intelligent, they'd figure out how to better their situation.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Yeah 99.9% it's gonna be this one. Any suggestion to incels for getting gussy that involves any more delay of gratification than a fucking click of a button will get you ostracized and chased away on that sub.
The only solution these dweebs might ever be satisfied with would be if there were a version of Pornhub where instead of pr0n, you'd get an actual ho dropped on your lap. And even then, they'd manage to find a way to bitch about Chad (why do I have to go to a website to get some low quality roastie when Chad does weekly threesomes with Becky and Stacy from our college's cheerleader squad? I bet Becky and Stacy moan a lot more convincingly than this 3/10 sloot).
hell they could get a nice escort or a Russian mail order bride if they really did the bare minimum of effort and really cared about getting laid, but that still is a lot harder than whining about how unfair life is on the interwebz and worshiping a school shooter.
I know how it is to feel unfuckable but goddamn do I not understand how incels' minds work.
1 gilmore606 2018-06-15
physical sex isn't really what they are craving, although they might not even realize this or be able to articulate it. they want to be loved and wanted, they want to feel like they matter to someone, and they want to get validation the way society gives it out. society gives it out in other ways too but they're also teens/early-20s and constantly horny so this is the one they fixate on.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
they want to be chad, not because chad gets pussy, but because chad is popular and cool. society says dudes who get pussy are cool and accomplished, so they obsess about getting pussy as the hallmark for being accepted, since in their own lives, they are unwanted, rejected, and alone.
most of them would feel better if they got some nice friends and stuff, rather than obsessing over sex, which is pretty overrated. relationships are also overrated tbh, quite a few of them are horrible and filled with drama, or just plain boring and the people are only staying in them to not be lonely.
1 gilmore606 2018-06-15
wow this
1 SJCards 2018-06-15
Gussy is bad and doesn't solve problems. No shit.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
I mean, that's true but you do realize that you're saying this because you have experience and perspective. It sounds a bit rich when someone who's had it says that it doesn't matter at all.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
never said it doesn't matter at all, just that it's overrated. it's not worth being absolutely fucking miserable because you can't have it, and anyone who has had these things would agree.
it's just that incels literally ignore any perspective that isn't in their echo chamber.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Because it's their echo chamber.
Ever thought of the fact that echo chambers are born when other people not belonging to the group have nothing to contribute and, in fact, annoy you with the same shit over, and over, and over, and over...
They would agree because they have it or had it. You cannot chose to stop being miserable at a snap of the fingers, bby. I mean shit, it's drama but essentially what you are saying is "stop being depressed".
It doesn't work like that.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
i guess you're an incel cause no one goes to these weird lengths to defend those stupid morons.
stop going to those echo chambers, actually listen to people who have experience with these things, if they say it's not the be all and end all, then believe them.
also i was "incel" until i was like 22, they just didn't have a word for it and i didn't go to sad groups that bitched about it all day. as a result, i had a decent life and wasn't miserable and suicidal.
turns out if you sit around bitching about what your life lacks, you are miserable. if you just enjoy life in any way you can and don't focus on your short comings and things you have no access too, you can be happy.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Nice, juicy bait.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Eh, that's not how it works either. When you try to mock someone, learn their shit before looking like a fool, lel.
That's also not the same.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
i just wish you incels would fuck off back to your own subs. this is /r/drama, not an "i can't get laid waaaah" club. why did you guys start migrating here?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Maybe because I don't waaaaaaaah and spergout outside of the place where it's okay to do those things? I mean, I don't obscure my post history but that's only because the online shredder wasn't working and I was too lazy to deal with the script.
Am I triggering you baby? I don't recall you being that booty blasted over MDEtards or CTH chimps. They're here in great quantity too.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
I have a date tonight with a solid 7/10 i met on bumble. how does that make you feel?
what methods will you use tonight to help you cope that you don't have access to grand experiences like this?
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
On the Internet everybody can claim everything. If it's true however - good for you! The fact that you're dating not only your hand is great. We're all proud of you.
Chess, strategies and Rosie Palms.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
well it's impressive to you, your whole life revolves around the fact you have no access to this. for me it's just a regular weekend night, not even that excited about it.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
I didn't say "impressive". I said "good for you".
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
i just wanna remind you that while you're cooped up at home, men like me are meeting 7s and finding it kinda boring.
COPE
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Hahaha, okay buddy.
Quick question though. Why do it if you find it boring?
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
the date and conversation is often kinda boring. possibility of sex though makes it somewhat exciting. i don't do it often, i take long breaks from it from time to time.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
So it's safe to say that you view women as objects? Not judging, genuinely interested.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
i added in the part about how meeting a gf is my ultimate goal, so no. but you don't have to view women as people while wanting to have sex with them.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
It sounded like you did. If you don't - my apologies.
