the racism is simply this – why do random people off the internet see fit to tell a fully trained meditation instructor of the highest calibre that he isn’t enlightened because he’s angry?
wow surprise surprise, radicals are given far more representation proportionally than non-radicals and that changes people's perception of how many radicals there are, this study was totally worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent conducting 8,000 interviews and 6 focus groups
Yeah, but they're usually too dumb to have more than 5 minutes of fun with. It's usually just, "hahaha found the libtard socialist"-tier answers and accusations of hating your country, race, manhood etc.
At least progressives throw all these super sophisticated buzzwords at you that they don't understand whatsoever, so the potential to bait them into self-contradiction and hypocrisy is greater.
Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country.
the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country.
Anyone could tell you this. The people that whine the hardest about the need for diversity are overwhelmingly white. Those cringeworthy /pol/ meetups look like fucking Brazil by comparison.
The article doesn't even touch on their definitions. The actual study that the article is written about did give a brief overview at the start before breaking them down in detail.
It's always guys like Steve Shives, a man who lives in a neighborhood that is 99.5% white, that are complaining about how we need "more Diversity". Otherwise you are a racist bigot.
Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness.
Fucking hell, turns out gassing the mayos may not be such a bad idea after all.
But since the survey question did not define political correctness for respondents, we cannot be sure what, exactly, the 80 percent of Americans who regard it as a problem have in mind.
Not defining the central topic of your study is always the sign of good research
Yeah, whoever conducted this ''''research'''''' was an amateur. You're not even supposed to mention 'political' or 'correctness' in the prompt, just define the concept and ask them what they think about it.
If you're looking for a laugh, follow the link in the article to a pdf of the study's methodology. The "questions" are all over the top garbage explicitly designed to give polarized results.
Most respondents also said hate speech is bad. Many of the questions are poorly worded and steer the more moderate respondents toward a specific answer.
It doesn't matter if respondents end up giving different and highly correlated answers.
The worst you could say that what they measured was not actual beliefs about best policies etc but reactions to tribal identification shibboleths. But then which is more importan for politics?
Yes, and I think the wording of the questions contributed to that. And you're right that it looks like they were measuring tribal reactions to concepts that are poorly defined but strongly identified with certain tribes. They do get an answer to that, but I think that by not defining the words for respondants they severely limit the conclusions that can be gleaned from their anwswers. So even though 80% of people think a thing is bad, you have no idea what they think the thing is. It would've been interesting to see what each group thought "political correctness" is.
When you're trying to get people to answer a question that you have about them, the way that you try to get the answer can radically influence how they respond and how well their answers actually address your question. So much as giving somebody a prompt vs. asking a question and using words like 'valuable' vs. 'important' can make a huge difference. I didn't read the study because fuck that, but even asking somebody what they think about 'political correctness' doesn't actually address what they think about political correctness; it just addresses what they think about the concept of political correctness that they have. And 'political correctness' is such a hazy term that somebody could have any number of conceptions as to what it is.
So basically "political correctness" is an empty container that anyone can fill with whatever bullshit annoys them that minute, so many (potentially the majority) of respondents are actually talking about different things when they think "PC."
Gotcha.
Hotfix: Replace the term "political correctness" with "#mayocide now," as "mayocide" conceptually encapsulates the core essence of everything associated with PC.
So basically "political correctness" is an empty container that anyone can fill with whatever bullshit annoys them that minute, so many (potentially the majority) of respondents are actually talking about different things when they think "PC."
Pretty much, but I'm just talking about research methods here. When you ask somebody what they think about any term that has any sort of ambiguity or emotional baggage attached to it, you don't ask them a question with the term included in it unless you want to figure out what their understanding of the term is. For example, instead of asking 'what do you think about the living habits of millennials?' it'd be better to ask 'what do you think about the trend among young adults to prefer renting to buying property?'. It's a shitty and poorly-worded example but it kind of gets the point across.
Here's a better one that's more subtle than the shit in this ''''study'''''' but can make a huge difference:
Say you're doing some bullshit marketing research, and a bullshit question on your survey is:
"How likely are you to use [new technology]?"
And the selections are:
Not at all likely
Not very likely
Somewhat likely
Very likely
Extremely likely
I don't understand what [new technology] is.
How likely do you think that somebody who isn't familiar with the technology will select the 'I don't understand' option? Although many to most people who aren't familiar with the technology may choose that option, a good portion may be uncomfortable with admitting that they don't understand something (which to a lot of people makes them feel stupid). As such, it's best to replace 'I don't understand' with something more neutral like 'I'm not familiar with [new technology]'.
