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But I mean like, they can literally go read the report, the investigation very clearly started before any dossier.
Not only that, but the dossier being oppo research doesn't mean it can't be used in an investigation. Like it's weird watching this guy just constantly lie like this and then watching every day republicans pretend it's normal.
Has there been any other president in history that is this profoundly misinformed and this incapable of telling the truth?
It’s funny. Admittedly, I agree with Trump on most of the important issues. I want limited government, no more military adventurism that doesn’t benefit the country, strong border security, tariffs on other countries’ goods equivalent to what they have on us, indifference about religion and hot-button social issues, etc.
On the other hand, I have absolutely no illusions that Trump is a secret genius, like r/T_D and all the Trump partisans do. It’s pretty clear that he’s probably the dumbest president we’ve had so far, I just agree broadly with his agenda.
I don’t see how that tweet applies to the first part exactly. As for the second part, you shouldn’t confuse bluster and steam for action. Although, frankly I do agree that he is an awful diplomat for the United States. That’s the domain where he can fuck the most things up because it’s done by him personally. I’m still shocked that his babysitters and handlers staff and advisors let him meet one-on-one with world leaders, because he has no idea what he’s doing and is liable to make a terrible deal.
There are around 15,000 troops in Afghanistan right now, maybe three times fewer in Iraq. Not very many in the grand scheme of things. I don’t know what an acceptable timetable would be because I’m not well-informed enough about the military situation there.
I believe there are two things holding the military back from pulling out (heh):
Prior commitments and entanglements made under the previous administration that even Trump wouldn’t risk violating.
Trump taking a laissez-faire approach vis-a-vis the military, which is good because many soldiers felt that the Obama administration tried to micromanage the military too much for political ends, and bad because members of the military, especially Marines, like to jerk each other off and are way too confident in their own prowess (“If we could just send 300,000 more troops to Afghanistan we could finish it once and for all”). In the end, they are just another segment of the inefficient government. Not that I would endorse a McMilitary#8482
That’s hilarious. I do think we ought to have good relations with Russia, but I don’t see why we have to dismantle NATO to do that. I think it was a mistake for countries bordering Russia to be allowed entry to NATO. It was part of an agreement with Russia after the collapse of the USSR that countries sharing a border with Russia wouldn’t be allowed to join (I don’t recall whether that also applies to Kaliningrad).
Gee, I wonder what the NATO website has to say about that? Anyways, as the website itself admits, there were informal agreements, not set in stone, that NATO would not expand into the former Eastern Bloc. That those agreements were violated I blame more on the incompetence and naïveté of Soviet leaders than on the West.
Also, the Founding Act on Mutual Relations promises that no American troops would be stationed in the former Warsaw Pact. This was violated by NATO.
Now there is talk of Ukraine being admitted to NATO, which would be needlessly provocative.
Seriously though, the Cold War ended 30 years ago. Russia lost. Why the fuck would they think they should have any say in what Ukraine decides to do now. Which has more to do with joining the rest of Europe than provoking Russia, who literally nobody gave a fuck about until Putin decided to start pretending his shrivelled military micro-dick is some sort of 12 inch monster.
FFS, calm your tits. How would the US feel if Russia attracted Canada and Mexico into a military pact de facto aimed against the US? Disallowing (or allowing) Ukraine to join NATO has nothing to do with Ukraine's sovereignty, it concerns the West's good faith (or bad faith) in treating with Russia.
By the way, Russian sources aren't always to be maligned, just because they come from that Mordor-like den of absolute evil. If some of the information published by Russian sources that run contrary to the Western mainstream media narrative can be verified by independent sources, then maybe they're worth paying attention to sometimes. Now, it's absolutely true that Western sources are still generally more trustworthy than Russian sources, but for an example of a false narrative constructed by Western media, look no further than the fraudulent White Helmets Organization. Compare Western media and Russian media on this group, and then check each of these against what journalists on the ground have to say about it.
He’s not smart in the traditional sense but he has a certain cunning, and what’s more, he has a lot more flexibility than other politicians. He has said so many things that would torpedo anyone else’s political career and emerged unscathed in the eyes of most Republicans. He also has the ability to employ people who are smarter than him to handle the finer details properly.
I mean that he’s not book-smart, but he does have “street-smarts”, i.e. a sense of intuitive intelligence and the ability to influence and appear charismatic to dumb people.
If we’re going to be honest, he’s still smarter than your average American, which isn’t saying a lot.
Yeah, the dude who grew up being chauffeured around New York is just full of street smarts.
Trump has one MO that kinda works for a C-list celebrity: being seen with other people. That's it. The dude just takes on whatever meeting he can get with whoever he thinks has a vague amount of power and does a whole lot of nothing in a room with them. That time he stole a seat at a charity long enough to be a in a photo is the man to a T. "I'll meet with Kim Jong Un and figure it out from there" is the extent of his political savvy.
Like sure he probably wasn't colluding, but that's because he's too fucking stupid to realize he was meeting with a foreign power attempting to manipulate him much less that he shouldn't do that in the first place. We deserve better than some dumbass fumbling his way through life.
I wouldn’t be too sad to see him kicked out. The benefit I see to his stupidity is that he may be less cynical and calculating than other politicians. Obviously, he’s kind of sleazy, but so are mafiosi, and even they believe in a certain set of principles. I just don’t see him getting bogged down in petty political considerations. The man powers like an icebreaker through controversies and gaffes that would sink anyone else’s career. He can say anything to the public without a thought to how it will affect his standing with anyone and the rest of the administration is forced to go along with it to avoid the appearance of breaking ranks. It’s both scary and liberating.
I think Trump knows he needs the evangelicals and he's going to be willing to court them by giving them a lot of what they want. Starting with choosing Mike Pence as his running mate.
I think Trump is sly without necessarily being clever or wise. Our system is divisive, so not only do we elect someone for their ideas, we also want them to throw the other guys out and undo why they have done. The systems already in place have problems, but they also reflect, in some cases, a hard-won wisdom that I would like new leaders to be able to recognize.
If they're able to eventually scrounge together a story in which something he said is vaguely true, even if it does not even begin to match his original senile claim and it's a ridiculous stretch:
"See he knew it the whole time! Daddy predicts the future and does magic!"
If they're totally unable to verify the veracity of the claims because it's basically in a different universe:
"Hah! Those libtards thought he was actually serious when he lied so hard. Daddy tricked em again! 1000 dimensional chess!"
I once heard that North Koreans believe that Kim Jong Un has magic powers and controls the weather, I think DDF have similar beliefs about Trump.
