I'm going to go even further center and say that a 13 year old is not the best decision maker when it comes to medical decisions with permanent, disfiguring consequences.
Problem is that if they turn out to be actually trans its much harder to transition convincingly if you've gone through puberty. WIth puberty blcokers if it turns out they aren't trans they can just stop taking them and become healthy young men or whatever.
I think actual trans people make up less than 1% of the population. Everyone else is in need of therapy and support.
I recall a Dutch study, I think, where something like 80% of the kids who identified as trans while teenagers did not identify as trans gender as adults.
look, letting a kid fuck his life up is child abuse
if you want to pretend to be a girl when youre 18 then fine but any action or encouragement or puberty blockers or whatever the fuck before then should be banned and enforceable by taking peoples children away
It's a lot harder to pass if you start transitioning at 18. Apparently kids that start transitioning before they hit puberty are able to easily pass. But I agree, I'm uneasy about having a kid make such a huge decision for the rest of their life.
passing isnt important because youre going to have to tell people anyway tbh
and people pass way less than they think they do, ive seen maybe 2 people ever that id say would pass as the opposite sex but then they say a couple of words and its illusion shattered
do you think delaying puberty has no side effects? hormones affect growth and development massively, and not having them means you grow up stunted and deformed
And once they've 'figured it out' and reached maturity (both mentally and legally), you'll be with them every step of the way, happy to support whichever decision they choose to take, right?
Nah, I'll mock them and call them a man and a deviant. Which is fine, because that's what they are.
Bullying adults for their stupid choices is a noble calling. Allowing children to make make major, life-changing decisions regarding their bodies is child abuse.
Children don't have bodily autonomy, and that's a very good thing.
Although the risks are speculative and based on limited evidence, boys who undergo puberty suppression may be at greater risk for the development of testicular microcalcifications, which may be associated with an increased risk of testicular cancer, and puberty suppression in boys may also be associated with obesity.[
If you honestly believe giving a dangerous drug (meant to treat real medical issues not related to gender disphoria) to a child with unknown results, then there is no amount of cited material that will change your mind.
The potential long-term risks of cross-sex hormones aren’t well known, but are likely modest, according to Joshua Safer, one of the authors of the Endocrine Society’s “Clinical Practice Guideline” for treatment of gender dysphoria.)
Where does the ES state that hormone treatment for children is "safe and effective"? You have a cite?
Puberty blockers before the later two stages of puberty can cause irreversible changes to secondary and some primary sex characteristics.
For example a MtF kid on puberty blockers early in life who decides to reverse his decision will probably end up with a micro penis, narrow shoulders, manlet, sterility, and problems growing hair.
You can't just postpone a process like puberty and have it come back in full force. The body has windows of time for growth.
I'm all for cute traps but people are WAY too easy about pumping their kinds full of hormones(the blockers are hormones).
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
“Given its potential importance in the lives of the affected children, it is worth carefully examining these claims about reversibility. In developmental biology, it makes little sense to describe anything as “reversible.” If a child does not develop certain characteristics at age 12 because of a medical intervention, then his or her developing those characteristics at age 18 is not a “reversal,” since the sequence of development has already been disrupted. This is especially important since there is a complex relationship between physiological and psychosocial development during adolescence. Gender identity is shaped during puberty and adolescence as young people’s bodies become more sexually differentiated and mature. Given how little we understand about gender identity and how it is formed and consolidated, we should be cautious about interfering with the normal process of sexual maturation.”
Lol they look like their original gender and aren't infertile, something which your unlinked but quoted study doesn't dispute. You're misunderstanding scientific terminology.
You haven't said anything to rebut lol, you're quoting true shit but either misinterpreting it or its irrelevant. As I've said, nothing you've said contradicts me.
Most critically, unlike children affected by precocious puberty, adolescents with gender dysphoria do not have any physiological disorders of puberty that are being corrected by the puberty-suppressing drugs. The fact that children with suppressed precocious puberty between ages 8 and 12 resume puberty at age 13 does not mean that adolescents suffering from gender dysphoria whose puberty is suppressed beginning at age 12 will simply resume normal pubertal development down the road if they choose to withdraw from the puberty-suppressing treatment and choose not to undergo other sex-reassignment procedures. Another troubling question that has been largely uninvestigated is what psychological consequences there might be for children with gender dysphoria whose puberty has been suppressed and who later come to identify as their biological sex.”
Adolescents don't have anything that's cured by delaying puberty, but that's not what anyone claiming. What I'm claiming is that HRT has less of an effect after puberty, and puberty blockers delay puberty until adolescents at a high likelihood of gender dysphoria are adults and can decide whether they want to go through with permanent treatments.
No, I claimed that they'd become healthy individuals of their gender afterwards, aka what is commonly understood as being reversible outside of specific medical and scientific contexts.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
Lol “reversible”. People used to flip out over hormones in beef. Now we literally give hormones to kids to interfere with their development. After this hysteria is over people will look back in shame.
Don’t you think, before we start giving new drugs to kids, we should prove that they are safe? Not the other way round, hand out like candy unless somebody can prove otherwise.
