it was rape. if she didn't want to be there with him then why go to his place? technically she was on and in his property and he could do anything he want. he did the right thing
Just use some Rape-Be-Gone. Guaranteed to get rid of rape and stains off any surface. Perfectly paired with Thot-Be-Gone for the for the added protection.
Not sure if kidding, but it's true. They were both drunk, neither of them asked the other another time. Why is he the one being accused of rape, and not her?
Also, he did not force her to have sex. She said no, then she got drunk and changed her mind. If she did not want to change her mind, perhaps she should not have chosen to continue drinking to the point where her decision making capabilities were impaired?
Oh wait, that would imply putting some sense of responsibility with the woman, who are apparently unable to be responsible human beings.
Why is he the one being accused of rape, and not her?
[she] then outright said 'I don't want to have sex with you'.
we went to my room and had sex - and I definitely used a condom.
In the morning she woke up and started freaking out. It turned out she didn't remember having sex with me and didn't know why she was naked in bed with me. She was visibly scared and asked if we had had sex.
NPR literally had this lady on (she was here on the frontpage before then) who said she went out with a guy, he drank WAY more than her, they went back to his place and started banging (she said its all consensual up to this point). At some point he slips it in her butt, and it hurts really bad and she eventually tells him to stop. He stops at some unknown amount of time after she asked, whether it was 5 seconds, or 5 minutes she didn't say. She is now telling her story of how she was raped and is just getting the courage to talk about it. She admits that she thought he was just too drunk to process when she said "stop" which is why he didn't stop immediately.
If the genders were switched, she would be getting screamed down as a rapist.
cops have real stuff to respond to as far as i can tell
even if a real life woman went into the cop station and said omg i slept with someone after they bought me drinks pls go arrest them i dont think theyd be interested
Man this makes no sense. If I say to a girl "I dont want ti fuck right now" and she teases me, I get horny and we have sex, was I raped? Of course not. Consent actualizes constantly.
If I got so horny I didnt have any judgement whatsoever then maybe yeah that is the case. So the question is if in OP case she was in this beyond blackout state
idk if "on accident" is the right phrase, but people have different definitions of it. If you use the one the OP did then it was mutual because they were both drunk. Freshman year of uni we had to do an online thing to be able to register for classes that said the same thing (meaning most people i know are rapists...)
This obviously bullshit story raises a question I've had for a while now. If two equally sized people drink an equal amount of alcohol and end up having sex while plastered, who raped whom?
Yes I know, powerless womyn are incapable of rape, but I'd like something other than the nonsensical radfem hot take.
If they are Americans students, then the one who makes a title IX complaint is officially the victim. That's the rules and there's a googleable precedent of it being used successfully by a guy but I'm on the phone.
/r/drama is balance, bussy is not but 1 thing. but a unique casm of many, only through mastery and balance, can we attain enlightenment, and fullfillment.
also depends on gender, race, body type, alcohol tolerance, what you've been eating during the day, etc. If two people end up exactly the same amount of drunk though idk. The whole thing is dumb anyway.
lol what's going there? Did I miss something obvious? He literally said he first stopped, then he got drunk, so they were both drunk, and then they had sex. But he is the rapist and the mod there says "for anyone who may be now realizing they were victimized the way that OP victimized this woman." What am I missing here?
She told him while they were sober that she didn't want to fuck then this asshole got her hammered to lower her inhibitions. He can lie all he wants and say he didnt get her drunk on purpose but we know that's bullshit. The story is probably fake but either the way the situation is rape
I'm honestly pretty into equality and some aspects of social justice warrior dogma but how is it rape if she said eariler she didn't want to fuck? Are people incapable of changing their minds?
Why is alcohol some evil elixir that obviously makes women unable to make any decisions? This is like when idiots cheat on their spouses and blame I was drunk it doesn't count!!
Drunk people can consent and make decisions. It's not the OPs fault that the girl is an idiot who regrets it.
I'm 100% open to being wrong. But I guess I'm a serial rapist because when I was younger male going to a bar and getting drunk and talking to other drunk people and fucking them was what everyone did every weekend .
She wasn't just slightly drunk and still able to consent. She was completely blackout and didn't remember having sex which means she was too drunk to consciously consent. He was obviously not blackout and intentionally chose to have sex with her, making him the rapist.
Being drunk isn't an invitation to have sex. She said no before she got more drunk and he should've respected that decision. But instead he wanted to fuck her so he kept asking until she was too drunk to say no and took that as a yes.
She said no before but then got drunk and changed her mind? How is this rape?
As a male I didn't want to have sex with women before when sober but I got drunk and realized I was being shallow or petty and then proceeded to have sex with them. Am I a rape victim now because I changed my mind while drunk? Alcohol doesn't turn people into beings that suddenly have no agency and decision making abilities.
Ive regretted it when I woke up too. Doesn't make it rape. Makes it a messy grey area which is why you don't get drunk in a bed with men you barely know you've kissed before. I understand this is seemingly becoming close to victim blaming (I don't mean too) but at a certain point you have to be like make better decisions about the environments you put yourself in.
Her going over to his house is not an invitation to sex either. How hard it it to just wait until the person you want to sleep with is not absolutely wasted? She didn't consciously change her mind after a few more drinks, she ended up blackout after a few more drinks and he took advantage of the fact that she didn't know what was going on. The difference is based on how drunk a person is. I'm not one of those idiots who thinks any alcohol = rape. Just that so much alcohol that you can't remember what happened at all while the other person remembers everything = rape.
Just looking at memory loss/blacking out isn't a very good standard though. Blacking out is weird, and has to do with past alcohol use, how quickly you drank the alcohol, nutrition levels, exhaustion, genetics, and a bunch of other stuff. Alcoholics specifically are suuuuuper prone to black outs and can seem damn near sober and have functioning very short term memory ( <5 min ) but complete memory loss for anything longer ago than that.
Looking purely at what that guy said, I do think it's possible for him to have been damn near as drunk (or even more drunk) than her. Though I'd say it's probably more likely that she was indeed more drunk than him.
That's a bold statement, if a man is super duper drunk, has sex with a girl, also super duper drunk, he previously said no to. When they wake up she doesn't remember anything because she was blackout drunk, but the man remembers. does that mean that she was raped?
I got drunk and realized I was being shallow or petty and then proceeded to have sex with them
These are people that had tried to hook up with you before and you'd explicitly turned them down? As in they knew for sure that you didn't want to fuck?
More or less. Just chicks I turned down at clubs for a quick bone in the alley or something. Usually at the end of the night I was super drunk and they approached me again and I didn't care. Wow surprise, alcohol makes ugly people attractive.
Sounds like "less" if you're talking about people you just met at a party/club. You didn't know those people and they didn't know you (which is asking for all different kinds of trouble if you're fucking people you don't know, but that's another conversation). This girl apparently knew and trusted the guy well enough to go to his house sober and then get drunk with him. He took advantage of that trust and had sex with her when he knew that she'd explicitly turned him down on other occasions. Why defend that?
Lol. How much of an ugly basement dweller are you? Bars/clubs/shows across the world every night are filled with strangers fucking each other and going home with each other. It's fairly normal when you're young and passably attractive.
Now that we've got that out of the way. I'm not really defending what he did. My body count is in the triple digits before I got married and I can only have sex with a girl if she explicitly said she wants to and enjoys it. What that OP was a creepy grey area. I wouldn't ever do that.
Stalk me if you really care, this profile is real old and I'm not super careful.
Bars/clubs/shows across the world every night are filled with strangers fucking each other and going home with each other. It's fairly normal when you're young and passably attractive.
So... you're denying that sleeping with strangers is risky? Because that's all I said.
Now that we've got that out of the way, you seem very intent on debating the rapiness of abusing the trust of someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, and taking advantage of them when you know that their judgment is impaired. Why would an upstanding, thoughtful guy like yourself be so interested in that?
I'm curious what you think "real rape" is. If a woman doesn't physically resist, is that not "real rape" to you?
And no, statistically fucking strangers isn't dangerous as pearl clutching weirdos like you think it is.
So you're saying it isn't risky at all? Because that's all I said- it's risky. It's a real simple, non-controversial point. Why'd it trigger you so much?
And no, I'm not going to stalk your profile because it has nothing to with the current argument.
No, you'll just write out the stuff you assume about me cuz that's totes relevz.