One Trump supporter informed me, in absolute earnest, that Donald "Micky Ds All Day Wet Day" Trump did not excrete waste product. They said this as a good thing that was somehow a superpower and sign of virility.
I can't believe they finally had to stop saying he was joking and that he misspoke after the NATO summit. They've been running after him and wiping his ass for so long they may as well be nursing home aides
but the dossier being oppo research doesn't mean it can't be used in an investigation
The FBI lied in multiple ways about the dossier.
1) The dossier was leaked to the press, and the corresponding reports were used to corrorborate the dossier.
2) The FBI never identified the dossier as oppo research funded by the hillary campaign
3) The FBI claimed the information contained in the dossier was verified, even though it wasn't
4) The FBI claimed the source of the dossier (steele) was reliable, after they already fired him for being the opposite.
All of this in order to spy on the campaign of the political opposition.
I know that you're a severe sufferer of trump derangement syndrome and completely incapable of empathy, but to the rest of us these indisputable facts are a clear demonstration of unacceptable behavior from Obama's DoJ and FBI.
I'll read a few of the writers at NR, but Andy McCarthy is a total fucking hack. I've met him in person. He has a weird nasal tick—sort of an involuntary mucusy snicker—and wears black orthopedic sneakers with navy suits. He's also a shitty stylist who, like a college freshman, requires a lot of editorial attention to make his prose the least bit passable.
This comment is literally riddled with errors. And I'm going to take this slow because I'm going to enjoy bending you over.
1) The dossier was leaked to the press, and the corresponding reports were used to corrorborate the dossier.
False. The dossier was in the press, but the FBI had used internal sources to verify elements of the dossier. You're repeating debunked lies from the Nunes memo. See fusion GPS testimony, the FBI had used human sources to verify said elements.
“Essentially what [Christopher Steele] told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that—that they—my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point—that they believed Chris’s information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization,” Simpson told the committee.
So that's lie one dismantled, let's keep going.
The FBI never identified the dossier as oppo research funded by the hillary campaign
This, again, is a lie. I'll assume you're talking about the FISA stuff.
Go read the warrant for yourself, the FBI openly revealed the source of the dossier. Had you ever bothered to step out of your bubble and fact check the bullshit spewed by the tangerine moron and his handlers, maybe you would have been able to formulate a real argument.
They used names like "candiate 1" and very clearly detailed the political origin of the dossier.
3) The FBI claimed the information contained in the dossier was verified, even though it wasn't
Can you provide citation showing the FBI didn't use internal sources to verify elements of the dossier?
4) The FBI claimed the source of the dossier (steele) was reliable, after they already fired him for being the opposite.
The FBI believed him to be reliable and they had their own sources, as already proven.
All of this in order to spy on the campaign of the political opposition.
This is again, blatant bullshit. The Trump campaign was not "spied on" the people he decided to hire were under surveillance for being shady criminals.
I know that you're a severe sufferer of trump derangement syndrome and completely incapable of empathy, but to the rest of us these indisputable facts are a clear demonstration of unacceptable behavior from Obama's DoJ and FBI.
Funny, considering you managed to get 0 claims factually correct in this comment and repeated old, debunked talking points from the Nunes memo, almost as if you didn't read the actual warrants when they were released.
but the FBI had used internal sources to verify elements of the dossier.
The dossier was so fucking fake that no media outlet would release it, even though they fucking hate Trump. That's how fake it is. BUZZFEED eventually released it and when they did they said "We tried to verify this but we can't. It's probably 100% fake but uh, we hate Trump so we'll release it anyway".
Multiple elements of the dossier have been openly confirmed, just so you know.
And the FBI, again, had internal sources verifying parts of it:
“Essentially what [Christopher Steele] told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that—that they—my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point—that they believed Chris’s information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization,” So that's lie one dismantled, let's keep going.
The fact that you are referring to it as "debunked" and "lies" when official documentation has confirmed every single paragraph as 100% truth means that you aren't living in reality.
Which to be fair, I already knew. Just wanted to confirm it.
The Nunes memo claimed the FBI didn't reveal political motivation
This is a blatant lie. Go look at the fucking text of the fucking memo for fucks sake. Do a text search for political motivation. Find it? Nope. Congratulations, you're a liar. The exact phrase is "political origins", which is the truth. The Hillary campaign isn't mentioned at all. Do another text search for Hillary to confirm that this is also a statement of truth.
The Nunes memo claims the FBI "verified" the dossier via a media report, the FISA application shows that's a lie.
Another lie. For fucks sake, you know that anyone can read the documents right? There's no reason to accept your delusional removed from reality version of events? It's RIGHT HERE you fucking clown.
I stopped reading because I tend to do that when I'm presented with a wall of text that contains two lies in the first sentences (which you've repeated in this post, which I appreciate) and realized that there would be no need to waste time with the rest of that garbage.
If you're incapable of forming an argument without lying repeatedly, that should clue someone even as dense as yourself as to the quality of that argument.
This is a blatant lie. Go look at the fucking text of the fucking memo for fucks sake. Do a text search for political motivation. Find it? Nope. Congratulations, you're a liar. The exact phrase was "Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaig
You're retarded. The memo tried to imply political motivation was not revealed, but they worded it in a way so as they could save face when the truth was revealed.
The FISA warrant didn't specifically mention the Clinton campaign, it used names like "candiate 1" etc, all that matters is the political source of the dossier was revealed, and it was you illiterate ape.
Another lie. For fucks sake, you know that anyone can read the documents right? There's no reason to accept your delusional version of events? It's RIGHT HERE you fucking clown.
The Nunes memo very clearly tried to imply the FBI had used a media report to verify the dossier, read it yourself you ape.
If you're incapable of forming an argument without lying repeatedly, that should clue someone even as dense as yourself as to the quality of that argument.
Hilarious considering I absolutely demolished you here, so much so that you got downvoted on /r/drama of all places while defending daddy.
Trump strategy is to repeat a lie over and over no matter how much proof is shown to the contrary. If the narrative and people start to side with proof he then changes the narrative slightly and then begins to repeat that. So NO COLLUSION becomes COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL
Is this guy really the best the right can do? Literally nobody on their side of the aisle rises to this level of talent and can serve as an adequate replacement?
You know how peacocks have a bunch of stupid feathers that don’t do anything to show off how healthy they are? Conservatives have the same things with beliefs. It used to be that conservative politicians would say dumb shit, then get elected and only partially do dumb shit. Their voters didn’t like that and need to know that their leaders aren’t just pretending to be idiots to get votes. Trump’s incoherent ramblings are like big, beautiful peacock feathers to conservatives that show he’s just as dumb as them.
