This, but unironically.

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lmao, in that same thread in which someone had used Anti-Semitism as a bad part of Fascism, someone else was downvoted for calling someone out for claiming the ZOG is real.

Whats wrong with fascism?

/u/Rational_Debate : Literally Everything. (Except Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories)

I'm sorry, what now? Show me where I said anti-semitism is OK? I'll wait.

You didn't say it explicitly, but you did denigrate a person who called someone out for reciting ZOG-esque conspiracies. Which seems kinda strange for someone who's not an Anti-Semitie

Dude... 🤦🏼‍♂️

Shouldn't you be organizing protests over the US's Immigration policy in Eve, or did the ZOG shut you down there too.

Google the “you tried meme” I am unable to link it but it is what I think of you right now

You're a pretty funny troll account, ngl.

Stay woke fam

He loves his memes but forgets Xi Jinping. https://youtu.be/M0lJc3PMNIg

you conflate "goldman sachs" with "zionism" and hope nobody will notice.

You defending the antisemitic conspiracy that the jews are an evil shadow goverment controlling all countries

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Fascism doesn't just have a "how they get there" issue, racism, hypernationalism, and war are all part of the end goal too. If you want public works and family values you still don't want fascism, unless you think WWII was good for European families and infrastructure.

I'm not too sure you can characterise war as an end goal of any political system, even fascism despite it being extremely militaristic, has examples of regimes that were relatively peaceful compared to democratic states.

For example?

The only fascist countries who don't get into wars are shitholes or client states.

Can't you say that about any type of country though?

thanks to the cold war, practically every country is either a shithole or a client state

Only if you want to compare Denmark sending two planes to Afghanistan with fascists destroying Europe.

What? One of the main aspects of fascism is the glorification of war and the "struggle" against the impure.

Sure that's the rhetoric, but it doesn't always translate into action. A lot of soviet style communist countries also talked a lot about empowering workers but in reality that wasn't the case.

Not that I'm justifying fascism, as a political system it isn't even good enough to last more than a few decades even with the severe amounts of repression it uses.

Empowering workers is a little more difficult than violence and war. Almost every fascist country has gone to, or tried to go to, war with either a foreign country or elements perceived as foreign within their own country (almost always minorities and commies, but usually left wingers in general too).

But it's not fascist specific is all I'm saying, you can level that same critique against Autocracies in general. Hell even the US has done that, even going after left wingers during the red scare.

Fam, I never said that was specific to fascism, just one of the main aspects

and I'm saying since war is to ubiquitous you can't say it is an aspect of any political system since nearly all have taken part in wars of aggression.

Yeah you can have a fascist society like Greece where they just get ready to go to war with someone that could obviously stomp them. It's a waste of resources even without an actual declaration of war.

This is technically true insofar as fascists imagine an end state where they have achieved peace by beating every opponent, threat or hindrance into submission.

which is interesting because the endgame is completely imaginary within a fascistic system. Fascism can't exist without an opposition force, real or imagined.

Til the ussr was a fascist state

I see you are struggling with your new knowledge, and I get it, political classification is hard. A good rule of thumb is that it's probably not a fascist state if they make it more than 20 years without getting their shit pushed in.

Til

Literal redditspeak.

This needs to be understood. Fascism is not an ideology like any other, they have no coherent structure outside of "can this help me dominate inferior people."

It is completely pointless ever trying to argue with fascists, they do not argue in good faith nor do they have any regard for the truth.

assumption that fascism was an “ism” like the other great political systems of the modern world: conservatism, liberalism, socialism. Usually taken for granted, that assumption is worth scrutinizing.

The other “isms” were created in an era when politics was a gentleman’s business, conducted through protracted and learned parliamentary debate among educated men who appealed to each other’s reasons as well as their sentiments. The classical “isms” rested upon coherent philosophical systems laid out in the works of systematic thinkers. It seems only natural to explain them by examining their programs and the philosophy that underpinned them.

Fascism, by contrast, was a new invention created afresh for the era of mass politics. It sought to appeal mainly to the emotions by the use of ritual, carefully stage-managed ceremonies, and intensely charged rhetoric. The role programs and doctrine play in it is, on closer inspection, fundamentally unlike the role they play in conservatism, liberalism, and socialism. Fascism does not rest explicitly upon an elaborated philosophical system, but rather upon popular feelings about master races, their unjust lot, and their rightful predominance over inferior peoples. It has not been given intellectual underpinnings by any system builder, like Marx, or by any major critical intelligence, like Mill, Burke, or Tocqueville.69

In a way utterly unlike the classical “isms,” the rightness of fascism does not depend on the truth of any of the propositions advanced in its name. Fascism is “true” insofar as it helps fulfill the destiny of a chosen race or people or blood, locked with other peoples in a Darwinian struggle, and not in the light of some abstract and universal reason. The first fascists were entirely frank about this.