How when we haven’t had time to test long term side effects, not even in animals. I heard that if a boy goes on puberty blockers and decides to stop taking them later, he ends up sterile with a micropenis.
Do you honestly think you’re the first person to think this? You don’t think this has crossed the mind of any of the qualified physicians and psychologists recommending these treatments? Do you think it hasn’t, and they’re all just utter morons, or do you think it’s possible they might have access to some additional information that makes the matter a little more complex?
It's not like the information is classified. If there is more info then share it, speculating about its existence is deliberately misleading.
It also makes sense that doctors don't want to be on the 5 o'clock news with some purple haired it-thing screetching about their practice so the doctors just roll over and let crazies be crazy.
You trust the doctors who are going to make money off the treatments to decide? Look what happened with opiods. There are plenty of doctors who just don't give a shit what happens to their patients as long as they get a steady stream of revenue from them.
Attempts are for pussies, if you want to kill yourself, you kill yourself, thats why men are better at it than women as a rule. Attempts are calls for help, but if I wanted to off myself for sure right now, balconies are easy to find.
What I can't find currently and I'm going to lunch so won't, is the actual suicide rate pre and post. Fuck attempts.
Im sure erotomaniac or schizos would live a much better life too if we would bend the entire society to pander to their mental illness instead of actually telling them they're insane.
Again, HRT and surgery for gender disphoric cases is as much a "treatment" as forcing the victims of erotomaniacs to love them.
And your soruces proved that transitioning made no impact on their suicidal rate. Family rejection does, with or without hrt/surgery. (since your studies doesn't differentiate)
The equivalent of depression drugs (drugs that fix imbalances in brain chemistry afaik?) in GD would be a drug that make them feel in adequacy with their body, not the other way around.
And your sources show nothing, because your source define trans as "anybody that feels like it", from actual trannies, to the trendy "gender-fuild" fucks that are spreading in north-america (because social contagion is actually a thing).
You don't fucking understand the analogy I was using. Depression drugs can have some pretty awful side effects but they're still a useful treatment, like transitioning.
Lol pseudologic. I have no idea where this retarded claim comes from; you absolutely can prove a negative. The absence of the moon is scientifically speaking just as provable as the presence of the moon.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
Actually, its only labelled a mental illness if its a problem for the individual eg. Someone won't be diagnosed as a schizophrenic if it doesn't negatively impact them.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
Last time I've checked, in supportive enviroments transitioning cuts the suicide rate from 50% to 4%. Call me back when treating trans people for depression will do this trick :)
Unfortunately they would still be male biologically. A more ideal situation would be taking their brains out and putting them in female bodies. Sounds like as Sci Fi joke I know lol, but companies like Neuralink and Kernel are doing interesting work:
Lol sources m8. As I've shown via shit copy pasted in other comments in their thread, suicide rates significantly decrease with stuff like familial acceptance.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
It's less a single source and more several studies conducted by psychologists. There's a reason why HRT is now consider a valid part of treatment for transgender people. Here's an example.
According the study, people who'd taken HRT were half as likely to contemplate suicide.
Edit: Copied and modified from genderanalysis.net.
Living as one’s identified gender, receiving cross-sex hormone therapy, and undergoing gender-affirming surgeries have all been found to alleviate gender dysphoria for appropriately diagnosed individuals1. Transitioning is known to reduce psychological issues2 such as depressive symptoms3, anxiety4, stress5, and suicidal tendencies5, while increasing overall quality of life6 and general functioning7.
[1]de Vries et al., 2014; Fisher et al., 2014; Murad et al., 2010; Smith, van Goozen, & Cohen-Kettenis, 2001; Cohen-Kettenis & van Goozen, 1997
[2]Keo-Meier et al., 2015; Meyenburg, Kröger, & Neugebauer, 2015; Ruppin & Pfäfflin, 2015; Davis & Meier, 2014; Heylens, Verroken, De Cock, T’Sjoen, & De Cuypere, 2014; Hori et al., 2014
[3] Boza & Perry, 2014; Gorin-Lazard et al., 2013
[4] Gómez-Gil et al., 2012
[5] Murad et al., 2010; De Cuypere et al., 2006; Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis, 1988
[6] Gómez-Gil, Zubiaurre-Elorza, de Antonio, Guillamon, & Salamero, 2014; Manieri et al., 2014; Gorin-Lazard et al., 2012; Ainsworth & Spiegel, 2010
[7] de Vries, Steensma, Doreleijers, & Cohen-Kettenis, 2011; Pimenoff & Pfäfflin, 2011; Johansson, Sundbom, Höjerback, & Bodlund, 2010; De Cuypere et al., 2006
The problem is that it is impossible to accurately diagnose dysphoria before puberty ends. The highest cited rate I've seen was 54%, but most are around 25%-30%, and I've seen a few in the 10% range. And detransitioning is extremely harmful, so the whole "do no harm" part of the Hippocratic Oath matters.
Google "The Dutch Approach" for a paper with lots of citations.