It's precisely BECAUSE Trump is so unstable that people like him. They think he's "pushing the envelope" and "not conforming to political norms"...
I still maintain the best thing Trump will do to America will be something he does entirely by accident. He's like the anti-Gordon Brown, actually, in that Gordon Brown kept SOMEHOW fucking up through no fault of his own. I'm convinced Trump will SOMEHOW make some good things happen with absolutely no intent to.
British Prime Minister prior to David Cameron (PM before our current PM, Theresa May). While fairly competent, he seemed to just... Keep having terrible things happen around him. And he utterly lacked any sort of charisma, so he was not particularly popular.
Some law professor argues that the special counsel is a principal officer which means that he has to be appointed to the president and is an unconstitutional usurp of the executive office's power. Only supreme court ruling was in 1988, held 7-1 that a special counsel is constitutional. He saw the segment on Fox once and now repeats it all the time.
Brad Parscale, trumps social media manager, changed it to 17 to rule up the retarded q anon crowd cause whoooooaaa q is the 17th letter it's all connected. It's kind of gross they are trying g to harness boomer mental illness but then again that's the GOP's shtick
Wait I don't get it. If the investigation is phony why does he mention bad people were arrested? Doesn't that literally mean the investigation is real.
You can't really accurately measure the likelihood of impeachment in any meaningful way, and without any public awareness of potential 2020 candidates you can't really gauge anything from present polling. The best you could do to quantify either scenario (impeachment / re-election) would be the betting odds.
Election betting odds currently places the likelihood of Trump being out of office (impeached, resigned etc) at 27%. That feels high to me, but hey, ain't my money. Their odds of Trump being re-elected are at about 39% - that does feel about right to me based on current approval data.
You also have to factor in the enormous possibilty that Doanld Trump will refuse to accept his defeat and forcibly keep serving as president. I think that's honestly one of the most likely outcomes in 2020.
As an aside, here were the biggest upsets of 2016:
CANDIDATE STATE WIN? 1=yes, 0=no
Cruz OK 4.7% 1
Cruz ME 6.4% 1
Sanders MI 8.4% 1
Trump WI General Election 12.5% 1
REP Sen WI General Election - Senate 13.5% 1
Trump USA General Election 20.2% 1
Trump PA General Election 20.6% 1
Sanders IN 22.0% 1
REP Sen PA General Election - Senate 23.0% 1
Trump MI General Election 24.8% 1
Sanders MN 24.9% 1
Leave Brexit 24.9% 1
No one knows whats going to happen. That site just derives data based on what bets are made on a website that Americans cant even legally use. He aint getting impeached, but he is going to sully the name of a lot of people before its over.
It's almost as if we have our own culture and a national spectrum within a world spectrum. Perhaps I wasn't referring to the world view, and more of a national view, since that's what actually relevant.
Trump barely won this election, and there's no goddamn way he's gotten more popular since then, so I'd have to say impeached. That is unless the Dems decide to nominate a literal trash can or something
i honestly think 2004 makes Karl Rove some kind of genius. there wasn’t even any major fuckup on Kerry’s part like with Hillary, the worst he did was throw a ball wrong
Democrats getting the house will be the biggest meme as their going to publicly and often use their subpoena power and Daddy is going to spend every day for the next 2 years flipping his shit.
I think it depends a lot on midterms. If Democrats take a bunch of seats, Republican senators and congressmen are going to get pissed. If that happens I think there will be a civil war between GOP/old school conservatives and the alt/new/whatever right. If that happens, I think Trump's approval will go down while old school conservatives throw Trump under the bus and may even set up opposition in the 2020 primary, and new-rightoids chimp out and lash out more at political correctness/the media/(((normies))), which will cause centrists (glory to them) to be pushed towards a Democratic candidate. If the Dems push through some sensible and palatable legislation with this increased power and political capital, they should be good to go in 2020.
Conversely, if Republicans style on Democrats in the midterms, Democrats will lose a lot of steam. The Dem politicians will frantically try to be down with the kidz (they'll fail) and the voter base will REEEE about the holocaust coming any day now. Rightoids will be fired up to vote Trump 2020, Democrats will struggle to find someone to impress voters enough, Trump gets his two scoops, two terms, two brain cells.
How can you tell the comrades at TD are starting to panic? Instead of sticking some dumb shit about librul tears, the fake news media or how great their orange tard is, they're trying to rally the other autists by sticking fake news articles from zerohedge/gatewaypundit/dailycaller or any other of those journalistic titans known mostly for arguing that Obama was a muslim.
god I love Daddy, he's the best thing for drama that you could imagine in your wildest dreams.
Realistically, there's close to 0% chance he's getting impeached for collusion with the russians. It's such a high threshold to cross, and I doubt the collusion was explicit enough to cross it, and it would be such a political question with far-ranging implications that I doubt even many Dems would support an impeachment on those grounds. I simply don't see a way that the collusion was so explicit, and so far reaching that it comes even close to justifying an impeachment process.
But with every Fox-news fueled Tweet he makes from his west-wing shitter, The chance that he gets cucked for interference in the legal process/investigation rises. Like good old "wild" Bill Clinton whose impeachment process was started over his lying under oath, not for for having Monica play his "Saxophone".
Influencing/interfering in investigations is a huge deal that has massive bi-partisan opposition and strong and clear legal precedent (if not against presidents, of course). Trump is on shaky ground with many republicans already, and partisan rhetoric aside they care about the laws and constitution as much as democrats.
Both parties also know what dangerous precedent it would set if Trump could shut down or influence the Investigation in improper ways, and these are much bigger than the precedent of impeaching a president would set, as much of a nuclear option as that might seem.
I honestly believe that he didn't need help or get that the help people on the left think he got. I believe that there are enough mayos that supported at least one of his running platforms, specially the anti undocumented immigration.
I really think that if there was meddling it was very little. There are retards everywhere, as opposed to what some people in the US would like to think. I'm ideologically opposed to voting. It's a waste of time and money.
Horrible people still keep on winning, narcissistic man/women children get chosen for their sociopathic greed. I'll vote again when there's a reason to vote and I'm not subjected to the tyranny of the majority
Ooooh a vague prognostication! I can't wait to find out what the hammer is! It Clinton going to be indicted??? Or will an Ace Hardware in Dumbsfuck, Kentucky burn down PROVING Q IS REAL???
Obvious bait. No way people think you're not larping as a retard. I've seen dogs with a little more self reflection ( and self respect) than what you pretend to not have.
