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The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape.

jokes on you /u/peaked2late i don't pay for porn

>free rape

>free = public

>public = freely used

>freely used implies it has been seized

>the means of reproduction have been seized

We're so close to government issued girlfriends I can taste her

I can't wait for the day where I can take my government issued girlfriend out for a wine and government cheese dinner.

I can taste her

I JUST WANNA MAKE HER FEEL GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

You cannot BUY consent, therefore a shopkeeper cannot consent to sell you anything, ergo you're all fucking THIEVES.

why didn't marx like earl grey?

because all proper tea is theft

Underrated comment 😃

But is it?

It was, before I pointed out how great a comment it is

I do not consent to you policing the sub

But he does it for free

So if I did cam-work for free, feely consenting mind you...and then gained one hundred dollars via patron through butthole exposure...that would be ok? Amirite

Yeah man

I don't need your consent, bucko

Property is theft was a quote by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, not Marx

gay

Read a book ya illiterate dingus

about marxism?

pass

Proudhon wasn't a Marxist

any kind of dialectics.

fuck historicism.

fuck philosophy and all written language as well

The worst part is that horrible misspelling of paid.

The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape.

ehhh it's not like prostitutes never refuse to service anyone, or a porn actress can't refuse to do lesbian scan gangbang interracial porn

but if they do refuse they get BLACKED-listed

afaik there's no industry-wide blacklist, the worst you can get for refusing is getting blacklisted by that studio, and it means you worked with a shit studio to begin with. somebody might argue that if a girl really needs the money and some degenerate shit is the only option she's presented it then she's essentially forced to do it, but this argument is so retarded I won't even speak about it

it was a joke retard

that joke was so shitty it didn't even look like a joke

what’s it like living with autism?

there is fucked up shit going on in the porn industry, it's stupid to say that doesn't exist. then again, that is no different from literally any career though. my brother works in landscaping and has a shit boss who doesn't pay him, greedy fucks who try to fuck you over are everywhere.

but yeah, there is def girls being forced and co-erced by varying degrees to do things they didn't want, girls talk about it all the time. like they turn up to a set and it's a rough gang bang, yet they never discussed the "rough" part, and then the director is yelling at them "FUCK YOU , YOU WON'T GET PAYED THEN BITCH", so they go along with it. I mean, you don't have to go far to find stories like that from porn actresses. but that isn't every porn company, that is just a thing that happens in various shit companies.

also, lots of these girls are fkn recruited at 18, when they are young and dumb. the shit companies with shady practices have no trouble recruiting girls, and then manipulating to do shit they probably don't want to do. if anything , the industry needs more regulations and shit. i mean the fact that all porn involves no condoms is pretty fucked up to begin with, cause ya know, STDs.

i mean the fact that all porn involves no condoms

but money shots. MONEY SHOTS.

i never personally got into cum shots, it's weird. like pulling my dick out during sex to jizz on a body part is really odd, i prefer to just cum in whatever hole i'm fucking. i also don't get the appeal of seeing a girl with her face covered in semen, like, what can i do with that? how does that satisfy me?

i won't kink shame but idk, porn is weird fam.

Thing is, there's plenty of intelligent, highly successful women in porn. Wanting to take that career away from them and saying they've actually been victims this whole time seems like the very opposite of feminism to me. McDonald's isn't a slave to fat people, it's the other way around.

Wanting to take that career away from them and saying they've actually been victims this whole time seems like the very opposite of feminism to me.

Nigga they already did it in racing and somewhere else. The end is nigh

Like people driving in circles racing? What happened?

no, like flag-waving babes. I don't think I need to explain what happened

Yeah. They also removed the babes counting rounds in boxing matches. It was too sick and abhorrent. Thank god the "feminism" is there to protect women against themselves everywhere!

Yeah I have a good friend in the car scene and she is a manager for a team. They had been raging for a while to get the flag waving girls removed and it fucked over a LOT of girls who depended on that extra money.

God forbid women could make a living using their looks and efforts!

Yeah, most of those girls were working on/have degrees and the extra cash plus networking potential is very worth it.

i fucking love this time line. i hope they eventually ban strippers and porn, just for what it will do for drama coin.

I saw a lot of hub bub on this during the start of the F1 season, but ultimately, no one cares anymore.

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The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape.

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So everyone with a job is being raped? I sure as fuck don't consent to working for free.

u/peaked2late

The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape.

The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, work of all kinds, is payed slavery.

/u/peaked2late 5 points 3 hours ago The general consensus seems to be that you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape

Glad you feel comfortable telling us making choices for ourselves is “rape” because your a prude.

Yeah that argument works on feminist lol. Are we witches and “crazy” too. Hit all the stereotypes why don’t you. Hilarious.

Well, you do appear to be in the throes of a manic episode.

Great!

You unironically hit all of the stereotypes. No need to criticize others for just pointing out that fact.

By the way, you haven't actually made an argument that consent cannot be purchased, or that adults cannot provide implied consent when they sell sexual services or products. You're just ASSERTING a highly contentious proposition and acting outraged that most people don't buy into your tortured and muddy premises.

It’s HOW they criticize. The GC woman went ad hominem with the sexist name calling within a few responses, not addressing my actual point, so she incriminated herself.

The dudebros on r/drama are mocking feminism b/c their afraid women’s words might keep them from their spank material.

How. Got it? If you have to mock people you lost.

I’m not making a point about consent, have you not been paying attention? Wtf? My point was the hypocrisy in the no-porn policy while the GC women actively participate in Objectified viewing. Read it lazy.

When the dudebros from drama trolled me my point shifted to how both sides are hypocrites. But at least the GC women have a point beyond their own interests, all the dudes here care about it touching their dicks.

Seriously. You are all so pornsick you can’t process basic ideas.

The GC woman went ad hominem with the sexist name calling within a few responses, not addressing my actual point, so she incriminated herself.

You did the exact same thing on this thread, so...

b/c they're* afraid

Who’s they? Are you referring to me as they? Lol. But my 3rd person pronouns!!

No you said "b/c their afraid" which is wrong

Oh the grammar police? Lol. Thirsty millennials get that attention!

why are you

u/wehochick in here we don't discriminate any kind of porn. You can watch efukt, ftvgirls, girlsoutwest. You name it. We embrace the kinkness.

I just honestly can't get the narrative that women are forced 100% of the time to do porn. I mean, look at all those sellers on reddit, pornhub, and so on. Don't know why you keep fighting this uphill battle.

Why I’m fighting what? Lol. Some troll claimed you don’t allow porn watchers like she’s a mod. And? What is the “uphill battle” I’m a media professional I’m showing this fool that there are multiple ways to view objectifying images and she herself participates in them from an objectified viewing position, so how does she get to judge. You don’t get to police others ever, especially if you operate in a double standard.

I know, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the anti porn mentality of that sub. I never understood, so I just mentioned to you since you're a user in there. You're right about all you said, that other lady is not right in her mind

Oh ok, thanks sorry. Yeah it’s very strange to actively participate and defend objectifying images of women, while simultaneously criticizing someone that purposefully seeks out images that are anti-objectification. Not sure why this lady felt she’s an authority to police that, her “argument” fell apart immediately, but I don’t really think she understands or tried to. It’s incredibly hypocritical. But I’m fairly new in my active participation in this sub. She claimed it was a rule, is it?

Welp, any kind of porn is the end of the world on that sub, so don't even try to change anyone's mind. You'll be better off this way. Don't know what else you ladies talk about it in there, but you'll only receive smug replies about this topic.

They have really interesting conversations about systemic misogyny especially for more vulnerable populations in developing countries, but you can’t police people’s media viewing, there is literally no way anyone watching narrative mainstream media isn’t watching the objectification of the female body, but you are right about the smug replies, no one wanted to admit the double standard lol.