You can apply the same general principle to live research- if you ask somebody 'is this confusing to you?' or 'do you understand?', there's a good chance that somebody might say 'yes' even if they don't know what the fuck they're looking at because admitting that you're confused about something is uncomfortable to a lot of people. The better way to do it is to focus on the subject itself rather than the participant and give two options or an open-ended question, e.g. 'what do you think about [new technology]?' then dig in deeper based upon what they say and what you're trying to find out.
Could probably dump that and somewhat into the same dumpster category, since people totally unfamiliar with the subject matter are less likely to have a strong opinion, and an opinion survey needs people to have opinions to glean useful data. Plus a 5 likert is stronger than a 5+no answer.
I think the survey did an okay job of determining that people don't like the connotations of the terms "political correctness" and "hate speech" but people on extreme ends of the political spectrum consider these to be coded terms/dog whistles.
Any claims beyond that are total malarky. But as far as what it does demonstrate, there's some value to that knowledge, even if it misrepresents it and others will cite it to create more garbage lit. reviews and misrepresentations.
As someone who works in research... no you absolutely don't. There might be one or two person at the top getting paid well but almost everyone working on this kind of study is getting minimum wage or close to it. Most of the work involved apart from designing the study is clerical. A lot of them might even be students working just for the experience/credits. I also kind of doubt this was a million dollar study. They're just surveying people not paying for expensive lab tests or something.
I think “political correctness” is an excellent example of one of those trigger-words that immediately makes a huge chunk of people hyper-aware of their partisan affiliation, and mentioning it early on in your survey miscolors your results.
Over the 3 decades or so that it's been part of the public consciousness, it's gained an extremely negative connotation despite being poorly-defined. Of course most Americans are going to react negatively towards the term.
If the Steven Hawking was involved, then he definitely isn't familiar with research methods involving human subjects. Knowledge of research methods doesn't transfer very well across different fields, especially when it comes to life sciences vs. hard sciences.
I found this interesting but it made me wonder if the respondents self definition was just as important, their reaction to what they believe political correctness to be. Dunno.
How the fuck is "progressive activist" defined? They still had people in the "progressive activist" group who agreed with their defining questioning "is political correctness a problem", so clearly that isn't that guage.
They made up all the groupings themselves. Also, in an impressive display of retardation, they have 3 liberal categories (only 1 of which they describe as extreme), 1 disengaged category, 1 moderate category, and 2 conservative categories (both of which they describe as extreme).
Honestly, if you've spent much time trolling through right wing news sites, you should. For people angry about political correctness they sure do get offended a lot.
Heh, a few years ago I got cold called by pollsters before an election. They gave me the name of a conservative thinktank. Their script started with, "Can you believe what the liberals are doing now?" I just hung up.
Same happened to me, but instead of hanging up I teleported behind him, tipped my fedora, and said “nothing personnel, kiddo”, before slicing him with my thousand times folded steel katana.
No, I believe it. I’m telling you what happened when they tried to coerce my opinion over the phone. They were met with my Glorious katana, made from nippon steel folded over 10,000 times, sending them to an early grave.
“Another polltard rekt” is what I utter every time I jerk off to the thought of that glorious day.
This seriously explains why progressives don't seem to be giving a flying fuck about class consiousness. And correct me if I'm wrong, but if this applies to the other countries as well, then the higher their economical inequality is, the more polarized it'll be.
Tb100%h, this poll doesn't explain shit, except that people who REALLY, REALLY like political correctness (it's most broad definition, anyway) are mostly rich egghead mayos, and that's good enough for me.
Pretty much what I have been saying for a while. Bored rich white people who costed through life off mom and dad's money, who never had to struggle for anything or work a real job (if they got a job, it is through social connections and not merit) who have a distorted view of the world thanks to their sheltered lives.
It's status signalling. In previous times they would go spend a week helping lepers or write letters about the conditions at orphanages or something. It's just the upper strata of society competing with each other over who is the most charitable and virtuous.
I cant remember the last time i saw rightoids talking about literally anything other than idpol (burgerstani rightoids im aware other countries are capable of not being autistic 100% of the time)
Of course it depends on what political operative created the poll and with what questions and with what intent. For example, are BLM activists included in "progressive activists"?
Well obviously they are not since statistics wouldn't be such.
Also it seems it was directed at universities themselves.
People from underprivileged groups that get into especially l33t universities tend to themselves be either very privileged, very focused or feel very grateful and so do not engage as much in political activism.
