Reddit's normie-friendly nucommies are the most milquetoast wishy-washy worms on this site. I can at least somewhat respect their crazy tankie cousins for having some ideological consistency and backbone when they willingly double down and defend the many shitty examples of their retarded ideology.
You submitted this about 13 minutes before you told me you got fired so I think you might have done this to yourself. Regardless, I can get you a new job over the internet, please just give me your social security number, DOB, full name, and an image of your bussy.
Honestly you don't even have to go to crazy tankies to get a much less hypocritical (and downright idiotic) take. If you're basing an ideology's validity on the views of dumbshit, normie redditors...
Fucking Costco and their high pay. If only they paid people less their returns would be much higher, look at how well Walmart and CVS have done over the last year compared to it
Capital is the resources used to produce the goods, whether it be the raw material used, the machinery and tools used ("capital goods"), or the medium of exchange used to buy both.
A lot of my savings go to purchase shares of a Vanguard index fund.
Vanguard is huge, largest shareholder in Apple, Google, biggest non-Bezos holder of Amazon, etc.
Vanguard Group Incorporated is owned by ... its own funds.
Some kind of capitalist plot.
Must be right wing propaganda, those countries are all wonderful cultural melting pots, not that I have ever seen someone browner than a holiday tan before.
And great places for investment. If you'd invested just 100 bolivar 4 years ago in USD you'd now be worth 1,199,040 bolivar. Such a thriving economy ;P
By being authoritarian dictatorships. But Marx was mainly writing about new economic order, and viewing communism through that lens, it managed to accomplish remarkable things by transforming large agricultural nations who were technologicaly inferior to their competitors and enemies to economic powerhouses. Beside, it was never tried in industrial or even post industrial society which was his major thesis. Thats why people are saying that "real" communism has never been tried.
I mean, SSSR and China industrialized, but its not the same. The dictatorship they established when they needed to industrialize survived in age that different model was needed and theorized about, and that transition to it never came.
Im mainly talking about postWW1 Russia and post WW2 China.
Venezuela, Cuba and Soviet sattelite states post WW2 arent ok to mention because i think their failures came due to outside factors, not internal. Sanctions fuck up a lot. If they werent sanctioned and were left to develop their socialism ? Im not saying they would be succesful, but story changes.
who, me ? yeah. from my bed.
commies ? fuck yeah. they overthrew a monarchy and fidel overthrew usa puppetdom. china and vietnam as well concerning european colonizers.
Well yeah. But true communism is more of a theoretical thing. Communism mostly requires revolution because its class based and ruling class wont intentionaly surrender their benefits.
And then requires the revolutionaries to not misuse their power, so.
Nah. Didnt happen. But seeing how communistic revolutions and propagations happened during times where absolutism wasnt a exception but the rule and how income inequality doubles yearly, doesnt mean that next time would be the same as those, if and only if, influence of citizens grows more in politics
Cool cool cool. If true communism is more of a theoretical thing, is it unattainable? And are you happy or sad with the way communism usually (pretty much always) turns out (into an authoritarian regime.
Realistically, is there any alternative post successful revolution?
No, its not unattainable. You never know what can happen. But i think its still unattainable because wherever that revolution happens, places in which it doesnt will view them antagonisticaly which would require centralization. Nothing happens in a vacuum and thats why i think its more theoreticaly based. Ofcourse im not happy about it, but everyone needs to remember one thing, the regimes they overthrew were worse.
And one another. Beyond revolutions, or any other thing. Does the concept of workers owning the means of production sound better then working for someone who does, especialy in futurism, where most of that work will be automated. If yes, whats wrong in going toward that change ? Rest of it, for example, the threat of violence youd need to pass to get it is just chains the elites put on us.
I'd have to disagree with the regimes being over thrown being worse ALL time time to be honest. Vietnam I can definitely see that... USSR, not so much (see also the holodomor, gulags, purges, KGB, etc)
Youd choose feudalism at its worst over Soviet Union at its worst ?
Cause thats what Russia was before the revolution. Unindustralized Absolute Monarchy. And throw in serfdom which was abolished only comparatively recently before it.
