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LOL it's not about the correctness of the origin. It's not even about the lack of diversity in the story. It's about the repeated hyper-sexualized, submissive to White men portrayal of Asian Women. Why is this so hard to understand?
I like how they think a white English woman chose an Asian actress for the part because of a submissive Asian fetish. I’m sure ol’ J.K. had just realized there weren’t any Asians in the movie and pretty much arbitrarily cast this woman as the snake, without any regard for how her race would relate to the part she plays in the movie.
Although I am getting kind of a chub imagining Mommy Rowling dominating Claudia Kim behind the scenes tbh
I like how they think a white English woman chose an Asian actress for the part because of a submissive Asian fetish
Just goes to show how in politics, anything can be twisted and reinterpreted to mean anything. Just like how round-earthers twist photographic and astronomical evidence of a flat earth to falsely claim that the Earth is round.
Furthermore, Nagas and Naginis are generally supposed to be *beneficial spirits who protect treasure and only turn on humans when humans turn on them.
Not always
She's basically vilifying a different culture's guardian angels in order to shoehorn their most superficial aesthetic into her own invented (highly Christian- and Euro-centic) mythos -- a culture that her own culture has a very long history of colonizing and looting. Holy shit, this is awful.
Like this person would give a shit if another culture’s movie vilified, say, Saint George.
made all the worse by then casting a Korean actor to play a character who is now supposedly of Indonesian origin.
But it’s totally cool to depict Norse gods and ancient Greeks as black.
Also, note how "Korean" is not one of the ethnic groups she mentions as being part of Indonesia... unless she thinks Chinese is close enough or something? Ugh ugh UGH.
Like how Hannibal Barca is portrayed by black guys even though he had a Phoenician background?
Although, considering that Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism are all still very much living religious traditions with easily a billion combined believers worldwide, it feels vaguely demeaning and imperialistic to label figures from their semi-shared cosmology as "mythological" -- placing them in the same camp as the largely dead pantheons of the Greco-Roman and Norse religions.
According to a Hindu friend of mine, most Hindus view their deities and the narratives of the Bhagavad Gita as allegorical rather than literal, so it’s patronizing to assume that all Hindus literally believe in snake-human hybrids slithering around and guarding treasure.
Sorry for the KiA-style seriouspost, but I found that comment particularly inspired.
According to a Hindu friend of mine, most Hindus view their deities and the narratives of the Bhagavad Gita as allegorical rather than literal, so it’s patronizing to assume that all Hindus literally believe in snake-human hybrids slithering around and guarding treasure.
"what do you mean i can't just surplant my own experiences with religion and assume it's like christianity(and possibly islam)?!?"
Although, considering that Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism are all still very much living religious traditions with easily a billion combined believers worldwide, it feels vaguely demeaning and imperialistic to label figures from their semi-shared cosmology as "mythological" -- placing them in the same camp as the largely dead pantheons of the Greco-Roman and Norse religions.
Now it's true that Nagas do technically exist in Indonesian tradition, but that's due to pre-Islamic Buddhist influences, so to say that they are a specifically Indonesian concept is not only untrue but it also does a lot to conflate two very different, very distant cultures that just happen to be part of the same giant continent
So, Rowling: this creature is based on Indonesian Nagas.
Pflytrap: No, Nagas are Indian! And they look nothing like your Nagas! Well, technically there are also Indonesian Nagas but, uh, how dare you conflate them with Indian Nagas just because they are on the same giant continent, you bigot!
There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a feminist in the throes of complaining about cultural appropriation. My only regret is that we can't ping them and laugh derisively.
It make zero sense because voldemort not knowing HP could be an horcrux was an important plot point. If Voldemort knew that he could make human horcruxes, everything fall apart.
Anyone who has any stronger reaction to this than "that's cool" is a dumbass, whether they're for it or against it. Lol at giving this much crap about what happens to some work of fiction
BTW, I've stayed away from /r/drama and all other things related to identity politics for a while. For the past few weeks, I only got my news from Reuters and The Flat Earth Society. It's amazing how much dumb identity crap I can miss out on just by not paying attention to them. Perhaps the real world solution to identity politics is utter indifference.