Good luck with that goal of yours!
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
so i just got back. she was like a 9 in person, way better than her pics looks. i feel like i fucked up the date by being awkward and weird. i feel utterly miserable and like i wanna hang myself. i'm good looking so it's not hard for me to get girls interested but im awkward as fuck. i feel like she is never going to talk to me again and just forced the niceness she showed on the date. sucks because the convos i had with her on bumble were so good and i came off as cool and charming, only to be a weird autist in person.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-15
Dunno why I read this thread all the way but I did lol
Man, internet dating kinda sucks that way though. You're completely exposed with nothing really tangible to smooth the wheels. Honestly I think a giant part of the issue is that it's become the societal norm to completely separate romantic life from other aspects (which isn't an entirely bad thing).
And hey remember we remember being akward more than other people do usually you probs did alright.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
yeah i was just massively over reacting. she is replying to my messages, hasn't unmatched me, still talking to me, i'll probs get a second date. i just go ape shit with paranoid and insecurity sometimes lol.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-15
Hey we all do.gotta fight the good fight though haha
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-15
eh. Part of the issue is that most of them are in their late teens/early twenties.
It's really, really hard not to obsess over sex at that age. Having friends doesn't make your dick stop working.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
lol people always say that but it's such horseshit. i didn't get all through my teen years, i still didn't obsess over it and torment myself to the point of suicidal thoughts. you think not getting laid in your teen years is some unique experience that only happens to a few men? it's common as fuck.
i didn't get laid till 22, didn't get a gf till 24. i laugh when i see people saying that it's reasonable to be depressed over never getting laid, cause i lived that, and it just never bothered me. i jerked off to porn and then did other shit that i enjoyed, i didn't sit online eating BLACK PILLS with a bunch of miserable losers.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Yeah. With all the VR HD 4K POV Girlfriend Experience Cosplay Waifu pr0n there is out there these days, even the horniest mofo should be able to get it under control
"Yeah but it's not real and not validating enough" yeah I get that dude but whining about the roasties is COPE that isn't gonna do jack shit for ya on that front, and the validation part has little to do with the physical "hhhhngggg tits n ass" caveman part.
Being an uptight little shit will do no favors to anyone. Get some psychological help and start talking to people independently of their fuckability levels. Even the ugliest or fattest mofo is much more palatable if they are relaxed, confident and able to laugh at themselves than if they are insecure dipshits, and that comes from sharpening social skills.
Braindead reality TV or retarded internet drama subs like this one are a direct result of people craving to confirm that there are much worse assholes or idiots out there to feel superior to. But if you can feel even a little okay with the fact that, maybe you are one of these doofuses right know, there is hope. Because it takes all kinds to populate the world. Plenty of fuckups still go through their day without being completely miserable. If you can do that and get some satisfaction from the fact that you're trying to get better then you're doing pretty good.
Finally, if you whine about Chad being an abusive prick and still slaying gussy: yeah, you shouldn't want to be like that and you shouldn't want to be with Beckies who are insecure or stupid flock to these shits. Does that leave out a good deal of the population? Sure, but gays have a very small dating pool and still manage to bang and have relationships, so what?
justkidding #antifemicideiscope #enslavebecky #elliotrodger4potus
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
Eh its not horseshit to be miffed about it, but it's not the end of the world either.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
The problem is many of these dudes are so far up their own ass they couldn't recognize human decency if it bit them in the ass.
I mean Elliot Rodger himself had a mom who, if his autobiography is anything to go by, went out of her way to make him comfortable, cater to his needs and whims, and occasionally, tried to get him some real psychological help when things went south.
He still barely seems to acknowledge this as anything other than the absolute minimum standard of how he expects people to treat him. His dad's girlfriend tried to get him out of his comfort zone and he despised and resented her for it.
If you can't even properly acknowledge the efforts of your slave-mother (of course, smothering your kid like that is a very unhealthy, bad idea, but no one can deny she cared for him and validated him) than I don't know what he would have expected even if he managed to get a cute blonde interested in him.
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
And thats the problem. Spoiling kids.
In brazil we beat kids with flip flops and they turn out perfectly fine, like me 😎
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Haha. Beatings with a leather belt are rightly confined to the past, but a light, proportional slap with the palm of your hand when your sprout is being a little shit might yet prove to not be the worst thing ever.
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
cmon brah
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
I cant stress enough how overrated relationships are
That said casual sex has its importance man, at least when I am not getting it it fucks me up a little bit
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
for me anyway, i never really enjoyed it. i do it cause i'm horny and it's there, but it always feels empty. i agree that relationships never did anything but make me miserable, but the sex was always better with someone i know, trust, and feel comfortable around. casual sex just feels like masturbating with the soulless husk of another strangers body to me , it feels odd and somewhat creepy.
really i have no idea how to deal with that, i hate relationships but the sex within them is still the best sex i ever had. idk, man, this got too deep for me to talk about on drama, but i wish i could kill my sex drive and desire for love totally.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
The obsessive quest for sex and romantic relationships is ultimately, all cope.