Well there wasn't a single no at all in the post we were talking about besides days prior. Sorry you treat women like this. I have a feeling you might be alone.
So... you're denying that sleeping with strangers is risky?
.... yes?
debating the rapiness
Stop with this bullshit. Is either rape or not. He might be guilty of being a huge fucking cunt, but in this particular caze is only and only rape if she was so drunk she had no idea what was going on, she was so drunk she didnt know who she was, who he was and where they were and what sex was. You can be blackout and still be able to know those things
No risks whatsoever. Just want to make sure we're clear on that one.
in this particular caze is only and only rape if she was so drunk she had no idea what was going on, she was so drunk she didnt know who she was, who he was and where they were and what sex was.
That's very specific. So you're saying that if she was so drunk that she didn't know who he was, where they were and what sex was, but *did* still know her own name, it can't be rape. Case closed then. We did it r/drama!
You know what I mean. Those are some signs that someone is unable of judging. Again, I am quoting the law. Is not enoigh for someone to have impaired judgement to consider it non-consensual
If I'm on a diet and I tell my friend not to let me eat any junk food that night, we go out to the bars and get hammered, and drunkenly demolish a pizza afterwards, did he allow me to get pizza-raped? I specifically said in advance I did not want to eat any unhealthy food that night.
Blackout doesn't mean non-functional. People can be perfectly functional and consent to sex during blackouts. She is responsible for her sluttiness while hammered just like she would be responsible if she drove while blackout drunk.
How is the standard "being functional?" Passed out people are still functional too since they're breathing and not dead yet having sex with them is definitely rape.
Functional means ambulatory and able to communicate properly. You can do that while blacked out. Like I said, I've been to entire parties, made new friends and fucked while completely blacked out. But unlike women, I'm held responsible for my actions while drunk like a fucking adult. Also, no one is talking about anyone being passed out so GTFO with that bullshit.
You legit come across as someone who has never consumed alcohol to excess or known anyone who has. Which in itself is fine (if lame and gay) except you're trying to take some weird internet moral high ground here. I and plenty of other people have had nights where a lot of alcohol was consumed, I was perfectly lucid and conversational (if not 100% crisp) the entire night, and yet the next morning could not remember bits and pieces to sometimes entire hours of the night before eventually falling asleep. Not everyone handles alcohol exactly the same.
OP says(makes up) she has no recollection of it,while he states he had memory of what happened that night. Plus being drunk isn't a binary switch, there are levels of drunkenness, the girl was quite hammered from whereas OP had control over his cognitive functions(he claims that in the post then tries to back peddle in the comments) .
Also while you can change your mind , she didn't wanted to have sex with him while sober, she was shocked when she found out that she had sex with him right next morning and she only had sex with him so hammered that she doesn't recall the incident , seems a but rapey to me.
Whether you can consent drunk or not depends solely on how drunk you are. Most things in this story points towards this woman not being able to consent. Having no memories of the previous night is usually a good indicator that the person wasn't able to consent.
So knowingly consuming substances that makes you lower your inhibitions and making mistakes is rape now? Why would she drink that much and put herself into that position knowingly?
Obviously if she was passed out and the dude fucked her that's rape.
I just fail to see how drunk consent is seen as lesser.
As I said, depends solely on how drunk you are. And her reasons for getting drunk has no relevance to the rape question.
You already recognize that passed out drunk fucking is rape, so you clearly have a line where you draw a valid intoxicated consent from an invalid intoxicated consent.
What if a person is so drunk that he or she have absolutely no idea of what's going on (usually when you wake up with no memory of the previous night), but is still conscious in the sense that they react somewhat to their surroundings. If you start having sex with a person in this state (they haven't actually said they want to have sex, but they don't really stop you when you try (because they're fucking hammered and have no idea what's going on)), is this rape?
I'm honestly pretty into equality and some aspects of social justice warrior dogma but how is it rape if she said eariler she didn't want to fuck? Are people incapable of changing their minds?
People are capable of that but if someone emphatically says no the 1st time trying later when they're waaaay more drunk is fucked. He said in his post that they'd been on a couple dates and he thought she wasn't really into him then on top of that she said no earlier that night. That's some creepy, rapist shit to try again.
Why is alcohol some evil elixir that obviously makes women unable to make any decisions? This is like when idiots cheat on their spouses and blame I was drunk it doesn't count!!
It's not the same at all. It's about his intent. If she hadn't said no earlier and he wasn't under the assumption that she wasn't into him then I wouldn't think it was rape. This guy is a fucking creep.
Drunk people can consent and make decisions. It's not the OPs fault that the girl is an idiot who regrets it.
She was blacked out and already stated that she didnt want to sleep with him. For all we know, she was barely coherent
I'm 100% open to being wrong. But I guess I'm a serial rapist because when I was younger male going to a bar and getting drunk and talking to other drunk people and fucking them was what everyone did every weekend
Again, its the intent and the details that he admitted to that makes this bad. If she had not said no then it would be a different story. If before bringing a bottle of liquor to the bedroom he had said "if you stay in my room, we're fucking" and she stayed it would be different.
we only have his side, but the way he puts it they watched something in the living room he brought out more booze (he could have asked if she wanted more or she could have asked for more, we don't know), that they both drank equal amounts, according to him we can't really know, and then when both were drunk enough they took it to the bedroom.
That narrative could be wrong, but that narrative to me just sounds like two drunk people doing something they will regret, not planned rape.
Keep in mind this most likely didnt really happen and he edited it again saying that now he remembers just before they had sex that he reminded her that she said no earlier and that she emphatically said she was now DTF...so hypothetically, no I wouldn't call that rape. In reality that bitch is crazy and nothing but trouble and the guy making the bait post is a creep
I really think it is because at 1 point he says he remembers everything after earlier saying he didnt know what happened when they started hooking up then he came back with an edit saying "I remember now, she was asking for it"
I never said this shit wasn't creepy. I don't think it's bonafide rape though. Pretty much everything in the original OP I'd never do myself personally.
Unlike most of the people who replied to me you've made a decent argument for what he did being creepy (I agree) but rape maybe not so much.
If a case went like this went to trial ( they occasionally do) any half decent lawyer is going to tear the woman apart with similar arguments that have been made in this thread and the dude is never going to be convicted of rape.
It was his intent to take advantage of her after she was blacked out. If she had not stated earlier un the night that she didnt want to fuck him then it would be a non issue, but she did
No, someone sober enough to remember everything, who fucks a blacked out person who hours earlier stated they dont want to fuck is a rapist. Same goes for contracts. If you enter into a contract with someone you know is inebriated it will probably be voided if that person takes you to court...especially if you're the person who got them drunk.
You see the phrase "on purpose"(synonyms deliberately or intentionally) doesn't mean being forced to do something against your wishes, you can tell a person 'A'(who has full control of their actions) a to shout a word or maybe light a firecracker to trigger PTSD in a person 'B'(when 'A' has no idea about B's condition) and you'd(not A) have done that "on purpose".
Similarly when non retards talk about the lady being drunk on purpose it's not in reference to her drinking alcohol , it's with his intention of getting lucky while she drinks and he still has control over his mental faculties(or even just the "intention" of getting laid).
i know it sounded clever in your head , but you should keep in mind that you're not a smart person.
Also what was your initial argument? she chose to drank so it's fine to rape her?
This is the weirdest mismatch of beliefs in feminism. Feminism calls for equal treatment of women while simultaneously saying women lose all agency in a scenario when both actors are drinking. How can that ever be considered equal treatment? She went to his apartment, snuggled and cuddled him, kissed him, got drunk with him, she chose how much she wanted to drink... and suddenly this is rape because she didn't consent. But what about his consent? Where's the equal consideration of agency for both parties?
Is the bitch not responsible for her own actions? He didn't shove the alcohol down her throat against her will. It's not his fault she turns into a slut after a few drinks.
It's rape if she was blackout too. Seriously it's not that hard to figure out that a few drinks = ok to fuck. So many drinks they can't stand up/hold a coherent conversation/are unconscious = do not fuck.
Functional isn't the same as being able to consent. Have you ever been outside to see the difference between someone who is a little drunk and still able to consent to things and the person who is clearly too fucked up to know what's happening?
Functional isn't the same as being able to consent.
Yes it is. I don't care how drunk you are, you are responsible for your own actions. He didn't fuck her while she was passed out, she was fucking him right back, therefore, not rape.
