I don't give a fuck how much you call your flimsy delusions "enlightenment." There is no amount of ceaseless self-deception that will make you accept the charred hellscape of being a miserable useless destitute fucking junkie piece of shit. You know what you are, and it is deeply ugly on every level.
wow look at this leftist pedo who... is awkward about being affectionate with children on camera. it must surely be that he is such a pedo deviant that he can't help molesting them while being filmed for footage that millions of people are going to see
um sweaty please dont bring up this politician that actually dates 14 year olds
idk what you want from me, im not interested in defending clinton cause he probably is a freak, but thats fine cause he was hot and the women wanted it
Only if you think anyone to the left of Hannity is a leftist... I guess.. But you're just using it as a pejorative... Politics is full of a bunch of milquetoast liberals, not leftists. Get some nuance.
I don’t think everyone making this out to be the one instance Biden publicly molested a child is being honest with themselves.
Is this happened one time it would be news. There are hundreds, if not thousands of accounts of him touching children in weird ways. I think he gets off on the exhibitionist nature of his molestations tbh
Ugh, I'm just so tired of all the deflecting, projection, gaslighting, sealioning, and strawmanning on this supposed bastion of political discourse, r/drama.
I'm going to get destroyed for this, but we should not use the same word for someone who finds a 14 year old who has boobs and stuff attractive as someone who finds a 7 year old attractive.
When people scream 'pedo!' at someone who finds a 16 year old attractive it has a dual effect of watering down the meaning of the word, and demonizing normal sexuality.
For pretty much all of human history grown men married teenage girls. In our sexually liberated age, we do not want grown men fucking 15 year olds, so we ban the whole thing, and then people try to warp their opinions and lizard brain to convince themselves they don't find physically mature females attractive.
It's a lie. You're all liars. You're all posturing. Unless you are gay, your brain reacts a certain way. That doesn't mean I want adults fucking 14 year olds, but we need to drop this charade, it's harmful to people.
Yeah I'll delete it. I'll talk about lies about racism etc but this is one topic I don't really want to touch, there is no way to come out looking good even if you're just trying to speak the truth.
If it was not Moore and it was a clean candidate it would have been a massive slam dunk for GOP in Alabama. Obviously his behavior affected the voting.
If it was not Moore and it was a clean candidate it would have been a massive slam dunk for GOP in Alabama. Obviously his behavior affected the voting.
Oh most definitely.
The right NOT voting for him is specifically why he lost.
That’s the main reason he lost but we’re probably talking like 50 ish k republican voters that either didn’t even bother to vote or (and I’m sure it’s a very small minority) crossed the aisle and voted for doug Jones. Another reason he lost was because black voters turned out in higher numbers than predicted. https://i.imgur.com/4JOBNFI.jpg
He was clean. Just like Kavanaugh. When fabricated nonsense dragged up from 30 years ago worked to destroy Moore, everyone knew it would just be a matter of time before they pulled that card again for every new person they wanted to destroy. Really glad we nipped this in the bud with Kavanaugh, could you imagine if it had worked? Things would never return to anything close to sanity, politics would be lost and it would trickle downstream to everyday life as well. Flake is an American hero.
The Moore thing had even less evidence for that than Biden or Pizzagate. I should just turn your logic around and you and show how irrational you are being.
You guys cry about how crazy people are for thinking Hillary and Podesta are creeps, then immediately belief Kavanaugh or Moore is based on even less.
The Moore thing had even less evidence than Biden or Pizzagate
Which literally had no evidence aside from a circle jerk that kept straying further and further down the rabbit hole.
I should just turn your logic around and you and show how irrational you are being.
HOLY shit how the fuck can i argue with a man with that unbeatable logic? It's like you're a mix of ben shapiro and jordan peeterson.
You guys cry about how stupid people are for thinking Hillary and Podesta are creeps, then immediately 100% believe everything about Kavanaugh or Moore based on even less.
im actually intelligent enough to know both sides are fucking idiots who will believe what they want.
Which literally had no evidence aside from a circle jerk that kept straying further and further down the rabbit hole.
You had adults talking in coded language about prebusecent children, being REALLY excited about 'getting them in hot tubs', getting REALLY excited over 'pasta', you had creepy ass pedophilic art, you had Hillary's baglady getting busted while trying to smuggle Haitian children into the US, you have a long precedent of this sort of thing happening.
I'm not saying I know anything for certain, but you have to be very willfully blind to look at all that and say with certainty there is nothing there.
im actually intelligent enough to know both sides are fucking idiots who will believe what they want.
But that's literally what you just did. Said Moore was guilty in the same breathe as pizzagate is retarded.
You had adults talking in coded language about prebusecent children
Don't think those emails mentioned prebusecent children buddy. fairly certain they were about drugs at worst. You're an idiot.
you had Hillary's baglady getting busted while trying to smuggle Haitian children into the US, Obama ordering 60 thousand dollars of 'hot dogs', you
LMAO imagine believing this and using it as proof. trumptards truly have no self awarness. How about the fuck trump openly talked about 16 year old girls and tried to break in into an underage padgent lockeroom? that's not proof but those tardy emails are tottaly proof that obama raped young boys? LMAO retard
Pizzagate is obviously retarded. It's level 1 retard. Moore actually has validatity.
Moore admitted he was going after girls so young he was asking their mothers for permission on national TV. Christ at least know what you’re talking about.
Guys, Moore was an Ephebophilia, Which is having primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.
Biden is more of your classical pedo targeting elementary school aged children.