All one needs in life is to maintain a healthy social circle, so that you don't end up dying alone and stinking up the apartment complex until they find your decomposing body. You need some people to care about and be cared about by. Whether you stick your willy in some of them or not is up to your (and the person taking the willy's) discretion.
While sex is a lot of fun, it's only indispensable for producing the next batch of retards to populate society with. But, as I say increasingly often, fuck society. People can just adopt kids from third world shithole countries or orphanages (as the animal rights activists say: buy your pup from the shelter, not the breeder).
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
hmmm I dont know all that shit of being comfortable or whatever but I do need to at least like the person and have some things in common so to speak
Everytime I had sex with someone I was meh about or hated it was awful boring and empty
Not creepy though
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
What they want is to be admired, loved, sought out, noticed, worshiped, laid, treated like Kings, recognized. Anything short of that will simply not do.
1 RoastBeefEnthusiast 2018-06-15
I mostly want a gf
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
You want narcissistic supply.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
What an inhumanly monstrous desire to entertain in literally $CURRENT_YEAR.
1 wisty 2018-06-15
What's funny is they refuse because they want a woman who really wants to have sex with them.
Then bitch about how easy it is for fat chicks to get railed. Apparently getting whaled is way more dignified than paying a prostitute?
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
First time I've seen 'whaled' use that way.
That's an interesting contrast, but something about it seems slightly off. Maybe something about the closed-system of whaling vs the semi-open system of prostitution? Sexual-energy only vs sexual/monetary-energy?
Sexual-energy I suppose is an open system as well if we include the conversion of money and time required for a guy to maintain a high level of aesthetic fitness.
Forgive me for dribbling your post.
1 wisty 2018-06-15
I mean it's not a perfect analogy. But neither 3/10 chicks nor 3/10 guys are likely to find the kind of romance they really want, and their options will tend to be pretty big comprimises.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
Depends on how we are defining '3's, but I think on the female side, there is much more to work with. The desperation of men in general is going to make things increasingly easier for them. The incels and other blackpillers actually have some research going on this.
The rules of civil society gives more tools to the woman, before she encounters social resistance. The typical male tools of overcoming this hurdle are frowned upon by my society at least(USA). PRostitution is by-and-large illegal, where as 'Foodie Calls' are not, just for one shallow example before we get into the gruesome stuff.
In fact, my society does something worse to tip the scales as generally speaking, women are a net-tax winner while men are net-tax losers. So indirectly, men are funding women that would never talk to them, much less have sex or relationships with them.
This makes whaling MUCH harder for sub-Chads. I had a Greenpeace-esque analogy, but it was tortured and I could not publish it.
1 wisty 2018-06-15
Yeah, a 8/10 guy will pump and dump a 3/10 woman. Does that mean she's a winner?
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
No, but a 5/10 men would also try to wife her and probably let her cheat on him to boot(cuckold fetish).
She can get sex with the 8s and support from the 5s if she plays it right.
1 wisty 2018-06-15
This does not seem to be describing a mathematically possible situation.
I suppose it would work if a bunch of 5/10 women were happily sitting it all out posting on Buzzfeed and feeding their cats. But are they really happy?
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
The folk wisdom says the 10s are the ones that 'opt out', because they have no need to settle at all. NOt even male 10s are on their level(as a statistical group, it changes with age/weight primarily). This allows other women to 'bump up' the level of man they can attract, forming a 'fat tail' of informal polygamy.
The result on the male side, is that the bottom half of men essentially drop out altogether("no good men"). These men indirectly are the economic support for the female 10s buying the pornography, webcam minutes, whatever monetized items from the economically empowered 10s.
A female 5 married to a male 7.5 might be pretty happy, for a while. A female 3 married to a male 5 but serving as the 3rd tier sex partner of a philandering male 7.5 might be happier than we expect, but not in front of her husband.
1 wisty 2018-06-15
There's not that many 10s that having them leave the system will allow more than a tiny number to "bump up".
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
I'm not so sure actually.
I do not think attractiveness is Gaussian, at least not for ABSOLUTE aesthetics, related to facial proportions(the ratios you will find talked about in orthodontics and plastic surgery textbooks).
In terms of RELATIVE scale, as a statistically tautology, we can define a Gaussian distribution.
The raw number of even relative-scale 10s is less important than their outsized effect on the dating market. If one female 10 can keep 5 male '10s' from commiting to five female 9s(the males instead preferring to 'play the field' until their dreamgirl(the one 10) is available, the informal hypergamy/polygamy situation will play out. I think.