Maybe because it is reported as sexual abuse if a homeless looks at a girl, whereas a 6 year old boy can get fucked in the ass by his female teacher with a strapon and everyone will call him a player.
The Atlantic is incredible at producing outrage just by virtue of publishing balanced, well-researched articles that actually cut to the truth rather than pandering to any given side. It's the best publication out there imo tbqhwy
Maybe I'm missing out because I'm not exposed to them, but I've never seen anything purposefully inflammatory or misleading from them. Their long-form articles are fantastic at least.
People already hate him. If you've spent any time on ghazi, you'll see he pissed off people years ago with the trans stuff. I think he said someone who everyone thinks is a terf had some good points. That's why I figure people are going to lose their minds.
Well fuck, according to a lot of these people, that tomboy should have had life altering surgery, or started taking extreme hormones. You know, instead of just being a confused kid.
I can wait until true VR and AI waifus arrive so i can unplug 100% and not deal with political drama. Im just gonna work to sustain myself and live in a VR beach with my waifu.
if there's anything i know about /r/drama trans drama, it's that you can always find /u/pitterpatterwater dying on some shitty hill in the comment section.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
Max Robinson went on cross-sex hormones when she was 16 and had a double mastectomy when she was 17. Now 22, she has detransitioned and identifies as a woman.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-06-18
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1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-18
https://outline.com/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/
1 AugustusTheWolf 2018-06-18
the bot is self aware
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-06-18
More so than most posters tbqh
1 boyoyoyoyong 2018-06-18
I would hate if someone looked into how many of these children were sexually
1 alice_monaghan 2018-06-18
Most trannies are M (to F). Most victims of sexual abuse are girls. I think the real issue is that males are more prone to mental illness.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Radically centrist position: gender dysphoria is a mental illness and transitioning is the best treatment.
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
I'm going to go even further center and say that a 13 year old is not the best decision maker when it comes to medical decisions with permanent, disfiguring consequences.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Which is why you just put them on reversible puberty blockers if a psychiatrist determines there's a high probability of gender dysphoria.
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
Or, maybe just let them wear a dress for a while until they figure it out?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Problem is that if they turn out to be actually trans its much harder to transition convincingly if you've gone through puberty. WIth puberty blcokers if it turns out they aren't trans they can just stop taking them and become healthy young men or whatever.
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
IF. This condition is far more rare than modern pop science and psychology would have you believe.
1 lickedTators 2018-06-18
How many people do you think pretend to be trans or just think they're trans compared to how many are actually trans?
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
I think actual trans people make up less than 1% of the population. Everyone else is in need of therapy and support.
I recall a Dutch study, I think, where something like 80% of the kids who identified as trans while teenagers did not identify as trans gender as adults.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Exactly, that's why you give puberty blockers and frilly dresses instead of permanent shit.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-06-18
100-age%
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
or just slap them
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Tbh perhaps you wouldn't have turned out this way if your father had been more willing to use the 6' stick and not the 6" stick.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
look, letting a kid fuck his life up is child abuse
if you want to pretend to be a girl when youre 18 then fine but any action or encouragement or puberty blockers or whatever the fuck before then should be banned and enforceable by taking peoples children away
1 parduscat 2018-06-18
It's a lot harder to pass if you start transitioning at 18. Apparently kids that start transitioning before they hit puberty are able to easily pass. But I agree, I'm uneasy about having a kid make such a huge decision for the rest of their life.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
passing isnt important because youre going to have to tell people anyway tbh
and people pass way less than they think they do, ive seen maybe 2 people ever that id say would pass as the opposite sex but then they say a couple of words and its illusion shattered
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
In what way do puberty blockers, which are REVERSIBLE, do that?
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
its not really reversible though is it, its going to leave them some weird underdeveloped baby faced castrato like 99% of the time
kids cant consent, ergo theyre not informed enough to make decisions that affect their whole lives
its not a difficult concept
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
No it doesn't lol. You're thinking of HRT.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
a kid that turns 18 and hasnt gone through puberty yet is going to look like a weird genderless alien im sorry to tell you
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
They will go through puberty after they go off the puberty blockers you utter retard.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
do you think delaying puberty has no side effects? hormones affect growth and development massively, and not having them means you grow up stunted and deformed
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
You retard, you get them back and go through normal puberty when the puberty blockers are stopped.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
its to politicized for any studies to be genuine or trustworthy
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
This is what daddyfuckers actually believe.
1 blackbluegrey 2018-06-18
And once they've 'figured it out' and reached maturity (both mentally and legally), you'll be with them every step of the way, happy to support whichever decision they choose to take, right?
1 DorianMauve 2018-06-18
Nah, I'll mock them and call them a man and a deviant. Which is fine, because that's what they are.
Bullying adults for their stupid choices is a noble calling. Allowing children to make make major, life-changing decisions regarding their bodies is child abuse.
Children don't have bodily autonomy, and that's a very good thing.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-06-18
puberty blockers literally cause cancer.