You guys are so predictable. Literally everyone knows what a progressive activist looks like. But sure shoehorn in "unions" to act like those people are the ones using words like "intersectionality" or voting based on bathrooms
I just want to know what kind of lives most people live that PC culture affects them regularly. I live in a college town, and at most I might have some butch looking chick get huffy about me holding a door open for her.
Not woke and not poor. These articles cut stats to say whatever they want it to say. The majority of people making over 100k are young, recent grads living in large coastal cities with no resources.
Move into a higher tax bracket and the picture is much different.
100k is almost the 90% quantile in America. I don't know if describing them as young helps your case, because they're probably only going to earn more as they age.
after I spend my money, I barely have any money left
Housing is more expensive in cities because it's more valuable to live in cities -- more connections, more art, more ramen joints. This contradicts your "no resources" point as well
Ramen joints aren't a resource unless you own it. 😂
Income is not the same thing as wealth. Income only makes you rich if you can save it. People making 100k a year in SF and NY are not saving any money, ergo they are poor like you.
Personal question - do you own or have you ever owned an above ground pool?
...while 80 percent of Americans believe that political correctness has become a problem in the country, even more, 82 percent, believe that hate speech is also a problem.
It’s almost like...nuance is a thing that exists! Who would have thought??
If age and race do not predict support for political correctness, what does? Income and education.
Progressive Activists are not getting STEM degrees. Being classified as "highly educated" is a misnomer. They have degrees in Humanities and Liberal Arts.
Obviously, my followers on Twitter are not a representative sample of America. But as their largely supportive feelings about political correctness indicate, they are probably a decent approximation for a particular intellectual milieu to which I also belong: politically engaged, highly educated, left-leaning Americans—the kinds of people, in other words, who are in charge of universities, edit the nation’s most important newspapers and magazines, and advise Democratic political candidates on their campaigns.
It turns out that while progressive activists tend to think that only hate speech is a problem, and devoted conservatives tend to think that only political correctness is a problem, a clear majority of all Americans holds a more nuanced point of view: They abhor racism. But they don’t think that the way we now practice political correctness represents a promising way to overcome racial injustice.
Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness.
Fucking hell, turns out gassing the mayos may not be such a bad idea after all.
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1 BussyShillBot 2018-10-10
the racism is simply this – why do random people off the internet see fit to tell a fully trained meditation instructor of the highest calibre that he isn’t enlightened because he’s angry?
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1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
wow surprise surprise, radicals are given far more representation proportionally than non-radicals and that changes people's perception of how many radicals there are, this study was totally worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent conducting 8,000 interviews and 6 focus groups
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Exactly this. It also gives ppl leaning towards radicalism (but not completely sold) the impression that it's way more popular than it is.
Mayos.
Mayos pay for this shit. 😬
1 DaYooper 2018-10-10
No shit, someone has to pay taxes.
1 Watermark03 2018-10-10
I find it more fun to troll the resentful conservatives tbh, that's just me
1 Chicup 2018-10-10
So you are saying the retarded shit you say is on purpose?
1 POST_BUSSY 2018-10-10
Somehow I doubt it.
Checkout all the Brilliant™️ things he had to say in this recent thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/9n3wmc/racist_hollywood_strikes_again_denies_womyn_of/
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Yeah, but they're usually too dumb to have more than 5 minutes of fun with. It's usually just, "hahaha found the libtard socialist"-tier answers and accusations of hating your country, race, manhood etc.
At least progressives throw all these super sophisticated buzzwords at you that they don't understand whatsoever, so the potential to bait them into self-contradiction and hypocrisy is greater.
1 LightUmbra 2018-10-10
Maybe it will stop the radicals?
Lol no
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
same
1 die_rattin 2018-10-10
1 Lupusvorax 2018-10-10
I'm dying over here :D
1 Watermark03 2018-10-10
We are the master race. Bow to us.
1 Lupusvorax 2018-10-10
And.... Then you woke up to find your coffee was cold
1 Van-Diemen 2018-10-10
Anyone could tell you this. The people that whine the hardest about the need for diversity are overwhelmingly white. Those cringeworthy /pol/ meetups look like fucking Brazil by comparison.
Meanwhile, at ghazi
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
Plaid shirt guy and pink shirt lady realized they made a huge mistake in going to a reddit meetup
1 TruthPains 2018-10-10
The redhead was smart and is hiding behind everyone.
