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You shut your whore mouth, Snappy!

Keep that whore mouth open, Snappy

No it's natural being a tranny fish surgically remove thier penises all the time

How do you think they're gonna explain this one? BPD is not a disability? It's a good thing?

The reasoning goes that it's just misogyny that causes and/or justifies it.

How is being a dramatic asshole a disability? It's just being a dramatic asshole. I'M a dramatic asshole. It's my own fault.

If you’ve ever been on tumblr there’s a pretty strong case that it’s not all your fault.

Looks like we have the next thing that's not going to be considered a mental illness

Sadly, feminists have pushed for that too, which is especially egregious if you know anything about the disorder.

Personality disorders aren't an illness, they're just a collection of traits. Classifying them as mental illnesses suggests that they aren't responsible for being shit, but there is no chemical imbalance to "cure."

Yes- they are mental illness,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s

Nah, they're really not. Not anymore than being a dick is a mental illness. Especially in the case of cluster b, they're just psychological labels thrown onto certain socially problematic personality types.

Being a dick is a normal human trait, acting like you care and then being a dick isn't normal though, miss me with this retarded shit autist.

The problem with calling a personality disorder an "illness" is that it is, at least temporarily, adaptive: it works. The fact that a BPD/NPD/ASPD/etc behavior gets rewarded in the short term is an important part of why people "learn" to be borderline. But this same etiology makes it difficult to call the behaviors a disease.

Fevers are adaptive, too. Scar tissue is adaptive. Pharmacological tolerance is adaptive. Arthrofibrosis and drug addiction are still diseases.

chemical imbalance

oh god not this again. the whole "chemical imbalance" psuedodiagnosis is so 1990.

Bitch your shoes are so 1990

eh, not today. i do got some monkey boots in a box somewhere i'm sure though

but if I can't get my understanding of how the brain works from pharmaceutical commercials then where am I supposed to get it?

ancient mystics, of course

Borderline personality disorder is a mental illness

[National Institute of Mental Health ](https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml

Look further into it playboy, including means of treatment and the reasons for those. One of the reasons they're also culturally specific.

post a source

"go find a source that agrees with me"

Pulling the "Citation Needed" shit on /r/drama

Shouldn't you be adding exclamation points to "Science!" in wiki articles you don't understand?

get called out for being drastically wrong?

scream "SERISS POSTEEEEEEN"

I wanna downvote him so hard... But this is Drama. It would be wrong.

You are only allowed to downvote if you think it will make someone really mad.

Heck the rules

You’re a retard nibba 😅😴😴

Wait, so we should just blindly believe you or something?

Maybe if you were doctor Celsius you'd know how sources work.

It would be pretty damn sweet to tell you to end your life but I have mental illness called reddit rules that prevent me from doing so.

Rude

That’s like saying that people with extreme phobias or hoarders or other behavior disorders that aren’t related to a chemical imbalance are normal. If they were normal they could be easily corrected.

Being mentally ill doesn’t remove you from the consequences of your actions. A diagnosis can help find a solution to help correct the problem, and those solutions can range from various therapies and types of support to temporary medications if necessary. If people don’t get help, they’re not going to get better on their own.

He thinks therapy is more than just an outlet for white people to share their nerotic bullshit in place of normal family and friend relationships

Found the mayo

In all honesty though, I've found if I took what used to be an old psych appointment, turn the intensity down a lot, and just bring an issue to a friend or one of my parents, I tend to get more practical advice in the moment that doesn't blow smoke up my ass on what is or isn't possible so long as I stay on a regimen of pills.

Between that and a little mindfulness training, things are better now than taking 3 pills a day and talking to Dr. Shelby about whatever crazy shit is going on which never helped shit.

What if your friends and family also have issues? Then you're in a self-feeding dysfunction soup. The people in our lives are there to support us and visa versa, but they aren't there to fix us. Even if they are trained they are going to be too close to the problem to be objective.

Therapy ain't just for white people. Sometimes you gotta step back from your world to see where you're fucking up. That's what they're there for.