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/growing-pains
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-06-18
You just highlighted the important parts. Block puberty = get fat and get cancer. Have fun with that.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-06-18
Why are you so hung up on convincing people to transition and take puberty blockers at a young age?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Because its entertaining to be the devils advocate and argue with retards online.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
trannies are devils, we agree
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
In bed, yeah.
1 eshade94 2018-06-18
Gets proven wrong.
“Y-yeah, but what’s your real motive?!?”
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-06-18
If you honestly believe giving a dangerous drug (meant to treat real medical issues not related to gender disphoria) to a child with unknown results, then there is no amount of cited material that will change your mind.
1 eshade94 2018-06-18
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Confirmed as a safe and effective treatment by the Endocrine Society lol.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
Where does the ES state that hormone treatment for children is "safe and effective"? You have a cite?
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1 TrannyPornO 2018-06-18
Short fetish?
1 aqouta 2018-06-18
I have absolutely no confidence that puberty blockers aren't going to be found out to be devastating on something later in life.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
There's a link between some puberty blockers and bone weakness later in life, from kids who used them due to early puberties.
1 CuriousKrow 2018-06-18
Hey there.
Puberty blockers before the later two stages of puberty can cause irreversible changes to secondary and some primary sex characteristics.
For example a MtF kid on puberty blockers early in life who decides to reverse his decision will probably end up with a micro penis, narrow shoulders, manlet, sterility, and problems growing hair.
You can't just postpone a process like puberty and have it come back in full force. The body has windows of time for growth.
I'm all for cute traps but people are WAY too easy about pumping their kinds full of hormones(the blockers are hormones).
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Provide sources lol. The case you're citing was about HRT if I remember correctly, not puberty blockers.
1 CuriousKrow 2018-06-18
I've had this discussion too many times so I'll just hyperlink.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6zlrik/srd_said_something_meme_crosses_fly_when_people/dmwito9/
1 FcpEcvRtq 2018-06-18
Nigga you said "lalala no source" all day long but you won't even respond to this /u/CuriousKrow nigga
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 michgot 2018-06-18
Islammybad teehee
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
That still fucks their normal growth
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Give proof lol. I'm talking about puberty blockers, which are completely reversible, not HRT.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
Are you saying blocking puberty does not fuck normal growth? Are you for real?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Arguments from incredulity lol. Provide sources saying that they aren't completely reversible.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
“Given its potential importance in the lives of the affected children, it is worth carefully examining these claims about reversibility. In developmental biology, it makes little sense to describe anything as “reversible.” If a child does not develop certain characteristics at age 12 because of a medical intervention, then his or her developing those characteristics at age 18 is not a “reversal,” since the sequence of development has already been disrupted. This is especially important since there is a complex relationship between physiological and psychosocial development during adolescence. Gender identity is shaped during puberty and adolescence as young people’s bodies become more sexually differentiated and mature. Given how little we understand about gender identity and how it is formed and consolidated, we should be cautious about interfering with the normal process of sexual maturation.”
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol they look like their original gender and aren't infertile, something which your unlinked but quoted study doesn't dispute. You're misunderstanding scientific terminology.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
I don’t see you te buying anything :)
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
You haven't said anything to rebut lol, you're quoting true shit but either misinterpreting it or its irrelevant. As I've said, nothing you've said contradicts me.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
It does ;)
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
Most critically, unlike children affected by precocious puberty, adolescents with gender dysphoria do not have any physiological disorders of puberty that are being corrected by the puberty-suppressing drugs. The fact that children with suppressed precocious puberty between ages 8 and 12 resume puberty at age 13 does not mean that adolescents suffering from gender dysphoria whose puberty is suppressed beginning at age 12 will simply resume normal pubertal development down the road if they choose to withdraw from the puberty-suppressing treatment and choose not to undergo other sex-reassignment procedures. Another troubling question that has been largely uninvestigated is what psychological consequences there might be for children with gender dysphoria whose puberty has been suppressed and who later come to identify as their biological sex.”
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/growing-pains#we_dont_know
Would you like to know more?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Adolescents don't have anything that's cured by delaying puberty, but that's not what anyone claiming. What I'm claiming is that HRT has less of an effect after puberty, and puberty blockers delay puberty until adolescents at a high likelihood of gender dysphoria are adults and can decide whether they want to go through with permanent treatments.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2018-06-18
No, you claimed it didn’t affected their growth
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
No, I claimed that they'd become healthy individuals of their gender afterwards, aka what is commonly understood as being reversible outside of specific medical and scientific contexts.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 woetotheconquered 2018-06-18
Are you trans by the the way? You sure seem to have a vested interest.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Nope.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
Lol “reversible”. People used to flip out over hormones in beef. Now we literally give hormones to kids to interfere with their development. After this hysteria is over people will look back in shame.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
No they won't lol.
Provide evidence that didn't come out of your asshole that PUBERTY BLOCKERS aren't undoable.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
Don’t you think, before we start giving new drugs to kids, we should prove that they are safe? Not the other way round, hand out like candy unless somebody can prove otherwise.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
They are proven safe lmao.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
How when we haven’t had time to test long term side effects, not even in animals. I heard that if a boy goes on puberty blockers and decides to stop taking them later, he ends up sterile with a micropenis.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
That's HRT you retard.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
There is no difference. The rental car mounts.