JKs reaction from this will be interesting. Either she'll give in and say casting a POC as a villain who follows an evil white male was a mistake, or she'll say that she chose the actor because she's a good actor and fit the role. If she does that later I'll be so happy to watch a person who donates millions to charity become an enemy in the eyes of SJWs because she used a POC as a villain
Is it more woke to bitch about a Korean actress turning into a snake than a black actress playing the heartless baddie? Is it unwoke to complain about the former while disregarding the latter? Although Native Americans didn't really have a developed educational system, they must have had a proper wizarding school, no? If Dumbledore is gay, why don't we get a sex scene between Jude Law and Johnny Depp?
If you think any of these questions merit discussion, I encourage you to make an appointment at an euthanasia clinic.
wait, you mean the mayo femoid who wrote one of the absolute WORST pieces of trash "books" for other mayo foids to rub them selves raw over doesn't have a great grasp on cultural anthropology?
I wanted to put together a post about this drama but have been too busy/lazy.
Just look at this fucking shitshow of a tweet I really love the comment that says "What if they just happened to decide that the Korean actor fit the role best because of her skills and ability?"
JK's next moves after this will be really interesting for me to see. She can either give in to the indignant people and say it was a mistake to cast a POC as a villain, or double down on pissing them off and just say that the actor they choose fit the role best, and race wasn't supposed to be a part of it.
There is just no way to satisfy them. They will analyze everything into problematic territory at the drop of a hat, even if it promotes values that they believe in.
This is just disgusting and insensitive. Koreans have historically been victims of white colonialism, time and time again. The Finnish Empire's conquest of Korea, the Mayo-gol Empire, British colonial rule, the Japanese occupation (honorary aryans => white). I could go on.
I just can't believe JFK Rowling would do something like this😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
If you can defend casting Johnny Depp in your franchise about overcoming domestic abuse, you can defend anything.
when did johnny depp abuse anyone? if we're talking about that crazy cunt amber heard, lol, the only thing he abused in that relationship is the cupboards he slammed shut when she tried to record him being abusive and failing
I dont get what is wrong with there being a half woman half snake or the villain who is into snakes keeping a snake woman as a pet. That is like criticizing the Joker because he is into clown porn.
That's the other weird thing - they're acting like Rowling is playing condoning the fetishization of Asian women, when in reality it fits in with literally the evilest character in the universe to subjugate another creature.
There is so much autism here I need help sorting through it. I don't know shit about Harry Potter never read or watch any of that it. Correct me if I'm wrong so a snake is actually an Asian lady and retards are angry. Why dont they screech about more diversity?
She’s been trying to retcon and backfill the HP series for years with... mixed results. She’s also said Dumbledore is gay with no textual support and claimed that lycanthropy is a metaphor for AIDS (which is ultra super yikes)
She also wrote that she had been holding onto the secret that Nagini was a “maledictus” – a human who had turned into an animal due to a blood curse – for 20 years.
This is the most ridiculous sentence I have ever read.
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1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-09-28
I like how they think a white English woman chose an Asian actress for the part because of a submissive Asian fetish. I’m sure ol’ J.K. had just realized there weren’t any Asians in the movie and pretty much arbitrarily cast this woman as the snake, without any regard for how her race would relate to the part she plays in the movie.
Although I am getting kind of a chub imagining Mommy Rowling dominating Claudia Kim behind the scenes tbh
1 flaaato 2018-09-28
Just goes to show how in politics, anything can be twisted and reinterpreted to mean anything. Just like how round-earthers twist photographic and astronomical evidence of a flat earth to falsely claim that the Earth is round.
1 bigberthaboy 2018-09-28
Seriously the picture is a circle what more do they need
1 ItsSugar 2018-09-28
https://i.imgur.com/6gRCnAr.gif
1 PM_ME_YA_TATTAS 2018-09-28
Good taste
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-09-28
This just made her death scene in the last book that much hotter
1 freedom2244 2018-09-28
Poor triggered souls getting upset about a magic snake in a poorly written work of fiction.
1 slugulon 2018-09-28
"Why doesn't this children's book talk about slavery?"