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"Objectification" does not exist.

You sound like images of a representation of your sex being raped, murdered and cut to pieces for entertainment isn’t something you have to navigate. Well done, but yeah it does lol.

You sound like images of a representation of your sex being sent to war, murdered and blown to bits by bombs for entertainment isn't something you have to navigate. Well done, but yeah it does not lol.

Wars they create. So are you claiming men, the creators of mainstream media, the makers of war movies are objectifying themselves? While trying to simultaneously negate objectification exists? You spelled glorifying wrong haha. You need to pick one bro, you can’t both negate and argue the same talking point lol. Incel alert.

Wars they create

Yeah, yeah, the grunts in the trenches sure created those wars.

See, that's the stupidity of grouping people together.

Aren’t they getting paid to shoot at other men? You pay each other to fight for your possessiveness under a Myriad of what you’ve decided are “honorable” causes lol. Men create wars, men invented guns, bombs, most weapons, they even weaponize their own dicks during war. When women invent those things or practice mass murder you can pretend that is a generalization and not a fact. How about how men glorify themselves and then try to play martyr. So funny you are trying this lol.

Are we talking about the conscripts who fought in WW1 here, or the Hollywood stars who are paid millions to impersonate them?

Both I think, ask him, if you follow the original comment, he started with objectification doesn’t exist, then moved into actual war. He ran out of incel talking points immediately and just contradicted himself. He’s probably a teen.

Collective blame is the logic of fascists and bullies

Are fascist attacking you? Ruh roh

Wars they create.

So my friendly Muslim neighbor Ahmed doesn't get to complain about stereotypical representations in the media depicting muslims as barbaric terrorists, because Muslims created those terrorist organizations. Amirite?

Arabs invented large scale wars so there’s that, though it was mostly about material goods, trade rights and territories within their regions, not to wipe out millions necessarily. Euros invented colonizing others land while wiping out the people completely. Either way his talking point was a false equivalency, but whatever.

Every land has terrorists now so anyone can complain or not complain. They will complain tho.

It's so hard to keep track of who invented what so I can be mad at someone for belonging to a particular demographic, though. I think I'll just keep judging individuals on a case-by-case basis like the complete doofus I am.

If it’s working why not.

dang you reasonable gal

Haha I’m just here for a conversation, the rest of these fools are invested in defending their porn viewing habits. It’s funny.

I still think pr0n isn't inherently wrong as long as sex workers are treated well. Especially those couples who have a fancy website to upload their amateur pr0n videos on. Pretty hot and wholesome, no?

I kind of agree, not completely tho. I was bringing up specific types of viewing that is designed away from objectifying images. You can’t really tell adults what to do with their time or bodies, just don’t engage. I defiantly feel there are ways toward healthy looking and your example is one for sure. It’s weird the drama bros are so threatened tho, that part is baffling really. Who cares if women are having a conversation. That’s all this site is. To troll GC in such a petty way demonstrates a real lack of maturity. Then again those women were super immature in the unwillingness to address my very complex but simple to understand point. The prevarications were funny.

Why men are so threatened when women talk is really baffling tbh. But for the most part I agree with you.

I have pretty vanilla tastes in pr0n tho, so I sometimes feel like an outcast here. tbf, Muricans are fucked up with their ideas about sex. both the horndogs and the puritans

GC gets trolled a lot because they get worked up a lot about trannies and horny men, and South Park neutrals tend to find that funny. Some GC posters come here and demonstrate a sense of humor tho, some of them even stay here and become one with the Borg. It's fun, just shooting the shit

Yeah, me too. I don’t really like porn, I will watch the healthy stuff, but not really the whole idea creeps me out tbh. But I’m certainly not going to be lectured and policed, especially by women I know are not saints with their viewing. They really proved it tho, they refused to address my actual point just kept deflecting or calling me defensive and hostile lol. How is that not misogynist?

So they are trolled a lot? That’s interesting I guess, I really just wanted to be in a space where I could talk about being a Lesbian without having to hear about all of the “Queer” str8 sex people are constantly sharing about. Plus I really liked the posts about rights movements for women in developing countries. That sub is really the best place to find those articles and convos. It’s too bad feminism is being pushed as a monolith by a subset of feminism that is anti-monolith lol. I’m glad to hear some stay, I’m defiantly staying, I didn’t know anything about this sub until I was trolled. I was thoroughly entertained tonight tho!

I’m defiantly staying, I didn’t know anything about this sub until I was trolled. I was thoroughly entertained tonight tho!

Well there's all kinds of retards here on /r/Drama but they all roast each other so it ends up evening out a little. if you're talking to a racist post mayocide, if you're talking to a redpiller mock him from his micropenis, if you're talking to a tranny hater post bussy, and so on and so on.

basically it's full of rejects from leftwing and rightwing safe space subreddits who got ostracized for going against the hivemind. some of them because they made some good points but most of them because they're retarded, i guess.

basically it's full of rejects from leftwing and rightwing safe space subreddits who got ostracized for going against the hivemind. some of them because they made some good but controversial points but most of them because they're retarded, i guess.

Then I passed my initiation lol. I hope I’m in the former group and not the latter. I paid enough for my education lol. What’s bussy? I haven’t heard that term

bussy = boy pussy. its female counter part being gussy.

People here tend to prefer bussy over gussy. I'd say some of it's ironic but who can even tell ironic from unironic statements in 2018 anymore?

I hope I’m in the former group and not the latter.

to paraphrase Socrates: the only thing I know, is that I'm a tard.

Haha ew. Ok. People really try to bait the GC women with “bussy” oh Lordt. Haha the funniest thing I’ve seen in all of this is that the dudebros from r/drama are trying to claim the GC women are a bit “much” lol. At least they have a point even if in the extreme. These fools are just trolling lolcows it’s hilarious. I did not think the str8’s could get more hypocritical than what I’ve witnessed today. How can I not spend my days mocking them from now on? It would almost be a crime not too srsly.

This is exactly the kind of feisty sassy attitude that we encourage here. Good job /u/Wehochick my young padawan.

Haha sassy? Where are you dudes getting these words, do you have an arcane dictionary somewhere lol. Some other dude used “career women” haha y’all can’t claim GC is pearl clutching old ladies and literally use your old timey hipster dictionary. But ok. Hahaha

Thanks for teaching me tho daddy-o (how’d I do?).

(how’d I do?)

Not my place to judge. As long as you're having fun, that's what matters.

I’m having a blast!! I had no idea there were such open hypocrites, they are all defending it too. Claiming I haven’t addressed this or that, my argument is they are all hypocrites. Haha!!

> I ’m having a blast!

Good to hear.

Haha ew me female whore me only say ew gross and body shame men. Totally not mentally ill haha.

Female as the pejorative, calling women mentally ill that have opinions online, no it’s not 1990 up in here lol!

Wow. Honestly. Kill. Yourself. Where is Jack the ripper when you need him.

He’s dead you dum dum.

Triggered lol.

Cant you dislike both though?

"Objectification" does not exist.

i mean, I get it you wanna stick it (heh heh) to the icky girl, but this doesn't make any fucking sense, you sperg.

It's a made up word, a concept that makes no fucking sense whatsofuckingever.

all words are made up and the concept makes perfect sense

treating a person like an object

The word itself is a little strange, though.

People generally aren't sexually attracted to (inanimate) objects unless they have a paraphilia of some kind. People are sexually attracted to attractive human beings.

3d women over 2d women

I dont even fucking recognize /r/drama anymore, honestly

2D waifus are just idealized representations of 3D brah, deal with it.

i wonder why the ideal is so hard to find in 3D

QED

Waifuism is still degeneracy brah.

Also, 2D waifus are objects. You can't objectify objects.