1 TrannyPornO 2018-06-18
Tell that to their epiphyseal plates.
1 -dEbAsEr 2018-06-18
Do you honestly think you’re the first person to think this? You don’t think this has crossed the mind of any of the qualified physicians and psychologists recommending these treatments? Do you think it hasn’t, and they’re all just utter morons, or do you think it’s possible they might have access to some additional information that makes the matter a little more complex?
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
Yes. Yes I do. I think I'm the smartest person in the world.
1 -dEbAsEr 2018-06-18
What’s 84 x 19
1 SkaterMan 2018-06-18
80 x 10 = 800
4 x 10 = 40
80 x 9 = 720
4 x 9 = 36
800 + 36 + 720 + 40 = stop making me do your math hw
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-06-18
1680 - 84 is easier though.
1 SkaterMan 2018-06-18
I mean i couldve also just used a calculator but im here to flex on autists.
1 crispypancake25 2018-06-18
I too do my multiplication like this.
1 aqouta 2018-06-18
Why not do 84x10 instead of seperating it?
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
F12
84 * 19
1596
WEWLAD THAT WAS HARD, NEXT?
1 Maxwyfe 2018-06-18
Trump's fault.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-06-18
This dude seems confident and I'm unironically on his side now. Quit hurting kids /u/-dEbAsEr
1 kier00 2018-06-18
It's not like the information is classified. If there is more info then share it, speculating about its existence is deliberately misleading.
It also makes sense that doctors don't want to be on the 5 o'clock news with some purple haired it-thing screetching about their practice so the doctors just roll over and let crazies be crazy.
1 FcpEcvRtq 2018-06-18
Is this even seriousposting anymore? If it is, it's a horrible one
1 drvgyn3 2018-06-18
stopped reading lol
1 -dEbAsEr 2018-06-18
And what’s your PhD in friendo?
1 Death_Trolley 2018-06-18
If you’re here to say that shitposting isn’t a serious field academics, you won’t find any friends
1 -OrganisedChaos- 2018-06-18
I'll take what is a psychiatrist for 400 please, Alex.
1 Redactor0 2018-06-18
You trust the doctors who are going to make money off the treatments to decide? Look what happened with opiods. There are plenty of doctors who just don't give a shit what happens to their patients as long as they get a steady stream of revenue from them.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
hey bud, /r/subredditdrama is that way ------------->
smell ya later, loser
YIKES!
1 Chicup 2018-06-18
Suicide rate stays about the same, so eh, mentally is is mentally ill.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
No, it actually does not.
1 Chicup 2018-06-18
You still feel like just going to the void don't you?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Transgender people who are rejected by their families or lack social support are much more likely to both consider suicide, and to attempt it.
Those with strong support were 86% less likely to attempt suicide
transgender youth whose parents reject their gender identity are 13 times more likely to attempt suicide than transgender youth who are supported by their parents.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Edit: added information.
1 Chicup 2018-06-18
Suicide attempts =/ actual suicides
Attempts are for pussies, if you want to kill yourself, you kill yourself, thats why men are better at it than women as a rule. Attempts are calls for help, but if I wanted to off myself for sure right now, balconies are easy to find.
What I can't find currently and I'm going to lunch so won't, is the actual suicide rate pre and post. Fuck attempts.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
FTFY.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Im sure erotomaniac or schizos would live a much better life too if we would bend the entire society to pander to their mental illness instead of actually telling them they're insane.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
La la la, I've provided sources and you haven't.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Source for what? That maybe feeling disgusted by your own body and wanting to chop-off your own dick isn't exactly something normal?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
I admit it's a mental illness, for which the best treatment is transitioning.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Again, HRT and surgery for gender disphoric cases is as much a "treatment" as forcing the victims of erotomaniacs to love them.
And your soruces proved that transitioning made no impact on their suicidal rate. Family rejection does, with or without hrt/surgery. (since your studies doesn't differentiate)
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
My sources say otherwise, lol. If it improves mental health, it's a treatment.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
The equivalent of depression drugs (drugs that fix imbalances in brain chemistry afaik?) in GD would be a drug that make them feel in adequacy with their body, not the other way around.
And your sources show nothing, because your source define trans as "anybody that feels like it", from actual trannies, to the trendy "gender-fuild" fucks that are spreading in north-america (because social contagion is actually a thing).
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
You don't fucking understand the analogy I was using. Depression drugs can have some pretty awful side effects but they're still a useful treatment, like transitioning.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Depression drugs are an actual T R E A T M E N T.
Changing pronouns and injecting yourself with estrogen to grow tits I S N T.
get it?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol my sources show otherwise. If it improves mental health reliably, it's a treatment.