1 911roofer 2018-09-28
Wizards like having slaves. Its not complicated. JK Rowling has been pretty explicit that wizards are fucking assholes.
1 TheSaddestPenguin 2018-09-28
The books did talk about slavery. One character was against it, everybody else said “eh, it’s fine.”
1 CommonThroat 2018-09-28
We only pushed to end enslaving whole races in 1993- woke Rowling
1 Zykium 2018-09-28
Also most of the slaves enjoyed being slaves and actively avoided being granted freedom.
JK Rowling is problematic
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-09-28
Hermione Granger was a kinkshamer
sad
1 youcanteatbullets 2018-09-28
It does, actually, that's what S.P.E.W. was about
1 Imperial_Sardaukar 2018-09-28
Not always
Like this person would give a shit if another culture’s movie vilified, say, Saint George.
But it’s totally cool to depict Norse gods and ancient Greeks as black.
Like how Hannibal Barca is portrayed by black guys even though he had a Phoenician background?
According to a Hindu friend of mine, most Hindus view their deities and the narratives of the Bhagavad Gita as allegorical rather than literal, so it’s patronizing to assume that all Hindus literally believe in snake-human hybrids slithering around and guarding treasure.
Sorry for the KiA-style seriouspost, but I found that comment particularly inspired.
1 Jazzeki 2018-09-28
"what do you mean i can't just surplant my own experiences with religion and assume it's like christianity(and possibly islam)?!?"
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1 Tagesausbruch 2018-09-28
Such as Christianity and dragons
1 bubastiscatmummy 2018-09-28
When a dragon burns your village, you'll wish you hadn't dissed Saint George that one time.
1 SageKnows 2018-09-28
Link to the comment?
1 zergling_Lester 2018-09-28
I liked the part
So, Rowling: this creature is based on Indonesian Nagas.
Pflytrap: No, Nagas are Indian! And they look nothing like your Nagas! Well, technically there are also Indonesian Nagas but, uh, how dare you conflate them with Indian Nagas just because they are on the same giant continent, you bigot!
There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a feminist in the throes of complaining about cultural appropriation. My only regret is that we can't ping them and laugh derisively.
1 MooseHeckler 2018-09-28
Phonencian=North african/middle eastern. Barca probably had slightly darker complex though he would not be "black".
1 error404brain 2018-09-28
It make zero sense because voldemort not knowing HP could be an horcrux was an important plot point. If Voldemort knew that he could make human horcruxes, everything fall apart.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1 georgeapg 2018-09-28
Implying that
asianssnake people are human.1 ShaneLarkin 2018-09-28
imagine writing a treatise on eastern mythology as it relates to HARRY POTTER just to justify being mad over nothing
1 jallopsmith 2018-09-28
READ
ANOTHER
BOOK
1 ItsSugar 2018-09-28
Clever comment 👏
1 flaaato 2018-09-28
Anyone who has any stronger reaction to this than "that's cool" is a dumbass, whether they're for it or against it. Lol at giving this much crap about what happens to some work of fiction
BTW, I've stayed away from /r/drama and all other things related to identity politics for a while. For the past few weeks, I only got my news from Reuters and The Flat Earth Society. It's amazing how much dumb identity crap I can miss out on just by not paying attention to them. Perhaps the real world solution to identity politics is utter indifference.
1 Sips_enthusiast 2018-09-28
Imagine reaching adulthood and caring about hp books
1 error404brain 2018-09-28
Delete this nephew.
1 Tyestor 2018-09-28
i love when the left eat their own.
1 virohm 2018-09-28
JKs reaction from this will be interesting. Either she'll give in and say casting a POC as a villain who follows an evil white male was a mistake, or she'll say that she chose the actor because she's a good actor and fit the role. If she does that later I'll be so happy to watch a person who donates millions to charity become an enemy in the eyes of SJWs because she used a POC as a villain
1 Fishofthetunavariety 2018-09-28
🐍 😂👌
1 tdvx 2018-09-28
Yeah this title is beautiful.
1 ItsSugar 2018-09-28
Is it more woke to bitch about a Korean actress turning into a snake than a black actress playing the heartless baddie? Is it unwoke to complain about the former while disregarding the latter? Although Native Americans didn't really have a developed educational system, they must have had a proper wizarding school, no? If Dumbledore is gay, why don't we get a sex scene between Jude Law and Johnny Depp?