The word itself is a little strange, though

shitload of other words are strange. take "homophobia" for example which is literally not a phobia, people aren't overcome with crippling fear when they see two dudes eat face, instead its rage because they're morons.
We are the ones who give words meaning, not the other way around.
And if you can't comprehend the meaning of words then what the fuck is wrong with you

Yeah but I'm not only critiquing the literal meaning of the word, but the underlying concept and the way it is used, brah. (Like /u/mcslibbin said: treating a person like an object).

There's valid applications of "objectification". For example, some douche fratbro going "she's a nice walking collection of holes", that's dehumanizing and degrading.

But 'Murican progressives on this website (and a couple o' conservatives who have adopted the hip lingo) seem keen on applying the concept to anything remotely sexy in a way that is absolutely retarded.

Yeah a lingerie model gets paid for the service of lookin' good and taking care of her body. But who looks at a lingerie model, and thinks they're more akin to a garden gnome or a decorative shrub than the cashier at your local Walgreens' or that annoying Youtuber that your niece is obsessed with? I'm sure you don't hear out your doctor's life story and meet his mother before you let him examine you but that doesn't make you think of your doctor as some inanimate prescription dispenser now does it?

I dunno man, just my opinion.

I think in the word "homophobia," it's used like the way they use it in chemistry, IE "aversion to," not "fear of."

So are you saying words have no meaning or don’t actually representing anything. Cause you realize you are typing words right? Lol.

....

yes

All words are made up.

I don't really have to explain semiotics to you, do I?

You don’t understand semiotics if you simultaneously claim all words are made up to further an argument using words lol. Words are assigned meaning, the literal point of semiotics. You are an idiot lol

Words are assigned meaning, the literal point of semiotics

No way! You mean...people just assign meanings to signs...

how do they do that? Randomly? By making them up?

Holy shit, it's exactly what I said from the beginning.

You said words are made up to claim a word had no meaning because you don’t like that people assign a meaning to that word, in case that word might prevent you from touching your peepee to porn, all drama bros need to chill no one is taking your porn away!

holy fucking shit, I'm the person who said objectification HAS a meaning. You mean the other person, you stupid fucking bitch.

god damn dude

Where did you say that and why did you say that? Weird. But ok. Obviously I’m not a stupid bitch but you are an insolent fool troll. So there’s that.

Look, I've been where you are, back against the walls, inbox filling up with comments, trolls at your heels. I have a feeling I'm a bit quicker than you, but the important thing to remember is that you can slow down and control the pace of your own replies.

You just wasted a bunch of ammo on me, a random person who was making fun of someone you were disagreeing with

Slow down, breathe, take it slow, and think. Also, remember that funny is better than smart.

How about stop inserting yourself, your comments aren’t necessary, instead of telling someone to breathe, go back to your video games.

inserting yourself

that's kinda where this all started, funnily enough

I agree so much, I simply asked if this creepy viagra dude was being inappropriate. Most of the women in GC took that seriously tho and gave thoughtful answers that gave me clarity. Too bad it didn’t stay on topic, but then I wouldn’t have gotten to see all of this real drama from both sides lol.

Don't talk to people on gender critical if you are looking for decent discourse

Don't talk to people in /r/drama if you are going to post seriously

Don't go to reddit if you aren't a straight white dude what are you doing lady

I like Gender Critical, they post about rights for vulnerable women, but you were proven right tonight, they were really triggered when I suggested their viewing habits supported a patriarchal structure.

These drama bros are entertaining as hell. None of them had any type of real argument, it was a literal troll fest, funny tho they think their mocking feminism was productive. I get why they are all so frustrated and feel threatened, they can’t go up against the GC women at all and most of them are not that clever really, the woman that tried to challenge me literally used sexist terms like I was crazy and hysterical lol. These bros troll them like it’s 7th grade and they are pulling on their ponytails or snapping bras. I didn’t know they hadn’t matured beyond that really tbh.

I make str8 white dudes cry all the time because of their mediocrity, but you are right ultimately.

This list could have saved me tons of time, but then I was so entertained by the str8 whites tonight battling it out yet remaining completely hypocritical lol.

Both sides, both sides 👌

But this is talking about a picture of a person. Which is literally an object and not a person.

that is technically true. it's a representation of a person.

...hmmmm

It's a inanimate thing. At most you could say it's an idea. But the idea of a person, or their picture, is not them, and actions towards the picture of a person are not the same as actions directly involving that person.

by the same token, you could argue that by abstracting a person to their representation is exactly the definition of objectifying them

But it doesn't affect that person at all. You're literally arguing that thoughts in someone's head hurt other people. That's retarded.

but it hurts yoooou maaaaan

help. please. I'm oppressed. help.

u played urself

gottem

wait

Like this she creature constantly does to men?

?

you masturbate to straight women being payed to dyke out, that is very problematic and you're a literal predator.

Being forced into the wrong sexuality by capitalism. Goddamn when will the nightmare end

Every man's dream has always been to walk into a room full of people and two straight naked chicks and loudly demand "Ass to Ass!"

I have to admit, that is on my bucket list.

What? We get to police others all the time. It may well be that the pornography you're consuming produces victims, and that damn well needs to be policed.

It’s sad really, neither GC or the Drama bros are addressing their hypocrisy here, none of you care about rape victims but use them as a talking point. Neither are willing to address nor give up their entitlement to mass produced media consumption of objectified images. Reddit needs to be renamed str8 drama lol. Just stomp around demanding porn or rom coms it’s hilarious haha.

I don't really watch much porn and I definitely don't watch rom coms. But your dismissal of the fact that lots of people have been victimized by the porn industry because you make YouTube videos or whatever is bullshit. You can't support feminism only when it doesn't' interfere with flicking your bean.

I said the opposite if you paid attention, but it doesn’t matter, you just needed a beavis level excuse to talk about women’s “bean” you sound charming, and not pornsick at all lol.

Please, when I pop a viagra it's because of my severe substance abuse problem not because of pornsickness.

And you said you watch porn than chastised others for watching rom coms. I'm pointing out that your dismissal of the problems in the porn industry by attempting some lame rom com whataboutism is bullshit.

But it seems like you're a person that more interested in grabbing attention and appearing transgressive than actual feminism. That's why you're so attached to saying shit like "str8" and deluding yourself into thinking being a broad who watches porn in 2018 is somehow edgy enough to be worth mentioning.

You seriously can just take the time to read? It’s not that difficult. I addressed in depth the bs you are trying to argue, Stop vomiting words out it’s hilarious tho.

No, you attempted to dodge it with whataboutism. Which is fine, you don't seem like a substantial enough person to fully flesh out the ideas you parrot for attention.

Man, just read it shit!

Obviously, I already did. It's not going to become a stronger argument on the second reading.

What could make it a stronger argument would be you doing some research. But that'd take valuable time away from attention seeking.

Lordt you aren’t even trying at this point, just word salad somewhere else. It’s pathetic you won’t take the time to address my actual point. Good luck, maybe the people in your f2f have to deal with your mediocrity I seriously got bored right away. Good luck!

You haven't made any argument that I didn't address in my first post. And you've been completely inconsistent through the rest of this chain. For instance, you said "no one is going to take your porn away" to me when I'm the one arguing that the porn industry is problematic.

It's very clear that you can't actually back up your thoughts. You're just one of those people that thinks being loud and faux-edgy will make you seem strong or intelligent. It doesn't. Everyone sees through you.

Oh it got removed. Well you had a chance to read it and you were too lazy, your window closed. You could have made an effort at least. Oh well.

"I totally wrote something smart somewhere aside from all the stuff everyone has already read spread over two subs!"

Sure you did sweety

I’m really bored with your lack of effort.

So you're talking about your original post where you equivocated porn and rom comes right? Yeah, that wasn't a good argument.