Also, youd live in country that was at mercy of any industralized country. And probably watch the worst genocide in history happen to your people cause in WW2, Russia would lose.
Wow. Well unless you lucky, you wouldnt live as a hermit in the woods. Woods are royal and only they are allowed to hunt there.
The biggest probability is that youd live on a farm working for the landlord and forced by law to live your whole life there and feed him.
Yes, surely living in a second largest world superpower is that much worse.
Stalin came to Russia with a wooden plough and left it in possession of atomic weapons.
Stalin came to Russia with a wooden plough and left it in possession of atomic weapons.
I absolutely love it when historically illiterate tankies spout this nonsense. It shows just how deep their heads are shoved in their Che-tattooed asses.
Newflash, numbnuts, Russia, with fits and starts, was already industrializing through the 19th century and into the early 20th century up to the revolution. Industrial centers were emerging, industries were emerging, there were railways, internal capital was being generated, as was foreign investment. Stalin didn't create any of that. Neither did Lenin. Neither did the Bolsheviks. Rather, they inherited it. If they hadn't, Bolshevik, 'industrialization' efforts would have gone the way of the Great Leap Forward.
Ffs, Russia under a random republican or a vanilla authoritarian system with a shred of competence would have industrialized and developed in the 20th century anyway, in slower, more effective manner, without starving 4 millions peasants to death. Stalinism is one way of industrialization, just as cannibalism is one way of attaining a high protein diet.
The biggest probability is that youd live on a farm working for the landlord and forced by law to live your whole life there and feed him
Everything you just said is wrong. Thats unfortunate cause you wrote a lot of things. Google Soviet economic miracle. They inherited world war, uneducated peasants and few factories in Skt. Petersburg and Moscow.
Now google explicitly Stalin`s policy of collectivization and industrialization and his 5 year plans and results should speak for themselves. Here are results of the first. Areas like capital goods increased 158%, consumer goods increased by 87%, and total industrial output increased by 118% while the workface for both men and women doubled, and literacy increased by massive percentages till he accomplished full employment. It was biggest and most rapid economic improvement in history of the world till Chinas. How the fck can you get more effective then that ? His policies turned SSSR in superpower. That from plough to atomic bomb is absolutely correct, he was fuckd up dictator who murdered millions and turned his country from backwards agrarian one to industrial superpower. How many peasants would starve during that slower manner? Less ? Sure. Significantly less ? Not sure.
Besides your point is moot cause you didnt consider Hitler. Oh, and he defeated him. And thing that you probably hate the most is that he couldnt have done it without those explicit economic policies that took so many lives. Acknowledge it or not, reality is reality.
And speak about Mao and his failure of Great Leap what you want, China during his rule was a improvement to century of humiliation and CONSTANT starvation that came before him.
No they didn't you commie fuck. The February Revolution did. The only thing the Bolsheviks did was crush the Russian people's chance for freedom and genuine democracy by instigating the October Revolution, and instituting a system even more brutal and oppressive than anything the tsars ever had.
And landowners and the rich in the prov.government would institute democracy and freedom ? institute mass education and industrialization ? Defeat Hitler ? Maybe youre right. But maybe youre not and uneducated peasantry would stay that way and suffer more. Dont tell me there is no way that could happen ? Its beside the point anyway cause Marx meant for revolution to happen after we achieved self sufficiency through capitalism to solve the inequality inherent in capitalism were seeing now.
It wont be a communist revolution, it will be revolution of the have nots. Were seeing more and more of income inequality. Imagine the end result of it where ridiculously small percentage of people own almost everything and if it changed, and seeing how automatization is advancing, machines they are using for personal profit coulld feed and take care of whole world. Why would you be against revolution then ?
edit; i mean "then" as in, at that hypothetical point in time. hypothetical but increasingly likely.
automatization is advancing, machines they are using for personal profit coulld feed and take care of whole world. Why would you be against revolution then ?
Automatization isn't (and was never meant to) going to lead to world socialism. If anything, it's going to make it even more obsolete. This isn't an Iain M. Banks novel.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Why not ? Its unrealisticaly utopian but do you for example, see star trek society as socialist ?