We [Fascists] don’t think ideology is a problem that is resolved in such a way that truth is seated on a throne. But, in that case, does fighting for an ideology mean fighting for mere appearances? No doubt, unless one considers it according to its unique and efficacious psychological-historical value. The truth of an ideology lies in its capacity to set in motion our capacity for ideals and action. Its truth is absolute insofar as, living within us, it suffices to exhaust those capacities.

The truth was whatever permitted the new fascist man (and woman) to dominate others, and whatever made the chosen people triumph.

Fascism rested not upon the truth of its doctrine but upon the leader’s mystical union with the historic destiny of his people, a notion related to romanticist ideas of national historic flowering and of individual artistic or spiritual genius, though fascism otherwise denied romanticism’s exaltation of unfettered personal creativity. The fascist leader wanted to bring his people into a higher realm of politics that they would experience sensually: the warmth of belonging to a race now fully aware of its identity, historic destiny, and power; the excitement of participating in a vast collective enterprise; the gratification of submerging oneself in a wave of shared feelings, and of sacrificing one’s petty concerns for the group’s good; and the thrill of domination. Fascism’s deliberate replacement of reasoned debate with immediate sensual experience transformed politics, as the exiled German cultural critic Walter Benjamin was the first to point out, into aesthetics. And the ultimate fascist aesthetic experience, Benjamin warned in 1936, was war.

The other thing about communism and fascism is those promoting think they would be in charge so everything would be good, even though they're usually the degenerates who get gassed or gulaged in those systems.

Wtf now I want commufascism like... Yestey

are you implying that "lol hitler liked doggies" is a good point?

lmao

the people youd have to stomp out for fascism are a lot more stompable than the ones youd have to for communism tbh

Communist kill more than just the rich

It seems to achieve nice stuff the same way as every non capitalist ideology: by murdering all those who disagree.

So it's pretty much exactly communism.

Come on, now.

Everyone knows that capitalism does this, too. It's just better at smiling and telling you to stfu and look at your double quarter pounder meal instead of the bodies.

/u/ImajoredinScrabble, where to start?

Ah yeah. Singapores authoritarian but doesn't rule by force.

Are you trying to claim Singapore for your side? They aren’t fascist. Massive expat population? State-enforced multiculturalism? Global city? None of those things are fascist. If they were fascist they’d have failed in less than a decade and been absorbed by one of their neighbors. I’m the biggest Lee Kuan Yew fanboy you’ll ever find, and the world would be a better place if more societies had the Singaporean model.

Are you trying to claim Singapore for your side? They aren’t fascist. Massive expat population? State-enforced multiculturalism? Global city?

You and I know both know Singapore is dominated by the Chinese, and that's the way they want it to stay.

Yeah but the Malays and Tamils have unofficially guaranteed “representation” (such as it is) in the government.

It's still 70% plus chinese and the single party that has ruled the government is made up of mostly Chinese.

I support Singapore because they banned gum and cane you for chewing it.

They do not cane you for chewing gum, lol.

this is how it feels to chew 5 gum

they do put you in jail for chewing gum though

Nobody's perfect.

Imagine unironically supporting fascism.

When everything is labelled fascism, it isnt really a suprise

Interesting seeing as Facism is actually a philosophy stemming from the left.

/u/Twitchuser22 with the quintessential "iT's aCkShuAlLy leFtisM"

Another day, another retard.

I was referring to some of the ideas. You know, the idea that the state shares the assests? But yeah you're great at having debates.

a Karma grab

in /r/drama?!

it's more likely than you think

Shut it nerd

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I know you're still out there, pussy:

Imagine being such a fag that you delete your account when someone points out you suffer from mental retardation.

"leftism is when the state does things" - coral marks

/r/australia isnt a sub for actual australians, its for greens voters and people who live in melbourne pretty much exclusively

Apparently they ABC has a right wing bias according to them.

IMO people from the countryside in general shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm pretty sure there's not a single country in the entire world that wouldn't be better off if that rule were generally enforced.

fascism's success rate makes communism look like a real government