And honey, you weren't even clear on what you were arguing with me about until I corrected you two posts ago. Why not just take a step back? Not everyone needs to be an intellectual and opinionated. Maybe you should try being more of a wallflower and leave discussion to people with a bit more depth, like the other gals over at /r/gendercritical

Oh hey finally you are reflecting you have a modicum of understanding yeah for you! However no. I equivocated objectified viewing positions and the hypocrisy that you consume one while attempting to vilify another to a person that engages with neither.

I argued that instead of being anti-objectifying images the sub should be anti-objectifying viewing positions and that it is hypocritical to police others when you support the patriarchy in the same way with your media consumption habits.

However the women in that sub didn’t address that point, they just kept claiming muh muh muh no porn, claiming I was defending porn, like you are. Clearly wanting to continue their fantasy porn viewing in the form of Rom Coms.

You still didn’t grasp it at all, but at least you kind of tried so there’s that.

Both subs are hypocritical. The drama bros don’t want women saying porn is paid rape because they want to look at porn.

The gc gals don’t want their viewing habits policed, only want to police others.

Neither are focusing how they both use rape victims as talking points.

Neither want to stop being hypocrites.

Neither will address my actual point lol.

Neither will stop consuming media that is problematic.

I’m sure you won’t understand any of this, but here’s hoping.

But I've been addressing that since the very first post. You're REALLY playing into the baseless stereotypes I used to label you.

Your equivocation of porn and rom coms is the ridiculous whataboutism I've been laughing at since the beginning. To suggest that those women can't criticize the porn industry which is chock full of problematic practices and real abuses because they consume another form of media which has some arguable problematic elements is hilarious.

/r/Gendercritical isn't failing to understand your argument. No one is. Your argument isn't complicated. It's just flawed and juvenile.

You can’t use wokesplaining rhetorical jargon and sound credible. Make an effort seriously. I took the time, now try. Grab yourself a vocabulary to communicate your thoughts or bounce, you really have no grasp of critical thought here. Address what I said or just go away, I’m seriously bored with you.

Everyone has addressed it from the very beginning. It's not a complicated argument. In fact, it's not even an argument.

And word to the wise, getting increasingly hostile in the face of the people telling you that you're wrong isn't helping. Throughout both threads you've demonstrated a total inability to support your "argument" and a complete disinterest in listening to the people explaining to you why it isn't one.

When I first suggested that you were an ignorant and attention-starved person who was trying to cover her insecurity and lack of education by being loud and faux-edgy I was taking a shot in the dark. But I doubt anyone could read through this comment chain without coming away with exactly that impression of you.

Hostile lol. You lost.

How old are you?

107

Show me on the doll where the Owen Wilson touched you

Right next to my bottle rocket, anaconda. Marley and me were crashing this wedding with our father figures around midnight in Paris, we drove our cars for a night at the museum but we didn’t have a hall pass, he said just drill bit Taylor it. I said ah hell nah we got the royal tanenbaums, we stayed until around Shanghai noon, he wanted to you know, you me and Dupree but I said fuck it, I gotta get to my internship anyway, it’s right near the Zoolander behind enemy lines, anyway I gotta go meet the parents. Byeeee

Drugs?

Micropenis?

Why are lesbians so obsessed with insulting men's genitals. Admit your daddy raped your nasty holes.

Yes, Daddy rape and Daddy Rape porn! You found us all out. We weren’t born this way, daddy rape hurt our feelz and made us junk hating holes lol!

"Objectification" is devoid of moral content. Sexually objectifying women CAN be immoral, but it isn't inherently immoral. Case in point:

Men who sexually objectify women at the expense of their dignity and/or comfort and/or safety are committing moral transgressions.

Men who sexually objectify women (i.e. privilege and fixate on their sexual attributes) do not necessarily do so at the expense of their dignity/comfort. I sexual objectify my girlfriend all the time and she loves it. Why?

Because she's not a disgruntled, smelly, ideologically-driven puritan who has repressed her sexuality beyond repair.

She objectifies me all the time also. I love it.

Jesus, get laid.

Are you seriously trying to be credible? Don’t you have zits to pop in your mom’s basement. Go back to your video games junior, you lost this one.

efukt, ftvgirls, girlsoutwest. You name it.

We embrace the kinkness.

Kinkness? That's the most vanilla list I've ever seen.

For a gender critical poster, this is really something else

How the fuck does ftvgirls find so many women that can fist themselves?

Yoga class

Really? All those girls really do look physically fit, but does that really mean they can do that?

a) why would a hardcore lesbian give a shit about some rado dude's dick?

b) imagibe browsing G, not knowing that it's an antiporn sub.

c) bad news ladies..soon it will be hard for to find a female partner who have not watched porn in her live...much less a man.

A) i asked because so many creepy str8 dudes overshare bullshit like this to me and not just on some thirsty reddit (rape) confessional sub, and I needed perspective from str8 women if it was consensual. Personally I don’t think it is, but most people responding said it was either a fake post or nbd so it was helpful to ask. B) it really isn’t anti-porn, she just decided she was the mommy today and I called out her (and any women that are anti-porn but watch rom-coms, horror or any melodrama) double standards. C)yep

Well then.....idk why my comment got deleted, it wasn't really insulting and I never pinged you...what ever...

A)Anyway as I said - it's really nobodies business if he uses said viagra ( post is probs fake as fuck tho)

It gonna only bite him in the ass.

However if the story is true (lol nah). I higly doubt he need supplements because of porn.

B) if you haven't noticed by now, even not giving a damn about the part of that sub which are troll accounts, GC tends to go into extreme hypocisy at points (like any sub)

C)seriously though women now make more than 1/3 pornhub users, even more in Central America and Europe and this is 3 year old data, who knows by now.

Idk what's happening with my reddit or why my comments get deleted...but whatever, however

a) that story is most likely fake as hell and even if its not, dude gonna have to deal with his issues..most likely not caused by porn.

b) come on, they are and yes if you post there a lot you must have noticed that like any other sub GC posts unrivaled hypocrisy in some topics.

c) by old 2015 data women made up more than 1/3 users of pornhub, even more in Central America and Europe....most likely this number will only grow.

A) this fool fake poster is defiantly porn sick it’s where they get these ideas and normalize them. Either he’s thinks it’s ok to practice this bs and “confess” this, or it’s fake and he thinks it’s funny, both are an obvious porn sick belief system. B)for the most part they are pretty consistent, less hypocritical than most spaces and really advocate for vulnerable women at least in their posts. Yet, you can’t uphold patriarchal structures in your media viewing while simultaneously trying to have a dialog about other problematic uses even if it is something as gross and hypocritical as mainstream porn itself. C) That really doesn’t prove much, your original statement that it will become increasingly difficult to find people that haven’t watched it was more relevant. Normalized porn addictions and how they effect women is what they are attempting to address. Yet, Feminism isn’t a monolith, that assertion proves they don’t necessarily want an abolishment of gender roles, which is kinda funny. Yet If you don’t admit pornified images of women is problematic, especially to me a Lesbian that can’t even google my own sexual orientation you are the bigger hypocrite here. The “sharer” of my post doesn’t give two shits about women, he just wanted an excuse to mock feminists. That’s the real hypocrisy. It’s an incel alert to say the least. Grow, sure, change much, that part is not so definitive.

Wow..And I believed that my post will look like a wall of text...yet yours is majestic by comparison..bye bye

B) it really isn’t anti-porn, she just decided she was the mommy today

/r/GenderCritical is definitely anti-porn. Here's a comment from a mod confirming it, if you don't believe me.

It’s not anti-porn, but ok.

I'm removing this thread because it's gotten very weird. OP, defending porn doesn't fly here and we have rules about civility.

How can this be interpreted as anything but anti-porn?

Here's another thread where they speak up against porn. The subreddit has tons of threads like that, I'm not sure why you have this notion that /r/GenderCritical is against porn.