1 freet0 2018-10-10
You can see the regret in her eyes
1 100_Percent_not_homo 2018-10-10
The dog just looks on in shame
1 agenderphobe 2018-10-10
Even the dog is fat.
1 Detective_Fallacy 2018-10-10
Poor dog looks so dead inside.
1 Momruepari 2018-10-10
is that legit?
1 Unkill_is_dill 2018-10-10
It's a general Reddit meetup, not a Ghazi meetup.
1 YTPeePo 2018-10-10
I like the lady so ashamed she's using a leaf to hide.
1 parduscat 2018-10-10
I always hoped we'd be a better looking bunch than that...
1 TruthPains 2018-10-10
Only on /r/gonewild
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
1 parduscat 2018-10-10
Is that not a valid contraction? Something seemed wrong when I typed it.
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
Including yourself in that group is problematic hate speech.
1 freet0 2018-10-10
This is like the picture /pol/ would draw if they wanted to mock reddit
But its real
1 jrolle 2018-10-10
Even the fucking dog is white
1 Van-Diemen 2018-10-10
Overweight too.
1 Aivias 2018-10-10
Absolutely dying at the super gross fat chick and her black kid. Why is reality so fucking stereotypical lads?
1 totalrandomperson 2018-10-10
http://www.spsp.org/news-center/blog/stereotype-accuracy-response
1 100_Percent_not_homo 2018-10-10
Probably because people who don't intend on sticking around for their kid can lower their standards significantly
1 Aivias 2018-10-10
Single mothers should be gassed
1 mesneokruglice 2018-10-10
Fuck me, is that real ghazi meetup???
1 _narrows 2018-10-10
Do you see four or more motorized scooters? No? It's not a ghazi meetup.
1 carthoris26 2018-10-10
No it's just a reddit meetup, I want to say Seattle. Here's Baltimore, might want bleach handy.
1 lnvincibility 2018-10-10
Cutie in the pink in the right just wants out
1 Quizlop 2018-10-10
The best part is how the only attractive girls don't bother to take their shirts off.
1 FaygoMakesMeGo 2018-10-10
Supply and demand at work.
1 Skyright 2018-10-10
The one with the red bra is pretty hot tbh.
1 Blinwar 2018-10-10
Baltimore 2010 census
White: 183,830 (29.6%); Black: 395,781 (63.7%)
Man, this must be the mayo-est site in existence.
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
I ship Asian guy there for free food and pink shirt girl realizing the magnitude of her regret for dating one of the weird guys.
1 wumbo17412 2018-10-10
I think it was a Kentucky meetup
1 FineLow 2018-10-10
See Evergreen College.
1 _narrows 2018-10-10
Jesus Christ, look at the gut on that fucking pig.
1 Zozbot 2018-10-10
zoz
1 Zozbot 2018-10-10
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1 Zozbot 2018-10-10
zozzle
1 2DDefenseForce 2018-10-10
Of course, all the Argentineans need to show up to prove that theyre white.
1 carthoris26 2018-10-10
Actual NY pol meetup.
1 wumbo17412 2018-10-10
look at that absolute Chad on the right
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
Man his girlfriend(male) is pretty hot!
1 callaghanrs 2018-10-10
Look at all of those receding hairlines
1 KingNothing305 2018-10-10
Someone needs to take that small child away from that hippopotamus
1 TheSubredditPolice 2018-10-10
Jesus christ, I am fat, and I don't understand how you get as big as the lady in front.
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-10-10
I see a fat white woman holding a black baby but no black man in the picture.
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-10-10
For reference:
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1486283535715s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RUmHaRK.jpg
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1486792747795.jpg
https://i.redd.it/dcn45ac3xzwy.jpg
1 dootwthesickness_II 2018-10-10
What do they define as a “progressive activist?” I’m too lazy to read the article, do my work for me plz.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
I have no clue. The headline and like two excerpts confirmed all my prejudices, and that's all that matters, tbh.
1 WhaleTaleMan 2018-10-10
I saw the words I agreed with and I clapped.
1 DerekSavageCoolCuck 2018-10-10
#MeToo, thanks.
1 Shitposting_Skeleton 2018-10-10
Blue checkmark on Twitter.
1 HueyCrashTestPilot 2018-10-10
The article doesn't even touch on their definitions. The actual study that the article is written about did give a brief overview at the start before breaking them down in detail.
Here's their summary:
1 100_Percent_not_homo 2018-10-10
But where do radical centrists stand in all this?
1 jubbergun 2018-10-10
Not in the street with signs like a bunch of filthy hippies, that's for sure.