I think we read different posts since it never said she threw himself at him. In fact she said no but that doesn't matter to rapists and rape apologists.
she actually told me that she changed her mind and she did want to have sex with me just before we had sex. Basically she started kissing me and I was all like 'are you sure? You just said you didn't want to have sex with me!' and then she said 'I've changed my mind' and then we had sex
He added that in an edit after I read it. The guy keeps editing his story to change the details as people criticize him. In the first version he never asked again after the first no and took her inability to answer later as a yes.
But since all you have to go on is his recollection, what do you propose? And of course he didn't ask later if the intercourse was initiated from the other side.
A blackout is a memory problem (things don't get "written" to long-term memory), not a thinking/walking/talking/canoodling problem. And there's no objective way for anyone to know whether someone else is currently in a blackout. Even the person having the blackout may not realize it because short-term memory is working just fine. See, e.g., the Sarah Hepola book Blackout.
How do you know if somone is blackout drunk? Especially if youre on the verge of that and wasted yourself? Is the standard for the rapist always men if drinks are involved? Apparantly if youre drunk, you cannot consent, so then if both are drunk, then neither can consent. Or is it whoever is less drunk is the rapist? What if she was the one who pushed the liquor into the night?
Guy wants sex. Girl does not. They both decide to drink and watch 21st century ADHD millennial bullshit. They're both drunk. Guy still wants sex, and now the girl does too. They have sex. Girl wakes up and regrets it. The man does not.
How is this rape? I'd understand it if the man didn't drink, but both of them did in this case. Let's assume they're both equally drunk; the girl is so drunk that she can't remember what her sober decision was. How is it logical to expect the man to remember & respect her sober decision, given she (who's as drunk as him) can't?
You could argue that it's unethical what the man did, but how is this rape
Because she was drunk a lot of people seem to think it was rape. Did he force her to drink so much? A much easier way to stop women from regretting having sex than branding it "RAPE!!!1" is for women to just not drink to the point where they "can not consent".
I really don't see how it's the guy's responsiblity to try to mind-read the woman and try to judge how drunk she is. IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO GET SO DRUNK AS TO NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE PROPER DECISIONS ON WETHER SHE WANTS TO BANG OR NOT.
I guessed you would reply with something like this.
I'm obviously talking about consent. I made an example to show you why it doesn't matter what the person says. If a person legally can't consent, the person legally can't consent.
The problem is they weren't equally drunk. If they are equally drunk, it's pretty much impossible to say who raped who. He was clearly less drunk than her in this situation though.
How can you tell he was less drunk though. I admit it's also impossible to tell if they were equally drunk (or if the male was more drunk), but from the OP's post alone I think it's unclear to clearly say it was rape or not.
You make sense but I wouldn't hold "he remembers having sex" against him. Some people remember most of the shit they did regardless of how drunk they were.
Yeah you're an ass. You're making the assumption purely because of her gender that she was drunker than him. Having blacked out for a period does not mean she was "obviously" more intoxicated than him, however you jump to that assumption because I don't know. Misandry probably.
From his narrative that definitely isn't bait it is clear she was drunker. And thanks for recognizing my misandry I am quite proud of it 💖 Remember all men are rapists!
More empty sarcasm. This is most often done by people who can't hold a meaningful discussion. I'm sure you think you're clever, but it's indicative of a superiority complex. Which is odd because all you're doing is writing "clever" retorts on your keyboard.
In the morning she woke up and started freaking out. It turned out she didn't remember having sex with me and didn't know why she was naked in bed with me.
I told her the truth, that it was consensual the whole way through and she was visibly enjoying it
One of these people remembers having sex and it isn't the girl
Yeh, but I disagree thag being able to remenber or not is a decent indicator of intoxication. I also disagree that he should be completely blameworthy while she is blameless just because he was a bit less drunk.
I would only call this rape if she was so gone shr didnt know where she was, who she was and so on and he wasnt in the same state. If that happened then sure, rape
Women are actual children. This is why they cannot be trusted with their own decisions while drunk, and why men are still expected to be prudent decisionmakers regardless of how drunk they are.
Right, so if someone is 90% drunk and the other 80% drunk and they both have sex one is a rapist and should go to jail and the other is completely blameless?
It's literally not rape, not morally and definitely not legally. If she went to the cops they'd tell her slut ass to go home and not bother them with bullshit.
I met this girl a couple of weeks back in a pub. She's really cute and I thought we were hitting it off really well. We kissed that night, and I got her number. We met up on nights out a couple of times after that, but she never seemed like she was into me so much, as if the kiss was just a bit of fun. Honestly I didn't mind, I wasn't after anything serious and she was still a lot of fun to be around.
He friends told me she is just a really flirty person and is like that with everybody. Anyway, the second time I kissed her we were at a bar, and when we left she stayed at my flat because it was late and my flat was a lot closer.
I tried to make a move again when she was in my flat but she pulled away and then outright said 'I don't want to have sex with you'. So we just snuggled up together and watched cartoons on netflix. I brought out some alcohol from the kitchen and we kept drinking - honestly I wasn't trying to get her drunk, but we both did get really drunk. And I don't really know how it happened, but we were both kissing each other again, and then we went to my room and had sex - and I definitely used a condom.
In the morning she woke up and started freaking out. It turned out she didn't remember having sex with me and didn't know why she was naked in bed with me. She was visibly scared and asked if we had had sex. I said we had and she got really angry, saying that I should not have taken advantage of her when she was drunk. It turns out she only had sex with people after they have an std test but I didn't know that, and I assured her that we used a condom because unlike her I remembered the night.
I told her the truth, that it was consensual the whole way through and she was visibly enjoying it, but this just made her even more mad and she just left and won't talk to me again. I'm sure she's told all her friends I raped her, but as far as I know she hasn't gone to the police.
I spoke with one of my close friends about it, expecting her to understand, but she said what I did WAS rape, even if I didn't realise it at the time. She said she knew I didn't mean any harm, but I should have known better. I know she never outright verbally consented to having sex with me - in fact she said the exact opposite - but the fact that she did eventually choose to have sex with me, despite being drunk, surely means this wasn't rape?
I'm really stressed out about the whole matter and I hope the police don't get involved. And I know she must have been freaked out to wake up naked in bed with me, but I honestly don't think I did anything wrong!
The OP linked to other people's social media accounts to deflect all of the hate he rightfully deserves. Message the user, not innocent people's social media accounts..
Thank god for the sensible comments here, I was reading the original thread and losing my mind at 100s mindless drones who think this was rape.
Honestly, if if this happened as described, and they were both drunk as fuck, then how is it that you in one breath claim she was too drunk to make an informed decision, but then do a complete 180 and say the guy’s drunkenness was no excuse for not realizing that the girl was too drunk to be allowed to change her mind about sleeping with him.
Getting so drunk that you sleep with someone you don’t want to sleep with is irresponsible and stupid. Don’t do it, ever, unless you accept the risks of what you might choose to do in that state. You can’t blame others for your impaired decisions if you choose to be impaired.
This is the difference between being a child and an adult. Adults are responsible for their actions.
Apparently, women are fucking children and cannot take responsibility for their own decisions according to retard feminists. Yet they also want to claim they are strong, independent wymyns. Those two positions obviously contradict each other and you have to be a fucking idiot to believe both at the same time.
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1 GandalftheChromatic 2018-10-03
I'm starting to think the average redditor can only get laid by either getting steamrolled by some feminist whale or by rape
1 Think_Once 2018-10-03
The fate of incels.
1 nanapirahna 2018-10-03
And their supporters, man, those 17 year olds defending him actually think that kind of shit is ok!
1 better_bot 2018-10-03
It's over for moralcels.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2018-10-03
Wrong. There's also the nerd version of "prison gay". This is particularly visible within the furry community.
1 Fr33_Lax 2018-10-03
It's not gay if you never take off the mask and make the other guy wear a dress.
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-10-03
But then you need to be a big guy
1 Fr33_Lax 2018-10-03
Big is a state of mind, chin up, shoulders back, look him in the eye, and grab him by the dick.
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-10-03
But first of all, never taking off the mask
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-10-03
Because it would be painful?
1 wisty 2018-10-03
The foxhole loophole?
1 iansmith223 2018-10-03
Global rule No.1
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2018-10-03
This guy lurks
1 Toisty 2018-10-03
Remember me, Eddy?