I think your comment missed the importance of 'informal polygamy'. At the risk of being sexist, some women prefer sharing the male 9(as a female 5) than being the only girl of a male 1-7. Or, they apply a dual-strategy, something being fetishized in cuckold porn today(married to a low score male, but still having sexual access to high score males).
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Why the fuck are incels and some alt-righters so obsessed with cuckold pr0N? The way I've seen some people talk about it, it seems like people think it's not a fairly fringe fetish, but a mainstream vanilla thing that all of the "numales" in <CurrentYear> jerk off to.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
It's not just them or the porn. The lifestyle is increasingly popular FORMALLY, alongside being dramatically popular informally. It's talked about in magazines that deal with sexuality and even rags like Psychology Today quite a bit.
I think it's a result of the cybernetics regarding sexuality. Practical men are taking Ovid's advice and letting nature take its course. Else, she leaves. I don't blame them.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Well, there's a difference between "look at this eccentric phenomenon" and something being hackshually relevant in real life.
At the watercooler at work, or even at the pub, I don't really hear men talk about how they can't wait to go home to watch the bull plow the wife, or women talking about prolonging hubby's stay in the cuckshed because he complained about her latest shopping spree.
But then again, I live in a weird neighborhood.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
You might be surprised. I qualify as a "Tyrone" by some measures, and I get propositioned several times a year. A friend of mine is much better looking(ex-NFL) and he regularly participates in this lifestyle.
I have participated in the fetish from both sides(cuck and bull) and I found it quite enjoyable.
This is only anecdote-for-anecdote, and I understand and agree with the sentiment in your post.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Haha that's fucking amazing.
I'm starting to think you're an ingeniously subtle troll. But it could also be that your social circle is a bit strange, that 'Murica has gone more insane than I previously thought, or that I'm just a bluepilled cuck who needs to swallow dat big black pill.
No kinkshaming intended, of course.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
I think the right-middle one is most accurate. Not sure if 'insane' is the word I would use, but things are changing. I think it's sexual pragmatism. The Roman poet Ovid had something to say about it (Ars Amatoria) appreciate the compliment and I have upvoted all your applies as they appeared.
The incels like to talk about the correlation of male sex rates to the rise of apps like Tinder. The charts posted on subs like r/BlackPillScience seem to give support for the CORRELATION at least. Not sure about the causation.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
1 The_Reason_Trump_Won 2018-06-15
T. Starfish
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
Lol was that written pre edit? How embarrassing.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
I edited it because the replies on my seriouspost were getting too autistic
Y'all don't deserve roastie secrets
1 ShinJoe 2018-06-15
Absolutely disgusting. There's no way the betas even feel anything after you've been rammed then ghosted by Chad dick so many times.
1 The_Reason_Trump_Won 2018-06-15
It was just banter you dork
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
What did it say?
1 HumongousGentleman 2018-06-15
They're just moving the goalposts. Gotta keep that pie way up there in the sky, or they have nothing to shake their fists at.
1 parameciidae 2018-06-15
Yeah, I sometimes think that a lot of them are super depressed or are on the spectrum so constantly ruminating about all this stuff is their goal.
1 necrocannibal2 2018-06-15
like /r/2meirl4meirl, a lot of these people want to be miserable
1 supadik 2018-06-15
"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."
-- a manlet vegan Jew who killed over 20 million mayonnaise-sapiens
1 Fiat-Libertas 2018-06-15
>Pizzashill unironically explaining how to not be an incel.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
/u/pizzashill is actually a decent mayo when he wants to be
1 ChaddingTater 2018-06-15
what the fuck is that
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
I mean he'll still go in the mayocide but we'll make it quick at least
1 ChaddingTater 2018-06-15
Fuck that I want to see /u/pizzashill tortured by some roasties
1 jubbergun 2018-06-15
Stop wishing marriage on people.
1 better_bot 2018-06-15
Aioli.
1 GreatnessPersonified 2018-06-15
Hellmans is pretty decent if you are into that stuff.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-15
It matters because it means that the same advice that is applicable to women, or based on women's experiences isn't really applicable to dudes.
1 pizzashill 2018-06-15
Nobody gives them advice that is only applicable to women.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-15
Except, often the advice isn't solid.
Take the OP, for example. The advice being made fun of is "just shower more and you'll get girls". And that advice isn't true for a lot of dudes. Mostly because due to the way the dating dynamic works, simply being of average attractiveness doesn't DO anything for dudes. For women, being of average attractiveness increases the rate at which guys ask them out, but since women rarely take the initiative to ask dudes out, well...