1 zergling_Lester 2018-10-10
So, Qltists. And there are 8% of them.
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
I feel like Qltists are only the worst of the worst of them, but I'm an optimist.
1 oss_spy 2018-10-10
Where does an atheist Republican who supports gay marriage whilst believing in two genders come in?
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
The gas chambers.
1 Megazor 2018-10-10
White guilt ridden Race traitor
1 dumbwaeguk 2018-10-10
Sure, if you cluster white and (((white))) people together.
1 LadyChiyo 2018-10-10
This ariticle made me laugh so hard. Anybody could have told you that these folks are all white rich idiots...
1 MemoirsofCrime 2018-10-10
lulz
1 NormanImmanuel 2018-10-10
>devoted conservatives
>progressive activists
>most racially homogeneous
>white
Mayocide a generation ago please.
1 ShelSilverstain 2018-10-10
So you're saying people with more money and free time have more of an ability to be activists? Shocked I'll tell you
1 Memes_Be_Danking 2018-10-10
It's always guys like Steve Shives, a man who lives in a neighborhood that is 99.5% white, that are complaining about how we need "more Diversity". Otherwise you are a racist bigot.
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-10-10
Bonus points:
Fucking hell, turns out gassing the mayos may not be such a bad idea after all.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
Not defining the central topic of your study is always the sign of good research
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
Yeah, whoever conducted this ''''research'''''' was an amateur. You're not even supposed to mention 'political' or 'correctness' in the prompt, just define the concept and ask them what they think about it.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
If you're looking for a laugh, follow the link in the article to a pdf of the study's methodology. The "questions" are all over the top garbage explicitly designed to give polarized results.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
And yet most of the respondents, across racial and age groups, believe PC is bad. Not very polarized... right?
What am I missing?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
Most respondents also said hate speech is bad. Many of the questions are poorly worded and steer the more moderate respondents toward a specific answer.
1 jimmahdean 2018-10-10
I'm pretty sure most people dislike hate speech, they just know free speech >>>>>>>>>> banning hate speech.
1 Psyman2 2018-10-10
The fuck kinda conclusion is that?
1 ComedicSans 2018-10-10
The one missing chromosomes.
1 _narrows 2018-10-10
Can we have a few of your extra ones?
1 nithingpole 2018-10-10
Just one?
1 nolan1971 2018-10-10
A realistic one
1 Psyman2 2018-10-10
The fuck kinda comment is that?
1 zergling_Lester 2018-10-10
It doesn't matter if respondents end up giving different and highly correlated answers.
The worst you could say that what they measured was not actual beliefs about best policies etc but reactions to tribal identification shibboleths. But then which is more importan for politics?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
Yes, and I think the wording of the questions contributed to that. And you're right that it looks like they were measuring tribal reactions to concepts that are poorly defined but strongly identified with certain tribes. They do get an answer to that, but I think that by not defining the words for respondants they severely limit the conclusions that can be gleaned from their anwswers. So even though 80% of people think a thing is bad, you have no idea what they think the thing is. It would've been interesting to see what each group thought "political correctness" is.
1 die_rattin 2018-10-10
You do realize that these aren’t mutually contradictory things, right?
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
When you're trying to get people to answer a question that you have about them, the way that you try to get the answer can radically influence how they respond and how well their answers actually address your question. So much as giving somebody a prompt vs. asking a question and using words like 'valuable' vs. 'important' can make a huge difference. I didn't read the study because fuck that, but even asking somebody what they think about 'political correctness' doesn't actually address what they think about political correctness; it just addresses what they think about the concept of political correctness that they have. And 'political correctness' is such a hazy term that somebody could have any number of conceptions as to what it is.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
So basically "political correctness" is an empty container that anyone can fill with whatever bullshit annoys them that minute, so many (potentially the majority) of respondents are actually talking about different things when they think "PC."
Gotcha.
Hotfix: Replace the term "political correctness" with "#mayocide now," as "mayocide" conceptually encapsulates the core essence of everything associated with PC.
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
Pretty much, but I'm just talking about research methods here. When you ask somebody what they think about any term that has any sort of ambiguity or emotional baggage attached to it, you don't ask them a question with the term included in it unless you want to figure out what their understanding of the term is. For example, instead of asking 'what do you think about the living habits of millennials?' it'd be better to ask 'what do you think about the trend among young adults to prefer renting to buying property?'. It's a shitty and poorly-worded example but it kind of gets the point across.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Gotcha. And that example makes sense.