I'm a fairly left wing guy, and I thought it was absolutely creepy as fuck what Joe is doing, really hard to see it as anything other than sexual assault
There were literally republicans on live TV claiming Moore had consent from the girls mother so it was "ok" and another one claimed the bible justified it:
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He was in a fraternity at Yale. There's no way he didn't fuck around. You on the other hand shitpost on drama for 17 hours a day. I know which one I'd pick to be there incel.
Hmmmm, could he have been motivated to lie? And you still haven't addressed the claims for your inceldom. Do you have the balls to admit your virginity?
Sorry Buttertoast but being a butthurt libby Anti Daddy Defense Force member doesn't mean you're ever right! You lose again and again it is time to stop!
What an adorable little Marxist faggot. Just have to shoehorn race and identity politics into every little thing that exists, don’t you?
I’m not even white and I walked away from the Democrats two years ago. Shitty party, shitty leadership, and an increasingly shitty platform. But I’m guessing you think I’m just a no-good Uncle Tom now? If you believe that, YOU’RE the racist, who thinks I owe an unapologetic allegiance to the Democrats because of my skin color and are now sweating because I’m not wasting my time wearing a pussy hat and protesting fake problems.
You offer no solutions, no finesse to your appeal, just bigot this, Hitler that, or whatever the fuck else you people come up with. And yet you still think the #WalkAway movement is fake? Get the fuck over yourself.
Your party will never win another election again. This, I promise you.
Sure, I'll also bring three people who will deny what I said and actually contradict it as well as. Oh and I will also forget all relevant details like time and place.
I meant evidence against Moore. Haven't really followed the evidence against Kavanaugh because I thought he'd be unfit for the job even if he was innocent.
Yes and in the real world we require something called proof in order to be believed. Oh it seems you raped three people last week, since this allegation is out I hope you will step down from your job.
Are all of your shitty arguments poorly formed and in bad faith? I don't work on the fuckin supreme court plebby. Go play daddy d force elsewhere.
Allegations being false or true aside - dude lied when being questioned and was incredibly partisan... He sounded like one of you tards crying about the Clinton conspiracy at every turn. Fake judge.
Okay okay, it's really weird and creepy. If sexual assault allegations end up coming out against him, it'll be disappointing definitely but not all that surprising. And if/when that happens, the left will vilify him and rightly so. That's what they do. Like Franken resigning almost immediatley over a relatively harmless accusation.
Shit, I didn't know that. Honestly I hadn't heard of this guy before you mentioned him so I did a quick google, and obviously missed this.
Well if this is true then this guy is a prick. If this gets proven I very much hope he gets voted out and charge with a crime.
Considering the Republican party hold every branch of government, if there's a solid case here I'm sure they'll come out all guns drawn. So I guess we'll see what happens.
We'll see if the left "drops" him like you said given the accusation. I personally think they won't drop him, they'll actually promote him to one of their next Presidential candidates
I hope that the left takes that woman's word seriously and doesn't leave it up to voters or police. If he's ever elevated to candidate level for the Dems (and as head of the DNC he's close) it will show that they're hypocrites who don't believe women
They went after him despite zero confirmation and when it was investigated and cleared, they still say he's a sexual assaulter. They should apply those same standards to their own leaders like Ellison or else they're hypocrites. Damn you're slow.
With that week long severely limited (admitted by the FBI themselves) investigation? They weren't even allowed to interview any of the corroborating witnesses, so how can you factually say if the 4 witnesses who publicly corroborate the story would hold up in a court of law?
I said it then and I'll say it now. He lost his wife and 1 year old daughter to a car accident. This is the kind of thing that ruins you for life.
In that context, this touching is more of a sweet sorrow than creepy. Anything can be construed as creepy if you frame it in a certain way. Even something as monotonous as a diaper change.
I wouldnt, and couldn't ever, imagine what its like to lose a wife and young child. That said, public politics are like this and you cant excuse away any weird touching such as this.
I dunno. If you can't keep your hands off children due to issues in your past then maybe you should not be in situations where you are around children or at minimum around children and cameras?
Just because some kid is autistic doesn't mean it's okay for him to run around punching and spitting on people. I mean, I get why he's doing it, doesn't mean it's okay.
I was being overly combative, you can be affectionate toward children and it does not mean it's sexual. Some people just have some seriously unhealthy views about sex and interacting with people
How dare you say that about Daddy! Next you’ll be suggesting that both Biden and Daddy have weird looking hair. Not true, Daddy has wonderful hair. The best hair.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-10-11
I don't give a fuck how much you call your flimsy delusions "enlightenment." There is no amount of ceaseless self-deception that will make you accept the charred hellscape of being a miserable useless destitute fucking junkie piece of shit. You know what you are, and it is deeply ugly on every level.
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1 VictorProjects 2018-10-11
This bot is fucking sentient.
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
and fucking brutal.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
o i am laffin
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
It does seem creepy how he's overly touchy with children. Like if it was my daughter i'd be like that's not ok.
That being said the right defintely blew this out of proportion while at the same time voting for rey "let me didle your 14 year old daughter" moore
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
dont try to deflect
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
deflecting IS centrism. We only touch children a little
1 mob16151 2018-10-11
We only touch children a little
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We only touch little children.
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FTFY
1 GIGGA_SAND_NIGGA 2018-10-11
You RC radical centrism bro?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Calling out hypocrisy is now deflection. Lol @ the absolute state of MAGAcels
1 22333444455555666666 2018-10-11
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
1 22333444455555666666 2018-10-11
is this whats considered a good reply in /r/jordanpeterson? might want to stay there bud, drama is for the intellectual adults 😎
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
keep them coming
1 22333444455555666666 2018-10-11
idk what you want from me, im not interested in defending clinton cause he probably is a freak, but thats fine cause he was hot and the women wanted it
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
i un-ironically agree with you, cheers
1 Wordshark 2018-10-11
What about Juanita?