1 Barkasia 2018-10-03
Tfw no Ahab Express to take my virginity 😭
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
fucking drunk people isnt rape lol
1 sodomcel 2018-10-03
it was rape. if she didn't want to be there with him then why go to his place? technically she was on and in his property and he could do anything he want. he did the right thing
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-03
Friendly reminder to not rape people
1 HINDBRAIN 2018-10-03
If you're raping someone right now, stop. Apologize. And leave. Go, and rape no more.
1 iVirtue 2018-10-03
Just use some Rape-Be-Gone. Guaranteed to get rid of rape and stains off any surface. Perfectly paired with Thot-Be-Gone for the for the added protection.
1 NeededToFilterSubs 2018-10-03
Kys you kink-shaming fash
1 sweetb00bs 2018-10-03
1 Momruepari 2018-10-03
literally die. you're not funny
1 AnalAssassin6969 2018-10-03
but i wana!
1 QinEmperor 2018-10-03
1 slugulon 2018-10-03
really activates the almonds.
This story sounds like bullshit anyway tho
1 wewladin 2018-10-03
Hell remember that troll that posted here that he was trolling various relationship subs? It was posted in spring sometime here. I should dig it up
Most of these read like a bored office worker wanting to fuck with internet strangers for “the luls”
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
That was autism taken to a new level. Guy could spend entire day making up different stories on different accounts.
1 wewladin 2018-10-03
When i had an easy job as lab supervisor in college I could see myself doing that now
Instead i just watched twitch streams like a gamer fag
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-10-03
She raped him actually. He never consented to sex with her.
1 OnionBits 2018-10-03
The act of sex is a NAP violation with or without consent.
This is why black widow spiders are God's favorite creatures
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
Platypuses are the fridge painting of the animal world
1 TimothyGonzalez 2018-10-03
Not sure if kidding, but it's true. They were both drunk, neither of them asked the other another time. Why is he the one being accused of rape, and not her?
Also, he did not force her to have sex. She said no, then she got drunk and changed her mind. If she did not want to change her mind, perhaps she should not have chosen to continue drinking to the point where her decision making capabilities were impaired?
Oh wait, that would imply putting some sense of responsibility with the woman, who are apparently unable to be responsible human beings.
1 QinEmperor 2018-10-03
because womyn are likkle children
oh shit, you already said it at the end of your paragraph. now feel like a retard for typing this comment out.
1 satanismyhomeboy 2018-10-03
children likky likky am I right?
The smaller the tongue, the bigger your dick looks, or so I've heard from my Muslim buddies
1 Wygar 2018-10-03
This bait is low tier. Be best, mate.
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
because women have no agency and are basically robots
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-10-03
Didn't you know? You're allowed to change your mind from "yes" to "no", but never from "no" to "yes".
1 nybbas 2018-10-03
NPR literally had this lady on (she was here on the frontpage before then) who said she went out with a guy, he drank WAY more than her, they went back to his place and started banging (she said its all consensual up to this point). At some point he slips it in her butt, and it hurts really bad and she eventually tells him to stop. He stops at some unknown amount of time after she asked, whether it was 5 seconds, or 5 minutes she didn't say. She is now telling her story of how she was raped and is just getting the courage to talk about it. She admits that she thought he was just too drunk to process when she said "stop" which is why he didn't stop immediately.
If the genders were switched, she would be getting screamed down as a rapist.
1 HighTesticles 2018-10-03
clown world. Shame the idiots who still believe in it because it is dying anyway.
1 Brodo00095 2018-10-03
I'm struggling to picture how you could reverse the genders in that one
1 General_Insomnia 2018-10-03
Pegging, once you say no if the dildo is still inside for even one microsecond it's rape.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-10-03
Edit: Okay guys I get it, I raped, now stop downboating me 😡😡
1 wowiewowiewowiewowie 2018-10-03
Rape a girl: meh
Lose some of my precious karma: STOP IT GUYS
1 Blinwar 2018-10-03
And even though he said stop, he's still being downvoted. Just wow. Yet another proof Reddit are the REAL rapists!
1 Fr33_Lax 2018-10-03
He was asking for it, dressing like a slut in jeans and a nice button up.
1 reallyrunningnow 2018-10-03
"downboating"
1 Brodo00095 2018-10-03
His worst act
1 Zero5urvivers 2018-10-03
This guy isn’t even trying with his bait lol.
1 ATissu 2018-10-03
stupid bait could probably still get him in trouble, at least a police visit
1 0987654231 2018-10-03
That's why good trolls use protection
1 Peetrius 2018-10-03
7 proxies and a virtual network.
1 istural 2018-10-03
I can’t imagine trying to connect to Reddit’s shitty web servers behind 7 proxies.
1 jallopsmith 2018-10-03
I also use 6 rolls of fat
1 Chaosophist 2018-10-03
Post your good shit behind a VPN lol
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
you think cops would come to your house because some woman said you both got drunk and had sex? lol
1 ATissu 2018-10-03
you think reddit retards who fell for the bait won't try to change the world by doing everything to get the police on this?
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
cops have real stuff to respond to as far as i can tell
even if a real life woman went into the cop station and said omg i slept with someone after they bought me drinks pls go arrest them i dont think theyd be interested
1 80BAIT08 2018-10-03
Im jealous.
1 papanojohns 2018-10-03
lol reddit is retarded, what do you expect?
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-10-03
Is rape something you can do on accident now
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
She said no in advance
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
And then she had sex, then tried to act like she isn't somehow responsible for her own actions. You americans are a fucked up bunch.
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
Forgot to make it sound more sarcastic
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
Edited without consent.
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
I edited it without being drunk
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
Well laaa dee daaa mr I'm too together to be a broken, raging alcoholic.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2018-10-03
If you say "I don't want any cake", then someone gets you drunk so they can get you eat cake you were raped into eating cake.
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
But riddle me this, was I raped by the alcohol, the cake or the someone?
1 TehAlpacalypse 2018-10-03
Capitalism
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
That's pretty deep tbh
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
I'm 14" and this is deep
1 GayLordMcMuffins 2018-10-03
In glorious Communism, all would be raped equally.
1 AFellowCanadianGuy 2018-10-03
But she drank the drinks on her own 🤔
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
what if you get drunk and then decide actually cake sounds pretty good because of lowered inhibitions
maybe they were just too much of an uptight bitch to eat cake?!?!?
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2018-10-03
Sounds like a case of aggravated force-feeding.
Get a lawyer.
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Man this makes no sense. If I say to a girl "I dont want ti fuck right now" and she teases me, I get horny and we have sex, was I raped? Of course not. Consent actualizes constantly.
If I got so horny I didnt have any judgement whatsoever then maybe yeah that is the case. So the question is if in OP case she was in this beyond blackout state
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-10-03
🙄🙄🙄
1 MacAndShits 2018-10-03
way in advance
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
shit i bumped into someone on the train and my dick went in whoops sorry about that
1 HINDBRAIN 2018-10-03
What if you're blindfolded and your gf secretely switches with a passed-out victim.
1 Doomblaze 2018-10-03
idk if "on accident" is the right phrase, but people have different definitions of it. If you use the one the OP did then it was mutual because they were both drunk. Freshman year of uni we had to do an online thing to be able to register for classes that said the same thing (meaning most people i know are rapists...)
1 by-accident-bot 2018-10-03
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/JointHiddenHummingbird
This is a friendly reminder that it's "by accident" and not "on accident".
Downvote to 0 to delete this comment.
1 valemanya08 2018-10-03
Both drunk right? Fucking rapists raping each other
1 OnionBits 2018-10-03
I usually strike the contrarian incel opinion but yeah this was pretty rape desu
1 DukeOfSquirrels 2018-10-03
feminist false flag operation
1 wow___justwow 2018-10-03
This obviously bullshit story raises a question I've had for a while now. If two equally sized people drink an equal amount of alcohol and end up having sex while plastered, who raped whom?
Yes I know, powerless womyn are incapable of rape, but I'd like something other than the nonsensical radfem hot take.
1 22333444455555666666 2018-10-03
in most cases its irrelevant because legally nothing will happen unless the person is literally unconscious
the whole "someone who is impaired cannot consent" thing is a fantasy
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Exactly, legally, it's not rape. If she went to the police they'd tell her to take her slut ass home and not bother them with bullshit.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-10-03
If they are Americans students, then the one who makes a title IX complaint is officially the victim. That's the rules and there's a googleable precedent of it being used successfully by a guy but I'm on the phone.