The United Federation of Planets is a magic society, with magic technology, aliens and magical space gods and no real basis to any known or workable societal or political model. So yeah, you could case for it closely resembling socialism.
Four employees bought the place and probably feel pretty good about themselves right now.
But sooner or later they're gonna disagree about something and it will be a shitshow. It may be next year, or the year after, or five years down the road but it will go to hell.
"Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill!"
Not an economist, but my vague memories of the two weeks of economics I had in my 8th grade civics class makes me think that going from working at a business to owning it is more of a capitalism thing.
The class was actually really comprehensive when it came to civics. Unfortunately the public school curriculum only allowed for two weeks (5 classes on block scheduling) to devote to economics. My teacher did an admirable job with the time he was given, but, like many topics that aren't on state mandated testing, there just wasn't time to learn more than basic definitions and a couple of examples before we had to return to the material that would determine if we passed or failed for the year. I agree that it's important to know, but, in my state at least, economics never comes up in the curriculum again, and by the time I was old enough to realize it was more important than school let on I had less than no interest in figuring out the nitty-gritty of every system, and frankly, I don't think knowing everything about different systems will change my life dramatically enough to make studying them a priority. I know the bare basics, I'm not too proud to admit that there's more I don't know than I do, and I have Google.
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119 Matues49 2018-07-21
You're bound to scrap the bottom of the barrel when you're this desperate to find an example that validates your ideology/cult.
67 _Suprememe_ 2018-07-21
Reddit's normie-friendly nucommies are the most milquetoast wishy-washy worms on this site. I can at least somewhat respect their crazy tankie cousins for having some ideological consistency and backbone when they willingly double down and defend the many shitty examples of their retarded ideology.
28 LicenceNo42069 2018-07-21
They're literally just SocJus progressives with a cool aesthetic. Most of them don't give a fuck about economics other than "gib freebees"
25 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
My ideology is gib milkies 👶
10 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
Gib cummies
3 rokety_roket 2018-07-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVDnpsGTZY
2 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
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4 Admins_Suck_Dick 2018-07-21
😜
2 casprus 2018-07-21
DESGUSTENGhot
2 DoctorMort 2018-07-21
FUCK that's disgusting. i'm going to throw up. ewwwww!!!! by the way can u link me the source?
2 Happy_Pumpkin 2018-07-21
GOD fucking damnit
3 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
Heh
2 SJCards 2018-07-21
I want to click both but I'm in public.
2 redmugofcoffee 2018-07-21
n o t f e m i n i n e
2 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
Masculine Trap House
2 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
fuck me
2 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
Here I cum
2 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
Goddamnit I did it again!
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
That's what xe said ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
1 ricoue 2018-07-21
This got me fired. Fuck you.
2 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-07-21
You submitted this about 13 minutes before you told me you got fired so I think you might have done this to yourself. Regardless, I can get you a new job over the internet, please just give me your social security number, DOB, full name, and an image of your bussy.
12 grungebot5000 2018-07-21
i mean, yeah?
3 pitterpatterwater 2018-07-21
Giving a fuck about economics is why I'm a centrist neoliberal.
5 hexane360 2018-07-21
Honestly you don't even have to go to crazy tankies to get a much less hypocritical (and downright idiotic) take. If you're basing an ideology's validity on the views of dumbshit, normie redditors...
14 EarnestNoMeta 2018-07-21
the bottom of the fish barrel? eh? eh?
6 gyrotur 2018-07-21
Haha, nice.
3 32624647 2018-07-21
Boooo
76 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2018-07-21
The idea that all companies are run by robber barrons is pretty hilarious.
Plenty of companies that don't get negative press have great cultures.
63 Matues49 2018-07-21
lol sweaty capitalism is robbery, bye
48 Mikeavelli 2018-07-21
This is what communists unironically believe.
25 WorkRedditHooray 2018-07-21
Taxes are wage theft
31 GrittyOil 2018-07-21
Wages are tax theft.
28 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-07-21
FTFY
5 ironicshitpostr 2018-07-21
(((This)))
3 uniqueguy263 2018-07-21
Fucking Costco and their high pay. If only they paid people less their returns would be much higher, look at how well Walmart and CVS have done over the last year compared to it
-1 ItWouldBeGrand 2018-07-21
Nah, Walmart started paying higher wages as well, minimum $11/hr. It's Trump derangement syndrome.