1 vicedets 2018-10-11
BILL CLINTON IS A RAPIST INFOWARS.COM
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
i think happended when i was like 6 years old. So i dont know if im qualified to comment on all the nuances of the case. By nuances i mean rape.
1 shallowm 2018-10-11
He cucked his wife and she still stayed with him. He's an absolute Chad.
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
Wait until you hear about Dennis hastert... Anyways, go off yourself.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
I mention one guy and youre tirggered? damn you leftists are thin skinned
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
I mention one actual pedo and now I'm a leftist? Sure thing pedo
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
Only if you think anyone to the left of Hannity is a leftist... I guess.. But you're just using it as a pejorative... Politics is full of a bunch of milquetoast liberals, not leftists. Get some nuance.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
Hannity is a moron, so i guess we can agree there
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-11
The absolute state of non-centrists
1 DistortedLines 2018-10-11
Leftits PWNED epic style
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
delete your account smh
1 vicedets 2018-10-11
where do you think you are
1 22333444455555666666 2018-10-11
also anything bill clinton does is fine because the idea of him sticking a cigar in my bussy is pretty hot
1 throwaway-familyhelp 2018-10-11
Literally
1 ObsessedAussie 2018-10-11
Smokin' hawt
1 Kat_B0T 2018-10-11
I don’t think everyone making this out to be the one instance Biden publicly molested a child is being honest with themselves.
Is this happened one time it would be news. There are hundreds, if not thousands of accounts of him touching children in weird ways. I think he gets off on the exhibitionist nature of his molestations tbh
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
https://youtu.be/k4XMvWIRmx0
1 DistortedLines 2018-10-11
God what a moron
1 Kat_B0T 2018-10-11
True radical centrists are against molesting children! Reeeeeeeeeeee
1 EarnestNoMeta 2018-10-11
ew ew ew ew ew
1 rockidol 2018-10-11
So at what point in the video do you consider it molesting?
1 ConfuseTheJews 2018-10-11
she's just staring ahead waiting for this guy to stop pawing her
politicians should be kept away from the public
1 MrGoodieMob 2018-10-11
🅱️ill Clinton never went on Howard Stern and said he’d fuck his own daughter
1 throwaway-familyhelp 2018-10-11
I don't think anyone would fuck Chelsea
1 preserved_fish 2018-10-11
Everybody here would fuck a 2x4 with a hole in it. Chelsea would be a triumph.
1 preserved_fish 2018-10-11
Everybody here would fuck a 2x4 with a hole in it. Chelsea would be a triumph.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-10-11
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
THEYRE THE SAME THING!!!
1 ErictheRedding 2018-10-11
“Don’t deflect from this possibly questionable behavior I am adamantly condemning to the actual child fucking which I 💯 % endorses, libtard!”
1 ABigBigThug 2018-10-11
Ugh, I'm just so tired of all the deflecting, projection, gaslighting, sealioning, and strawmanning on this supposed bastion of political discourse, r/drama.
1 BigBrownDog12 2018-10-11
1 CholentPot 2018-10-11
Genuflect...
Priestly touching.
1 Wheretheflowersgrow 2018-10-11
Exactly these people could give a shit about pedo if it's their guy, yeah I know hot take.
1 xthek 2018-10-11
Nobody cares about sexual abuse unless the person in question is a political adversary. Accepting this is a core tenet of true centrism.
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-10-11
The only true post in this entire thread.
1 Wheretheflowersgrow 2018-10-11
☹🙁☹ it tried man.
1 piplechef 2018-10-11
Tell that to Gary Glitter.
1 Sir_Green_Britches 2018-10-11
He should have run for office, he'd have been fine.
1 stupidillusion 2018-10-11
Everything is okay if you do it in the office/church!
1 FreeIceCreen 2018-10-11
Does centrism mean we care about all the abuse or none of it?
1 SilentPizzaKiller 2018-10-11
only half of it obviously
1 nozoth 2018-10-11
Both you mongrel
1 Automaticus 2018-10-11
Nah wiener got dunked by being a perve while Republicans just call all rapists victims of a conspiracy
1 Nobody_Likes_Shy_Guy 2018-10-11
There is a difference between accusations and documented evidence of Biden molesting kids
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
I'm going to get destroyed for this, but we should not use the same word for someone who finds a 14 year old who has boobs and stuff attractive as someone who finds a 7 year old attractive.
When people scream 'pedo!' at someone who finds a 16 year old attractive it has a dual effect of watering down the meaning of the word, and demonizing normal sexuality.
For pretty much all of human history grown men married teenage girls. In our sexually liberated age, we do not want grown men fucking 15 year olds, so we ban the whole thing, and then people try to warp their opinions and lizard brain to convince themselves they don't find physically mature females attractive.
It's a lie. You're all liars. You're all posturing. Unless you are gay, your brain reacts a certain way. That doesn't mean I want adults fucking 14 year olds, but we need to drop this charade, it's harmful to people.
1 somegurk 2018-10-11
I know we aren't supposed to do this anymore but ya know I really think you should keep yourself safe.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
Yeah I'll delete it. I'll talk about lies about racism etc but this is one topic I don't really want to touch, there is no way to come out looking good even if you're just trying to speak the truth.