Or the horseshit "just learn to Salsa, bro". That's almost aggressively stupid advice.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
QED
1 Bjthrowaway962 2018-06-15
That's misconstruing the advice. It is not the case that everyone who showers also gets girls. It is the case that everyone who gets girls also showers. There are certain bare essentials (hygeine, having an interesting hobby) that many of these incels almost certainly do not possess.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-15
Look, i get it. It's fun to kick people when they're down. I do it too.
But at certain point, we do have to recognize that it is insulting to automatically assume, without any actual knowledge that people have bad hygiene.
I mean, what are we saying here? If you can't get laid, that's a sign that you are a bad person with bad hygiene? Messages like that from aociety at large are a large part of the reason why people like them go from slightly frustrated horny dudes into full on bitter assholes.
1 parameciidae 2018-06-15
Who would have thought that strangers on the internet and your grandma give crappy advice? The answer is not to get bitter that people don't understand and can't fix your problems for you.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
Well, that’s a ridiculously unrealistic expectation, we don’t know them. They should ask their friends IRL
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-06-15
Then don't act like you know them and give advice that's either frustrating ir frankly insulting.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Gee, you are as retarded as they said you are.
1 bcat124 2018-06-15
WTF is a female incel you retarded cuck? Femoids cannot be incel, only volcel.
fatcel is volcel, not looksmaxxing is volcel. If you lurked just 5 mins instead of talking out of your cute little ass 🍑❤, you'd have understood that people who have never put effort into themselves cannot be incel. You have no idea what it means to be an ugly male in a degenerate society.
That comment was meant to show off how much easier women have it in dating, it was a response to IncelTears who swear day and night that femoids have it just as hard. You didn't lurk the sub, misread a comment, and sperged out all over the place with, fuckin hell.
1 Plexipus 2018-06-15
How can you guys claim to spend so much time on self improvement and still be the most pitiful loathsome misanthropes the world has ever seen
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
> imagine being this lovable
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
spouting jargon when talking about dating, relationships and sex like it's a World of Warcraft game is what makes you volcel, dude.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
That would be true if you are above the looks threshold.
If you are below it, the incels are right: It's Over.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
If ur Assface Man but have a ripping bod, then I'm pretty sure there'd at least be some /r/TrollXChromosomes browsing landwhales willing to bite. You'll just have to build a small collection of Doctor Who gifs to send to them, and pretend to read the feminist articles about "Emotional labor" they forward to you
If you're not willing to go for that then you're volcel. But, I'd rather be volcel than date a TrollX'er.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
I don't disagree, but there is also the term 'GymCel', which refers to the men who have great bodies, but their faces are below threshold.
Anecdotally, gymcels are a real thing in my social life, especially in previous areas I've lived where the gender ratio was horrendous.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
well, I can't disagree that that must be frustrating.
That reminds me of one those snopes-type stories that circulates on the webz. It's an explanation of the stereotypical notion that Russian women are basically the hottest b*tches on the planet: a shitload of (mostly) men were killed during WWII and during Soviet times (Stalin and alcoholism) which left a huge gender imbalance where even the most potato-faced Vlad just had the Svetlanas for the picking.
This might just be one of those PUA urban myths, but it's pretty undeniable that sausage fests suck if ur a sausage and bun fests suck if ur a bun.
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
I think I know story you mean, I've seen a version of it about France(French lover myth). Did some informal research on it a few years ago, the most interesting area for me was the Balkans during their troubles.
It makes a difference.
I agree with your last sentence BUT as I alluded to earlier, it's not just pure ratio. That will account for the RELATIVE rankings, but not for absolute aesthetic scores. I think this added bit of nuance is actually the missing piece from earlier analysis. Oddly enough, historically, this has been talked about, famously in Ancient Greece, and the Renaissance.
Ugly men, even in a city with a gender ratio in their favor, will still find it increasingly harder(rate of inceldom accelerating). The diagonal scenario seems, to me, to cause women to feel big pressure to relocate if the absolute scores of the men are below threshold. I call this the San Diego Effect.
1 ssclanker 2018-06-15
Pretty underrated quote right there. Props.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Inspired by a Sausage Party dvd cover I saw at my local shopping mall the other day. Still haven't watched that film because it looks stupid as fuck (personal opinion)
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
J.K. Rowling
J.R.R. Tolkien
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
Everyone is abso fucking lutely responsible for their own reality.
They want to live in a world like that, then that's what they get.
They'll give excuses and blame it on ethnicity, standards, health, higine, hobbies, intelligence, syndromes, niceness, genes.
But in reality, they really blame everyone else.
They crave the admiration of other incels and it's fixated like a drug. Narcissistic supply.
They lack empathy, they're always plotting something, that's why almost no one trust them.
1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-15
The female incel types fascinate me in a morbid way. I remember looking at some GC/femcel cross poster who talked about how low her standards were-job, average body, had his own place. Which at a glance, sure ok. But she was overweight, lived with her parents, and was a neet it turned out once you dug through her posts.