It’s not anti-porn as a rule, how are you not getting this? It was in the literal discussion.

They are defiantly hypocritical tho, I already established that. You ok?

a

I didn’t defend porn, I challenged them in their own objectified viewing practices and they wouldn’t address it and deflected. It’s toxic feminity in that sub, just like the incel toxicity in r/drama.

Okay, that's nice and all, but how does that show that /r/GenderCritical isn't anti-porn?

They are anti- the type of porn they deem problematic, how are you not getting that this is the point of my original conversation, you really just trolled here?

a

Ask them, I never got a clear answer. I brought up types but one one would address it really, just called me sexist names.

you cannot BUY consent and therefore, porn, like prostitution, is payed rape.

Yes you literally can. Consent is just permission to do something. You can argue enthusiastic consent is important which is a perspective I don't really disagree with, but you are not being raped when you give them permission. Like holy fuck man I gotta wonder how a victim of rape actually feels about retarded statements like this.

u/Wehochick you seem less crazy than some of those posters, why are you going to that sub?

Wow this got interesting. You reposted my post, you just troll them? You oversimplified the conversation? Isn’t that lolcow behavior? Either way, kinda creepy. But, Uh to answer your question, they call out systemic misogyny and that is an important topic to me. In terms of her point, (or lack there of) you can’t police someone if you are operating in the same dynamic. Narrative films re-create rape scenes, how is that any different than what a person in narrative porn is doing? Game of Thrones is no different than narrative porn in it’s viewing position.

You can’t watch a rom-com which is the equivalent of a romantic fantasy trope, then complain about sexual fantasy images, I see them as equivalencies, or horror which is torture porn. Sex driven porn is gross and a problem I agree with that, but don’t police me if you are watching any narrative media, which clearly she is b/c when I brought it up she prevaricated. Don’t think you really wanted an answer, but I gave one. Also I agree with you about actual rape victims, that the equivalencies are problematic and shouldn’t be used as a talking point.

Either way, kinda creepy.

no u

they call out systemic misogyny and that is an important topic to me.

But that sub is basically the leading argument to end womans suffrage, sounds like self sabotage

No u what? You reposting this is creepy, you didn’t know that? No one is keeping you from watching porn so why are you so concerned about their belief system? What is your investment in this weirdness? Also the mocking is creepy too actually, women having a dialog, however problematic in your mind or fears is just a dialog, but ok.

i feel u sister sister ✊✊✊

Because.

THIS. IS. r/DRAMAAAA!!!!!!!

what is your investment Comedy friend. The idea that someone could agree to being raped sounds like part of some shock comics schtick. The fact it's coming from a feminist makes it better

Better how? Ew.

Mocking feminism really makes you sound credible here. Gross.

Mocking feminism really makes you sound credible here

This but unironically

In a covert ironic way? Still no.

Yes?

Is there a dude version of viagra for a sense of humor? Find it.

Gross ew

Yes, both gross and ew! You’re catching on.

And writing things like "Ew" and "Gross" makes you seem 14, so congrats you both suck.

Triggered lol.

You sure are.

Ew. Gross, no ew

You entertain me endlessly.

I know I feel the same way, imagine being so unaware of your own infantile creepy behavior while trying to characterize others as infantile. The hypocrites abound!

Aw chucks whatever will I do, someone who has never met me thinks I'm creepy, better go kms.

Yeah cause that should defiantly be your criteria for self reflection, someone has to meet you lol.

Yes, it should. Why would I reflect on something someone says who doesn't know me? But hey, paint me a picture of who you think I am and maybe I'll reflect

I made an observation based on your words, I’m fairly certain I’m not the first to say that to you either virtually or f2f but ok.

Actually, you are the first. Never had anyone call me creepy before. So congrats you broke my cherry.

Ew. Still creepy.

Haha, you really crack me up. You're like a broken record player.

Or you are triggered.

Lmao nah. Why would I be? This is tje Internet. Outside of serious Holocaust Denial nothing triggers me.

Yet you keep commenting lol.

Because your answers are prime entertainment while I play Jurassic World Evolution.

gross

creepy

ew

you forgot "problematic"

Oh right *problematic Bingo

Holy projection batman. Try not to slip and suck up a huge knife in that ugly loose smelly cavern you're so proud of.

Haha for hating women y’all talk a lot about vaginas. What’s the deal with that? Never seen one?

Feminism is for dried up skanks and ugly whores to justify to themselves that they aren't complete wastes of good uteri

And u/drama or porn is a denizen of the oversexed lol? Gtfoh with that microdick incel crap blaming women talking for your acne

You're still here the weight of your retardation around I see

Is english your second language? Just curious.

Boy you're stupid, It's my 3rd actually. Do you have an issue with immigrants?

Sure bro, asking why you personally are struggling putting a coherent sentence together in English is for sure equatable to xenophobia. Should I repeat my questions? Lol.

Calling out an immigrant's English is a tactic used by the xenophobic, do you deny this?

Calling out you for your incoherent blather is wildly appropriate lol. You generalizing all immigrants because you are too lazy and too much of a lolcow to learn words is xenophobic.

You're in r/drama, appropiateness wasnt in question and you've been corralled here to graze so please, continue with your hybrid xenophobia/feminism.

I don’t need to your permission to continue you misogynist. But I insist you construct a coherent sentence first. Many immigrants work really hard to learn 2nd, 3rd languages you are just a lazy lolcow.

But here you are, utilizing my permission. If you weren't such a tub of laughs you wouldn't be here still

Be where? Are you threatening me now? Great. This really is an incel nest. Awful.

Not threatening, allowing you to continue grazing

Your really a sicko, this was fun mocking but you just ruined it with your lone shooter responses. You creeps can’t help but be violent, even in jest. Vile.

*You're. Youd think you being a native speaker and all that youd have a former grip on the language.

Yeah, the problem is my typo lol.

No problems here, we like you here

Then make sense cause YOU’RE basic.

There you go, capitalize it so daddy doesn't miss how smart you are

I did, everyone knows how smart I am, you on the other hand are feeble in your attempts, are you ok?

r/iamverysmart we sure do know how smart you are. The comment section would be empty if you weren't such a stable genius

Says the guy that can’t construct a sentence and attempts to implicate all immigrants in his laziness, lolcows forever!!!

I’ll head on over to r/Iamverysmart I’m sure it’s full of angry trolls too lazy to read like you mocking everyone, great you found a “passion” haha.

There you go with that xenophobia again. My English is good enough to get you reeeeeeeing

Come on, at least look up xenophobia if you are going to use it, mocking your idiocy has nothing to do with hard working immigrants. The victimology here, no one is keeping you from jacking to porn bro. In fact at this point instead of your sad attempts at sentences in English jacking it may be a better use of your time.

You're the one who brought up my immigrant status and used the fact that English is my 3rd language to try and ridicule me. Seems obvious you're a xenophobe...it doesnt surprise me though, you post on a sub that hates trannies

I brought up your bad grammar and incoherent sentences, you tried to blame all immigrants lol. Get a life fool.

You asked me if English was my 2nd language then tried to ridicule me for it. It's ok that you're a xenophobe, you're in r/drama, we dont care what you are as long as you REEEEEEE

Yes, is English your second language because your command of it is abysmal. What is confusing, you attempted the xenophobic deflection by triangulating other immigrants. NO YOU, YOU are an idiot, don’t try to blame immigrants you bigot.