1 Wheretheflowersgrow 2018-10-11
I get that this is pasta, but if anyone believes, even a little bit of this. You know what has to happen.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-10-11
They right voted for him? There is a reason a Democrat won in Alabama. The reason is Moore.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-10-11
Well 650,436 rightoids voted for him or 48.4% of all voters
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-10-11
If it was not Moore and it was a clean candidate it would have been a massive slam dunk for GOP in Alabama. Obviously his behavior affected the voting.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-10-11
Oh most definitely.
That’s the main reason he lost but we’re probably talking like 50 ish k republican voters that either didn’t even bother to vote or (and I’m sure it’s a very small minority) crossed the aisle and voted for doug Jones. Another reason he lost was because black voters turned out in higher numbers than predicted. https://i.imgur.com/4JOBNFI.jpg
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-10-11
Ok in that case we don't really disagree.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
He was clean. Just like Kavanaugh. When fabricated nonsense dragged up from 30 years ago worked to destroy Moore, everyone knew it would just be a matter of time before they pulled that card again for every new person they wanted to destroy. Really glad we nipped this in the bud with Kavanaugh, could you imagine if it had worked? Things would never return to anything close to sanity, politics would be lost and it would trickle downstream to everyday life as well. Flake is an American hero.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-10-11
Why is Flake a hero?
1 Kochroach 2018-10-11
I see that Daddy is your daddy but Lobster Daddy is also your daddy.
Isn't that akin to sort of "leftist degeneracy?"
1 KameraadLenin 2018-10-11
compared to how many leftoids who voted for biden
1 Mexagon 2018-10-11
And 300k ca voters voted for a gun trafficker even after he was convicted of trafficking guns, so I don't get your point here.
1 Strictlybutters 2018-10-11
Lmao did they vote for victor bout or am I missing something?
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-11
Lmao Roy Moore lost because Republicans didn’t come out to vote for him, not because dems are super strong in Alabama.
1 cleverseneca 2018-10-11
Rule 1
Read it
Live it.
1 alexmikli 2018-10-11
Who reads rules?
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
The Roy Moore thing was as made up as the Kavanaugh thing.
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
Yeah but biden is tottaly a pedo and part of #pizzagate. But no way someone like moore is a creep, right?
You know they were made up because you and your magatards discuessed it and came to the unbiased facts to know the truth. Btw trump is a serial rapist
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
The Moore thing had even less evidence for that than Biden or Pizzagate. I should just turn your logic around and you and show how irrational you are being.
You guys cry about how crazy people are for thinking Hillary and Podesta are creeps, then immediately belief Kavanaugh or Moore is based on even less.
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
Which literally had no evidence aside from a circle jerk that kept straying further and further down the rabbit hole.
HOLY shit how the fuck can i argue with a man with that unbeatable logic? It's like you're a mix of ben shapiro and jordan peeterson.
im actually intelligent enough to know both sides are fucking idiots who will believe what they want.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
You had adults talking in coded language about prebusecent children, being REALLY excited about 'getting them in hot tubs', getting REALLY excited over 'pasta', you had creepy ass pedophilic art, you had Hillary's baglady getting busted while trying to smuggle Haitian children into the US, you have a long precedent of this sort of thing happening.
I'm not saying I know anything for certain, but you have to be very willfully blind to look at all that and say with certainty there is nothing there.
But that's literally what you just did. Said Moore was guilty in the same breathe as pizzagate is retarded.
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
Don't think those emails mentioned prebusecent children buddy. fairly certain they were about drugs at worst. You're an idiot.
LMAO imagine believing this and using it as proof. trumptards truly have no self awarness. How about the fuck trump openly talked about 16 year old girls and tried to break in into an underage padgent lockeroom? that's not proof but those tardy emails are tottaly proof that obama raped young boys? LMAO retard
Pizzagate is obviously retarded. It's level 1 retard. Moore actually has validatity.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
You think wrong. They might have been about drugs, but they also mention kids.
I'm guessing you know even less about this than pizzagate. There never was any 'validity'.
1 thedicktwist 2018-10-11
well if they were about children then they wouldn't have mentioned children would they?
I'm guessing you also yell bell clinton is a rapist while unironically supporting trump?
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2018-10-11
Moore admitted he was going after girls so young he was asking their mothers for permission on national TV. Christ at least know what you’re talking about.
1 PoopShowPass 2018-10-11
Guys, Moore was an Ephebophilia, Which is having primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.
Biden is more of your classical pedo targeting elementary school aged children.
1 ask_about_my_hentai 2018-10-11
I'm a fairly left wing guy, and I thought it was absolutely creepy as fuck what Joe is doing, really hard to see it as anything other than sexual assault
1 FrankGoreStoleMyBike 2018-10-11
I really feel bad that you live in the world that you do.
1 Chaotic_Narwhal 2018-10-11
Roy Moore lost though...
1 IDFSHILL 2018-10-11
There were literally republicans on live TV claiming Moore had consent from the girls mother so it was "ok" and another one claimed the bible justified it:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/roy-moore-joseph-and-mary/index.html
These situations are not in any way comparable, both sides are not the same.
One literally tried to justify pedophilia and the other didn't care about a creepy old guy maybe getting too close.
1 Pepperglue 2018-10-11
I've been seeing you on this sub more and more. Did you finally got sick of SRSSucks?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
and no one was surprised
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
this is a false stereotype
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
That's like saying male feminists aren't rapists, gamers aren't incels, MGTOWs aren't incels in denial and TERFs aren't femcels
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
as a weeb I can tell you that most of us are indeed not pedos
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Oh no bb.
1 Luvs_to_splooge_ 2018-10-11
Because she’s actually a 5000 year old vampire, right?