Being mentally ill doesn’t remove you from the consequences of your actions.

Are you saying Tumblr lied to me?

Labeling something a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply a lack of responsibility.

Many personality disorders begin developing before adulthood, when the child's parents are in control of the environment- it's not necessarily the child's fault because they were taught and encouraged to act a certain way.

Personality disorders frequently coexist with mental health issues. Sometimes solving the root cause can eliminate some of the reactionary traits.

DBT is the best "cure" for BPD, it lowers the rate of suicidality and increases the life span of sufferers. BPD is not just people "being shit" it's a serious condition that people do not conciously feed into.

It isn't though. Personality disorders are literally just being such a dysfunctional shitbat that your very personality is considered a mental issue. There's no chemical imbalance like depression or anything. It entirely their own fault for being such rampant fuckups.

> implying depression is real and depressed people aren't just narcissistic children who refuse to take responsibility for their behavior and emotions

I mean we have treatments for it, they work better than yelling at them and telling them their pieces of shit.

Cue a study that shows that post-treatment depressies still commit suicide at 4x the normal rate.

What is the real solution to such a disorder? Beatings.

Only if performed by a sexy lady in a leather outfit.

Unfortunately some people haven’t gotten the memo.

Not really. A history of trauma/neglect are often contributers. It's not like people are born that way. There is a catalyst.

My sister has BPD. Trust me, she wasn't traumatized or neglected. Bitch just is cray.

If people are doing their CBT or BDT good on them. They're making an improvement. But what they're essentially doing is reprogramming their dysfunctional brains.

Some people are like that and I agree with your last statement. But I've met plenty of people who have had shitty upbringings that result in them being diagnosed with a personality disorder. I haven't met anyone that is just "cray" but honestly I'm pretty sure those people exist. Safe to say people are different and what they go through is varied.

But I've met plenty of people who have had shitty upbringings that result in them being diagnosed with a personality disorder.

Cause does not equal correlation. Added their shitty upbringing may have had something to do with their parents mental issues too. Crazy breeds crazy.

My upbringing was a nightmare. Full of crime and abuse and constantly being fed fucked up thoughts. Short of being regularly molested, not many Americans had it worse than me.

But all the fucked up shit I've done was my choice. I made those decisions, even the impulsive ones, based on my fucked up beliefs and values. Just like all the people I was around as a child did.

Everyone has an excuse, but ultimately we're all responsible for our actions and choices.

I agree with everything you said about us being responsible for our actions. If it seemed like I was earlier pulling the mental illness card as an excuse for people's actions I poorly communicated the point I was trying to make. Which was that environmental factors play a significant role in people being diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder, and while there are people who do not fit that criteria and are still being diagnosed as having bpd, that does not negate the effects a poor environment can have.

The initial commenter stated that people are entierely their own fault for being fuck ups and my response was that no, not entirely. If you have a shitty upbringing that definitely contributes to the piss poor actions people make in their lives. Thus there's a contributer.

Unless of course this is all mental gymnastics on my part

le anecdote > scientific studies

Reddit never change

Where did the BPD defense force come from lmfao

/r/trollxchromosomes

Same as always.

Trust me, she wasn't traumatized or neglected. Bitch just is cray.

It's not like people are born that way. There is a catalyst.

No some people are born fucking crazy assholes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqJ6YWbBGVk

"Shitty people raised me so I will be a shitty person too".

Yeah nice excuse.

On the other hand, it's speculated that people's mental state could have an influence on their assorted biological functions. Perhaps prenatal development could get affected as well?

Everything in the brain is ultimately the result of electrochemical reactions, could easily be something we just don't know about yet. I mean honestly are we really even sure depression is a chemical imbalance? All that we know is that we have certain drugs that boost certain receptors, and people tend to get better after taking them.

Not even most. Just a statistically significant amount of people more than placebo

Chemical Imbalance causing depression is also largely pop science, the research doesn’t really say that.