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-15
I feel like this would make for a terrific musical. The story of an incel who discovers the way of the salsa which becomes the solution of his inceldom. We should get Bernstein to write the music for it, unfortunately ...
Lifting weights is still the best way to increase confidence in my opinion. Learning a skill like playing guitar is nice and all but it doesn't make you look better, also you can't constantly show it off (without coming across like an asshole at least).
1 Agrees_withyou 2018-06-15
I see where you're coming from.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
Novelty accounts are for fags
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
More than merely being attractive or being good at something, they don't realize the primary thing is "be interesting." Going on TRP you can find stories of guys going to clubs and not even dancing then afterwards getting pissed that the girls danced with other guys. They get mad when a woman who's done with her wild phase wants to settle down and be boring with their boring asses. Of course that happens, for the most part exciting guys get exciting girls.
It must not just be a romantic problem in their lives. They must be monumentally bored with themselves.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
Isn't that pretty much all people tho? My older brother was a total party gay throughout his 20s and slayed that bussy, but now at 31 he's doing the committed relationship and weekends spent at the farmer's market thing.
1 cimarafa 2018-06-15
It’s a real black pill moment for the incel/red pill community when they realize that most of those women who “hit the wall” at 30 or whatever find some guy they like around that time and settle down and have kids, just like men of the same age.
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
The Pier 1 Pill
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
You gotta go further. Thing is a bunch of these women make a lot of compromises they didn't make before. This specifically seems to be the concern for loser-ish guys who've come into money/stability who now try to get women previously out of their league, often those that got pump n dumped by the guys they tried chasing. The crux is that they get triggort when they realize they're not living like the Chad they've wanted to be, and instead playing the role of a provider.
Again, this is a specific group which seems to compose most of the manosphere.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-15
Nail, meet head. I think a lot of those "cells" are genuinely horrific people whose saving grace to humanity writ large is their selfish laziness, but most are guys with intimacy fears they think only they have. Because they don't have the tools to identify the root issues in themselves and society it turns into resentment.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
The problem with the more resentful creepcels (not the guys who just can't get laid) is that they seem to be unwilling to realize the roasties have their own sets of problems. A bit like those manhating harpy legbeards who smugly get out the "male tears" mugs when someone dares to bring up any hurdle in life that affects men more than women. So the "pump n dump" fear is totally handwaved away.
I'm ambivalent at best about the whole MRA thing but that Warren Farrel did kinda make a salient point. If women are often seen as sex objects, then men are often treated as success objects, and it's daft to whine and cry about one while downplaying and poopoo-ing the other.
Unfortunately, as long as people have any standards whatsoever and want anything more out of a relationship than just the right to change your Facebook status from "Single", people will bitch about not living up to the Draconian standards of the people they're attracted to.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-15
You're on a damn roll preach brotha. I'd go a step further and say those sorts are oblivious to anyone else's triumphs and tribulations. I'm probably what they call a "chad" and man it's better than the alternative but far from fun at times. They want the illusion of a silver bullet for happiness easy street, not the cold but rewarding trudge that is relationship building, compromise, compassion, and yes reshaping expectations.
Here's where I see them coming from, ish at least in my own experience. Not so much "success" objects (because few women are gold diggers like that and are more reasonable about what they want from a partner) but that there seems to be a mismatch of expectations for modern manhood.
I can see some that start off their dating career wanting to be kind, supportive, the works so they lend emotional support for some that readily abuse it (either through outright malice or just absent mindedness). I do think society reinforces this and really discourages men from protecting themselves emotionally is pretty strong. So they get bitter that their minimal emotional investment doesn't pan out. But there comes a point to readjust actions in conformity and pushback of norms to better suit your (and those around you) needs, which is a lifelong project.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
Yeah ofc men and women both do this(to varying extents). Especially guys in more conservative families who fuck around and go hard for a while then get married to some quiet, agreeable chick that hasn't seen much action. Thing is, these guys never got that. They think they're gonna get the super carefree fun version of these girls that wouldn't go for em earlier, and get pissed that she's focused on being just being boring and long term relationship oriented. They're being married cause they're stable and agreeable for the most part, not because they're super exciting. The anger is that the reasons she went for Chad aren't the reasons they went for them. It's their own fault though, if they're boring their whole lives that's what they're gonna get in the end.
Ofc this only describes a subset of all relationships, and a lot of people find a partner that checks off most of their boxes.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
plenty of people are in relationships in their 20s. it's a weird reddit myth that literally everyone screws around through their teens and 20s and suddenly wants to settle down and 30. i spend my whole 20s in a relationship, all my friends are in and out of relationships since high school.
idk where the fuck these people get their view of the world but they must not know many people. only a small minority are obsessed with screwing around so much they avoid relationships throughout their youth.
