You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of adding nothing to the discussion.

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If there is a patriarchy, there isn't a future without it. There isn't a humane form of government that women aren't more dependent on than men. Consider healthcare where women have a higher lifetime cost than men. The only way to offset it is to force women as a class to pay more in taxes. Can you see women getting together and demanding their wages be more garnished? Yeah, me neither.

Men will always be more independent than women and thus "patriarchy." Suck it.

You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of adding nothing to the discussion.

Sounds like thought contagion

Holy shit, this thread is legit insane and makes me grateful that these creeps have 0 power in the world

It's great too because most of the GC types are childfree empowered^tm lesbians, so its pretty much garunteed that their ideas will die with them and they won't be able to influence future generations.

Except half of them probably are teachers.

90% female society.

Nice 90% women competing for 10% men, we will be living like kings. Men win either way.

What about the lesbians?

We elect Mike Pence as head of lesbian affairs

This but unironically. I've always wanted a harem.

The best part is some of them recognized this point, but then thought, "In a non-patriarchal world, things may well be different."

Less bussy

Really. Half of those will be gay.

So, they'll abort most male fetuses?

/u/wprtogh why not just abort most male fetuses? You and you friends can start now.

Ooooh a meta thread! It warms my heart to come back after a month and see how far that bit of hyperbole went. Must've hit a nerve!

Anyway, yes selective abortion is exactly what I was getting at. And compulsory hormone treatments. But genetic engineering could do the trick too.

See, nobody can agree on what the necessary conditions for "dismantle the patriarchy" would be. It's not a well-posed question. I mean, by the classical definition patriarchy is already gone from Western democracies because the law doesn't give men more political power. But that's not a satisfactory answer!

So you also gotta broach the equity-based definition of patriarchy, and critical theories of gender, and a myriad of social construct theories. What can satisfy them all? Nothing short of a complete teardown, wiping out every possible advantage of masculinity. That is the minimal sufficient condition to dismantle every idiosyncratic definition of "patriarchy" out there.

My point was to reflect back that absurdity, but it went to 4chan-levels of drama really quick, which I found hilarious :)

But can you show tits?

Paying for sex, whether in porn or via prostitution is now classed as rape and falls under this umbrella.

paying for porn isn't the same scale as forced non-consensual intercourse.

Creating porn (paying people to have sex) would be considered rape. Not purchasing it.

They seem to be a tad bit out of touch.

Fourth, male crimes against women are classed as hate crimes no matter the circumstances.

And then they wonder why people make fun of them

i know its a fucking retarded right wing meme but these people are literally saying 'we want the good parts/rights of equality without the bad parts/responsibilities'

At what point does "I know its a retarded right wing meme but" become "they were right"?

the reason its a retarded right wing meme is that these posters represent pretty much the sum total of all the people who think like this

these posters represent pretty much the sum total of all the people in the world who think like this.

This is the left wing meme response: "The crazy leftists only exist on the internet." They exist in real life, and they are getting into positions of power. Perhaps they moderate themselves a little bit, but the Dear Colleague letter from the Obama Administration was definitely written by someone in this camp.

This is the left wing meme response: "The crazy leftists only exist on the internet."

He didn't say that, he said those people are an extreme minority.

They exist in real life, and they are getting into positions of power.

Yeah I call bullshit

Perhaps they moderate themselves a little bit, but the Dear Colleague letter from the Obama Administration was definitely written by someone in this camp.

There's a pretty big gap between "we should use preponderance of evidence in college sexual assault cases" vs. "all crime men commit against women is a hate crime"

He didn't say that, he said those people are an extreme minority.

What he said:

these posters represent pretty much the sum total of all the people in the world who think like this.

Sounds like he's saying that these posters are basically it.

Yeah I call bullshit

OK.

There's a pretty big gap

I said that they moderate their views. But what ended up happening was kangaroo courts were set up where it wasn't even "preponderance of evidence," because other parts of the letter indicated that schools must take immediate action and that schools may lose federal funding if students feel discriminated against.

I said that they moderate their views.

So how can we tell when it's just a moderate of what they actually believe instead of just what they actually believe?

You can judge them by their actions, or perhaps inaction. The Dear Colleague letter was written on April 4, 2011 with no further guidance from the Obama administration. Between then and January 20, 2017, there were several instances of overzealous colleges and no clarification from the administration.

Additionally, the Mattress Girl scandal in 2014-2015 also highlighted some of the thinking. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who took Clinton's old Senate seat, called Nungesser a rapist in print on HuffPo despite him being cleared by the preponderance of evidence standard (luckily he had a text message from Sulkowicz saying, "fuck my butt").

Would you believe the same thing about the 12 Nazis at Charlottesville? What if they also had an accepted academic department at every uni?

It is already.

holy fuck they unironically support male genocide

also if you substantially reduce the male population, women are still gonna want sexual partners so isnt that just gonna make 'toxic' male behaviour and unattractive men more accepted by women (the standards are gonna have to go down since you dont have as many men to pick from)

lmao this is literally the future incels want

Yeah, I forget exactly what publication it was, but there was an article a few years back about areas of the country that are now disproportionately female to male, and how in those areas men act with less and less responsibility and investment in individual women, because they can just go find some other easy lay whenever they want.

I'm not remotely surprised. Lack of competition means you don't have to try as hard.

I think you are referring to articles like this one. It's not that the region is tilted female overall, it's that educated women outnumber educated men, and educated women don't want to date someone without a degree.