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
Here's a better one that's more subtle than the shit in this ''''study'''''' but can make a huge difference:
Say you're doing some bullshit marketing research, and a bullshit question on your survey is:
"How likely are you to use [new technology]?"
And the selections are:
How likely do you think that somebody who isn't familiar with the technology will select the 'I don't understand' option? Although many to most people who aren't familiar with the technology may choose that option, a good portion may be uncomfortable with admitting that they don't understand something (which to a lot of people makes them feel stupid). As such, it's best to replace 'I don't understand' with something more neutral like 'I'm not familiar with [new technology]'.
You can apply the same general principle to live research- if you ask somebody 'is this confusing to you?' or 'do you understand?', there's a good chance that somebody might say 'yes' even if they don't know what the fuck they're looking at because admitting that you're confused about something is uncomfortable to a lot of people. The better way to do it is to focus on the subject itself rather than the participant and give two options or an open-ended question, e.g. 'what do you think about [new technology]?' then dig in deeper based upon what they say and what you're trying to find out.
1 yeliwofthecorn 2018-10-10
Could probably dump that and somewhat into the same dumpster category, since people totally unfamiliar with the subject matter are less likely to have a strong opinion, and an opinion survey needs people to have opinions to glean useful data. Plus a 5 likert is stronger than a 5+no answer.
I think the survey did an okay job of determining that people don't like the connotations of the terms "political correctness" and "hate speech" but people on extreme ends of the political spectrum consider these to be coded terms/dog whistles.
Any claims beyond that are total malarky. But as far as what it does demonstrate, there's some value to that knowledge, even if it misrepresents it and others will cite it to create more garbage lit. reviews and misrepresentations.
1 siempreloco31 2018-10-10
Political correctness is a pejorative. It's like asking if racism is bad.
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
Honestly that would just piss me off. Given the sample size, this garbage may have cost 7 figures...
1 yeliwofthecorn 2018-10-10
Big bucks go to poorly-designed studies designed to grab headlines.
But hey, it grabbed headlines, so I guess that shit works.
1 100_Percent_not_homo 2018-10-10
Sounds like I need to change jobs tbh
1 theredhorizon 2018-10-10
As someone who works in research... no you absolutely don't. There might be one or two person at the top getting paid well but almost everyone working on this kind of study is getting minimum wage or close to it. Most of the work involved apart from designing the study is clerical. A lot of them might even be students working just for the experience/credits. I also kind of doubt this was a million dollar study. They're just surveying people not paying for expensive lab tests or something.
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
It was done by a group explicitly trying to draw the conclusion that people aren't as polarized as we appear. Honestly it's probably a good cause.
1 Pinksister 2018-10-10
It's named after someone who was murdered because of something something PC culture, right? That's your first clue.
1 dootwthesickness_II 2018-10-10
I think “political correctness” is an excellent example of one of those trigger-words that immediately makes a huge chunk of people hyper-aware of their partisan affiliation, and mentioning it early on in your survey miscolors your results.
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
Over the 3 decades or so that it's been part of the public consciousness, it's gained an extremely negative connotation despite being poorly-defined. Of course most Americans are going to react negatively towards the term.
1 rebelarch86 2018-10-10
Stephen Hawking?
1 snallygaster 2018-10-10
If the Steven Hawking was involved, then he definitely isn't familiar with research methods involving human subjects. Knowledge of research methods doesn't transfer very well across different fields, especially when it comes to life sciences vs. hard sciences.
1 ErictheRedding 2018-10-10
I found this interesting but it made me wonder if the respondents self definition was just as important, their reaction to what they believe political correctness to be. Dunno.
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-10-10
I think it sends a pretty good message:
Most people associate political correctness with something bad.
The question isn't to draw a line in the sand, it's to make sure that a line in the sand actually exists and most people think it has been crossed.
1 Thisisepicstein 2018-10-10
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1 Watermark03 2018-10-10
How the fuck is "progressive activist" defined? They still had people in the "progressive activist" group who agreed with their defining questioning "is political correctness a problem", so clearly that isn't that guage.
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-10
They made up all the groupings themselves. Also, in an impressive display of retardation, they have 3 liberal categories (only 1 of which they describe as extreme), 1 disengaged category, 1 moderate category, and 2 conservative categories (both of which they describe as extreme).
1 Momruepari 2018-10-10
it's possible that they were left leaning people who think political correctness includes "reinforcing conservative societal norms" or something.
1 regeya 2018-10-10
Honestly, if you've spent much time trolling through right wing news sites, you should. For people angry about political correctness they sure do get offended a lot.