3 watermark02 2018-07-21
Taxes should ideally be on capital, not wages. Capital is the enemy, not wages, or even prices.
9 nanonan 2018-07-21
Capital is the concept that has created everything of value that surrounds you.
2 thegayotter 2018-07-21
Except labour did that. The "things" around you can exist without capital, they cannot exist without labour by definition.
1 nanonan 2018-07-21
Yeah, the labour of others seeking their fortune while you wallow in your misfortune.
1 Diddu_Sumfin 2018-07-21
Capital is the resources used to produce the goods, whether it be the raw material used, the machinery and tools used ("capital goods"), or the medium of exchange used to buy both.
3 redmugofcoffee 2018-07-21
I just enjoy shopping somewhere where the employees don't appear to be constantly on the verge of suicide
1 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
LVT
2 MelissaClick 2018-07-21
I don't get what you're implying here.
Actual literal robber barons (feudal barons illegally taxing people) probably had great cultures too.
70 UmmahSultan 2018-07-21
Oh man, just wait until they hear about publicly traded stocks.
28 geraldodelrivero 2018-07-21
corporations are the truest form of socialism
10 grungebot5000 2018-07-21
corporatism is basically syndicalism which is basically socialism
5 none_to_remain 2018-07-21
A lot of my savings go to purchase shares of a Vanguard index fund. Vanguard is huge, largest shareholder in Apple, Google, biggest non-Bezos holder of Amazon, etc. Vanguard Group Incorporated is owned by ... its own funds. Some kind of capitalist plot.
50 RollBread 2018-07-21
I wonder how they did that? 🤔
I wonder how China did that too... 🤔🤔🤔
31 HaydenMcM 2018-07-21
Or Venezuela?
27 RollBread 2018-07-21
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Must be right wing propaganda, those countries are all wonderful cultural melting pots, not that I have ever seen someone browner than a holiday tan before.
18 HaydenMcM 2018-07-21
And great places for investment. If you'd invested just 100 bolivar 4 years ago in USD you'd now be worth 1,199,040 bolivar. Such a thriving economy ;P
9 Zozbot 2018-07-21
zoz
4 Zozbot 2018-07-21
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4 Zozbot 2018-07-21
zozzle
5 wwaalleess 2018-07-21
Hi zozzy
5 JustAThrowaway4563 2018-07-21
hey cutie :)
2 grungebot5000 2018-07-21
now that’s totally different. the old despot died and people don’t like the new one
2 the_marx 2018-07-21
DAE bask in the light of ur own idiocy
1 RollBread 2018-07-21
I am the second sun.
1 grungebot5000 2018-07-21
by killing a bunch of people and introducing a new dictatorship, duh
same thing, but with bonus famine, a cultural revolution, and ultimately becoming the foremost global superpower
-2 yastru 2018-07-21
By being authoritarian dictatorships. But Marx was mainly writing about new economic order, and viewing communism through that lens, it managed to accomplish remarkable things by transforming large agricultural nations who were technologicaly inferior to their competitors and enemies to economic powerhouses. Beside, it was never tried in industrial or even post industrial society which was his major thesis. Thats why people are saying that "real" communism has never been tried. I mean, SSSR and China industrialized, but its not the same. The dictatorship they established when they needed to industrialize survived in age that different model was needed and theorized about, and that transition to it never came.
Im mainly talking about postWW1 Russia and post WW2 China. Venezuela, Cuba and Soviet sattelite states post WW2 arent ok to mention because i think their failures came due to outside factors, not internal. Sanctions fuck up a lot. If they werent sanctioned and were left to develop their socialism ? Im not saying they would be succesful, but story changes.
7 Western_Promises 2018-07-21
what is east germany? :S
1 yastru 2018-07-21
Carved puppet state in ruins.
4 Western_Promises 2018-07-21
Lmao gotta love that conviction. Rooting for you, bud.
1 yastru 2018-07-21
tnx mate. we will rise again.
9 OnionBits 2018-07-21
I mean did you ever successfully rise in the first place?