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
nah, my waifu is a squid of unknown age (so probably legal)
1 SassuWunnu 2018-10-11
Has Azusa-chan been forgotten?
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
no but it's complicated :(
1 SassuWunnu 2018-10-11
Your honesty is commendable.
I was curious to know if you withhold yourself from looking up doujinshi where she is included or don't you mind doing so?
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
For Azusa? I've definitely looked up doujins with her, e.g. the Azus@ttack ones were pretty good and I also like yuri ones with other Keions.
1 error404brain 2018-10-11
honey why do you lie to yourself ?
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
she might be
1 Destirigon 2018-10-11
There's no way the squid girl is legal dude.
and that's a good thing1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
There's a non-zero chance, I'm an optimist
1 Destirigon 2018-10-11
Why do you even care. You don't need to stick to the 500 year old dragon lolis, the underage ones are fine too.
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
Personally I'm fine mostly fine with both
1 Destirigon 2018-10-11
Don't make my waifu older, that's insulting.
SMH people these days.
1 Quizlop 2018-10-11
Maybe not pedos, but all weebs are sexual deviants.
1 YameteOtosanItai 2018-10-11
that's fair
1 Fr33_Lax 2018-10-11
At least you didn't bring up furrys.
1 le_epic_xd 2018-10-11
You're not far off from it
1 LightUmbra 2018-10-11
Says the pedo weeb
1 alexmikli 2018-10-11
This is drama that's what we do
1 wwaalleess 2018-10-11
Not all pedos are weebs, but all weebs are pedos.
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-10-11
I take issue with this. I just like power fantasy nerd shit. Don’t group me in with loli loving, pillow humping, faggots.
1 error404brain 2018-10-11
Surething, pedo.
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-10-11
You’re French so I’m not sure why you think you can accuse anyone of anything.
1 error404brain 2018-10-11
In frogtopia, we don't fuck kids. That's why I think I can accuse you.
1 Sober_Sloth 2018-10-11
France is literally where rich pedophiles go to live their lives without threat of law enforcement. You people are literally as gross as you smell.
1 error404brain 2018-10-11
Polanski did nothing wrong, tbh.
1 GrenouilleLaide 2018-10-11
J'accuse!
1 d4ddyd54m4 2018-10-11
Weebs need to die asap
1 TRAPLORD_MILKY 2018-10-11
I'm not a pedo because I self-insert as the loli
1 DistortedLines 2018-10-11
🤔
1 Momruepari 2018-10-11
please rope
1 wwaalleess 2018-10-11
Huh
1 Medibee 2018-10-11
A dissertation's worth of physiological baggage.
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-10-11
Somehow you've proven yourself more degenerate than weebs. May want to consider all choices forthe future.
1 J-osh 2018-10-11
But anime is awesome!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
🤢🤮 YIKES!! 🤮🤢
1 J-osh 2018-10-11
:(
1 Matues49 2018-10-11
rapefugees aren't even trying to pretend at this point
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
Do you have a license to be posting here, m8?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Still doesn't excuse your Memerson KIA tier autism 🤢🤢🤮🤮
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Lol here comes Ed defending his seriousposter alt
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Nice try, newfag
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Oh ed, you don't recognize me?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Literally who? 😴😴😴
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Ask kip kip
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
I'll pass.
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Lol c'mon you're gonna stop talking to yourself now?
1 Matues49 2018-10-11
Prob Eva. They have the same sense of autistic, unwarranted self importance.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
All i want is to have IvankaTrumpisMyWaifu back in my arms 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
See ed/kippot/your likely singular user, you can do it!
And nice paradox. If it's unwarranted, you wouldn't have been able to name... This person lol.
Also... Peep the acronym
1 Matues49 2018-10-11
So this is what paranoid schizophrenia looks like. Kinda lamer than in the movies.
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Alexa, what does it mean to be facetious?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Alexa, how to perform a 782 week abortion?
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
You replied with the wrong alt!!!11!!1
1 -Steve_French- 2018-10-11
What a retard, he doesn't even have an e-celebrity account 🤮🤮🤮
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
The point is that he's somebody salty alt. The numbers are just proof of that.
You'd have to be a massively insure autist to care about how much karma other people have.
Nice try, lol
1 -Steve_French- 2018-10-11
Excuse me sweaty, I have a 10 year old Reddit account so show some respect 😘😘😘
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Nah dummy this is my main now. I became a leddit outlaw!
1 Dogcheese- 2018-10-11
Heckin good meme frendo! I also enjoy the le epic Britain 1984 memers🤪. Have you per chance heard the legendary swedistan meme? I hear it’s the new hip thing to own those es jay dubbleyous with!
1 EarnestNoMeta 2018-10-11
woof
1 Mother_Jabubu 2018-10-11
Imagine being this mad
1 Dogcheese- 2018-10-11
Daddy Defense Force ASSEMBLE!
1 Van-Diemen 2018-10-11
Mad
1 BristledJohnnies 2018-10-11
Womp womp
1 pepperouchau 2018-10-11
Loicense* god you suck at this
1 E_G_Never 2018-10-11
He's an agendaposter, he sucks at everything
1 -Steve_French- 2018-10-11
What does Jordan Beterson have to say about pedophillia? Is it okay if you clean their room first?
1 Chicup 2018-10-11
Complains about KIA and CA
Posts in SRD and /r/politics
1 Arbys_Official 2018-10-11
Is a pedophile
1 Arbys_Official 2018-10-11
Finds children sexy
1 I_love_racist_jokes 2018-10-11
what's wrong with that
1 allendrio 2018-10-11
jesus DDF sure does get riled up by what is essentially a directory of news articles that only bans for uncivil spergouts.