1 charlesgrodinfan 2018-10-03
https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/11/cincinnati-rape-title-ix-doe-roe-sex
1 zergling_Lester 2018-10-03
Yep that's the one, thanks!
1 shallowm 2018-10-03
related /r/drama thread
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-10-03
From a related thread to the related thread:
More technically, the initiator of sexual activity is the person committing sexual abuse, the receiver of the sexual initiation is the victim.
Yep, she raped him.
1 Heavy_handed 2018-10-03
Update from my university paper
TLDR: she lost her lawsuit against the university and she will not be eligible to re-enroll until the male student graduates or is no longer a student
1 terminator755 2018-10-03
why would you think /r/drama has the answer to anything other than info about bussy and bussy accesories?
1 wow___justwow 2018-10-03
/r/drama is balance, bussy is not but 1 thing. but a unique casm of many, only through mastery and balance, can we attain enlightenment, and fullfillment.
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Legally speaking is only rape if the person is so drunk they cant actively be participating in sex anyway.
How the fuck are going two people who are so drunk they cant actively participate in sex fuck?
So your scenario is either impossible or extremely unlikely
The scenario redditors talk about is "pretty fucking drunk and ready to do a mistake you woudnt sober" which isnt rape morally or legally speaking
1 KingWayneX 2018-10-03
What if it is non-violent rape (she says no, stop, etc but doesnt fight back physically) and the aggressor is blackout drunk?
1 Doomblaze 2018-10-03
also depends on gender, race, body type, alcohol tolerance, what you've been eating during the day, etc. If two people end up exactly the same amount of drunk though idk. The whole thing is dumb anyway.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-03
Plot twist: OP is a lesbian womyn, thus making both of them rape victims and neither a rapist.
1 kxxzy 2018-10-03
Christ whoever writes these shitty troll posts should definitely throw this in there. Pure prodigy video level.
1 alexmikli 2018-10-03
Well they did say they used a condom....but
1 Unknownentity7 2018-10-03
OP is a pre op trans woman.
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-10-03
lol what's going there? Did I miss something obvious? He literally said he first stopped, then he got drunk, so they were both drunk, and then they had sex. But he is the rapist and the mod there says "for anyone who may be now realizing they were victimized the way that OP victimized this woman." What am I missing here?
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
She told him while they were sober that she didn't want to fuck then this asshole got her hammered to lower her inhibitions. He can lie all he wants and say he didnt get her drunk on purpose but we know that's bullshit. The story is probably fake but either the way the situation is rape
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-10-03
How do we know that? That's what I don't get.
1 Probably_Sleepy 2018-10-03
She couldn't possibly turn down more alcohol.
1 TimothyGonzalez 2018-10-03
Are you suggesting women should act like responsible human beings? You MONSTER.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
I'm honestly pretty into equality and some aspects of social justice warrior dogma but how is it rape if she said eariler she didn't want to fuck? Are people incapable of changing their minds?
Why is alcohol some evil elixir that obviously makes women unable to make any decisions? This is like when idiots cheat on their spouses and blame I was drunk it doesn't count!!
Drunk people can consent and make decisions. It's not the OPs fault that the girl is an idiot who regrets it.
I'm 100% open to being wrong. But I guess I'm a serial rapist because when I was younger male going to a bar and getting drunk and talking to other drunk people and fucking them was what everyone did every weekend .
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
She wasn't just slightly drunk and still able to consent. She was completely blackout and didn't remember having sex which means she was too drunk to consciously consent. He was obviously not blackout and intentionally chose to have sex with her, making him the rapist.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
But she made the decision to drink alcohol and to continue to drink it? No one is forcing the substance down her throat.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Being drunk isn't an invitation to have sex. She said no before she got more drunk and he should've respected that decision. But instead he wanted to fuck her so he kept asking until she was too drunk to say no and took that as a yes.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
She said no before but then got drunk and changed her mind? How is this rape?
As a male I didn't want to have sex with women before when sober but I got drunk and realized I was being shallow or petty and then proceeded to have sex with them. Am I a rape victim now because I changed my mind while drunk? Alcohol doesn't turn people into beings that suddenly have no agency and decision making abilities.
Ive regretted it when I woke up too. Doesn't make it rape. Makes it a messy grey area which is why you don't get drunk in a bed with men you barely know you've kissed before. I understand this is seemingly becoming close to victim blaming (I don't mean too) but at a certain point you have to be like make better decisions about the environments you put yourself in.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Her going over to his house is not an invitation to sex either. How hard it it to just wait until the person you want to sleep with is not absolutely wasted? She didn't consciously change her mind after a few more drinks, she ended up blackout after a few more drinks and he took advantage of the fact that she didn't know what was going on. The difference is based on how drunk a person is. I'm not one of those idiots who thinks any alcohol = rape. Just that so much alcohol that you can't remember what happened at all while the other person remembers everything = rape.
1 Brodo00095 2018-10-03
Just looking at memory loss/blacking out isn't a very good standard though. Blacking out is weird, and has to do with past alcohol use, how quickly you drank the alcohol, nutrition levels, exhaustion, genetics, and a bunch of other stuff. Alcoholics specifically are suuuuuper prone to black outs and can seem damn near sober and have functioning very short term memory ( <5 min ) but complete memory loss for anything longer ago than that.
Random article that touches on some of these points: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180613-why-do-only-some-people-get-blackout-drunk
Looking purely at what that guy said, I do think it's possible for him to have been damn near as drunk (or even more drunk) than her. Though I'd say it's probably more likely that she was indeed more drunk than him.
1 SomethingEnglish 2018-10-03
That's a bold statement, if a man is super duper drunk, has sex with a girl, also super duper drunk, he previously said no to. When they wake up she doesn't remember anything because she was blackout drunk, but the man remembers. does that mean that she was raped?
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
The fact that you don't mention her consent anywhere in your hypothetical means that there's not enough information to answer the question.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
These are people that had tried to hook up with you before and you'd explicitly turned them down? As in they knew for sure that you didn't want to fuck?
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
More or less. Just chicks I turned down at clubs for a quick bone in the alley or something. Usually at the end of the night I was super drunk and they approached me again and I didn't care. Wow surprise, alcohol makes ugly people attractive.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
Sounds like "less" if you're talking about people you just met at a party/club. You didn't know those people and they didn't know you (which is asking for all different kinds of trouble if you're fucking people you don't know, but that's another conversation). This girl apparently knew and trusted the guy well enough to go to his house sober and then get drunk with him. He took advantage of that trust and had sex with her when he knew that she'd explicitly turned him down on other occasions. Why defend that?
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Lol. How much of an ugly basement dweller are you? Bars/clubs/shows across the world every night are filled with strangers fucking each other and going home with each other. It's fairly normal when you're young and passably attractive.
Now that we've got that out of the way. I'm not really defending what he did. My body count is in the triple digits before I got married and I can only have sex with a girl if she explicitly said she wants to and enjoys it. What that OP was a creepy grey area. I wouldn't ever do that.
I'm strictly debating if its rape
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
Stalk me if you really care, this profile is real old and I'm not super careful.
So... you're denying that sleeping with strangers is risky? Because that's all I said.
Now that we've got that out of the way, you seem very intent on debating the rapiness of abusing the trust of someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, and taking advantage of them when you know that their judgment is impaired. Why would an upstanding, thoughtful guy like yourself be so interested in that?
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Once you say everything is rape, you devalue the seriousness of real rape.
And no, statistically fucking strangers isn't dangerous as pearl clutching weirdos like you think it is.
And no, I'm not going to stalk your profile because it has nothing to with the current argument.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
I'm curious what you think "real rape" is. If a woman doesn't physically resist, is that not "real rape" to you?
So you're saying it isn't risky at all? Because that's all I said- it's risky. It's a real simple, non-controversial point. Why'd it trigger you so much?
No, you'll just write out the stuff you assume about me cuz that's totes relevz.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Rape is when someone explicitly says no before the act. Not a day before. Which the woman didn't bother to do.
And no, fucking strangers isn't really risky.
I actually did go through your history. Minecraft, hearthstone playing weirdo. Truly a guy who is out sleeping with strangers at clubs.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
So a dozen "no"s don't matter as long as there's one extremely drunken "yes"?