You can be a perfectly normal person up until adulthood and then develop a personality disorder. I've seen it happen myself and it's pretty sad.

It doesn't justify them being a shitty person, but it does explain why.

dog rapist talking about normal people

The DSM-V no longer considers zoophilia to be a mental disorder.

Keep yourself safe, dog rapist

Personality disorders correlate with impaired or altered brain function in various brain regions.

This paper is from 1991

Hot take: Trannies have bitched incessantly about shrinks diagnosing autogynephilia because it hurts their fee fees, but it would explain a misdiagnosis of GID in people who have simply developed a paraphilia based around over attachment to their psycho mommies.

It would also go part of the way to explaining the huge gender disparity between MtF and FtM transexuals.

That, their huge prevalence for autism, narcissistic personality disorder, their rate for suicidal attempt much, much higher than for other arguably more debilitating conditions.

Seriously though, LGBT lobbies are muddying the waters for trannies, and it's not helping anybody. The sane ones are getting such a bad reputations because of insane autistic "gender-trenders", the autogynephiles you see posting on Reddit, asking if they're cute example 1 example 2.

They make good drama though, can't deny that.

I would have liked to go my whole life without seeing that example 1 pic.

your examples made me want to kill myself so i could forget i saw those

Wtf I'm a chaser now

It would make for a more tolerant society if people were asked to form their opinion on trans people before interacting with them in reddit. Nothing good can come from the latter.

90% of them will absolutely harass you if you call Bruce Jenner by his name or his correct pronoun though. Maybe the focus should be to make society less degenerate? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

goodbye horses
i'm flying over you

The study is so old (1991) to read their methods I'd have to physically go into my university's library. Sounds juicy though...

Study had 33 people in it.

If you actually want to read it, just paste this DOI link into Sci-Hub.

i once read studies that correlated homosexuality to bad experiences with the parent of the opposite gender.

Homosexuality appears to be strongly linked to genetics.

gay

Why are you wasting this on us? Post it to science and gendercritical and fucking everywhere! This has tons of potential.

1991

33 participants

Nah I think I’ll pass

You're going to end up throwing out most psychological studies with that bath water. You probably should though as they tend to be non-repeatable.

throwing most psychological studies out with that bath water

Not true, but also yes.

God I hope we throw them out. Most psych studies are useless. "We find that in people aged 18-24 who all go to the same college and are part of a psychology program there is a 35% incidence of this. We will now extrapolate to the general population."

And if the defense to this is "it's really hard to get data from the population" then maybe we shouldn't place a high value on the research.

It's even worse when social scientists use anonymous internet surveys to get their data.

imagine my shock that r/drama is filled with agenda posters looking for conformation bias and who also tend to be innumerate

Don't forget r/raisedbynarcissists!

We're creating a world of fucking retards, and that's a great thing

1991 Mar;30

no number of participants to be found (am I just blind)

nice meme

LUL found it

Compared 16 mothers of boys with gender identity disorder (GID) with 17 mothers of normal boys. Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines (J. G. Gunderson et al; see record 1981-28151-001) and the Beck Depression Inventory reveal that mothers of boys with GID had more symptoms of depression and more often met the criteria for borderline personality disorder than the controls. Results of the Summers and Walsh Symbiosis Scale suggest that mothers of probands had childrearing attitudes and practices that encouraged symbiosis and discouraged the development of autonomy. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

33 individuals tested, wew lad

Yeah, apart from basically uselessly small sample, there's also probably going to be a higher incidence of psychiatric problems in people who in the early 90s are referring their kids to a psychiatric clinic. Or if you've been there yourself or have your own psychiatric problem you're more likely to take your kid there.

It's pretty established that being trans is from a combination of epigenetic and genetic antecedents (ie familial, sibling, twin correlations, dysphoria in cis people, dysphoria in intersex people) so I'd have to see much stronger evidence than this to really think environment plays much of a role (except in the sense of - if you have a more accepting environment you're more likely to come out instead of being closeted)

It's pretty established that being trans is from a combination of epigenetic and genetic antecedents posting on Ghazi

get out with this seriousposting

OP started with his "we found 12 crazy bitches back in the 90s" study.