1 Mexagon 2018-10-10
Oh so now you faggots are whining about polls.
1 allendrio 2018-10-10
Lol and now you guys accept literally any poll, ITT people who dont understand highschool level statistics, not all polls were created equal.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Sssshhhhh, this poll tells me things i agree with and makes life sublimely ironic so don't you dare ruin this fucking moment for me.
Don't you dare.
1 allendrio 2018-10-10
this is the sort of never ending retardation that made pizzashill stop serious posting.
1 regeya 2018-10-10
Heh, a few years ago I got cold called by pollsters before an election. They gave me the name of a conservative thinktank. Their script started with, "Can you believe what the liberals are doing now?" I just hung up.
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-10
Same happened to me, but instead of hanging up I teleported behind him, tipped my fedora, and said “nothing personnel, kiddo”, before slicing him with my thousand times folded steel katana.
1 regeya 2018-10-10
So what you're saying is that you don't think that happened. That pollsters wouldn't try reeeeeally hard to get the results they want.
Ok.
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-10
No, I believe it. I’m telling you what happened when they tried to coerce my opinion over the phone. They were met with my Glorious katana, made from nippon steel folded over 10,000 times, sending them to an early grave.
“Another polltard rekt” is what I utter every time I jerk off to the thought of that glorious day.
1 Oh_hamburgers_ 2018-10-10
The rich mayo cries out in sympathy as he strikes himself.
1 LadyChiyo 2018-10-10
Bravo.
1 PoopShopBoys 2018-10-10
Imagine moi shawck!
1 Lupusvorax 2018-10-10
I just slapped this article up on politics, the results are to be expected.
1 Momruepari 2018-10-10
I just popped in there. Some Snappy and Bussyshill worthy responses
1 NULL_CHAR 2018-10-10
I decided to take a look. I don't know what I expected.
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-10
don’t you know pc culture just means not being a thoughtless douchebag and having basic decency and respect for others?
1 rationalhuckleberry 2018-10-10
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
Link it you shitsack.
1 Lupusvorax 2018-10-10
Mods deleted it yesterday
1 Yiin 2018-10-10
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n5j36/americans_strongly_dislike_pc_culture/
Surprisingly high number of comments for such a low score. Not being in line with general America must be a trigger for the politist.
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-10-10
This seriously explains why progressives don't seem to be giving a flying fuck about class consiousness. And correct me if I'm wrong, but if this applies to the other countries as well, then the higher their economical inequality is, the more polarized it'll be.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Tb100%h, this poll doesn't explain shit, except that people who REALLY, REALLY like political correctness (it's most broad definition, anyway) are mostly rich egghead mayos, and that's good enough for me.
1 rebelarch86 2018-10-10
This poll is a study that is 160 pages long. Comment after looking at the study not the article about the study.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-10
No one gives a fuck about 'class consciousness' except spergy white males in their 20s who feel overqualified for their starbucks job.
1 Abdul_Alhazred2018AD 2018-10-10
Lmao basement dwellers calling other people sperg's cause they got bills to pay
1 RainbowEffingDash 2018-10-10
I think this is somewhat along those lines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient
1 dootwthesickness_II 2018-10-10
Jesus H. Christ though, that picture of Cap’n and the bald dude ... mayos, left and right, are truly the source of all evil in the world today.
1 jruss71 2018-10-10
wow maybe rednecks are the working class
1 no_maps_no_plans 2018-10-10
Native americans, the most oppressed minority, are the most based and redpilled?
top zozzle
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
I've lost track of which timeline we're currently in, so sure.
1 jmac323 2018-10-10
Gasp!
1 Killer_B_Cell 2018-10-10
I’m leaving this place. It’s useless.
1 Anarcho_Autism 2018-10-10
Found the upper-middle class, over-educated MAYO
YUCKYUCKYUCKYUCK
1 Killer_B_Cell 2018-10-10
I’m African American and a centrist... mmhhh try again sweety
1 EarnestNoMeta 2018-10-10
bye Felicia
1 OverHereItIsNice 2018-10-10
LELELELELEL!! They out trolled themselves stupid fooks. hahaha
1 azriel777 2018-10-10
Pretty much what I have been saying for a while. Bored rich white people who costed through life off mom and dad's money, who never had to struggle for anything or work a real job (if they got a job, it is through social connections and not merit) who have a distorted view of the world thanks to their sheltered lives.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-10
It's status signalling. In previous times they would go spend a week helping lepers or write letters about the conditions at orphanages or something. It's just the upper strata of society competing with each other over who is the most charitable and virtuous.