1 eva_unit_hung 2018-06-18
literally nobody cares about your (((sources)))
trannies barely exist outside the internet, and that's still too much of them
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
You mong, you can't prove a negative.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol pseudologic. I have no idea where this retarded claim comes from; you absolutely can prove a negative. The absence of the moon is scientifically speaking just as provable as the presence of the moon.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
Prove that there is only one Moon.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Burden of proof is on you here m8.
With what was claimed to be proving a negative, burden of proof was shared.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
I'm asking you for proof that two Moons don't generally circle the Earth.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Burden of proof is on you here and shared there lol.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
Null Hypothesis, what is it?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
That's not how that works lol.
1 eva_unit_hung 2018-06-18
ftfy
1 westofthetracks 2018-06-18
literally why would you ever want people to be more normal. like how do you end up being that fucking boring a person
1 westofthetracks 2018-06-18
literally why would you ever want people to be more normal. like how do you end up being that fucking boring a person
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 -OrganisedChaos- 2018-06-18
Actually, its only labelled a mental illness if its a problem for the individual eg. Someone won't be diagnosed as a schizophrenic if it doesn't negatively impact them.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lalala you haven't provided any sources.
1 FcpEcvRtq 2018-06-18
I know they're different studies but those numbers dont add up lmao
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-06-18
Actually the best treatment for gender dysphoria is treating the patient for depression.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Provide evidence m8. I've provided links to many sources, you haven't.
1 CucksLoveTrump 2018-06-18
the best treatment for gender dysphoria is one ounce of lead, delivered at supersonic speeds through the temple
1 PierligBouloven 2018-06-18
Last time I've checked, in supportive enviroments transitioning cuts the suicide rate from 50% to 4%. Call me back when treating trans people for depression will do this trick :)
1 KingWayneX 2018-06-18
DAMNNNNN! BTFFFFO!!!!!
1 aqouta 2018-06-18
Radical centrist hot take, transitioning men into women should be our default position on all mental illnesses and any violent criminals too.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Not if they don't keep the dick though.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Oh, look, short term self-reporting!
Meanwhile, 40% suicide rate, post-op or pre-op.
1 ChromeGhost 2018-06-18
Unfortunately they would still be male biologically. A more ideal situation would be taking their brains out and putting them in female bodies. Sounds like as Sci Fi joke I know lol, but companies like Neuralink and Kernel are doing interesting work:
https://www.livescience.com/59326-companies-investing-in-brain-hacking-tech.html
1 alice_monaghan 2018-06-18
Is that why so many trans regret disfiguring themselves and keep committing suicide 🤔
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Sources lol.
1 alice_monaghan 2018-06-18
If this is legitimately news to you then why are you even part of this conversation. If trolling, then we'll done.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol sources m8. As I've shown via shit copy pasted in other comments in their thread, suicide rates significantly decrease with stuff like familial acceptance.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 911roofer 2018-06-18
At least the problem is self-correcting.
1 dratamard 2018-06-18
they should transition and also not expect people to make believe they're actually womyn
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Never said they should, just that it;s the proven best treatment.
1 dratamard 2018-06-18
i never said you did, do you have a feminine penis? awfully worked up about this for a radical centrist
trannies tend to suck because theyre usually
trannies are good when theyre
the only move is to let them live their lives, while mocking them like we do everyone else
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Tbh I just like arguing.
1 SJCards 2018-06-18
The emojis and formatting really helped to convey the centrist outlook. Thank you.
1 Destirigon 2018-06-18
This but unironically tbh.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
its a shit treatment that disfigures people for life and makes vaginas with hairballs in them
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol no sources.
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
yeah turns out its easier to enable someones mental illness than to challenge it and ultimately fix it, who could have predicted
doesnt mean its a good idea
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
Other types of body disphoria, the treatment is mental therapy.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Papa, there's an extensive body of evidence I've cited showing that the best treatment for gender dysphoria in particular is transitioning.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
“Best” “treatment” — by whose definition?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
By my definition.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
How can the best treatment be to indulge a delusion, rather than addressing the underlying illnesses?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
It's less a single source and more several studies conducted by psychologists. There's a reason why HRT is now consider a valid part of treatment for transgender people. Here's an example.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/suicide-risk-for-trans-people-can-be-reduced-new-study-shows/article24959678/
According the study, people who'd taken HRT were half as likely to contemplate suicide.
Edit: Copied and modified from genderanalysis.net.
Living as one’s identified gender, receiving cross-sex hormone therapy, and undergoing gender-affirming surgeries have all been found to alleviate gender dysphoria for appropriately diagnosed individuals1. Transitioning is known to reduce psychological issues2 such as depressive symptoms3, anxiety4, stress5, and suicidal tendencies5, while increasing overall quality of life6 and general functioning7.