It's not a deflection, you've been saying xenophobic ahit over and over again. I bet you're the type of fatty to use the n word casually

Whoa you are a literal nazi? Holy hell I thought your xenophobia was bad but you use slurs openly toward people? Fuck outa here racist. Also, lol. You think calling women fat is still an insult, where are you in 1990? Holy hell get your anti-blackness the fuck out of my comments section

Yes, I'm a literal nazi. I wasn't trying to insult you because of your weight, you're obviously a confused, fat, racist feminist

you're at if for eleven hours

go eat a salad, pet a cat or something, this amount of involvement in a shitty discussion is unhealthy

although considering you defend being fat, I don't thing something being unhealthy is a problem for you

Haha okay daddy lol. Loser.

Imagine arguing with some nerd for eleven hours straight and then calling someone a loser

Lmao

No one who is actually intelligent goes to film school, tho.

And are you seriously over the hill and selling your body on sugar daddy forums? Impressive!

Who do you think makes all the porn you watch? Failed film school graduates lol.

Do you miss your daddy? Awe. Sad face.

So that's a yes? You really can't call yourself a sugar baby if you're over 45 tho. Does a disservice to everyone really.

I didn’t call myself sugar, you did sugar tits. Are you mad no one will pay you for sex? It’s ok, gather up that dusty junk and sell it bro! I have faith in you!!

Are you trying to insinuate you know my actual identity? Dox me. I have an uncle at the feds. He loves incels.

I don't give a shit about doxing you lol. Who gives a shit an over-the-hill, blue-light-special prostitute who spends her time screeching about trans people and has yet to actually complete school?

I know, you clearly don’t care trolling me that’s clear lol. Awe you hate prostitutes? How can you be mad at the only people that will have sex with you.

Love the “clues” this is excellent.

60 year old man str8 white man working in IT, or is that your Dad’s internet?

You are projecting all over this thread and it's fucking adorable. You're clearly uncomfortable with your age as you keep using that as your main "insult" and you're really hung up on daddy porn for some weird reason that I'm sure a therapist can drill down for you. Anyways, you're more pathetic than I had thought at first - at least if you were a teenager your tumblr and reddit profiles would make more sense, but you're just an old lady, desperately afraid of aging and the waning years of her earning potential.

Time to forget about you now! Keep shrieking into the void.

What lol? What happened to you don’t care. Haha that’s quite the treatise. Post your manifesto I’m sure others would love to hear what you have to say about 40year old women, i’m riveted.

40 year old whore. Guess your dad really did kill himself.

IKR. 40 year old women whores, whadya gonna do? Not fuck any lol.

A hahahhahaha ha and she's a whore. Of course the feminist man hater is a whore. I'm gonna enjoy assfucking a whores loose holed next month I think.

On the internet? Yeah we’ve established you all hate sluts, have porn addictions and have never seen vaginas. Oh and the fatties make you cry. Next!

Hahahhahaha says the man hater.

Ikr you are so profound! And your observational skills impeccable!

Oh there came the man hatred. Does daddy know how you talk about men on the interwebs.

Who do you think taught me about man-hating? Yeah for Daddy’s!

you seem mentally ill.

A lot of gendercrit posters have this strange writing style. Very stream of consciousness, very conversational, and often hard to follow. PoJM has this style too.

i sometimes make ramble posts of adhd, but like, i can't even understand most of what this chicks points are.

i believe the technical term for this is "retardation"

This is how abusive relationships start. If you dont catch up soon you'll end up living in a box under u/Feanorfanclub's bed

If I don’t do what? Ew, why are all the responses so creepy. What is this sub? Ew.

If I don't do what?

Catch up, it's not just for French fries

Catch up how? Make a point first, you are boring.

You're a smart girl, you'll figure it out

No thanks. Ew

Hi, so I don't quite follow your original question. Why does Viagra bother you?

The consensus was it’s a fake post, most str8 women responding felt it wasn’t necessarily non-consensual just sad/pathetic will eventually catch up to the dude if it’s true. Obviously you didn’t read any of the post, try not to be so lazy moving forward.

What? I asked YOU why you asked the question. Why do you think it isn't consent? I was looking at the post and you spent most of it saying thanks for answer to everyone as replies.

Keep reading, it’s fundamental.

we used to post copy pasta from the handmaid's tale here....

i mean, this was well before the show came out. just straight up 80s style atwood feminism

...i mean, obviously, it was one of the rapey parts, but still, we got some literary credentials.

Well that sounds like a very productive use of your time, did you convince the world feminism is evil lol

Why would posting a great work of feminist literature be used that way? :/

just to clarify, you're saying quoting someone is "creepy"?

Maybe, what did you quote, I got lost in all of these tags.

No u what?

no U

You know, gaslighting is creepier than... whatever the hell you're pretending to think this is.

I mean fuck man, if you're going to try manipulation tactics, at least show your tits first.

Teen basement bros showed up! Haha show your tits lol. You fools aren’t even trying! Go watch porn, there’s a dude with a list of the “free” sites creep.

The fact that you're trying to use your gussy as a way to fit in with "teh internetz" like it's some sort of prize is your first mistake.

The fact that I have to explain to you what tits or gtfo means is your second.

No one gives a shit about your gussy here m8, it has no power.

What lol.

You are, what many people call an attentionwhore m8.

The proto lolcow, so to speak.

I know any women that get unsolicited attention are called attentionwhores, it’s an intellectual designation I think lol.

Yeah sure, wear the badge with pride.

Just make sure you show your tits first, that's all you're good for apparently.

Showing my tits gives me value? Good to know I guess. Will you ask your mom if she will show me hers? I have a mom fetish.

You really didn't read the link did you?

When I imply you're retarded, the normal thing to do is prove I'm wrong, not prove me right.

I know you're shitty at this, but at least try not to be.

Or double down, like you usually do with Mickey D's.

No I’m not reading the link lol. I don’t eat junkfood creep wtf? That’s the only restaurant you know. Why are there so many trash men on here ew.

DO NOT DOWNVOTE THE LOLCOW.

Go ahead /u/wehochick, this is a safe space for you.

Haha the lolcow is the fool that reposted here. Are women keeping you from jacking it by talking? Haha

Such a sad little man.

It’s ok bby, I have plenty of jackoff material in /r/gonewild, /r/onmww, and the classic /r/asiansgonewild.

Share your thoughts on consent and pics/gifs of nubile women who, unlike you, don’t resemble Thomas the Tank Engine?

Yeah, go search for your microdick and head on over to that weird list you made, (lordt where you put your energies). Women talking aren’t keeping you from your two fingered stroke. Thomas the tank engine porn tho? What do you do? Shove it up your ass? No wonder you hide on r/drama that shit is creep level defcon 1

No no you misunderstand :)

You look like Thomas the Tank Engine. Based on the fact that you’re clearly unhappy, next to illiterate, and huff eagerly at the sight of the family bag of Doritos, found at your local Wal-Mart.

Trust me, I wouldn’t consider touching you with a ten foot dick.

But my question was about consent and female nudity. Is it sexual assault or rape when a male jacks off to a woman’s pictures? Can she even consent?

Seriously I look like Thomas a tank engine? That’s your attempt at an insult? Dude that shit is Just weak for real lol. Oh women are fat muh muh muh. Seriously? Does that even work anymore? It’s the 1990’s in r/drama lol. Ok, women are fat and ugly and mean and oh god it’s so infantile I can’t even lol. Men are dumb and lazy and creepy and have tiny penises. Ugh. Are you in 7th grade right now? You might be actually. Anyway how about let your insult game graduate to 8th cause that was lame.

You gonna focus on the shiny object and answer the question on consent, lardbucket?

What’s the question loser?

You're clearly so mentally ill. Projection all over the thread and you started the sexism. Rofl, typical she creature.

Right lol. Femoids on the internet, whatya gonna do tho? They let us have keyboards. Write your senator, maybe you can reverse that.

Does your male relatives know how you speak of men? Why are you so obsessed with men's genitals? Did daddy rape your ugly loose holes when you were a kid? You can tell me, Mrs small saggy tits.