If you look at Q post #123 he talks about how the strongest man in Hollyweird will be brought to his knees. A few posts later he said "HW/HW watch them burn". Verified. Q had announced that the Whitehouse was negotiating with Kim around the time Trump was calling him rocket man. "It's a show for the MSM". VERIFIED
Lol why wouldnt he say weinstein straight up? When is jfk jr stepping out of the shadows? Can the Chinese step up fentanyl shipments to rural counties so the trash kill themselves off quicker?
Ummmm, he basically did say Weinstein straight up. As straight as you can in the espionage business. There is a very thin line Q has to walk between giving the truth and leaving room for deniability. If he were to ever go in front of Congress and testify he could claim WH meant something else but you and I and millions of other people know what it really means.
Fentanyl isn't shipped here from China anymore, it's made in big pharma labs in the US then smuggled south of the border where it's sold dirt cheap to fund socialist rebels. Then it's cut then brought back into the states where its primarily sold to college grads who work in the hospitality industry because they got a meaningless degree. It's to keep millennials from being red pulled. Notice how conservative the younger generation is, that's because they don't do CIA manufactured drugs.
I can tell your heart is in the right place and you're starting to question things. You have a lot of anger built up inside but you're not sure where to direct it and you're scared people will make fun of you if you outwardly take Q serious. Head to r/greatawakening and you'll find the answers you're looking for and a community that will support you. WWG1WGA
I wish I had the kind of confidence those commenters have. Politics aside, anybody that just "calls" political events like that, especially when the odds are so against a concrete outcome, is stupid.
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1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
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1 orr250mph 2018-08-09
How? tRump's supporters are gullible is how. And the investigation is legal as Manafort found out.
1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
But I mean like, they can literally go read the report, the investigation very clearly started before any dossier.
Not only that, but the dossier being oppo research doesn't mean it can't be used in an investigation. Like it's weird watching this guy just constantly lie like this and then watching every day republicans pretend it's normal.
Has there been any other president in history that is this profoundly misinformed and this incapable of telling the truth?
1 orr250mph 2018-08-09
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1 parameciidae 2018-08-09
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/
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1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
It’s funny. Admittedly, I agree with Trump on most of the important issues. I want limited government, no more military adventurism that doesn’t benefit the country, strong border security, tariffs on other countries’ goods equivalent to what they have on us, indifference about religion and hot-button social issues, etc.
On the other hand, I have absolutely no illusions that Trump is a secret genius, like r/T_D and all the Trump partisans do. It’s pretty clear that he’s probably the dumbest president we’ve had so far, I just agree broadly with his agenda.
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Tbf that falls within the "trump is a tard" realm since he hasn't invaded and his threats are pathetic.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
I don’t see how that tweet applies to the first part exactly. As for the second part, you shouldn’t confuse bluster and steam for action. Although, frankly I do agree that he is an awful diplomat for the United States. That’s the domain where he can fuck the most things up because it’s done by him personally. I’m still shocked that his
babysitters and handlersstaff and advisors let him meet one-on-one with world leaders, because he has no idea what he’s doing and is liable to make a terrible deal.1 Assy-McGee 2018-08-09
what’s an acceptable timetable for pulling out all US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan to you?
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
There are around 15,000 troops in Afghanistan right now, maybe three times fewer in Iraq. Not very many in the grand scheme of things. I don’t know what an acceptable timetable would be because I’m not well-informed enough about the military situation there.
I believe there are two things holding the military back from pulling out (heh):
Prior commitments and entanglements made under the previous administration that even Trump wouldn’t risk violating.
Trump taking a laissez-faire approach vis-a-vis the military, which is good because many soldiers felt that the Obama administration tried to micromanage the military too much for political ends, and bad because members of the military, especially Marines, like to jerk each other off and are way too confident in their own prowess (“If we could just send 300,000 more troops to Afghanistan we could finish it once and for all”). In the end, they are just another segment of the inefficient government. Not that I would endorse a McMilitary#8482
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
Did you see the story today about Bolton getting the latest NATO agreement signed by basically hiding it from his boss?
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
That’s hilarious. I do think we ought to have good relations with Russia, but I don’t see why we have to dismantle NATO to do that. I think it was a mistake for countries bordering Russia to be allowed entry to NATO. It was part of an agreement with Russia after the collapse of the USSR that countries sharing a border with Russia wouldn’t be allowed to join (I don’t recall whether that also applies to Kaliningrad).
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
Well, team Bolton/Pompeo/Mattis just added Macedonia.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-08-09
What? Pretty sure that was never a thing.
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/2014/russia-ukraine-nato-crisis/nato-enlargement-russia/en/index.htm
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
Gee, I wonder what the NATO website has to say about that? Anyways, as the website itself admits, there were informal agreements, not set in stone, that NATO would not expand into the former Eastern Bloc. That those agreements were violated I blame more on the incompetence and naïveté of Soviet leaders than on the West.
Also, the Founding Act on Mutual Relations promises that no American troops would be stationed in the former Warsaw Pact. This was violated by NATO.
Now there is talk of Ukraine being admitted to NATO, which would be needlessly provocative.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-08-09
lol. Parrot more RT propaganda.
Seriously though, the Cold War ended 30 years ago. Russia lost. Why the fuck would they think they should have any say in what Ukraine decides to do now. Which has more to do with joining the rest of Europe than provoking Russia, who literally nobody gave a fuck about until Putin decided to start pretending his shrivelled military micro-dick is some sort of 12 inch monster.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
FFS, calm your tits. How would the US feel if Russia attracted Canada and Mexico into a military pact de facto aimed against the US? Disallowing (or allowing) Ukraine to join NATO has nothing to do with Ukraine's sovereignty, it concerns the West's good faith (or bad faith) in treating with Russia.
By the way, Russian sources aren't always to be maligned, just because they come from that Mordor-like den of absolute evil. If some of the information published by Russian sources that run contrary to the Western mainstream media narrative can be verified by independent sources, then maybe they're worth paying attention to sometimes. Now, it's absolutely true that Western sources are still generally more trustworthy than Russian sources, but for an example of a false narrative constructed by Western media, look no further than the fraudulent White Helmets Organization. Compare Western media and Russian media on this group, and then check each of these against what journalists on the ground have to say about it.
1 Che_Gueporna 2018-08-09
Probably slightly miffed. But i highly doubt we'd decide to invade Toronto.
You wanna know how i know you are parroting Russian propaganda? Because you think anyone outside Russia knows or care who the hell that is.