0 yastru 2018-07-21
who, me ? yeah. from my bed. commies ? fuck yeah. they overthrew a monarchy and fidel overthrew usa puppetdom. china and vietnam as well concerning european colonizers.
7 OnionBits 2018-07-21
I mean they may have over thrown them, hurray, anyone can do that. ISIS did it, it can't be that hard.
But they never established "muh true communism" according to the reddit tankies. Do you agree?
1 yastru 2018-07-21
Well yeah. But true communism is more of a theoretical thing. Communism mostly requires revolution because its class based and ruling class wont intentionaly surrender their benefits. And then requires the revolutionaries to not misuse their power, so. Nah. Didnt happen. But seeing how communistic revolutions and propagations happened during times where absolutism wasnt a exception but the rule and how income inequality doubles yearly, doesnt mean that next time would be the same as those, if and only if, influence of citizens grows more in politics
3 OnionBits 2018-07-21
Cool cool cool. If true communism is more of a theoretical thing, is it unattainable? And are you happy or sad with the way communism usually (pretty much always) turns out (into an authoritarian regime.
Realistically, is there any alternative post successful revolution?
2 yastru 2018-07-21
No, its not unattainable. You never know what can happen. But i think its still unattainable because wherever that revolution happens, places in which it doesnt will view them antagonisticaly which would require centralization. Nothing happens in a vacuum and thats why i think its more theoreticaly based. Ofcourse im not happy about it, but everyone needs to remember one thing, the regimes they overthrew were worse. And one another. Beyond revolutions, or any other thing. Does the concept of workers owning the means of production sound better then working for someone who does, especialy in futurism, where most of that work will be automated. If yes, whats wrong in going toward that change ? Rest of it, for example, the threat of violence youd need to pass to get it is just chains the elites put on us.
1 OnionBits 2018-07-21
I'd have to disagree with the regimes being over thrown being worse ALL time time to be honest. Vietnam I can definitely see that... USSR, not so much (see also the holodomor, gulags, purges, KGB, etc)
3 yastru 2018-07-21
Youd choose feudalism at its worst over Soviet Union at its worst ?
Cause thats what Russia was before the revolution. Unindustralized Absolute Monarchy. And throw in serfdom which was abolished only comparatively recently before it.
Also, youd live in country that was at mercy of any industralized country. And probably watch the worst genocide in history happen to your people cause in WW2, Russia would lose.
0 Matues49 2018-07-21
Absoluetly, are you dense? Living as a hermit in the woods is preferable to Stalinist '30s Russia.
1 yastru 2018-07-21
Wow. Well unless you lucky, you wouldnt live as a hermit in the woods. Woods are royal and only they are allowed to hunt there. The biggest probability is that youd live on a farm working for the landlord and forced by law to live your whole life there and feed him. Yes, surely living in a second largest world superpower is that much worse. Stalin came to Russia with a wooden plough and left it in possession of atomic weapons.
1 Matues49 2018-07-21
I absolutely love it when historically illiterate tankies spout this nonsense. It shows just how deep their heads are shoved in their Che-tattooed asses.
Newflash, numbnuts, Russia, with fits and starts, was already industrializing through the 19th century and into the early 20th century up to the revolution. Industrial centers were emerging, industries were emerging, there were railways, internal capital was being generated, as was foreign investment. Stalin didn't create any of that. Neither did Lenin. Neither did the Bolsheviks. Rather, they inherited it. If they hadn't, Bolshevik, 'industrialization' efforts would have gone the way of the Great Leap Forward.
Ffs, Russia under a random republican or a vanilla authoritarian system with a shred of competence would have industrialized and developed in the 20th century anyway, in slower, more effective manner, without starving 4 millions peasants to death. Stalinism is one way of industrialization, just as cannibalism is one way of attaining a high protein diet.
Live my whole life? Holy shit, I'd take that in a heartbeat. An undecillion times better than what me and ethnic kin would've got under Uncle Joe.