"A bussy for a bussy only ends up making the whole world gay." -Mahatma Gandhi

I'm by no means an expert on this issue, and I honestly have not much of an investment in it, but I just call out nonsense studies when I see one. And it isn't even that the study itself is nonsense, just the agenda posting relying on this fringe early 90s study, probably from before the majority here was even born.

You don't need a study to figure out that trannies are mentally defective.

For something that affects 0.6% of the adult population, it's going to be very difficult to get a large sample.

That would be 2 millions ( 40 000 per state ) in the US alone, 3 millions ( 100 000 per country ) in the EU. And it's not like most would be hard to find, they had to go through very specific medical procedures if not have to get psychiatric care for that exact condition.

That's a hundred times more than albinos, a fifth of twin births. That's way enough for any serious studies to find enough people.

.6% is an estimation based on other studies, I assume the vast majority of those people are not as easy to identify as albinos or twins. How many trans people have actually publicly outed themselves are trans?

That's not really relevant. If someone wishing to study transgenders wants people to study, they can just ask psychiatrists and surgeons to reach out to transgenders for them.

Sure, it won't reach all transgender people, and most won't accept ( And they'll have anonymity, so outing themselves as trans isn't really a problem ), but what was it, 16 transgender people in this study ? Don't tell me one can't do better than 16 f*cking people. FFS, I've seen 2 minutes reports on TV that featured half that many, and they definitely didn't scour the end of the Earth to find them.

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Found the retard who doesn't understand statistics.

you need a much larger sample size and more controlled conditions to extrapolate anything from this.

Trannies are too small a subject group

You?

"you're wrong, here's not why! No seriously, I'm not even going to make a slight attempt to tell you why I think you're wrong! Hell, I'll just call em a retard. That'll learn 'em"

Turns out the only problem with trans was the way society treated them

Transphobia truly is the biggest faggotry of them all.

Agreed, they need a smack up side the head and people need to stop feeding into their delusional bull shit.

It's pretty common in initial studies to use very small samples. They can still produce statistically significant results that warrant further studies. And social science would basically be impossible if you required massive 500-1000 sample sizes for every study. However a single study usually is not the final word on the subject.

Time for a meta-regression!

> replication

>in psychology

Oh I am laffin.

Yeah, tons of psychological studies are total bunk. And they get buttmad when asked to replicate.

The worst part is when the shitty studies get picked up by some pop psych magazine or website and now we have a bunch of retards walking around with meme psychology(that conveniently supports their personal opinions) that they spout regularly.

Oh, you didnt know that trannies are a social engineering project funded by Jews?

Mental illness has a genetic component? Who woulda figured that!

Literally no drama required for this sub to bash on transwomen now.

truth hurts

So that’s why you people freak out at the mention of trans people?

who is freaking out? lmao im tired of hearing about .1% of the population constantly. yalls non-stop pants shitting indignation is drowning out my attention span that id prefer to use for stuff i actually enjoy, like getting hammered and jacking it to tranny porn. hush becky

“Women”

The TERFwar has been won. Dickgrils lost.

I think you mean men.

It's an old study, but it could absolutely be replicated nowadays. It's just that it'd be very politically taboo to do so.

Ask transgender people you know about their parents.

Somebody check on "I'm Jazz!!"'s mom... the kid who at the age of 3 supposedly told his mom he wanted a good fairy to amputate his penis and invert his ball sack up into his prostate (which he would no longer evidently need either). Kid was on hormone blockers (uh... and anti-depressants at the same time wtf) before the natural effect of hormones could kick in.... never stood a chance.

People with cluster b personality disorders need to be shipped off to camps and dealt with.

Saying that means you are prob cluster b

Burqa the mothers remove the penises allahu akbar err'y day

Is anyone else getting a weird error message for archive.li talking about police reports?