1 Van-Diemen 2018-10-11
/r/politics is one of the most genuinely unintelligent boards on Reddit, everyone, left or right, should be embarrassed to associate with it.
1 allendrio 2018-10-11
sure sweaty
1 The_Bum_Diaries 2018-10-11
RapefugeesTM is already in use for a different group of people, thanks.
1 Mrtheliger 2018-10-11
U mad bro. Square up man, 1v1 me
1 Ritthy 2018-10-11
If u post In KIA or CA ur certified by the APA to be retarded. It’s the facts sorry
1 Manchu_Fist 2018-10-11
Gotta love the cognitive dissonance of the left when they say kavanaugh is a rapist but good ol creepy uncle Joe is a'ok!
1 ry8919 2018-10-11
No ones accusing him of rape...
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
Uhhhh being creepy = being accused of rape? Vote Roy Moore!
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Oh well in that case Joe raped me. He is now guilty by leftist logic!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
SEETHE harder lmao.
Imagine unironically whiteknighting for an incel like Kavanaugh
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
Does incel even mean anything anymore? He's married with kids. How is that an incel?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
He was an incel. He's still an incel in spirit. It's just that somewhere around post graduation, he lowered his standards and some of his autism
P.S: I LOVE BEER!!!!!
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
Lol. Ed, if not having sex in highschool is all it takes to make you an incel, we'll have to come up with a new word for your amount loneliness.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
and you're like
Lolololol incels on r/drama really look out for their employed bros on the outside.
damn, haven't been owned this EPIC STYLE in quite a while 😓
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
He was in a fraternity at Yale. There's no way he didn't fuck around. You on the other hand shitpost on drama for 17 hours a day. I know which one I'd pick to be there incel.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
yet he still doesn't have the balls to admit that he fucked around.
Imagine saying somebody got laid even though they say he didn't just because REEEEEEEEE
Lmao @ you buddy. Lmao
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
Hmmmm, could he have been motivated to lie? And you still haven't addressed the claims for your inceldom. Do you have the balls to admit your virginity?
1 PoopShowPass 2018-10-11
Yeah there is some major projection going on here, clearly.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
All this whiteknighting for an incel who's a stranger to you? TOP YIKES !!
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
You think I'm white knighting for a fratty douche? No Ed, I'm just calling you out for being the thing you hate.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
I LOVE BEEEEEEERRRRR!! 🍺🤪
1 alphetasauce 2018-10-11
Cute. You're so zany.
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-11
You die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain😰😰🤭🤭🤯
1 shallowm 2018-10-11
lying is bad
1 GryphonWhitchurch 2018-10-11
There’s a difference between practicing abstinence and being an incel, not that that would further your political narrative or anything.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
That's just christcuck speak for basically declaring to the whole world that you still can't get laid
Keep coping, brother
1 GryphonWhitchurch 2018-10-11
Well I don’t practice, nor do I preach, abstinence. I also don’t go around parading that I have an irrational disdain for women, unlike incels.
I’m not a supporter of either. I’m just here to clarify.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Thank you for the sermon, Father! Very cool!
1 GryphonWhitchurch 2018-10-11
Just curious; what political party do you align with?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
None.
1 GryphonWhitchurch 2018-10-11
Really? I feel like you’re super politically fueled, given your post/comment history.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
That's because you're a newfag.
1 GryphonWhitchurch 2018-10-11
no u
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1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-11
Imagine whiteknighting for an incel like Blasey Ford.
She’s just assblasted because kav and judge didn’t spit roast her like she wanted 36 years ago. This is the beginning of the femcel revolution
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
MDEcel refugees out in full force lmaooo
1 tathrowaway666 2018-10-11
LMAO Ed, you sure got me there! Absolute roast! 😂😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻😎
Better watch out though, the tard wranglers will be taking away internet access for you any minute now!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
This is SAD! Alexa, play Friday by Rebecca Black
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Sorry Buttertoast but being a butthurt libby Anti Daddy Defense Force member doesn't mean you're ever right! You lose again and again it is time to stop!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
What an adorable little Marxist faggot. Just have to shoehorn race and identity politics into every little thing that exists, don’t you?
I’m not even white and I walked away from the Democrats two years ago. Shitty party, shitty leadership, and an increasingly shitty platform. But I’m guessing you think I’m just a no-good Uncle Tom now? If you believe that, YOU’RE the racist, who thinks I owe an unapologetic allegiance to the Democrats because of my skin color and are now sweating because I’m not wasting my time wearing a pussy hat and protesting fake problems.
You offer no solutions, no finesse to your appeal, just bigot this, Hitler that, or whatever the fuck else you people come up with. And yet you still think the #WalkAway movement is fake? Get the fuck over yourself.
Your party will never win another election again. This, I promise you.
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Democrats Stink!
1 DinosSuck 2018-10-11
Kavanaugh is a victim of white women hysteria. Based on his fratitude, he might be guilty of bro-rape though.
Biden is a male feminist. That's pretty much dispositive if the issue.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
OPPRESSION!!!!!!! 😱😱😱
1 Etsuko1 2018-10-11
You were asking for it you slut
1 rockidol 2018-10-11
Now say that publicly under oath with your real name attached and then maybe you'll be taken seriously.
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Sure, I'll also bring three people who will deny what I said and actually contradict it as well as. Oh and I will also forget all relevant details like time and place.
1 damaged_unicycles 2018-10-11
I BELIEVE YOU
1 rockidol 2018-10-11
So what you're saying is Roy Moore dindunuffin.