1 yastru 2018-07-21
Everything you just said is wrong. Thats unfortunate cause you wrote a lot of things. Google Soviet economic miracle. They inherited world war, uneducated peasants and few factories in Skt. Petersburg and Moscow. Now google explicitly Stalin`s policy of collectivization and industrialization and his 5 year plans and results should speak for themselves. Here are results of the first. Areas like capital goods increased 158%, consumer goods increased by 87%, and total industrial output increased by 118% while the workface for both men and women doubled, and literacy increased by massive percentages till he accomplished full employment. It was biggest and most rapid economic improvement in history of the world till Chinas. How the fck can you get more effective then that ? His policies turned SSSR in superpower. That from plough to atomic bomb is absolutely correct, he was fuckd up dictator who murdered millions and turned his country from backwards agrarian one to industrial superpower. How many peasants would starve during that slower manner? Less ? Sure. Significantly less ? Not sure. Besides your point is moot cause you didnt consider Hitler. Oh, and he defeated him. And thing that you probably hate the most is that he couldnt have done it without those explicit economic policies that took so many lives. Acknowledge it or not, reality is reality.
1 yastru 2018-07-21
And speak about Mao and his failure of Great Leap what you want, China during his rule was a improvement to century of humiliation and CONSTANT starvation that came before him.
3 Eztari 2018-07-21
No they didn't you commie fuck. The February Revolution did. The only thing the Bolsheviks did was crush the Russian people's chance for freedom and genuine democracy by instigating the October Revolution, and instituting a system even more brutal and oppressive than anything the tsars ever had.
0 yastru 2018-07-21
And landowners and the rich in the prov.government would institute democracy and freedom ? institute mass education and industrialization ? Defeat Hitler ? Maybe youre right. But maybe youre not and uneducated peasantry would stay that way and suffer more. Dont tell me there is no way that could happen ? Its beside the point anyway cause Marx meant for revolution to happen after we achieved self sufficiency through capitalism to solve the inequality inherent in capitalism were seeing now.
1 Matues49 2018-07-21
TIL Mensheviks = landowners and the rich
1 yastru 2018-07-21
No. Landowners and the rich = Landowners and the rich.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-07-21
Truly, we live in a society. Bottom text, brother!
2 RollBread 2018-07-21
That's racist.
1 yastru 2018-07-21
No u
2 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-07-21
My one joy during a communist revolution will be seeing you shot before me when the revolution eats itself and turns on useful idiots like yourself
1 RollBread 2018-07-21
Unemployed turbo-socialist pseudointellectuals who don't want to work are useful.🤔
There is a connect here.
0 yastru 2018-07-21
It wont be a communist revolution, it will be revolution of the have nots. Were seeing more and more of income inequality. Imagine the end result of it where ridiculously small percentage of people own almost everything and if it changed, and seeing how automatization is advancing, machines they are using for personal profit coulld feed and take care of whole world. Why would you be against revolution then ?
edit; i mean "then" as in, at that hypothetical point in time. hypothetical but increasingly likely.
4 Matues49 2018-07-21
Automatization isn't (and was never meant to) going to lead to world socialism. If anything, it's going to make it even more obsolete. This isn't an Iain M. Banks novel.
0 yastru 2018-07-21
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Why not ? Its unrealisticaly utopian but do you for example, see star trek society as socialist ?
3 Pol_Pots_Crockpot 2018-07-21
Dude they did socialism in Star Trek they can do it in real life
2 Matues49 2018-07-21
The United Federation of Planets is a magic society, with magic technology, aliens and magical space gods and no real basis to any known or workable societal or political model. So yeah, you could case for it closely resembling socialism.
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43 Peetrius 2018-07-21
What level of centrism have we reached?
10 uniqueguy263 2018-07-21
Fun fact: UPS is 53% socialist, and Koch Industries, being entirely owned by its CEOs, is 100% socialist
3 LicenceNo42069 2018-07-21
I'm not sure, but I think that there are definitely a lot of wrong answers on both sides and the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
36 uniqueguy263 2018-07-21
Lol. Just say Marxist
14 mcslibbin 2018-07-21
Marxistic
11 cantsaythat 2018-07-21
Marxtastic
8 General_Insomnia 2018-07-21
Marxapalooza
1 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
Marxtopic
3 NardDogAndy 2018-07-21
Marxorrhea
4 LicenceNo42069 2018-07-21
Marxtian
3 Jrook 2018-07-21
Damn marxicans are buying our jobs
2 grungebot5000 2018-07-21
he’s referring to denizens of the Planet Marx, as seen in Kirby’s Dream Land 3
20 SellingCoach 2018-07-21
Four employees bought the place and probably feel pretty good about themselves right now.