1 siskonaut 2018-06-15
It's a very skewed perception that I feel pornography/pop culture/social media plays into. The guys that don't get out end view the world through the internet which funnels all the hypersexual content that they are FOMOing hard about. Also there are specific demographics involved which respresent a small slice of society.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-06-15
yeah true. their entire exposure to women is following instagram thots, titty streamers, and watching porn. women are not as slutty as they think they are IRL, or at least, it's just a much smaller minority of women than they think. most girls want relationships even in their early 20s, or at least that was my experience.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
You are right. But I think every guy knows a couple of popular assholes who brag about banging qt's left and right, and I'm assuming this has been a thing since way before the internet. (If old family stories are anything to go by) and this is what skews people's perception.
If you're a horny dude then that seems like the dream life and it seems weird to hear Chad talking about gussy like it's as non scarce as oxygen, while you can't even talk to a girl from the moment you are moderately attracted to her. Focus only on this particular discrepancy, blow it out of proportion and you get niceguy incel mentality.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
My dating days were the 1980s, and yes it was. I mean, I knew some guy back when I was a teenager whose idea of being relationship material was period-shaming his girlfriend while she was begging him to stop and she still was insanely devoted to him (prolly they were too young to be actually banging though it's my belief she'd have gone for it in a frozen New York second). Nice guys see shit like that and unreasonably conclude that life's a little unfair sometimes; and it doesn't help the way society seems to want to make out that if you're not gettin' any then you ain't shit.
Welp, sooner or later you meet someone who wants to settle down as bad as you do and perhaps you hit your late fifties with a couple of kids you might not have had if things had worked out only marginally worse, but you don't necessarily look back on the days of dearth with that much affection or even think that what you got in the end was worth the wait. Or so it seems to me. I look about me, I see stuff, I think stuff, sometimes I write it down. All characters and situations fictitious. Perhaps.
I win anything?
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Well, you win my sympathy.
I can see myself ending up in a not dissimilar situation from the potentially fictitious person you describe. But, I don't have a problem with people expressing their loneliness and complaining about the crueler unspoken laws that govern our existence.
As long as people aren't going full retard with "REEEEEEEEEEE put a collar and chain on the roasties" type discourse, I'll refrain from mocking them.
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
Honestly a wise minority man
1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-15
Not really. I know lots of people who never really had that "phase", myself included. I know others who just never grow out of it. I mean I have nothing with people who grow out of it and want to settle down, but I don't really think they're a good match (usually) for the person who never had interest in that sort of thing to begin with.
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
Not them, thats the problem.
Some people for one reason or another missed this wild part of being a teen/young adult
1 ffbtaw 2018-06-15
I constantly show off my salsa skills, it's good for business.
1 Plexipus 2018-06-15
Allow me to introduce you to Kissless Virginity: The Musical
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
Reddit as a whole worries about people thinking they’re an asshole way too much, mainly because it’s full of mediocre judgy people. You can’t be afraid to show off.
1 Nitra0007 2018-06-15
It's called Cuban Fury, it does exist. It has Nick Frost in it.
1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-15
Agreed. Unless you're at least locally famous for your skills with something, people won't recognize the changes you've made unless they already knew you well. Anyone can notice you've cultivated mass on the flipside.
1 OniTan 2018-06-15
Why not both?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-15
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/180/663/f93.png
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-15
Reminder that Kant basically never left Königsberg.
1 db1923 2018-06-15
some biographies say he'd get so shitfaced on wine that he couldn't find his way home, so I'm sure he traveled a bit
1 Al_ButteredToast 2018-06-15
🧠🧠🧠
1 CrackFerretus 2018-06-15
I mean on one hand the whole reddit "I'm a better person because I've taken more expensive and exotic vacations than you" circlejerk is pretty concieted and autistic, but on the other hand I'm not an incel and I'd go to italy and shit if I could afford to.
1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
This is especially dumb when you consider that things like couchsurfing are becoming really popular nowadays
That style of travel was more popular before than nowadays
1 trumplethinskins 2018-06-15
I just dont get it. Women totally dont have to exercise, eat well, spend ridiculous amounts of time on their appearance or do anything really and I'm supposed to just IMPROVE MYSELF.
FUCK SOCIETY MAN
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
Pretty sure they think Kermit is a cuck tbh
1 MooseHeckler 2018-06-15
I will get so many good boy points.
1 Plague-Lord 2018-06-15
Women don't have to do any of those things you listed to have a lifetime of companionship, they have life on tutorial mode.
1 parameciidae 2018-06-15
When people say life is unfair, they don't mean that life is particularly unfair to incels, they're saying life is unfair to them too. People don't have patience because constant complaining coupled with being unwilling to problem solve is annoying to people who have their own shit they're dealing with.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-06-15
Lol retard.