IIRC there was more evidence of him being a creep/pedo then just accusations from women.
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
No, there was literally no evidence, I mean Ford's testimony was even contradicted!
1 rockidol 2018-10-11
I meant evidence against Moore. Haven't really followed the evidence against Kavanaugh because I thought he'd be unfit for the job even if he was innocent.
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
REEEE EVIDENCE... REEE REASONABLE DOUBT..
Hey retard - this guy was going for a job promotion. Not criminal court.
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Yes and in the real world we require something called proof in order to be believed. Oh it seems you raped three people last week, since this allegation is out I hope you will step down from your job.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2018-10-11
Nice basement, faggot
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
Are all of your shitty arguments poorly formed and in bad faith? I don't work on the fuckin supreme court plebby. Go play daddy d force elsewhere.
Allegations being false or true aside - dude lied when being questioned and was incredibly partisan... He sounded like one of you tards crying about the Clinton conspiracy at every turn. Fake judge.
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
You are using nothing more than your own bais to form an opinion. Shame on you dummycrat shame! Anti daddies get out of /r/drama!
1 Lindseyisagirlsname 2018-10-11
YOU DONT LIKE DADDY BECAUSE YOU FAIL TO USE FACTS AND LOGIC™ LIKE ME
1 SovietWarfare 2018-10-11
Libtards hate logic, go figure! SAD!
1 Whaddaulookinat 2018-10-11
Jfc you gotta be real obtuse. Add in a fucking moron thinking this is a snappy clapback.
You would've been more useful as hair moisturizer but your ma didn't feel like washing up again.
1 Matues49 2018-10-11
You're legit subhuman
1 Manchu_Fist 2018-10-11
Thanks sweaty! 😍😘😚
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
TBf, if he was accused of rape, the left would drop him pretty quickly. You guys seem to just double down for some weird reason.
1 Manchu_Fist 2018-10-11
Okay okay. Hes not a rapist.
Just a rapey, creepy old guy that fondled young girls on national tv.
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Yeah, it is pretty creepy.
Okay okay, it's really weird and creepy. If sexual assault allegations end up coming out against him, it'll be disappointing definitely but not all that surprising. And if/when that happens, the left will vilify him and rightly so. That's what they do. Like Franken resigning almost immediatley over a relatively harmless accusation.
1 AnyCopy745 2018-10-11
You mean like pizzagate which you NPC retards ignored and pretended like was fake?
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
1 Ridicatlthrowaway 2018-10-11
Come on man dont ruin a good meme and start calling everyone an npc
1 AnyCopy745 2018-10-11
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Nah, it's pretty clear u/jackassnova3 was following some shit tier pre-alpha NPC code
1 aX10mAt1CaL1Y 2018-10-11
Ur mom's an NPC
1 shallowm 2018-10-11
a
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
Like they dropped Keith Ellison a few weeks ago? Oh wait
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
From what I know, the only accusation is an ex girlfriend citing emotional abuse, as in yelling at her a lot.
That's very shitty of him, but how would you compare that to being creepy and rapey towards kids?
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
Domestic violence accusations:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-ellison-denies-abuse-allegations_us_5b708128e4b0ae32af990d26
Nice try to brush it off as just emotional lol
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Shit, I didn't know that. Honestly I hadn't heard of this guy before you mentioned him so I did a quick google, and obviously missed this.
Well if this is true then this guy is a prick. If this gets proven I very much hope he gets voted out and charge with a crime.
Considering the Republican party hold every branch of government, if there's a solid case here I'm sure they'll come out all guns drawn. So I guess we'll see what happens.
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
We'll see if the left "drops" him like you said given the accusation. I personally think they won't drop him, they'll actually promote him to one of their next Presidential candidates
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Do you really want to compare sexual allegations between republicans and democrats?
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
Nice doubling down there.
Do you still support Ellison personally?
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
That's not what doubling down is.
And no, I absolutely do not support Ellison.
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
Well your party does. They've been silent about those accusations. I wonder why?
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
As have the Republicans, that's the oddest part. You'd assume they'd jump at this.
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
I hope that the left takes that woman's word seriously and doesn't leave it up to voters or police. If he's ever elevated to candidate level for the Dems (and as head of the DNC he's close) it will show that they're hypocrites who don't believe women
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Lol fucks wrong with you?
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
It's what they just did with the Supreme Court...
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Sorry, what exactly did they do?
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
They went after him despite zero confirmation and when it was investigated and cleared, they still say he's a sexual assaulter. They should apply those same standards to their own leaders like Ellison or else they're hypocrites. Damn you're slow.
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
With that week long severely limited (admitted by the FBI themselves) investigation? They weren't even allowed to interview any of the corroborating witnesses, so how can you factually say if the 4 witnesses who publicly corroborate the story would hold up in a court of law?
You can't, neither can I, that's the point.
1 canipaybycheck 2018-10-11
Apply those same standards about accusations to Elllison then...
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
What aren't the Republicans going after him? Serious question.
1 shallowm 2018-10-11
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1 RecallRethuglicans 2018-10-11
That’s different.
1 HolyWarsPunishment 2018-10-11
Yeah? like Keith Ellison?
1 HeyHoneyHey 2018-10-11
You can literally make the same comparisons.
1 Overmostheads 2018-10-11
imagine not knowing biden diddles kids and drinks the blood of mexican babies in 2018
1 wow___justwow 2018-10-11
this is the issue that got me banned from T_D.
I said it then and I'll say it now. He lost his wife and 1 year old daughter to a car accident. This is the kind of thing that ruins you for life.