Every man I know is manhating what are you not getting about this? You guessed it! So insightful. Tho they still get laid so don’t worry. I know you are consumed with men getting laid to sexbots with latex body parts.

I’m obsessed with manjunk, you guessed it. I’m found out! Especially the microdicks of reddit incels. I can’t stop thinking about them, it’s a problem, what should I do? Help me obi-wan-can’tfuckboi you are my only hope!

You havne’t said anything about smelly vaginas yet, you gonna add that to your list of 90’s insults? But seriously how do you feel about saggy tits, everyone needs you to post more about it.

You're so triggered yet so sad. Can't even insult you because you're the biggest loser possible for females. There's literally nothing lower for females. Except maybe being a old man hating ugly lesbo lol. Enjoy dying alone and full of regrets.

Oh ugly. That one hasn’t been said yet by the lolcows hahaha. Good one! You got me. I’m permanently damaged. And “females” as the pejorative hahaha this shit is for real on here. You dudes really take yourselves this seriously. How does GC not troll you? Hahaha

You need to learn to edit your thoughts before you spew it into other peoples faces. This whole diatribe could be two paragraphs and 4 sentences shorter.

No way! Try to police me while acting obtuse in a double standard lol. Get what you give.

It was thoughtful and excellent and addressing specifics. I’d encourage you to expand your thoughts, or stop trolling.

Brevity is the soul of wit you twat

Brevity is the soul of lingerie you ghoul.

Ghoul is an underrated insult, great choice.

I'd encourage you to expand your thoughts, or stop trolling.

But then if everything is problematic to some degree then we cant exactly burn down everything no ? we can merely decide what is problematic and what is too problematic to be left alone, How do you decide that ?

I want to know this too actually and thanks for asking.

The GC women don’t want to see women exploited in porn

The drama bros don’t want GC women to convince women not to be paid to be in porn

Neither want to stop looking at objectifying media, they really just want to police me, someone that doesn’t look at objectifying images for pleasure, but as an academic. Who is pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in both.

I feel the best way to address this is to acknowledge all types of viewing is problematic really and leave it at that, yet both these subs feel really threatened at a mere conversation.

The only thing truly problematic is both subs grave unwillingness to discuss it.

So in essence, Lot of things are shitty to some degree, but as long as you dont hurt anybody else its okay but Corrupt Priest shouldnt preach about honesty type of situation ? If i got you right you dont want to take it away you just want to be able to discuss this without seeming like some sort of Soccer mom.

I don’t care how I seem lol. What’s wrong with Soccer moms? Don’t be sexist or ageist it negates your credibility.

What I really want is for someone to actually address my point, no one will. The “I argued that semiotics is real” responder came close, but their post got mixed up with someone else’s because well it was irrelevant really.

My point is you can’t police others if you have problematic practices, but who fucking cares it’s just a conversation.

Let’s have a discourse about all of it. No one wants to because they feel threatened someone is going to keep them from their sex porn or romance porn. It’s a problem, neither side is credible at this point.

I used soccer mom As type of archeotype as in concerned and acting about harmless thing. And if i get you you are pissed because Drunken policeman is trying to enforce prohibition so to speak. Makes sense.

So true lol. I love that metaphor, but yeah I don’t care how I come across really. My points were valid and that’s all that matters, reducing things to ad hominem or clinging to rigid beliefs without the capacity or willingness to acknowledge nuances within your own behaviors isn’t credible.

They deleted all my points from the original post, their excuses were I defended porn lol.

I actually pointed out in a complex manner that they were being duplicitous. I didn’t defend porn, I advocated for anti-objectification viewing, but I brought up types of media they haven’t decided is problematic because they don’t want to give up looking at it.

They reminded me of the types of women that want to be seen as independent but are married to men that pay all the bills (now who’s bringing up the antiquated archetypes?)

You can’t engage with romance fantasy porn and vilify men for looking at sex fantasy porn, then when someone says why not stop looking at all objectified images and look at this or think about this, and decide it’s automatically wrong without addressing your own consumption.

Whatever tho, if you can’t have a dialog you can’t be an authority, it’s just unearned self righteousness and blaming.

I hope some of the women got to read what I wrote and thought about it tho, if they are truly invested in feminism they will.

No disagreements here. Have a nice :)

GC is a bit much though, I was almost banned for saying sex/kinks/fetishes etc are not self harm or internalized misogyny. They are on the extreme side of the 'feminism' spectrum.

Maybe.

The drama bros don’t want GC women to convince women not to be paid to be in porn

You have it mixed up here. I think women have every right to do what they want, be it becoming a career woman, a house wife, or a porn star or whatever else. A classic example is that one woman who decided to do some facial abuse porn even though she had a full ride to Harvard, there was no reason to do so other than she wanted to do so.

I mock GC because

1. They have this retarded idea of consent, as exemplified by the original post. You cannot be "payed to be raped".
2. Constantly clutch their pearls with anything relating to men or sex

I don't give a shit if they convince women not to do porn. There will always be a number of women interested in it, because the world is a really big place. I've stated before that I also think the topic of women producing their own porn is also a notable topic, but it's not like that topic would ever go anywhere over there.

Oh do we have permission to become “career women” lol no that doesn’t make you sound like a dumb incel that can’t get any at all. Omg what a fool! Hahaha. So far from pornsick amarite? Haha

What’s wrong with pearl clutching? Do you get your feefees hurt when women call out your creepiness? Cause lol. You can’t be for real with this!!!

Permission? No, I just think women have the right to do what they want. It's a free world, that includes the right to make bad decisions on your own part. If that makes me an incel, well so be it.

Dude, just bounce it’s not 1950. Lol I’m still laughing about the “career woman” comment, you seriously had to go through a few different steps to type and send that. Hahaha.

For god's sake you seemed an intelligent , reasonable woman for a while here and now you had to ruin yourself. Nobody talked anything about permissions. Why do you focus on something not even in the discussion and refuse to even address the points made?

BTW, you and your kin have literally everything men do classified, catalogued, organized and specified as creepy, anyways. A man is walking down the street? What a creep. A man is eating pizza in park? The worst creep ever. So you can't hurt feefees anymore.

He literally tried to give me permission lol. Are you ok?

Where is he talking about permission? Surely I must be crazy -Of course I am, I'm a man, after all- because all I see he said is that he thinks women can do whatever they want to do. I don't see him saying women need to ask permission for shit.

You are, correct your steering lol.

I wasn't, that's the weird part? I was saying women can do what they want, that it's a free country. My point was people have the right to be an idiot, like that girl who decided to do facial abuse porn rather than go to Harvard. She's reaching so hard it can't be salvaged lmao

Honestly, at this point, from harpies like her, what do you expect? I don't blame you for trying to engage with her in an objective an reasonable manner, you did well. I hope you take this as a lesson that some people just can't be reasoned with and treat them consequently. Preferably by avoiding them altogether and starving them of attention. Also please do not let this caricature of a human being shape your ideas and convictions. The vast majority of women are fine. Don't let a small group of harpies turn you.

Sorry for the seriouspost, guys.

Also please do not let this caricature of a human being shape your ideas and convictions.

Oh for sure. The thing is, they usually make their own hell. The car saga from that crazy bitch on SRS is a perfect example.

Are you ok?

the hilarity of a TERF pretending to be mentally stable 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Awe are you a microdick shrieking turf at women for clicks? Did feminism hurt you. Point on the doll (I stole this line from a dudebro in r/drama). Where feminism or Lesbians hurt you. Awe.

Making fun of TERFs is great because no one really accepts you wackos and you are appropriately shunned, even here.

Dance more, chunky! Post about how triggered I am next.

Again with the fatty comments. This sub is hilarious. I feel like I stepped into a 1990’s time portal.

Fatties and turfs hurt my jacking time muh muh muh lolz forever with this haha!