So it's not risky at all? Come on my guy, why are you having such a hard time with this?
Lol nerd.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Well there wasn't a single no at all in the post we were talking about besides days prior. Sorry you treat women like this. I have a feeling you might be alone.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
Sorry I treat women like I shouldn't fuck them when they're blackout drunk and told me no a bunch of times prior? Nice one, save it for the judge.
I have a feeling you like to get in dick measuring contests with strangers on the internet. Truly the saddest fate.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
I don't think you treat women any way. Women don't really go for the white knighting beta pussies. Go play more online card games alone please.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
Women go for guys who don't brag about sex to strangers on the internet. That's literally the only type of guy that gets laid.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Well I have a triple digit body count and I've been married for six years so I don't need to get brag anymore. Relax little beta boy
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
You are indeed quite the specimen.
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
.... yes?
Stop with this bullshit. Is either rape or not. He might be guilty of being a huge fucking cunt, but in this particular caze is only and only rape if she was so drunk she had no idea what was going on, she was so drunk she didnt know who she was, who he was and where they were and what sex was. You can be blackout and still be able to know those things
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
No risks whatsoever. Just want to make sure we're clear on that one.
That's very specific. So you're saying that if she was so drunk that she didn't know who he was, where they were and what sex was, but *did* still know her own name, it can't be rape. Case closed then. We did it r/drama!
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
You know what I mean. Those are some signs that someone is unable of judging. Again, I am quoting the law. Is not enoigh for someone to have impaired judgement to consider it non-consensual
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
That's not what happened.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2018-10-03
I forgot that drinking alcohol is making a tacit agreement for people around me to have sex with me
Agreeing to drink alcohol is not agreeing to have sex, is that difficult for your incel mind to understand?
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
Absolutely did not say drinking is an agreement for anyone to have sex with me. I said that drinking alcohol can make a person change their mind.
Also I'm married and if you read my original post, have had lots of sex. Please stop using incel as some of cover for having a weak argument.
1 None-Of-You-Are-Real 2018-10-03
If I'm on a diet and I tell my friend not to let me eat any junk food that night, we go out to the bars and get hammered, and drunkenly demolish a pizza afterwards, did he allow me to get pizza-raped? I specifically said in advance I did not want to eat any unhealthy food that night.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
That friend abused your trust to get you to do something you didn't want to do. If that something was sex, your friend would be a rapist.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Blackout doesn't mean non-functional. People can be perfectly functional and consent to sex during blackouts. She is responsible for her sluttiness while hammered just like she would be responsible if she drove while blackout drunk.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
How is the standard "being functional?" Passed out people are still functional too since they're breathing and not dead yet having sex with them is definitely rape.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Functional means ambulatory and able to communicate properly. You can do that while blacked out. Like I said, I've been to entire parties, made new friends and fucked while completely blacked out. But unlike women, I'm held responsible for my actions while drunk like a fucking adult. Also, no one is talking about anyone being passed out so GTFO with that bullshit.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Lol you just made up a definition of functional that suits your point
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
And?
1 None-Of-You-Are-Real 2018-10-03
Man you are just all over this thread cucking yourself into oblivion aren't you lmao
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Sometimes you have to be your own lolcow
1 Heavy_handed 2018-10-03
I respect and thank you for your sacrifice
1 QinEmperor 2018-10-03
Shut the fuck up, you utter retard.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Now that's not very nice 😢
1 QinEmperor 2018-10-03
Get drunk and I'll consider raping you as a thank you.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Absolutely shocking that a man would devolve into making rape threats when triggered
1 QinEmperor 2018-10-03
The tits on this lolcow are especially pink and succulent.
1 IllustriousQuail 2018-10-03
Your position would make a lot more sense if women came with a gauge in the middle of their forehead providing their blood-alcohol level.
In the real world, unfortunately, that's not the case. Would you support issuing breathalyzers to all college freshmen?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Hurr durr it's too hard to figure out if someone is too drunk to fuck
1 IllustriousQuail 2018-10-03
Apparently it is. What is your surefire test?
1 TheRobidog 2018-10-03
There's no surefire test, mate. There doesn't need to be. Just don't fuck anyone where you're not sure if they're too drunk.
Unless you're an absolute idiot, you won't end up "raping" somebody that way.
1 None-Of-You-Are-Real 2018-10-03
You legit come across as someone who has never consumed alcohol to excess or known anyone who has. Which in itself is fine (if lame and gay) except you're trying to take some weird internet moral high ground here. I and plenty of other people have had nights where a lot of alcohol was consumed, I was perfectly lucid and conversational (if not 100% crisp) the entire night, and yet the next morning could not remember bits and pieces to sometimes entire hours of the night before eventually falling asleep. Not everyone handles alcohol exactly the same.
1 shiwanshu_ 2018-10-03
OP says(makes up) she has no recollection of it,while he states he had memory of what happened that night. Plus being drunk isn't a binary switch, there are levels of drunkenness, the girl was quite hammered from whereas OP had control over his cognitive functions(he claims that in the post then tries to back peddle in the comments) .
Also while you can change your mind , she didn't wanted to have sex with him while sober, she was shocked when she found out that she had sex with him right next morning and she only had sex with him so hammered that she doesn't recall the incident , seems a but rapey to me.
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
Whether you can consent drunk or not depends solely on how drunk you are. Most things in this story points towards this woman not being able to consent. Having no memories of the previous night is usually a good indicator that the person wasn't able to consent.
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
So knowingly consuming substances that makes you lower your inhibitions and making mistakes is rape now? Why would she drink that much and put herself into that position knowingly?
Obviously if she was passed out and the dude fucked her that's rape.
I just fail to see how drunk consent is seen as lesser.
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
As I said, depends solely on how drunk you are. And her reasons for getting drunk has no relevance to the rape question.
You already recognize that passed out drunk fucking is rape, so you clearly have a line where you draw a valid intoxicated consent from an invalid intoxicated consent.
What if a person is so drunk that he or she have absolutely no idea of what's going on (usually when you wake up with no memory of the previous night), but is still conscious in the sense that they react somewhat to their surroundings. If you start having sex with a person in this state (they haven't actually said they want to have sex, but they don't really stop you when you try (because they're fucking hammered and have no idea what's going on)), is this rape?
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
People are capable of that but if someone emphatically says no the 1st time trying later when they're waaaay more drunk is fucked. He said in his post that they'd been on a couple dates and he thought she wasn't really into him then on top of that she said no earlier that night. That's some creepy, rapist shit to try again.
It's not the same at all. It's about his intent. If she hadn't said no earlier and he wasn't under the assumption that she wasn't into him then I wouldn't think it was rape. This guy is a fucking creep.
She was blacked out and already stated that she didnt want to sleep with him. For all we know, she was barely coherent
Again, its the intent and the details that he admitted to that makes this bad. If she had not said no then it would be a different story. If before bringing a bottle of liquor to the bedroom he had said "if you stay in my room, we're fucking" and she stayed it would be different.
1 SomethingEnglish 2018-10-03
we only have his side, but the way he puts it they watched something in the living room he brought out more booze (he could have asked if she wanted more or she could have asked for more, we don't know), that they both drank equal amounts, according to him we can't really know, and then when both were drunk enough they took it to the bedroom.
That narrative could be wrong, but that narrative to me just sounds like two drunk people doing something they will regret, not planned rape.
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
Keep in mind this most likely didnt really happen and he edited it again saying that now he remembers just before they had sex that he reminded her that she said no earlier and that she emphatically said she was now DTF...so hypothetically, no I wouldn't call that rape. In reality that bitch is crazy and nothing but trouble and the guy making the bait post is a creep
1 SomethingEnglish 2018-10-03
its hopefully bogus, at least i hope for the sake of humanity noone is as stupid as OP
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
I really think it is because at 1 point he says he remembers everything after earlier saying he didnt know what happened when they started hooking up then he came back with an edit saying "I remember now, she was asking for it"
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
I never said this shit wasn't creepy. I don't think it's bonafide rape though. Pretty much everything in the original OP I'd never do myself personally.
Unlike most of the people who replied to me you've made a decent argument for what he did being creepy (I agree) but rape maybe not so much.
If a case went like this went to trial ( they occasionally do) any half decent lawyer is going to tear the woman apart with similar arguments that have been made in this thread and the dude is never going to be convicted of rape.