If you think any of these questions merit discussion, I encourage you to make an appointment at an euthanasia clinic.
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-09-28
wait, you mean the mayo femoid who wrote one of the absolute WORST pieces of trash "books" for other mayo foids to rub them selves raw over doesn't have a great grasp on cultural anthropology?
REALLY?
1 Ralph-Hinkley 2018-09-28
Someone is salty their sub was quarantined.
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-09-28
Wha? The only two subs I'm active on are this one and squaredcircle
1 FrostBittenSalsa 2018-09-28
Time to settle this is the ring, brothers!
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-09-28
I don't think a ring can contain this heat brother! We need to get a STEEL CAGE!!!
1 MemesOfTheResistance 2018-09-28
WE WUZ SERPENTZ
1 virohm 2018-09-28
I wanted to put together a post about this drama but have been too busy/lazy.
Just look at this fucking shitshow of a tweet I really love the comment that says "What if they just happened to decide that the Korean actor fit the role best because of her skills and ability?"
JK's next moves after this will be really interesting for me to see. She can either give in to the indignant people and say it was a mistake to cast a POC as a villain, or double down on pissing them off and just say that the actor they choose fit the role best, and race wasn't supposed to be a part of it.
1 Alexlincoln2 2018-09-28
Wait nagini isnt a fucking snake?
1 Ralph-Hinkley 2018-09-28
Nagini was a woman born with a curse that turned her into a snake.
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2018-09-28
Why are they so obsessed with race? Who the fuck cares what race an actor is? Stop trying to find deep meaning in fucking Harry Potter.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-09-28
Ghazi are complaining about forced diversity in the media. Now I have seen everything LMAO.
1 Heydammit 2018-09-28
There is just no way to satisfy them. They will analyze everything into problematic territory at the drop of a hat, even if it promotes values that they believe in.
1 aqouta 2018-09-28
Horseshoes aren't sufficient to describe this level of circle.
1 King_Drumpf 2018-09-28
That snakeophobe Rowling should have cast an ACTUAL snake!
1 CommonThroat 2018-09-28
Ewwww sea gussy
1 Tetragrade 2018-09-28
This is just disgusting and insensitive. Koreans have historically been victims of white colonialism, time and time again. The Finnish Empire's conquest of Korea, the Mayo-gol Empire, British colonial rule, the Japanese occupation (honorary aryans => white). I could go on.
I just can't believe JFK Rowling would do something like this😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-09-28
Never forget how Spurdo Sparde I brutality stripped the APM of millions of Koreans.
1 donglegoblins 2018-09-28
Naga please
1 d-amazo 2018-09-28
when did johnny depp abuse anyone? if we're talking about that crazy cunt amber heard, lol, the only thing he abused in that relationship is the cupboards he slammed shut when she tried to record him being abusive and failing
1 Ralph-Hinkley 2018-09-28
Might have abused a few liquor bottles too.
1 Gtyyler 2018-09-28
I dont get what is wrong with there being a half woman half snake or the villain who is into snakes keeping a snake woman as a pet. That is like criticizing the Joker because he is into clown porn.
1 Heydammit 2018-09-28
That's the other weird thing - they're acting like Rowling is playing condoning the fetishization of Asian women, when in reality it fits in with literally the evilest character in the universe to subjugate another creature.
1 nicerredditaccount 2018-09-28
I feel like I can't have been the first one to come up with this but can we call them "chincels"?
1 KingNothing305 2018-09-28
There is so much autism here I need help sorting through it. I don't know shit about Harry Potter never read or watch any of that it. Correct me if I'm wrong so a snake is actually an Asian lady and retards are angry. Why dont they screech about more diversity?
1 WeWuzKANG5 2018-09-28
It's insane to think when people make movies they should have to consider the audiences opinion on such a specific issue.
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2018-09-28
Furries = lycanthropes.
Furries = aids.
The math checks out.
1 OnionBits 2018-09-28
Read a different fucking book
1 carthoris26 2018-09-28
This is the most ridiculous sentence I have ever read.