Stay pressed sweaty.

Stay trolling fatty!

Body shaming. Classy

When you body shame body shaming men it’ doesn’t count. I dont’ make the rules.

He literally tried to give me permission

Reread my comments you dweeblord, you have what I was trying to say inverted nearly perfectly.

Who said permission? I said encouraged wtf? Use your words lol.

The man literally stated he agrees with the most basic mantra of feminism and you called him an incel.

Okay.

Great.

, you seriously had to go through a few different steps to type and send that.

What does this even mean?

Hahahaha such a fucking hypocrite. Whores are truly the worst of females.

I know, women that fuck are the absolute worst you should complain more on the internet about it.

> someone that doesn’t look at objectifying images for pleasure, but as an academic.

i watch transexual prolapse pron for academic purposes.

Oh really? Explicate it critically for me here:

So. You're just a dirty dyke? I hope someone slashes your tires

Sheesh you didn’t even try? What no one is puking in your mouth and fisting you at the same time like the porn you watch so you are mad at Lesbians? Lol. These r/drama responses are 7th grade

Why are so many lesbo obsessed with insulting men, men's bodies and being sexist? Maybe you ought to try fisticuffs with a man, might better your face.

I know, you might as well round us and and put us in your deathcamps, using words on the internet to mock idiot men, it’s the worst amarite? And of course we are all ugly how could we do such a thing to you, insult you with our ugly faces and all. You sound like a real treasure! Don’t let this one slip away ladies, he’s a keeper.

I'm so glad I'm gay, you fucking gashes are fucking awful human beings who serve no purpose but to bring men down emotionally.

fuck the lot of you.

The funniest shit about this cow is that she obviously watches violent lesbo porn because she keeps referring to fisting...this cow has some deep seeded selfhatred probably rooted in the fact that shes not a lesbian by choice....shes basically a femcel who turned gay

Femincel

you think puking and fisting are mainstream? i sense projection.

Ew porn addictions are disgusting.

maybe you should get yours treated then.

I spell str8 like that because I don’t give a fuck about that word.

wow so edgy and cool, you're totally changing the world sister!

oh wait no you're just an overweight NEET who posts to vaping forums lmaoooooo

Still with the weight mocking for real the dudebros in r/drama are 1990 that is hilarious. How are you guys relevant, oh wait you aren’t hahaha. People are fat and it hurts your jacking time lol. Hahahahaha 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

r/drama dudebros = I hate fatties!! haha it’s a literal lolcow nest haha.

I am a dudebro! You got me. At least I'm not so retarded I can't figure out how to use a fucking vapepen without posting to Imgur, Reddit and Vaping Underground lmaooooooo.

Fatties and vaping I’m so irrelevant I yell on the internet about fatties!! Hahaha

You're so fun to rag on but unfortunately I'm done shitting now and have hours to bill. Keep bumping your head on that glass ceiling booboo.

Wait, not enough “weight experts” have mocked fat people through there screens yet, don’t go boo you have more 1990’s insults to dig up.

Wow the fattie whore is getting triggered. How about killing yourself knife first in your nasty cunt.

Haha cunt as an insult, yeah you’ve seen a lot of those in your life lol.

and why the fuck do you keep spelling straight as str8

It's what chicks with fat hairy hands do.

Do they not know what a fucking bribe is?

I didn't consent to reading this comment, therefore you raped me.

let's not forget that purchasing consent is the entire point of contracts

Genuinely confused by this "can't buy consent" thing /u/peaked2late

Wouldn't that mean I'm a slave at my job?

There's a reason even retards came up with the title of cultural Marxism.

But was it a good rape,?

Yes! Was it good pedophilia? Hope not.

Well it was lesbian pedophilia so it's usually good by default.

What’s Lesbian pedophilia? I think you just mean regular pedophilia? Are you some sort of expert on Pedophiles? Gross.

What a ignorant opinion! You have clearly never read the legendary tale of "The little coochie snorter that could"! Lesbian pedophilia is stunning and brave,! I suggest you educate yourself posthaste!

SMHTBQHFAMALAM. 😕😦😡😤

“Pedophile expert” do people literally throw up in your face or are you required by law to stay a certain number of yards from any humans? Gross.

Oh god, I'm was trying to get the hook out of your mouth and you're sucking on it like it's your favorite pacifier.

There's no hope for you.

Wait, you are using fishing analogies? Don’t you handfish like a good hillbilly?

You're the reason /s was invented.

Awe thanks. Im sure you mean that as an insult but it’s so specific it’s vague and lame.

Explanation: you fell for some bait.

How? It’s so vague who the fuck cares.

Where were you when literally anything became rape?

raping

Seriously I can’t believe post 1990 any of you think calling women fat is an actual insult. First of all we are typing into screens so the “hand experts” have got to be kidding.

Make an effort dudebros of r/drama seriously no one cares if you think women are fat. No one. It’s not an insult because it’s not 1996 lolcows haha!!

Also, no one cares if you slut shame, no one, all day forever, because it isn’t 2003. Women getting laid is a good thing, isn’t that why you have to jack so much because you can’t get laid? Encourage women to have sex if you want that to end. Celebrate consensual safe sex haha!!

Ok now leave the vault of your 1990- early 2000 level sad man insults and make an effort here. Your comments should be featured on r/drama at this point.

Lol. Fatties and sluts make the incels and dudebros you cry hahaha!

What about posting? I am having so much fun watching these fatty insults fly and the slut shaming lol. I had no idea men were still in 1990 with their insults.

Thanks.

I thought you said I could post? I think it got removed. I’m new here and don’t spend much time on reddit.

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I think the unhinged cow still believes she's on r/gendercritical

I honestly can’t tell the difference at this point, between the fatty crying incels and the anti-porn GC who’s who?

Let's get the facts clear: you are a fat, correct?

This bigoted, feminist cow is becoming unhinged and I looooooooove it

Me too. More of the fatty insults cause that isn’t unhinged at all lol. So inventive! Weeeeee

Thank you r/drama I had so much fun being trolled. I learned so much here’s some of it: (also btw I posted this but was told to remove it so I’m adding it to the comments section).

I was truly educated in the last 12 hours, here’s what I’ve learned:

• All Lesbians are man-hating and obsessed with male junk, the more aggressively you push that point the more manly you are!

-calling women fatties, ugly, dusty cunt, etc. is still a regular practice by males posting online even subsequent to 1995. They think they sound strong, brave, honorable and are doing a community service warning others. Who knew!

-all feminists are crazy, hysterical, need to seek help, are undoing years of therapy or should just kill themselves.

-Porn viewing is a God Given right ordained by the creator!

-If you mock someone’s terrible ability to construct a sentence you are also an evil fatty, ugly, hate immigrants and probably use the n word (this was based on no observable fact just you know, inferring based on man-steria).

-If I respond to all the trolling comments I’m the problem and creating more drama in a sub titled r/drama

-Women in their 40’s are useless and should be replaced by latex sex bots or are consumed with their earning potential, they really have no value so just kill them all actually. Especially Soccer Mom’s

• Some of the men that responded to me were thoughtful and actually cared about the original topic, I enjoyed engaging with them, a truly fun use of my time (you know who you are).

-Everyone here is a sophisticated “hand expert/weight expert” and can tell from a picture of your hand what a fatty loser you are. I can tell you are a fatty so die in a fire fatty, look at that pic of 3/4 of your hand!

-Be careful or we’ll dox you, because anonymity on reddit for women, especially those using feminism as a talking point is a cancer to society. (Again invoke community service advocacy akin to outing fatties).

-There is an incredible over use of the word fatty on this sub.

-Last but not least, I’m staying!!! (unless I’m banned for too much womandrama). I have passed initiation into the lolcow hall of history now officially know to me as r/drama

Wee!!!