1 Doomblaze 2018-10-03
ya basically
1 IM_TRASH_LOL 2018-10-03
So I guess so is all the other men and women getting drunk and fucking around the world right now.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-03
please explain how a an independent western adult woman is made to drink "on purpose".
1 TimothyGonzalez 2018-10-03
He funnelled it down her throat like he was makin' foie gras smh
1 DoubleCheekedUp 2018-10-03
That is my fetish.
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
It was his intent to take advantage of her after she was blacked out. If she had not stated earlier un the night that she didnt want to fuck him then it would be a non issue, but she did
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-03
first off, that post is bait. Second off, adult women are incapable of making their own decisions? Sounds pretty sexist to me
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
No, someone sober enough to remember everything, who fucks a blacked out person who hours earlier stated they dont want to fuck is a rapist. Same goes for contracts. If you enter into a contract with someone you know is inebriated it will probably be voided if that person takes you to court...especially if you're the person who got them drunk.
1 Alicesnakebae 2018-10-03
Duh wtf do you think feminism is for
Women need to tell women what's up
1 SomethingEnglish 2018-10-03
how do you know that was his intent?
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
Because he's a loser making rapey bait posts on reddit
1 7i75 2018-10-03
You see the phrase "on purpose"(synonyms deliberately or intentionally) doesn't mean being forced to do something against your wishes, you can tell a person 'A'(who has full control of their actions) a to shout a word or maybe light a firecracker to trigger PTSD in a person 'B'(when 'A' has no idea about B's condition) and you'd(not A) have done that "on purpose".
Similarly when non retards talk about the lady being drunk on purpose it's not in reference to her drinking alcohol , it's with his intention of getting lucky while she drinks and he still has control over his mental faculties(or even just the "intention" of getting laid).
i know it sounded clever in your head , but you should keep in mind that you're not a smart person.
Also what was your initial argument? she chose to drank so it's fine to rape her?
1 TimothyGonzalez 2018-10-03
Sorry, "he got her hammered"?
Did he pour booze down her throat with a funnel or something?
1 charming_tainter 2018-10-03
He did it with the intent to lower her inhibitions
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Oh well, she's still responsible for her own actions.
1 30inchbluejeans 2018-10-03
He did WHAT?
Did he pour alcohol down her throat with a funnel?
1 cherrybombadil 2018-10-03
Oh no, the poor maiden who apparently couldn't help but be "hammered to lower her inhibitions" magically doesn't have any agency!
1 LawsCoolStudent 2018-10-03
This is the weirdest mismatch of beliefs in feminism. Feminism calls for equal treatment of women while simultaneously saying women lose all agency in a scenario when both actors are drinking. How can that ever be considered equal treatment? She went to his apartment, snuggled and cuddled him, kissed him, got drunk with him, she chose how much she wanted to drink... and suddenly this is rape because she didn't consent. But what about his consent? Where's the equal consideration of agency for both parties?
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
It's not equal treatment. It's sexual discrimination, but it's towards men so it's not a big deal to shut-in cat hoarders.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Is the bitch not responsible for her own actions? He didn't shove the alcohol down her throat against her will. It's not his fault she turns into a slut after a few drinks.
1 error404brain 2018-10-03
If she was passed out it's rape, if she wasn't it's not.
Given that it's a redditor, she was most likely passed out.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
It's rape if she was blackout too. Seriously it's not that hard to figure out that a few drinks = ok to fuck. So many drinks they can't stand up/hold a coherent conversation/are unconscious = do not fuck.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Nope. People can blackout but still be functional.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Functional isn't the same as being able to consent. Have you ever been outside to see the difference between someone who is a little drunk and still able to consent to things and the person who is clearly too fucked up to know what's happening?
1 30inchbluejeans 2018-10-03
Then it’s not their fault if that person chooses to get into a car and drive it, right?
They shouldn’t be punished or anything?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Of course it's their fault if they drive drunk. Different actions can be held to different standards.
1 30inchbluejeans 2018-10-03
Why is it not their fault if they have sex with someone then?
What’s the difference?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Because driving drunk is dangerous to others and should always be punished. Don't be obtuse
1 30inchbluejeans 2018-10-03
So they could consent to driving a car, but they couldn’t consent to sex?
That’s dumb
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Consent is irrelevant in the drunk driving case
1 justanotherusername_ 2018-10-03
You're a moron
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Ily too bb 😘😘😘
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-10-03
Is it also irrelevant to murder? Should we actually execute all those evil monsters who had brain tumors?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Nobody is talking about murders or brain tumors, retard
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-10-03
True, they're just talking about what makes a person responsible, which you still didn't address.
The correct answer is actually nobody is responsible for anything because we're all biological atomata that should be exterminated.
1 Doomblaze 2018-10-03
amen
1 Jas0nJewnova 2018-10-03
agreed
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Yes it is. I don't care how drunk you are, you are responsible for your own actions. He didn't fuck her while she was passed out, she was fucking him right back, therefore, not rape.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
He is responsible for his own actions - namely fucking a girl who didn't consent - making him a rapist
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
How the fuck is it rape if she is fucking him back? How the fuck are you this retarded?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
If you're too retarded to see how it's rape I can't help you. Please stay away from women if you are that much of a male feminist.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Answer my question, was I raped by that ditch pig I woke up next to?
Am I responsible for my own actions while drunk? If so why aren't women?
1 CraptainToad 2018-10-03
Gonna bite the bullet and say yes you were
1 escebar_ortez 2018-10-03
you are wholeheartedly retarded.
im shocked you dont understand the boundaries of rape in $CURRENT_YEAR$
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
1 el_Di4blo 2018-10-03
TIL mutual sex is now mutual rape.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
If you're just learning this now you might want to run to the closest Title IX coordinator and turn yourself in
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-10-03
A person throwing herself at someone inebriated and impaired is a weird way of not consenting.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
I think we read different posts since it never said she threw himself at him. In fact she said no but that doesn't matter to rapists and rape apologists.
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-10-03
We probably did:
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
He added that in an edit after I read it. The guy keeps editing his story to change the details as people criticize him. In the first version he never asked again after the first no and took her inability to answer later as a yes.
1 ObnoxiousFactczecher 2018-10-03
But since all you have to go on is his recollection, what do you propose? And of course he didn't ask later if the intercourse was initiated from the other side.
1 ffbtaw 2018-10-03
I've been blackout and people didn't even realize because I was still acting normally on many many occasions.
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Knowing whats happening/=being blackout you American subhuman
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Who cares about degenerate Spaniard laws?
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Good point actually
1 KingWayneX 2018-10-03
Thats why if you are blackout drunk and get in a car accident, you have no liability.
1 IllustriousQuail 2018-10-03
A blackout is a memory problem (things don't get "written" to long-term memory), not a thinking/walking/talking/canoodling problem. And there's no objective way for anyone to know whether someone else is currently in a blackout. Even the person having the blackout may not realize it because short-term memory is working just fine. See, e.g., the Sarah Hepola book Blackout.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-03
How do you know if somone is blackout drunk? Especially if youre on the verge of that and wasted yourself? Is the standard for the rapist always men if drinks are involved? Apparantly if youre drunk, you cannot consent, so then if both are drunk, then neither can consent. Or is it whoever is less drunk is the rapist? What if she was the one who pushed the liquor into the night?
1 alexmikli 2018-10-03
I mean someone can pretend to have blacked out. That'd be hard to prove legally
1 Re_LE_Vant_UN 2018-10-03
I mean it's a Redditor so you know that he raped her. There's no other qualification necessary.
1 le_epic_xd 2018-10-03
Baitest bait, but it still baits
1 motherjoad 2018-10-03
God I pray Reddit is all bots
1 newcomer_ts 2018-10-03
This should be a hint how fake it is.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-03
Get drunk and have sex in college? Obviously Rape.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
Someone redpill me on this.
Guy wants sex. Girl does not. They both decide to drink and watch 21st century ADHD millennial bullshit. They're both drunk. Guy still wants sex, and now the girl does too. They have sex. Girl wakes up and regrets it. The man does not.
How is this rape? I'd understand it if the man didn't drink, but both of them did in this case. Let's assume they're both equally drunk; the girl is so drunk that she can't remember what her sober decision was. How is it logical to expect the man to remember & respect her sober decision, given she (who's as drunk as him) can't?