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-08-09
Being wholly incapable of accomplishing any of that is indistinguishable from not believing it.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
He’s not smart in the traditional sense but he has a certain cunning, and what’s more, he has a lot more flexibility than other politicians. He has said so many things that would torpedo anyone else’s political career and emerged unscathed in the eyes of most Republicans. He also has the ability to employ people who are smarter than him to handle the finer details properly.
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-08-09
Actually listen to yourselves sometime
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
I mean that he’s not book-smart, but he does have “street-smarts”, i.e. a sense of intuitive intelligence and the ability to influence and appear charismatic to dumb people.
If we’re going to be honest, he’s still smarter than your average American, which isn’t saying a lot.
1 banhminobanhyou 2018-08-09
Yeah, the dude who grew up being chauffeured around New York is just full of street smarts.
Trump has one MO that kinda works for a C-list celebrity: being seen with other people. That's it. The dude just takes on whatever meeting he can get with whoever he thinks has a vague amount of power and does a whole lot of nothing in a room with them. That time he stole a seat at a charity long enough to be a in a photo is the man to a T. "I'll meet with Kim Jong Un and figure it out from there" is the extent of his political savvy.
Like sure he probably wasn't colluding, but that's because he's too fucking stupid to realize he was meeting with a foreign power attempting to manipulate him much less that he shouldn't do that in the first place. We deserve better than some dumbass fumbling his way through life.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
I wouldn’t be too sad to see him kicked out. The benefit I see to his stupidity is that he may be less cynical and calculating than other politicians. Obviously, he’s kind of sleazy, but so are mafiosi, and even they believe in a certain set of principles. I just don’t see him getting bogged down in petty political considerations. The man powers like an icebreaker through controversies and gaffes that would sink anyone else’s career. He can say anything to the public without a thought to how it will affect his standing with anyone and the rest of the administration is forced to go along with it to avoid the appearance of breaking ranks. It’s both scary and liberating.
1 parameciidae 2018-08-09
meh. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-evangelical-christian-supporters
I think Trump knows he needs the evangelicals and he's going to be willing to court them by giving them a lot of what they want. Starting with choosing Mike Pence as his running mate.
I think Trump is sly without necessarily being clever or wise. Our system is divisive, so not only do we elect someone for their ideas, we also want them to throw the other guys out and undo why they have done. The systems already in place have problems, but they also reflect, in some cases, a hard-won wisdom that I would like new leaders to be able to recognize.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
Agree 100%
Although he’s obviously not religious he has to throw the Evangelicals a bone every once in a while.
1 high_side 2018-08-09
Whether or not we agree it is nice to see some nuance to a supporter.
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-08-09
Thanks bby
1 shallowm 2018-08-09
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get through elementary school in the US without reading a single book cover-to-cover.
1 parameciidae 2018-08-09
ok, admittedly he probably has read 'Fuzzy Bunny' or a 'choose your own adventure' book.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-08-09
I think you are seriously overestimating the quality of the US education system.
1 shallowm 2018-08-09
Those five-page books with one word on each page still count as books, FYI.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-08-09
But it doesn't count when the teacher reads it out loud to you or when you only flip through it to look at the pretty pictures.
1 shallowm 2018-08-09
A picture is worth a thousand words, so it's like reading 5000 words.
1 watermark02 2018-08-09
If they're able to eventually scrounge together a story in which something he said is vaguely true, even if it does not even begin to match his original senile claim and it's a ridiculous stretch:
"See he knew it the whole time! Daddy predicts the future and does magic!"
If they're totally unable to verify the veracity of the claims because it's basically in a different universe:
"Hah! Those libtards thought he was actually serious when he lied so hard. Daddy tricked em again! 1000 dimensional chess!"
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-08-09
One Trump supporter informed me, in absolute earnest, that Donald "Micky Ds All Day Wet Day" Trump did not excrete waste product. They said this as a good thing that was somehow a superpower and sign of virility.
It was mad.
1 solastsummer 2018-08-09
TBH, sounds like you got trolled epic style.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-08-09
I really don't think so. I've known this person for years and it tracked as something they'd believe.
1 AHealthySenseofDread 2018-08-09
I can't believe they finally had to stop saying he was joking and that he misspoke after the NATO summit. They've been running after him and wiping his ass for so long they may as well be nursing home aides
1 Herbert-West 2018-08-09
But they can't, it's over 250 characters and isn't written in broken English.
1 TheNerdyBoy 2018-08-09
>thinking MAGAts read
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
The FBI lied in multiple ways about the dossier.
1) The dossier was leaked to the press, and the corresponding reports were used to corrorborate the dossier.
2) The FBI never identified the dossier as oppo research funded by the hillary campaign
3) The FBI claimed the information contained in the dossier was verified, even though it wasn't
4) The FBI claimed the source of the dossier (steele) was reliable, after they already fired him for being the opposite.
All of this in order to spy on the campaign of the political opposition.
I know that you're a severe sufferer of trump derangement syndrome and completely incapable of empathy, but to the rest of us these indisputable facts are a clear demonstration of unacceptable behavior from Obama's DoJ and FBI.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-08-09
DDF assemble!
Source for any of your bullshit?
1 Mat_The_49th 2018-08-09
His anus
1 Joeybada33 2018-08-09
Trumps anus you mean
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/
1 trumplethinskins 2018-08-09
You already got shredded by pizzashill of all people so I'll spare you any further embarrassment.
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
Translation: you don't have an argument.
Neither does he.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-08-09
He actually gave you quite the argument and you ran crying to this comment thread instead.
Way to get BTFO.
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
Andy McCarthy, top legal eagle at NR who claims that Bill Ayers ghostwrote Dreams from My Father. That fever-swampdweller is not a source.
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
The new york times hired a racist.
Not a source.
Fun times.
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
I'll read a few of the writers at NR, but Andy McCarthy is a total fucking hack. I've met him in person. He has a weird nasal tick—sort of an involuntary mucusy snicker—and wears black orthopedic sneakers with navy suits. He's also a shitty stylist who, like a college freshman, requires a lot of editorial attention to make his prose the least bit passable.
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
is this pasta or are you for real?
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
Realsies. I used to work at a right-wing mag.
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
cool deal.
1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
This comment is literally riddled with errors. And I'm going to take this slow because I'm going to enjoy bending you over.
False. The dossier was in the press, but the FBI had used internal sources to verify elements of the dossier. You're repeating debunked lies from the Nunes memo. See fusion GPS testimony, the FBI had used human sources to verify said elements.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4345509-Fusion-GPS-Testimony-Transcript.html
https://www.theepochtimes.com/fusion-gps-founder-stands-by-testimony-that-fbi-had-spy-in-trump-campaign_2528350.html
So that's lie one dismantled, let's keep going.