[1]de Vries et al., 2014; Fisher et al., 2014; Murad et al., 2010; Smith, van Goozen, & Cohen-Kettenis, 2001; Cohen-Kettenis & van Goozen, 1997
[2]Keo-Meier et al., 2015; Meyenburg, Kröger, & Neugebauer, 2015; Ruppin & Pfäfflin, 2015; Davis & Meier, 2014; Heylens, Verroken, De Cock, T’Sjoen, & De Cuypere, 2014; Hori et al., 2014
[3] Boza & Perry, 2014; Gorin-Lazard et al., 2013
[4] Gómez-Gil et al., 2012
[5] Murad et al., 2010; De Cuypere et al., 2006; Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis, 1988
[6] Gómez-Gil, Zubiaurre-Elorza, de Antonio, Guillamon, & Salamero, 2014; Manieri et al., 2014; Gorin-Lazard et al., 2012; Ainsworth & Spiegel, 2010
[7] de Vries, Steensma, Doreleijers, & Cohen-Kettenis, 2011; Pimenoff & Pfäfflin, 2011; Johansson, Sundbom, Höjerback, & Bodlund, 2010; De Cuypere et al., 2006
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
That’s different than messing with kids who can’t consent.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Which is why you give puberty blockers and HRT, and only if a psychiatrist gives the go-ahead.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
I’m done arguing with a TRA who is more obsessed with proving his ideology than with the well-being of children.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Try harder lol.
1 NoahHaders 2018-06-18
Blocked
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lmao.
1 o11c 2018-06-18
You're actually correct.
The problem is that it is impossible to accurately diagnose dysphoria before puberty ends. The highest cited rate I've seen was 54%, but most are around 25%-30%, and I've seen a few in the 10% range. And detransitioning is extremely harmful, so the whole "do no harm" part of the Hippocratic Oath matters.
Google "The Dutch Approach" for a paper with lots of citations.
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Good thing that puberty blockers aren't permanent and can be undone, then.
1 o11c 2018-06-18
Except that's not true.
Even if the physical effects can be (which, as far as I know, has not been proven), the social effects are quite traumatizing.
"Hey look everybody, it's that boy who said he was a girl for a few years and then gave up!"
Plus, there's the fact that puberty blockers are BLOCKING THE NATURAL CURE for the 70% case.
1 die_rattin 2018-06-18
I guess it’s harmless and can be undone if you don’t mind being a short dude with a tiny dick. People like those, right?
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Lol 0 evidence that what you say is true. Lalala, I provides sources and you didn't.
1 znaXTdWhGV 2018-06-18
we don't tell schizophrenics that the voices are real
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Imagine hinkinnthat the treatment for every mental disorders is necessarily the same.
1 RollBread 2018-06-18
Counterpoint: our current medical technology for gender transitions is at best medieval and doesn't do shit to help people.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
how do pakis treat trans
1 pitterpatterwater 2018-06-18
Via a high building.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
counters everything you posted, but yes, i agree
instead of high building i suggest a psychotic ward tho
1 gergerherher 2018-06-18
Maybe because it is reported as sexual abuse if a homeless looks at a girl, whereas a 6 year old boy can get fucked in the ass by his female teacher with a strapon and everyone will call him a player.
1 GeauxHouston22 2018-06-18
lmao what a comment
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-18
Now re read that strap on part! 😂😂😂
1 gergerherher 2018-06-18
Lee me alon
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
Trannism is highly correlated with autism. Males are more autistic, obviously
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
nah society is easy on women and so weak men want that privilege
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
you mean, M to M (without benis)
1 modsarethebest 2018-06-18
seriously doubt this. unless by "girls" you mean women in their 20s.
1 SamsonFox 2018-06-18
Not anymore, at least as The Economist suggests.
1 itsnotmyfault 2018-06-18
The author's twitter: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1008682499554381825
some minor criticism there:
https://twitter.com/Areelgoodfish/status/1008691999413882881
https://twitter.com/Jimmyphotons/status/1008714534306045952
https://twitter.com/ryduhh/status/1008719934833217536
https://twitter.com/GoodWitchLeigh/status/1008720029695660033
A search for username pings on him: https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%40jessesingal
Someone hella mad: https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1008700964482830336
The Atlantic's official tweet : https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1008670183345590272
Mad: https://twitter.com/RileyJayDennis/status/1008710783251898368
https://twitter.com/rlgordonma/status/1008684021675626496
https://twitter.com/Palle_Hoffstein/status/1008692477686177792
https://twitter.com/innateOps/status/1008671184098033664
https://twitter.com/kyblot/status/1008696150633959424
https://twitter.com/flangy/status/1008708571637272579
https://twitter.com/JohnSeaborn/status/1008717437368446977
https://twitter.com/Unionhawk/status/1008701425449361408
https://twitter.com/jo_mosexual/status/1008715129242910720
Editor in chief: https://twitter.com/JeffreyGoldberg/status/1008668586469191681
Super mad: https://twitter.com/KeatsTabby/status/1008696510350020608
https://twitter.com/thedenature/status/1008697634599645185
https://twitter.com/pitbop/status/1008713095802474496
https://twitter.com/JohnMonch/status/1008728111708561408
https://twitter.com/MaraWilson/status/1008716655612923904
https://twitter.com/kyblot/status/1008701697127075841
https://twitter.com/thedenature/status/1008700909621334016
https://twitter.com/dbenstart/status/1008698892765024257
1 DrRockzosCocaine 2018-06-18
I would say you are doing god's work but considering we have mayos, he probably doesn't exist.