But sooner or later they're gonna disagree about something and it will be a shitshow. It may be next year, or the year after, or five years down the road but it will go to hell.
2 ItWouldBeGrand 2018-07-21
Either way, the story will not be picked up by any major news outlet.
20 DistortedLines 2018-07-21
"Socialism is when workers buy the company they used to work in"
-Marx, Capital Vol 33
3 Zeriell 2018-07-21
"Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill!"
-Marx, Capital Vol 5,389 (pre Nerve-Stapling)
15 MostlyChaoticNeutral 2018-07-21
Not an economist, but my vague memories of the two weeks of economics I had in my 8th grade civics class makes me think that going from working at a business to owning it is more of a capitalism thing.
2 MelissaClick 2018-07-21
Sounds like your 8th grade civics class was shit. The proportion of self-employed does not go up over time in capitalism, it goes down.
Capitalism replaces cottage industry with large-scale industry. That's kind of an important thing to understand.
1 MostlyChaoticNeutral 2018-07-21
The class was actually really comprehensive when it came to civics. Unfortunately the public school curriculum only allowed for two weeks (5 classes on block scheduling) to devote to economics. My teacher did an admirable job with the time he was given, but, like many topics that aren't on state mandated testing, there just wasn't time to learn more than basic definitions and a couple of examples before we had to return to the material that would determine if we passed or failed for the year. I agree that it's important to know, but, in my state at least, economics never comes up in the curriculum again, and by the time I was old enough to realize it was more important than school let on I had less than no interest in figuring out the nitty-gritty of every system, and frankly, I don't think knowing everything about different systems will change my life dramatically enough to make studying them a priority. I know the bare basics, I'm not too proud to admit that there's more I don't know than I do, and I have Google.
13 Yiin 2018-07-21
Free market socialists are just capitalists too proud to recant. Isn't that right /u/StephenSchleis?
2 schoolboystirner 2018-07-21
Leftcoms are smug assholes but they're kind of on the money when it comes to this point.
1 Yiin 2018-07-21
Yeah, I actually like this type of commie, but don't tell them I said that.
2 cat--facts 2018-07-21
Did you know? You check your cats pulse on the inside of the back thigh, where the leg joins to the body. Normal for cats: 110-170 beats per minute.
u/Yiin, you subscribed here.
1 Gil-Gandel 2018-07-21
!meow
1 DistortedLines 2018-07-21
Literally my favorite commies, I can relate to their armchair philosophy being a radical centrist myself.
9 TruthPains 2018-07-21
WTF. that is literal capitalism and they are calling it socialism?
11 ffbtaw 2018-07-21
These people see capitalism as pure evil but this is good so of course it can't be capitalism so it must be socialism.
5 TruthPains 2018-07-21
Yeah, a real pull yourself up by your bootstraps story that dirty commies hate so much.
1 MelissaClick 2018-07-21
Socialists like it because there is no owner separate from the workers. They think that that is a good thing
Why do you think it's good?
8 jaredschaffer27 2018-07-21
1 UmbellateSaxhorn 2018-07-21
Nailed it
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3 UmbellateSaxhorn 2018-07-21
Fuck these businesses that only exist to exploit fish buyers and fish catchers
2 bareballzthebitch 2018-07-21
Not to mention the fish.
3 Chronicopia420 2018-07-21
u/shoepidgeon care to inject your spicy wit into the conversation?
1 Neronoah 2018-07-21
To be fair this is way more socialist than most things that self identify as socialism.
0 alexmikli 2018-07-21
Wouldn't this actually be Syndicalism?
0 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-07-21
That's a cooperative, isn't it?
2 UmbellateSaxhorn 2018-07-21
No. It's a few employees buying a business. The other employees don't gain anything.
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-07-21
Admittedly, I have no idea how many employees there are in that shop. The article doesn't seem to mention it.