This, again, is a lie. I'll assume you're talking about the FISA stuff.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/fisa-documents-dispel-witch-hunt-claims-from-trump-nunes.html
Go read the warrant for yourself, the FBI openly revealed the source of the dossier. Had you ever bothered to step out of your bubble and fact check the bullshit spewed by the tangerine moron and his handlers, maybe you would have been able to formulate a real argument.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html
They used names like "candiate 1" and very clearly detailed the political origin of the dossier.
Can you provide citation showing the FBI didn't use internal sources to verify elements of the dossier?
The FBI believed him to be reliable and they had their own sources, as already proven.
This is again, blatant bullshit. The Trump campaign was not "spied on" the people he decided to hire were under surveillance for being shady criminals.
Funny, considering you managed to get 0 claims factually correct in this comment and repeated old, debunked talking points from the Nunes memo, almost as if you didn't read the actual warrants when they were released.
1 iamsafeforworkk 2018-08-09
The dossier was so fucking fake that no media outlet would release it, even though they fucking hate Trump. That's how fake it is. BUZZFEED eventually released it and when they did they said "We tried to verify this but we can't. It's probably 100% fake but uh, we hate Trump so we'll release it anyway".
1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
Multiple elements of the dossier have been openly confirmed, just so you know.
And the FBI, again, had internal sources verifying parts of it:
What does this say?
1 Pickled_Kagura 2018-08-09
11 year old edgelord BTFO
1 CSharpApostle 2018-08-09
LITERALLYYYYUUUU
1 high_side 2018-08-09
How do I buy dramacoin for 🍕?
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
Stopped reading here. Every paragraph of the nunes memo was confirmed by the release of the FISA applications.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo
The fact that you are referring to it as "debunked" and "lies" when official documentation has confirmed every single paragraph as 100% truth means that you aren't living in reality.
Which to be fair, I already knew. Just wanted to confirm it.
1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
This is so unhinged it borders on mental illness.
The Nunes memo claimed the FBI didn't reveal political motivation, the FISA application very clearly shows they did.
The Nunes memo claims the FBI "verified" the dossier via a media report, the FISA application shows that's a lie.
If you unironically believe that memo was anything other than debunked, you're either mentally ill or trolling.
1 wow___justwow 2018-08-09
This is a blatant lie. Go look at the fucking text of the fucking memo for fucks sake. Do a text search for political motivation. Find it? Nope. Congratulations, you're a liar. The exact phrase is "political origins", which is the truth. The Hillary campaign isn't mentioned at all. Do another text search for Hillary to confirm that this is also a statement of truth.
Another lie. For fucks sake, you know that anyone can read the documents right? There's no reason to accept your delusional removed from reality version of events? It's RIGHT HERE you fucking clown.
I stopped reading because I tend to do that when I'm presented with a wall of text that contains two lies in the first sentences (which you've repeated in this post, which I appreciate) and realized that there would be no need to waste time with the rest of that garbage.
If you're incapable of forming an argument without lying repeatedly, that should clue someone even as dense as yourself as to the quality of that argument.
1 pizzashill 2018-08-09
You're retarded. The memo tried to imply political motivation was not revealed, but they worded it in a way so as they could save face when the truth was revealed.
The FISA warrant didn't specifically mention the Clinton campaign, it used names like "candiate 1" etc, all that matters is the political source of the dossier was revealed, and it was you illiterate ape.
The Nunes memo very clearly tried to imply the FBI had used a media report to verify the dossier, read it yourself you ape.
Hilarious considering I absolutely demolished you here, so much so that you got downvoted on /r/drama of all places while defending daddy.
1 desolateconstruct 2018-08-09
Not just opposition research, research started by Republicans lol. Its hilarious.
1 TheClassyTrampStamp 2018-08-09
Retarded pathological liars are like that, bro
1 TruthPains 2018-08-09
Trump strategy is to repeat a lie over and over no matter how much proof is shown to the contrary. If the narrative and people start to side with proof he then changes the narrative slightly and then begins to repeat that. So NO COLLUSION becomes COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL
1 duckraul2 2018-08-09
because the real investigation will be won or lost in the court of public opinion vis a vie midterms+2020
1 watermark02 2018-08-09
Is this guy really the best the right can do? Literally nobody on their side of the aisle rises to this level of talent and can serve as an adequate replacement?
1 Mary-Celeste 2018-08-09
Kanye "Slavery don't real" West
1 solastsummer 2018-08-09
You know how peacocks have a bunch of stupid feathers that don’t do anything to show off how healthy they are? Conservatives have the same things with beliefs. It used to be that conservative politicians would say dumb shit, then get elected and only partially do dumb shit. Their voters didn’t like that and need to know that their leaders aren’t just pretending to be idiots to get votes. Trump’s incoherent ramblings are like big, beautiful peacock feathers to conservatives that show he’s just as dumb as them.
1 StezzerLolz 2018-08-09
This is way too real for /r/drama. Fuck off, you're making me depressed.
1 high_side 2018-08-09
And let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that the GOP doesn't know what it's doing. It knows exactly what it's doing.
1 seenten 2018-08-09
1 high_side 2018-08-09
> using [current year] meme in [cu🅱️🅱️ent year]
1 shallowm 2018-08-09
Would you rather have a talented right-winger in power, or a retarded one?
1 charcharmunro 2018-08-09
It's precisely BECAUSE Trump is so unstable that people like him. They think he's "pushing the envelope" and "not conforming to political norms"...
I still maintain the best thing Trump will do to America will be something he does entirely by accident. He's like the anti-Gordon Brown, actually, in that Gordon Brown kept SOMEHOW fucking up through no fault of his own. I'm convinced Trump will SOMEHOW make some good things happen with absolutely no intent to.
1 grungebot5000 2018-08-09
subbed so I remember to look up who gordon Brown is
1 charcharmunro 2018-08-09
British Prime Minister prior to David Cameron (PM before our current PM, Theresa May). While fairly competent, he seemed to just... Keep having terrible things happen around him. And he utterly lacked any sort of charisma, so he was not particularly popular.
1 KittehDragoon 2018-08-09
It's 'vis a vis'.
1 duckraul2 2018-08-09
good catch, autocorrect got the second one
1 Hemingwavy 2018-08-09
Some law professor argues that the special counsel is a principal officer which means that he has to be appointed to the president and is an unconstitutional usurp of the executive office's power. Only supreme court ruling was in 1988, held 7-1 that a special counsel is constitutional. He saw the segment on Fox once and now repeats it all the time.