You could argue that it's unethical what the man did, but how is this rape
1 TimothyGonzalez 2018-10-03
Because she was drunk a lot of people seem to think it was rape. Did he force her to drink so much? A much easier way to stop women from regretting having sex than branding it "RAPE!!!1" is for women to just not drink to the point where they "can not consent".
I really don't see how it's the guy's responsiblity to try to mind-read the woman and try to judge how drunk she is. IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO GET SO DRUNK AS TO NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE PROPER DECISIONS ON WETHER SHE WANTS TO BANG OR NOT.
1 wtfuxlolwut 2018-10-03
But then when I wake up next to an uggo after a night on the cosmos how do I justify it to my self?
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
Not really. If a person can't consent, it's actually your responsibility to not do something to that person.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
In the situation where you're both equally drunk, it's both of yours though.
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
Yes.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
ye okay
1 TheRobidog 2018-10-03
And he consented while sober.
I mean, whether you want to argue she was raped or not, he definitely wasn't, lol.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-03
Yeah but what if she makes the first move?
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
Doesn't matter. You won't suddenly not rape a child just because it makes the first move.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-03
So women are literally children?
Imagine being this sexist.
1 hakkzpets 2018-10-03
I guessed you would reply with something like this.
I'm obviously talking about consent. I made an example to show you why it doesn't matter what the person says. If a person legally can't consent, the person legally can't consent.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
The problem is they weren't equally drunk. If they are equally drunk, it's pretty much impossible to say who raped who. He was clearly less drunk than her in this situation though.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
How can you tell he was less drunk though. I admit it's also impossible to tell if they were equally drunk (or if the male was more drunk), but from the OP's post alone I think it's unclear to clearly say it was rape or not.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
You can tell because he was sober enough to both remember to put on a condom and remember having sex but she doesn't remember anything at all.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
You make sense but I wouldn't hold "he remembers having sex" against him. Some people remember most of the shit they did regardless of how drunk they were.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
No that just means they were less drunk than the people who can't remember.
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
Eh I doubt it but whatever my famalam
1 korri123 2018-10-03
Nah, some people never blackout. It’s genetics homie
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Not true, I get really drunk and always remenber, I have friends that get way less drunk than me and they cant remenber shit
Being able to remenber or not is NOT a good indicator of intoxication
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
Seriously, you think that implies he was sober? You can do that easily when drunk. You're an ass.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
As in not completely sober. Assuming without reading all the way makes an ass out of u and me!
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
Yeah you're an ass. You're making the assumption purely because of her gender that she was drunker than him. Having blacked out for a period does not mean she was "obviously" more intoxicated than him, however you jump to that assumption because I don't know. Misandry probably.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
From his narrative that definitely isn't bait it is clear she was drunker. And thanks for recognizing my misandry I am quite proud of it 💖 Remember all men are rapists!
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
Something obviously happened to you earlier in your life to hate men. Remember, people are individuals. Don't be so dismissive, smug, and superior.
Again, no, it is not clear. Go read about black outs.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Fucking misogynists. I can hate men all on my own 😤
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
Regardless of what happened, it's pretty clear that you do. And you seem to like mocking anyone who thinks differently than you.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Are you aware of what sub you're in? I can help you find your handler if you're feeling lost and confused.
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
More empty sarcasm. This is most often done by people who can't hold a meaningful discussion. I'm sure you think you're clever, but it's indicative of a superiority complex. Which is odd because all you're doing is writing "clever" retorts on your keyboard.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
Does sarcasm trigger you? Did something in your past make you hate sarcasm? You sound like a deeply bitter person.
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
I just reply negatively to smug jerks.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
If that gets you off you might want to try SRD 😉
1 ricochet_rico 2018-10-03
What is that
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
r/SubredditDrama
It is perfect for all you smugposting needs.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2018-10-03
The fact he clearly states she can't remember them having sex and he does should be a pretty good indication tbqhwu
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
Yall people better start reading the chain before commentin
1 TehAlpacalypse 2018-10-03
I read the thread my guy
One of these people remembers having sex and it isn't the girl
1 ElegantConvictionAdv 2018-10-03
nigga I said chain, not thread. I mean the rest of this convo ure replying to. the guy i was talknig to already mentioned the remebering thing
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Yeh, but I disagree thag being able to remenber or not is a decent indicator of intoxication. I also disagree that he should be completely blameworthy while she is blameless just because he was a bit less drunk.
I would only call this rape if she was so gone shr didnt know where she was, who she was and so on and he wasnt in the same state. If that happened then sure, rape
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-03
What are you a mindreader? Do you carry a breathalizer to every date so you can match her BAC so that its technically not rape?
1 Doomblaze 2018-10-03
do you not? I thought this was standard practice along with a consent form. Really gets the panties dropping.
1 lifesbrink 2018-10-03
Impossible to prove from his narrative alone, and that's assuming this isn't just a fabricated story to post online to begin with
1 alexmikli 2018-10-03
You may be right about their relative inebriation but it'd be something your need to prove in court.
1 Frostfright 2018-10-03
Women are actual children. This is why they cannot be trusted with their own decisions while drunk, and why men are still expected to be prudent decisionmakers regardless of how drunk they are.
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
Rule of thumb - if the sex wouldn't have happened without chemicals or coercion, it's probably rape.
Also they clearly weren't equally drunk.
1 ILieToCaptchas 2018-10-03
Right, so if someone is 90% drunk and the other 80% drunk and they both have sex one is a rapist and should go to jail and the other is completely blameless?
That makes no sense
1 selectrix 2018-10-03
True centrists need not consider consent when deciding what constitutes rape.
1 Chicup 2018-10-03
When I was in college we called that being in college.
1 AnalAssassin6969 2018-10-03
Yikes
1 AnalAssassin6969 2018-10-03
reads title
Ruh-roh
1 sweetb00bs 2018-10-03
That's assault, brotha
1 angrybluechair 2018-10-03
Inb4 the sub gets fucking nuked harder than Japran.
1 Momruepari 2018-10-03
pretty decent bait
very formulaic, but the autistic virgins of reddit are probably to naive to see through this
1 PeskyPapaya 2018-10-03
Hey MDEfugees, how do you deny rape culture is a thing when there's people in this very thread denying that this was rape?
1 DistortedLines 2018-10-03
Yeah lmao the amount of rape apologists here...
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-03
We need to drive out the male feminists asap
1 satanismyhomeboy 2018-10-03
logic not found
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
It's literally not rape, not morally and definitely not legally. If she went to the cops they'd tell her slut ass to go home and not bother them with bullshit.
1 agenderphobe 2018-10-03
YHBT. HTH. HAND.
1 cultish_alibi 2018-10-03
More yikes/trolling
1 captainpriapism 2018-10-03
lol women just want actual zero responsibilities huh
1 chelowl 2018-10-03
If he is a troll, he is a fucking retard. Outraged mayos will ruin his life.
1 Plexipus 2018-10-03
Here's the now deleted OP, courtesy of ceddit:
1 Picksley 2018-10-03
The OP linked to other people's social media accounts to deflect all of the hate he rightfully deserves. Message the user, not innocent people's social media accounts..
1 redacted720 2018-10-03
Thank god for the sensible comments here, I was reading the original thread and losing my mind at 100s mindless drones who think this was rape.
Honestly, if if this happened as described, and they were both drunk as fuck, then how is it that you in one breath claim she was too drunk to make an informed decision, but then do a complete 180 and say the guy’s drunkenness was no excuse for not realizing that the girl was too drunk to be allowed to change her mind about sleeping with him.
Getting so drunk that you sleep with someone you don’t want to sleep with is irresponsible and stupid. Don’t do it, ever, unless you accept the risks of what you might choose to do in that state. You can’t blame others for your impaired decisions if you choose to be impaired.
This is the difference between being a child and an adult. Adults are responsible for their actions.
1 Logios_v2 2018-10-03
Apparently, women are fucking children and cannot take responsibility for their own decisions according to retard feminists. Yet they also want to claim they are strong, independent wymyns. Those two positions obviously contradict each other and you have to be a fucking idiot to believe both at the same time.
1 DifficultBluejay 2018-10-03
Redditors have never drank alcohol and don't understand what being "blackout drunk" actually means.
Black out is purely short term memory loss. It doesn't mean you aren't perfectly functional. You can't expect other people to be able to read minds.
1 d4ddyd54m4 2018-10-03
Haven’t we all done this?