1 ValeryIrinei 2018-10-10
Ted Kaczynski was right when he said leftists would invent causes to rally behind, even where there is none.
1 RassimoFlom 2018-10-10
“Over educated”
That’s a telling phrase if there ever was one.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-10
No such thing as being 'over educated'. Over credentialed, over indoctrinated, under real-world experienced, sure.
1 nithingpole 2018-10-10
There are people who can for the most retarded idea into logic with zero thought if it's going to work irl. They do great on tests but fail at life
1 Protista_of_Peace 2018-10-10
Of course, it's the academic left that's bringing down what progressivism could be. This is known.
1 NAGOLACOLA 2018-10-10
“Overly educated”
1 allendrio 2018-10-10
I cant remember the last time i saw rightoids talking about literally anything other than idpol (burgerstani rightoids im aware other countries are capable of not being autistic 100% of the time)
1 1537569458 2018-10-10
obsessed
1 bamename 2018-10-10
IMAGINE MYY SHAWWCK
1 SonyXboxNintendo11 2018-10-10
Poor people live in a world where violence and poverty are problems, not homophobia or racism.
1 MemoirsofCrime 2018-10-10
Of course it depends on what political operative created the poll and with what questions and with what intent. For example, are BLM activists included in "progressive activists"?
Well obviously they are not since statistics wouldn't be such. Also it seems it was directed at universities themselves.
People from underprivileged groups that get into especially l33t universities tend to themselves be either very privileged, very focused or feel very grateful and so do not engage as much in political activism.
1 nithingpole 2018-10-10
You guys are so predictable. Literally everyone knows what a progressive activist looks like. But sure shoehorn in "unions" to act like those people are the ones using words like "intersectionality" or voting based on bathrooms
1 MemoirsofCrime 2018-10-10
fugee! Persecute! Kill the heretic!
1 regeya 2018-10-10
I just want to know what kind of lives most people live that PC culture affects them regularly. I live in a college town, and at most I might have some butch looking chick get huffy about me holding a door open for her.
1 abacas_sq 2018-10-10
Lol... Over 100k is rich? Move to a city on the coast. $100k is poor.
1 TheLordHighExecu 2018-10-10
We found one in this thread
1 abacas_sq 2018-10-10
Not woke and not poor. These articles cut stats to say whatever they want it to say. The majority of people making over 100k are young, recent grads living in large coastal cities with no resources.
Move into a higher tax bracket and the picture is much different.
1 TheLordHighExecu 2018-10-10
100k is almost the 90% quantile in America. I don't know if describing them as young helps your case, because they're probably only going to earn more as they age.
Except for 100k a year, you idiot
1 abacas_sq 2018-10-10
Doesn't even cover expenses. Decent 1bdrm apartments in NYC or SF runs 4k a month. Taxes are 35%. Do the math. That isn't rich.
Again, just because 100k is rich in whatever terrible state you live in doesn't mean it's a substantial amount of money to people who matter.
1 TheLordHighExecu 2018-10-10
Housing is more expensive in cities because it's more valuable to live in cities -- more connections, more art, more ramen joints. This contradicts your "no resources" point as well
1 abacas_sq 2018-10-10
Ramen joints aren't a resource unless you own it. 😂
Income is not the same thing as wealth. Income only makes you rich if you can save it. People making 100k a year in SF and NY are not saving any money, ergo they are poor like you.
Personal question - do you own or have you ever owned an above ground pool?
1 bobbybigstuff 2018-10-10
They have so much white privilege that they’re able to trash the streets while the black man is working. Smh
1 siempreloco31 2018-10-10
If they're rich, they aren't over-educated. They're just better than you.
1 fvckconservatives 2018-10-10
I particularly like this statement:
It’s almost like...nuance is a thing that exists! Who would have thought??
1 Chauncy_Prime 2018-10-10
Progressive Activists are not getting STEM degrees. Being classified as "highly educated" is a misnomer. They have degrees in Humanities and Liberal Arts.
1 Megazor 2018-10-10
We used to call them race traitors lol
1 Megazor 2018-10-10
Bernie can still win! Match me!
1 MelonScore 2018-10-10
Who could have seen this coming?
1 aqouta 2018-10-10
Radical centrism is our guiding light.
1 ToTheNintieth 2018-10-10
Wait, so centrists are the silent majority? Now I feel unoppressed. I don't like it.
1 1029384756-mk2 2018-10-10
Fucking hell, turns out gassing the mayos may not be such a bad idea after all.