1 SonyXboxNintendo11 2018-08-09
What is new? Dude will be investigated until he stops being president, than we will be investigate the next dude.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-08-09
Gamers are retarded
1 schoolboystirner 2018-08-09
When did the DDFA gang weed alliance occur?
1 Fading_Joy 2018-08-09
It always existed
1 grungebot5000 2018-08-09
gaymergait
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-08-09
subhanallah
1 kjmiller7 2018-08-09
Here is all the evidence you need that Trumpets are retarded children
1 Poolb0y 2018-08-09
llibtards trolled status: epic style 🇺🇸😎🇺🇸
1 Legion_Profligate 2018-08-09
Being charged of treason and colluding with Russia to own the libs.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-08-09
Where did he find 5 more “Democrats?”
1 Assy-McGee 2018-08-09
alternate jurors. if one of the regs cant continue the courts swaps that one with one of the alternates
1 JumbledFun 2018-08-09
Brad Parscale, trumps social media manager, changed it to 17 to rule up the retarded q anon crowd cause whoooooaaa q is the 17th letter it's all connected. It's kind of gross they are trying g to harness boomer mental illness but then again that's the GOP's shtick
1 seenten 2018-08-09
Doing a good job, clearly
1 random_modnar_5 2018-08-09
Wait I don't get it. If the investigation is phony why does he mention bad people were arrested? Doesn't that literally mean the investigation is real.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-08-09
best👌brain🧠folks☝️!
1 thisguy60 2018-08-09
STABLE GENIUS
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2018-08-09
The leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake
It ain't exactly the first time at saying, absolute, total bullshit.
1 Deal6 2018-08-09
Ok so I asked this in another sub, I will ask here now.
Between Trump being impeached, and Trump winning again in 2020. Which of these two is more likely to happen?
1 AlecOzzyHillPitas 2018-08-09
You can't really accurately measure the likelihood of impeachment in any meaningful way, and without any public awareness of potential 2020 candidates you can't really gauge anything from present polling. The best you could do to quantify either scenario (impeachment / re-election) would be the betting odds.
Election betting odds currently places the likelihood of Trump being out of office (impeached, resigned etc) at 27%. That feels high to me, but hey, ain't my money. Their odds of Trump being re-elected are at about 39% - that does feel about right to me based on current approval data.
1 Kilo_G_looked_up 2018-08-09
You also have to factor in the enormous possibilty that Doanld Trump will refuse to accept his defeat and forcibly keep serving as president. I think that's honestly one of the most likely outcomes in 2020.
1 Watchforbananas 2018-08-09
It would certainly produce the most drama
1 Pepperglue 2018-08-09
Best outcome, then.
1 thisguy60 2018-08-09
I could see him having to be dragged from the White House, kicking and screaming "FAKE NEWS WITCHHUNT"
Or maybe a better approach would be to seal off the Whitehouse and place a bucket of KFC and a coke under one of these and wait an hour.
1 grungebot5000 2018-08-09
well won’t the deep state oust him at that point
1 Ravensthrowit 2018-08-09
No one knows whats going to happen. That site just derives data based on what bets are made on a website that Americans cant even legally use. He aint getting impeached, but he is going to sully the name of a lot of people before its over.
1 PM_Pics_of_your_Nips 2018-08-09
Dwayne Johnson has a .6% chance of winning. I'd take that long shot.
1 charcharmunro 2018-08-09
Basically just put anybody but Hillary in again for 2020. Sanders'll probably take it by a landslide if he runs.
1 PM_Pics_of_your_Nips 2018-08-09
Or you could just put a non controversial decent candidate in who isn't to far left and actually capture the disenfranchised right.
1 deceIIerator 2018-08-09
Ameriburgers are so retarded that they think Hillary/Sanders are far left. They'd be considered centre left everywhere else in the world.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
Ed_McMahon.gif
1 PM_Pics_of_your_Nips 2018-08-09
It's almost as if we have our own culture and a national spectrum within a world spectrum. Perhaps I wasn't referring to the world view, and more of a national view, since that's what actually relevant.
1 Zozbot 2018-08-09
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1 Zozbot 2018-08-09
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1 KokomoOReily 2018-08-09
Trump barely won this election, and there's no goddamn way he's gotten more popular since then, so I'd have to say impeached. That is unless the Dems decide to nominate a literal trash can or something
1 sixty_nine_69 2018-08-09
You can say the same thing about W. He then got the US into two unpopular wars and somehow Kerry and the Democrats still fucked it up.
1 DarthNightnaricus 2018-08-09
That's because John Kerry is about as exciting as stale toast.
1 grungebot5000 2018-08-09
i honestly think 2004 makes Karl Rove some kind of genius. there wasn’t even any major fuckup on Kerry’s part like with Hillary, the worst he did was throw a ball wrong
1 high_side 2018-08-09
He correctly pointed out that if you are a dumbfuck in high school your options are fast food and Iraq.
People who don't understand the implication operator took this giggle the wrong way.
1 preserved_fish 2018-08-09
Those wars weren't yet unpopular in 2004.
1 high_side 2018-08-09
Shit how did you know? Did the DNC get hacked again?
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-08-09
Isnt yezzy running in 2020
1 MayorEmanuel 2018-08-09
Democrats getting the house will be the biggest meme as their going to publicly and often use their subpoena power and Daddy is going to spend every day for the next 2 years flipping his shit.
1 ferretesquire 2018-08-09
I think it depends a lot on midterms. If Democrats take a bunch of seats, Republican senators and congressmen are going to get pissed. If that happens I think there will be a civil war between GOP/old school conservatives and the alt/new/whatever right. If that happens, I think Trump's approval will go down while old school conservatives throw Trump under the bus and may even set up opposition in the 2020 primary, and new-rightoids chimp out and lash out more at political correctness/the media/(((normies))), which will cause centrists (glory to them) to be pushed towards a Democratic candidate. If the Dems push through some sensible and palatable legislation with this increased power and political capital, they should be good to go in 2020.
Conversely, if Republicans style on Democrats in the midterms, Democrats will lose a lot of steam. The Dem politicians will frantically try to be down with the kidz (they'll fail) and the voter base will REEEE about the holocaust coming any day now. Rightoids will be fired up to vote Trump 2020, Democrats will struggle to find someone to impress voters enough, Trump gets his two scoops, two terms, two brain cells.
1 high_side 2018-08-09
Well now I am sad.