1 itsnotmyfault 2018-06-18
You'll be disappointed to know that you'd do a lot better just scrolling through the twitter mentions yourself.
https://twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/1008747358555967488
https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1008737588608286720
https://twitter.com/AliceDreger/status/1008711467833667584
https://twitter.com/rgay/status/1008742206755262471
https://twitter.com/EvelynLesh/status/1008712362419937280
https://twitter.com/KilgoreSprout/status/1008696894573502464
https://twitter.com/jbarkerdesigns/status/1008698021025116160
https://twitter.com/SapphicEllyCat/status/1008711057681141760
https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1008742225554149377
1 snallygaster 2018-06-18
The Atlantic is incredible at producing outrage just by virtue of publishing balanced, well-researched articles that actually cut to the truth rather than pandering to any given side. It's the best publication out there imo tbqhwy
1 Hammer_of_truthiness 2018-06-18
What a radically centrist take snalpal.
The Atlantic is one of the litmus tests I use to determine whether or not people are whackadoo.
1 throwawayact69 2018-06-18
The Atlantic really tends to be hit or miss. It depends on the author, it's produced total shit at times.
1 snallygaster 2018-06-18
Maybe I'm missing out because I'm not exposed to them, but I've never seen anything purposefully inflammatory or misleading from them. Their long-form articles are fantastic at least.
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
nyet
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-06-18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVcpfncOWs
1 itsnotmyfault 2018-06-18
That's not "You Got The Touch"
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-06-18
Decepticons, cuts pretty close to the bone since we're discussing trannies and all
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Tranny twitter is the best.
They're already pretty much completly insane from the get go, obviously, but Twitter makes them so fucking unhinged it's glorious.
1 ltedt 2018-06-18
This is really juicy. People are so mad with this article lmao it's amazing
1 parameciidae 2018-06-18
Jesse Singal wrote this? Yeah, people are going to be fucking mad. All that guy has to do is breathe and he creates trans drama.
1 ChateauJack 2018-06-18
Tbh, all one has to do to create tranny drama is call a man or a woman by their actual pronoun.
Tranny drama is easy mode.
1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-06-18
Their slave pronouns
1 LSU_Coonass 2018-06-18
Imagine being so weak you can be enslaved by words.
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
That's hot.
1 911roofer 2018-06-18
That's what Doug Tennapel did. I love that man in a completely homosexual way , and he will never return my feelings. Feels bad, man.
1 CucksLoveTrump 2018-06-18
he even leads off the article with an account of a kid who ended up realizing they were just a tomboy
1 parameciidae 2018-06-18
People already hate him. If you've spent any time on ghazi, you'll see he pissed off people years ago with the trans stuff. I think he said someone who everyone thinks is a terf had some good points. That's why I figure people are going to lose their minds.
1 CucksLoveTrump 2018-06-18
I'm already retarded enough by posting here
1 nybbas 2018-06-18
Well fuck, according to a lot of these people, that tomboy should have had life altering surgery, or started taking extreme hormones. You know, instead of just being a confused kid.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-06-18
I wonder if the part where he focused exclusively on FtM while his detractors are mostly MtF and their detractors are female terfs was intentional.
1 headasplodes 2018-06-18
This is wrong, right?
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2018-06-18
normally you'd add a descriptor, or drop a semicolon and and list the factors. I don't think it's bad English tho.
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
I found some juicy bits
In the dumpster behind a Thai dick-chopping clinic lololololol
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-06-18
Were you originally looking for your Ivy League degree?
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
holy fuck, if you arent 20+, stay away from /r/drama
this is big bang humor milquetoast tear comment posting
1 gyrotur 2018-06-18
I can wait until true VR and AI waifus arrive so i can unplug 100% and not deal with political drama. Im just gonna work to sustain myself and live in a VR beach with my waifu.
1 aqouta 2018-06-18
But what genitals would you give yourself? Have you considered the possibility of lesbo sex with your waifu or even a husbando
1 captainpriapism 2018-06-18
fucking lol jesse singal that guy is crazy
1 spooksterdookster 2018-06-18
if there's anything i know about /r/drama trans drama, it's that you can always find /u/pitterpatterwater dying on some shitty hill in the comment section.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a PATHETIC GOAT FUCKING PAKISTANI poster. A moron.
1 spooksterdookster 2018-06-18
My evidence is your mom. And it’s empirical fasho 😂
1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
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1 saddertadder 2018-06-18
jk this song is more powerfull
1 muck4doo 2018-06-18
All of this took off at an accelerated rate once GMO food was introduced. Coikidinks? I think not.
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1 Space_Pirate_R 2018-06-18
Thanks parents.
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
Trannies are a gift from the gods. You could not invent a more ridiculous, insane and obviously wrong opponent.
1 _MAGAMEMNON_ 2018-06-18
kek
1 die_rattin 2018-06-18
I hope that’s a pseud because she definitely has crazy trans advocates trying to track her down