In that context, this touching is more of a sweet sorrow than creepy. Anything can be construed as creepy if you frame it in a certain way. Even something as monotonous as a diaper change.
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
I wouldnt, and couldn't ever, imagine what its like to lose a wife and young child. That said, public politics are like this and you cant excuse away any weird touching such as this.
1 HumongousGentleman 2018-10-11
Not much of a counter argument
1 Corporal-Hicks 2018-10-11
Not really making one? Just saying it doesnt sell well to the masses.
1 -absolutego- 2018-10-11
It's a Memerson devotee, be glad he didn't try and actually argue because you'd just get swamped in Jungian psychobabble.
1 Jackanova3 2018-10-11
Seems pretty clear that it wasn't meant to be a counter argument.
1 Kuonji 2018-10-11
I dunno. If you can't keep your hands off children due to issues in your past then maybe you should not be in situations where you are around children or at minimum around children and cameras?
Just because some kid is autistic doesn't mean it's okay for him to run around punching and spitting on people. I mean, I get why he's doing it, doesn't mean it's okay.
1 Wordshark 2018-10-11
I unironically appreciate your take on this. I’ve got a young daughter, and I can’t even imagine his position.
Are any of these creeper vids from before the accident? When did it happen?
1 wow___justwow 2018-10-11
The accident was in 1972, pretty sure all the vids are post accident.
1 garythegoatsghost 2018-10-11
Joe Biden sorrowfully molesting kids with sweetness. The hottest of takes.
1 kippot 2018-10-11
a t_degenerate thread? in my r/drama????
gtfo, centipedo scum
1 EternalVangardAutist 2018-10-11
Lol why don't you ban him?
OH WAIT
Hahahahahahaha!
I M P O T E N C E
And tick tock
1 shallowm 2018-10-11
lol suspended
1 mayocide-when 2018-10-11
lol, imagine if democrats nominated him for president. All trump would have to do is tweet this
1 spliffthespaceman 2018-10-11
Where does that guy say that he thinks children are sexy?
1 J-osh 2018-10-11
I was being overly combative, you can be affectionate toward children and it does not mean it's sexual. Some people just have some seriously unhealthy views about sex and interacting with people
1 transoceanicdeath 2018-10-11
I agree with you. It seems to be the same sort of affection I show my dog.
1 Kochroach 2018-10-11
Pics of your sexy dog?
1 transoceanicdeath 2018-10-11
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1 wallumbilla_Jamborie 2018-10-11
Would fuck
1 my__name__is 2018-10-11
Yeah the promised drama was not delivered.
1 Yiin 2018-10-11
That thread reads like literally every ddf v leftist autist fight on here.
1 POST_BUSSY 2018-10-11
Sad that it has become like this.
1 egotisticalnoob 2018-10-11
Here and here. Doesn't actually say they're sexy, but the second one is pretty weird.
1 J-osh 2018-10-11
oh boy im famous
1 MayoIsSpicy 2018-10-11
OP is not a Radical Centrist ABORT ABORT
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2018-10-11
ITT: the most retarded seriousposting i've seen in this sub ever.
1 ImOnTheMoon 2018-10-11
This thread reads like /r/politics 🤮
Shills for Biden are real. If you need any proof look at Biden Bro memes.
1 Haurmumgay 2018-10-11
Its gotten really bad the past few days. And in an unironic "both sides" kinda way.
1 SlackBabo 2018-10-11
MDE getting banned brought the seriousposting conservatives out in droves
1 becauseiliketoupvote 2018-10-11
Where are they? I'll unironically argue for queer vegan space communism in order to bring back this sub's blessed homeostasis.
1 Warbring3r 2018-10-11
Reddit was stupid to ban their sub. I don’t see how CTH or LSC are better. Then again I never hung out in either shitholes.
1 ComedicSans 2018-10-11
True radical centrism is accepting that both Biden and Trump are weirdly touchy-feely with their kids, and that both Moore and Weiner are paedophiles.
1 error404brain 2018-10-11
Aren't biden children dead, tho ?
1 ComedicSans 2018-10-11
That's what they get for threatening to talk 😡 😡 😡
1 a_thumb_in_my_bum 2018-10-11
How dare you say that about Daddy! Next you’ll be suggesting that both Biden and Daddy have weird looking hair. Not true, Daddy has wonderful hair. The best hair.
Sad.
1 Haurmumgay 2018-10-11
What about Kavanaugh?
1 ComedicSans 2018-10-11
Undecided. Is abortion a form of Mayocide? If so, then he's anti-Mayocide and this bad.
1 Haurmumgay 2018-10-11
According to the CDC other races have abortions at a much higher rate per capita than mayos so I guess he's pro-mayocide
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6410a1.htm?s_cid=ss6410a1_e#tab12
1 Tasty_Treat_4_U 2018-10-11
What about the wimmyn?
1 allendrio 2018-10-11
Trump talks about how he wants to date his daughter and has her sit on his lap lmao. Its not equivalent at all.
1 Tasty_Treat_4_U 2018-10-11
Is it touchy-feely to give a 15 year old kid on the train next to you a shoulder rub if they are stressed about an upcoming test?
1 ComedicSans 2018-10-11
What kind of rub? A Kavanaugh-style rub?
1 orr250mph 2018-10-11
Have they complained about Biden?
1 Frostfright 2018-10-11
"Diamond Joe" is one of the creepiest fuckers in politics today. Such a fucking weirdo.
1 thesnakeinthegarden 2018-10-11
ever since drama allowed the butthurt to invade this place, its become so weak.