1 TruthPains 2018-08-09
The reason Trump won was Hillary, if anyone else ran against Trump he would have lost.
1 ItsSugar 2018-08-09
How can you tell the comrades at TD are starting to panic? Instead of sticking some dumb shit about librul tears, the fake news media or how great their orange tard is, they're trying to rally the other autists by sticking fake news articles from zerohedge/gatewaypundit/dailycaller or any other of those journalistic titans known mostly for arguing that Obama was a muslim.
1 grungebot5000 2018-08-09
they normally do all those things though
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1 MrAlphonzo 2018-08-09
Surely this will be the end of Mueller!
1 high_side 2018-08-09
Mullermphfhfhf is done for this time!
1 marmott-e 2018-08-09
I still wonder why the fuck he keeps that ugly picture of himself ewww
1 22333444455555666666 2018-08-09
right? like Daddy you've had much better hair and skin days. show off your best you 😘
1 constantinople_2053 2018-08-09
god I love Daddy, he's the best thing for drama that you could imagine in your wildest dreams.
Realistically, there's close to 0% chance he's getting impeached for collusion with the russians. It's such a high threshold to cross, and I doubt the collusion was explicit enough to cross it, and it would be such a political question with far-ranging implications that I doubt even many Dems would support an impeachment on those grounds. I simply don't see a way that the collusion was so explicit, and so far reaching that it comes even close to justifying an impeachment process.
But with every Fox-news fueled Tweet he makes from his west-wing shitter, The chance that he gets cucked for interference in the legal process/investigation rises. Like good old "wild" Bill Clinton whose impeachment process was started over his lying under oath, not for for having Monica play his "Saxophone".
Influencing/interfering in investigations is a huge deal that has massive bi-partisan opposition and strong and clear legal precedent (if not against presidents, of course). Trump is on shaky ground with many republicans already, and partisan rhetoric aside they care about the laws and constitution as much as democrats.
Both parties also know what dangerous precedent it would set if Trump could shut down or influence the Investigation in improper ways, and these are much bigger than the precedent of impeaching a president would set, as much of a nuclear option as that might seem.
1 charcharmunro 2018-08-09
Fuck can you imagine Trump going under oath? He'd almost certainly be convicted of lying, he seems to lie like every other sentence.
1 push_ecx_0x00 2018-08-09
Fuck no, lol. House Republicans would never allow impeachment. The only thing it would yield is drama.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-08-09
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a8ab2a4baeae
Two days and 30 times he contradicted himself.
Also he sued over a book he didn't bother reading and had to admit that to the court.
“My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings,” Trump said. “But I try.”
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
I honestly believe that he didn't need help or get that the help people on the left think he got. I believe that there are enough mayos that supported at least one of his running platforms, specially the anti undocumented immigration.
I really think that if there was meddling it was very little. There are retards everywhere, as opposed to what some people in the US would like to think. I'm ideologically opposed to voting. It's a waste of time and money.
Horrible people still keep on winning, narcissistic man/women children get chosen for their sociopathic greed. I'll vote again when there's a reason to vote and I'm not subjected to the tyranny of the majority
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
It's all a show, Mueller is one of us. August is the month the hammer drops, you'll see
1 high_side 2018-08-09
Ooooh a vague prognostication! I can't wait to find out what the hammer is! It Clinton going to be indicted??? Or will an Ace Hardware in Dumbsfuck, Kentucky burn down PROVING Q IS REAL???
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
Q has been right so many times it's hard not to believe him anymore. From Harvey Weistein to NK disarming he's hit the nail on the head numerous times
1 high_side 2018-08-09
So has my astrologer! I'd say they should hook up, but my astrologer thinks larp is for incels.
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
Lol you have an astrologer and you're making fun of Q? At least Q has variable evidence
1 high_side 2018-08-09
A 4chin roll play has verifiable evidence huh?
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
8chan and yes
1 high_side 2018-08-09
😂
1 trumplethinskins 2018-08-09
hahahahahaha, go back.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
Obvious bait. No way people think you're not larping as a retard. I've seen dogs with a little more self reflection ( and self respect) than what you pretend to not have.
1 JumbledFun 2018-08-09
Hes literally not called any of those until they were already public knowledge you dumbfuck inbred
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
If you look at Q post #123 he talks about how the strongest man in Hollyweird will be brought to his knees. A few posts later he said "HW/HW watch them burn". Verified. Q had announced that the Whitehouse was negotiating with Kim around the time Trump was calling him rocket man. "It's a show for the MSM". VERIFIED
1 JumbledFun 2018-08-09
Lol why wouldnt he say weinstein straight up? When is jfk jr stepping out of the shadows? Can the Chinese step up fentanyl shipments to rural counties so the trash kill themselves off quicker?
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
Ummmm, he basically did say Weinstein straight up. As straight as you can in the espionage business. There is a very thin line Q has to walk between giving the truth and leaving room for deniability. If he were to ever go in front of Congress and testify he could claim WH meant something else but you and I and millions of other people know what it really means.
Fentanyl isn't shipped here from China anymore, it's made in big pharma labs in the US then smuggled south of the border where it's sold dirt cheap to fund socialist rebels. Then it's cut then brought back into the states where its primarily sold to college grads who work in the hospitality industry because they got a meaningless degree. It's to keep millennials from being red pulled. Notice how conservative the younger generation is, that's because they don't do CIA manufactured drugs.
I can tell your heart is in the right place and you're starting to question things. You have a lot of anger built up inside but you're not sure where to direct it and you're scared people will make fun of you if you outwardly take Q serious. Head to r/greatawakening and you'll find the answers you're looking for and a community that will support you. WWG1WGA
1 high_side 2018-08-09
We need to mod this fucktard.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
Downvotes are useless. Also downvotes are for losers.
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
I wish I could give you 2 because you're both of those things
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
Ran out of medicine grandpa? You're not going to find it hanging around schizos who are obsessed with pedos.
1 redblaze17 2018-08-09
You want bet on that?
1 TrumpPunksChumps 2018-08-09
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1 high_side 2018-08-09
Oh good they're back to being a satire sub.
1 yunghastati 2018-08-09
I wish I had the kind of confidence those commenters have. Politics aside, anybody that just "calls" political events like that, especially when the odds are so against a concrete outcome, is stupid.
1 lol_te_gusto 2018-08-09
Needs caps now otherwise I don't really think he meant it
1 Hemingwavy 2018-08-09
The reason he uses the phrase so many is because he can't count to two.
1 muck4doo 2018-08-09
Any day now...