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Just tear down the Confederate monuments lmao, they're honoring literal traitors

He has like a hundred posts in unpopularopinion. At least he is in the right place. I get the feeling that every retarded thing that crosses his peabrain could be a pretty good post there.

They’re not really traitors seeing as it was a sectionalist movement.

There's a gilded statue of Sherman in Central park, and he carried out genocide on the natives.

But the natives don't have much of a public relations voice since the North kept the survivors in concentration camps and out of sight, so I guess he's safe.

Calling the Confederates traitors would have been an unpopular opinion up until lately.

It's not even an opinion it's a literal fact. They shot at American troops, fought a war against the US and tried to concede and make their own country. Calling the founding fathers and their army traitors to the British crown would also be accurate.

Is an abused woman who divorces her husband, a traitor. If the contract was broken ( Constitution) and there was justification for leaving.

Did Sherman personally murder your great-great-grandpappy or are you just one of those edgy Southern teens who feels deep ties to a country that only existed for four short years?

Sorry that your state is a legacy to failure :(

Actually I'm in my late 30s. And I believe I have an ancestor who fought for the union army. I have never owned a confederate flag.

I just don't understand the hatred for the south.

Clearly you've never been there Fam

Live whole life in south (generally smaller towns), visited NYC a few times, would love to live there.

Disdain for the confederacy is not the same as disdain for the south.

No it is both, there very rarely a distinction. The idea that the south is broken and must be fixed.

You can hate the Nazis while not hating modern Germany,

Yeah some people do dislike the South but knocking the confederacy isn’t the same as knocking the modern day South.

Actually I'm in my late 30s.

oof

Actually I'm in my late 30s.

How embarrassing for you, nearly over-the-hill and whining about anti-southern bias on /r/drama lol. What a life to live!

I'm not the one vandalizing property. Yet you still attack me.

I support the vandalizing of that property you geriatric goofus. All these decades on earth and still unable to read, alexa play despacito.

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Why do Americans fetishize literal historic traitors and enemies like the Confederacy? Seems absurd

Becuase southerners still hate black people

Nah it's because confederate symbols have been wrapped in the south so that they're generic symbols of rebellion and southern pride.

The Constitution literally condones rising up against tyrannical government. I'm just pointing that out. Implying having that knowledge is fetishising is nonsense.

Read a book.

Freeing the slaves was a tyrannical move from your perspective?

In a moral sense or in the sense of obeying the Constitutional right for state's to self govern?

Those are two very different things. Trying to conflate the two doesn't help anything. It's just retarded virtue signalling.

Are you actually trying to defend the Confederacy with such an argument? The federal government can intervene, and it does in cases where the state sovereignty goes completely against the federation choices and starts damaging the whole country.

The federal government did not intervene until slavery. It was the first instance of this occurring and set a terrible precedent of "we'll violate the Constitution if it benefits us"

Just as a side note the war was mostly don't over money, and the South seceding would have cut resources out of the country so the north declared war.

The north declared war against us own people instead of letting them observe the Constitution. And the South are traitors because?

Apparently because you have a moral problem with slavery, but that doesn't make the South traitors.

Did they lose?

Then they're traitors. That's how it works.

Are you under the impression that the North demanded the South abolish slavery and that's why the South left? Because that isn't remotely what happened, the South freaked out at the election of a president who opposed the spread of slavery because they thought it had to spread and that this would eventually lead to its decline and death even though Lincoln had never given any indication that he would try to abolish it in existing slave states, and didn't have the power to do so even if he wanted to (until the Civil War happened and he could justify the EP as an emergency war measure).

The seceding states made it explicitly clear in their declarations of secession that slavery was their motivating issue, not some broad principle of states' rights, which they only supported when convenient. One of their chief complaints was that the federal government wasn't forcing the Northern states to be less anti-slavery, Southerners thought they had the right to take their slaves to free states and keep them, and their constitution literally made it illegal for any state to abolish slavery.

The slaves weren't freed until after the civil war had already started.

Started by the south, because they were mad about the northerners not liking slavery.

We have always allowed flags and monuments for people we have vanquished on battle. It's part of not agreeing with what someone says but defending their right to say it.

Sure so if a private citizen wanted to make a confederate monument and put it on their lawn they should be allowed to do so.

The monuments that are causing all the protest are publicly owned, and the government shouldn't be endorsing traitors that fought to keep slavery legal.

Using that logic, there should be no monuments to anyone who fought on Mexico's side in the war with Mexico or any of the native Americans who fought against the US government since they were all enemies of the state and eventual losers.

The confederate officials themselves asked for no statues/monuments to their army after their loss. It's fucking absurd to celebrate them

The biggest difference between the American Civil War and the Holocaust is that one of them actually happened.

The civil war didn't happen? Uh

Fun fact: before he was assinated Lincoln was trying to figure out what to do with all the black people once they were free. He actually seriously considered sending them back to Africa.

But the Confederate Statues should all be torn down and stuck in an Atlanta museum to remind them whos boss unironically.