Trump voters TO THE WALL and damn the consequences.

/u/feminasti you're basically girl Hitler

👏and👏that's👏a👏good👏thing👏

Lol and some people in this very sub say that gc is ok.....

Hey, they may want me dead because of my penis, but at least they are not as insufferable as trannies.

be TERFcel

not being more pathetic than even agendaless incels

Boi wot u smokin rn?

The blobfish is the most pathetic creature that exists, but that does not make it more insufferable than you Ed.

sorry sweaty but #FACTS don't agree with you 😘

TERFs are insane but when put up against trannies they come out looking put together, it's like using spiders to cull mosquitos.

cull me pls bby

Two free tacos every Tuesday.

Hey they do have one good idea

No I hate tacos 🤢

Women no longer take men’s names by default upon marriage. Children no longer take the father’s name by default.

is this a reality in America?

I have the name of my mother. And after my mother married she also only added her Husbands name after her own last name which I opted out of.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a "naming" movement, where new couples choose to go by a new last name as opposed to either of the old ones.

Hot damn, they're a bunch of tubby little Hitlers aren't they?

Hello drama bros, you have the better idea than I did trying to reason with this

/u/boozebabe

Disregarding the three quarters of the things you would do with absolute power are about media, the Bechdel test is an ineffective metric to evaluate movies.

While being an interesting tool to describe a trend in movies of undervaluing female characters, the Bechdel test says nothing of the misogyny of the actual movie. It’s a blunt tool, not a scalpel.

You can write mysoginist movies and still pass it (I have no examples but it wouldn’t be hard) and you can write movies that have nothing to do with women while not being mysoginistic that fail it (e.g. almost the entirety of Asian Cinema).

I love the bachdel test because all my moe anime pass it.

Ume Musume is the greatest feminist piece of our time.

You forgot every single episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer

That's the thing that drives me crazy. The Bechdel Test was never supposed to be an academic or analytical tool at all. It was just a fucking joke in an indie comic strip 30 years ago.

Now that I think about it, I’m sure there’s threesome or orgy porn that passes the test.

/u/boozebabe, any opinion on this?

Producing porn or hiring prostitutes is considered rape and penalized as such.

/u/BoozeBabe

Man anti-porn feminists just say the dumbest things. Producing porn is rape? Film yourself masturbating and you've created porn. That's now rape, I guess. You all really need to come to terms with the fact that people can choose to do things that you wouldn't choose, including reasons they'd fuck someone (i.e. cash).

Creating porn (paying people to have sex) would be considered rape. Not purchasing it.

/u/Newgcthrow

Why does the money somehow make it worse? To quote George Carlin "why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away"? Do you think women lose all agency and ability to decide for themselves when money gets involved?

These are "women" who literally believe ALL women are on the same mental and emotional levels as small children and are so abused, oppressed, and dominated by The Patriarchy that ALL hetero sex is rape because no woman is able to give informed consent to have sex with a man.

They strike me more as people who think "no woman would ever choose to be a prostitute unless it was the only to avoid being homeless and destitute, they all feel degraded and all the johns and pimps know this".

I think there's a mix of political lesbians and fat cat ladies there.

Who am I kidding, they're one in the same.

Here's BoozeBabe's alternative explanation for trans women sex workers:

I mean, men already do rape and murder transwomen, especially with so many of them working in prostitution. Doesn't seem to have to deterred them yet... Victimization is soooo girly, after all, if cat calls are affirming to them maybe rape and murder are the ultimate womanface jackpot.

'Sup drama.

I'll bite. This particular thread was a hypothetical for dismantling the patriarchy quickly. I do disagree with porn and prostitution in our current society (but not on principle). I'm more libertarian than anything (dare I suggest radical centrist?) so I would actually not support laws of that nature. Was just engaging in the hypothetical.

Bussey lmao or whatever it is you say round these parts. Peace.

It's incredible how they male the case against the "women would be more kind and peaceful leaders" while dreaming about how greaf women being leaders would be.

Imagine thinking a female paradise has more women than men in it.

It's tempting to try and create a system that would actively and instantly shatter the patriarchy but the backlash would probably result in failure. So, I'd make some big changes that theoretically should result in a post patriarchal society.

First, absolute reproductive freedom for women.

This is, imo, the foundation. Over the counter birth control. Very lenient abortion laws. No gatekeeping voluntary sterilization.

Second, tax incentives for the first two girl babies for any family. For, let's say, a solid 20 years. We'll figure out a way to either sex fetuses very early or maybe develop a spermicide that weeds out xy sperm? Idk, I'm all powerful, I'll somehow magically pick the right research team.

Third, combating patriarchal gender socialization becomes part of the educational curriculum and work place legislation. Debate classes. Serious self defense classes. No more gendered policies re: presentation (which should make QT happy, too). Everyone gets a form on their 20th birthday that allows for a simple mail in name change, and people are encouraged to create their own surnames if they so desire. End the patriarchal "lines" if they so choose.

Fourth, male crimes against women are classed as hate crimes no matter the circumstances. Paying for sex, whether in porn or via prostitution is now classed as rape and falls under this umbrella.

+1 for eugenics

maybe develop a spermicide that weeds out xy sperm? Idk, I'm all powerful, I'll somehow magically pick the right research team.

lol. "xy sperm". No wonder you need to magically pick a research team when your understanding fails on such a fundamental level.