1 PPPD-488 2018-06-15
Why do you say that?
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-15
No they don’t, but even if they did, tough. Do what you gotta do, be a man
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
I'm sure all the women you know told you this
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
All the women he knew told him they have life easy and they have nothing to moan about? Yeah, that would happen.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
Where are your parents and why did they do such a terrible job raising you?
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
https://www.livescience.com/54994-obesity-rate-women.html
1 trumplethinskins 2018-06-15
I think you might be missing the point.
Lots of women are just as bitter as you.
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
[X]Doubt
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-06-15
No, the correct response is "but they can get dick".
And the proper answer to that is "you can get dick too"
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-06-15
This is why abortions should be universally available and legal. I'm sure there are people who should never been parents like parents of incels.
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
🤔🤔🤔
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1 tfdidido 2018-06-15
I think incels hate Peterson too
They hate anyone that gives advice
1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
wtf i aint do nothin
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1 QueenOfTheIncels 2018-06-15
/u/fuckredditanddogs Please come join the party, we're a cool club for people who don't think you should have to work for stuff you want <3
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1 CrackFerretus 2018-06-15
I clicked that username hoping it was an anti reddit anti dog subreddit. I was wrong but I wasn't dissapointed.
1 PUBLIQclopAccountant 2018-06-15
Is it an account of someone sill upset that /r/sexwithdogs was banned?
1 MooseHeckler 2018-06-15
Dating the opposite sex isn't impossible terating other people is another story.
1 Gtyyler 2018-06-15
They don't know that the popular guy picking up all the women at the club is some nerdy bloke who colmes his hair, puts on a good shirt and walks up to a woman all confident. He gets turned down but he doesn't give up. There are plenty of fish, and it only has to work once. He can find what he does wrong and tries to change it.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2018-06-15
No no no, women shouldn't just fall into your lap, they should come to your parents house, force themselves inside, go up to your room, and propose to you while you're posting angry diatribes about your virginity online.
Say what you want about Chris-Chan but at least he go out there with his attraction sign. He didn't just give up and get pissy on the internet. When he couldn't get China he gave himself one. Truly the ultimate Chas.
1 MozzerDozzer 2018-06-15
Got solid joke, 6/10.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
Nothing succeeds like success. If you're that nerdy bloke who combs his hair, puts on a good shirt, walks up to a woman all confident and enjoys success everyone once in a while then he's got grounds for some self-belief. Get shot down enough times in a row and good luck keeping the confidence or even understanding what you did wrong.
I find maths easy. Partly it's because I put a lot of effort into it over the years and it didn't come all at once, but it doesn't look like that from outside to the virtually innumerate -- and IME just saying, "hey, it's really easy, just write things down and follow the steps and it will start making sense" doesn't help, even though objectively that's more valid advice than "lol just comb your hair and put on a good shirt".
1 Gtyyler 2018-06-15
The issue is they want easy results and not to have to learn through failure. Putting your best foot forward is good, so you can more easy find out what you are doing wrong.
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-15
never realized how fucking enormous andy samberg's jaw line is
holy shit
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-15
jordan peterson is a fucking dumbass, but still these guys should read his book at least then they would clean their rooms and take a shower now and then
1 sh0t 2018-06-15
They should, but that won't fix what they are complaining about it if they are below the looks threshold.
1 Plague-Lord 2018-06-15
the comment you link to isn't an incel, its a fakecel advicefag who doesn't understand incels any better than you shitstains do.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-06-15
You have to go back now.
1 preserved_fish 2018-06-15
The taxonomy get more hilarious with each new designation.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-15
I'd not heard either term before but it's not like trying to understand Sanskrit here.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
You seem to be a bit of a douchecel
1 MG87 2018-06-15
Why can't this dude get laid? Truly a mystery
1 SEX_OF_PEACE 2018-06-15
1 XhotwheelsloverX 2018-06-15
Fuck Chad. Literally. Make him your bitch and watch as the roasties come to you, the new true Alpha but who cares? You have a sissy Chad as your cockholster now.
r/MGTOWWOM
1 we_are_compromised 2018-06-15
What the fuck that sub is so retarded. I think I love it.
1 kippot 2018-06-15
Nothing retarded about really manly men
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
If a enough of them keep themselves safe maybe the government will give them suicide prevention girlfriends or something.
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
Where can I sign up for a gubmint-sponsored bigtiddygothgf?
1 Nopepole 2018-06-15
Its a lopsidedtiddypreppygf
1 kwawi 2018-06-15
That's when u get when those darn financial conservative neoliberals keep making cuts in Girlfriend Redistribution services. "Starve the beast" austerity is all those fucks know. Soon they'll start lowering our Blowjob rations.
1 Nitra0007 2018-06-15
Literally the plot of Cuban Fury.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Fury