If you support free speech, you must support people pinging other users. It's completely legal speech. If you won't defend pinging as free speech because you or someone else finds it disgusting, then no speech that you or anyone else views as disgusting is safe.
if it is in fact on shaky legal ground it's reasonable to not want to be the case that establishes it as illegal.
It's not, The reddit admins are straight up lying to the ignorant (like yourself) to justify their prejudice. Pinging being protected speech has long since been estabilished, as it has undeniable artistic merit. The only time it's been included under any obscenity laws is when someone is being charged with possession of harassment, so the state can slap them with more charges. The courts have been very careful to not charge anyone for pinging, because they'd get their asses fucking annihilated by a higher court due to the firm precedence of pinging being completely legal speech. /r/Drama had nothing to worry about, this guy was just making shit up to fool people into thinking his censoring wasn't entirely personally motivated.
Can some seriousposter explain to me where the line is drawn between harassment and freedom of speech?
Like, is the idea that all speech is allowable, including "harassment"? Should only the extreme cases of harassment not be allowed under "free speech"? Who gets to determine what is and isnt harassment? Are traps gay? Is there a non-subjective distinction between the encouraged free speech and the discouraged harassment?
In these kinds of discussions, where we draw the line between free speech and harassment is always a matter of subjective. Some people are free speech maximalists, and tbh they sometimes make really good points. But the opposite is true too. Now for what I think most people would consider as being harrassment, intent is key. If your intent is to repeatedly use your freedom to intimidate or scare someone off, it's obviously harrassment. Of course, that's often really easy to determine. Let's say you keep directly messaging someone and he tells you to stop or blocks you, keeping contacting him is probably harrassing him. But it depends on the case, you can't really draw a general line and pretend odd cases don't happen everytime in this type of subject. You can also read the SCOTUS judgements over the year, they make it pretty clear what is legally covered under free speach!
As for your other question, I don't have to write a long post to answer it, since wiser and smarter people did over the centuries. It's simple, traps are not gay.
But doesnt your answer just make the case for why pinging could never be allowed? If youre saying all speech has to be judged on a case-by-case basis, such judgement must surely be impossible with Reddits millions of daily users? That would require a crazy amount of resources
They could simply argue that they have a corporate responsibility to avoid "harassment" at that point, and be technically in the right for removing it entirely
you answered your own question. The governement, by law, is forced to judge every case individually in a court. Reddit isn't, and doesn't have the resources to deal with cases like that. They also are changing who they are trying to attract as users on the website, and at the end of the day we are a really fringe part of the website to care about pinging.
And they are not morally wrong, nobody could reasonably argue that not allowing pinging hurts anyone's rights. And to their defence, they really gave us a lot of space before finally enforcing the ban. They have put more efforts than any other mainstream website into balancing things out imo. Also, why would they allow something I'd say most of the users of reddit would be against?
But doesnt your answer just make the case for why pinging could never be allowed?
It wasn't designed with the purpose of summoning lolcows from the linked thread but that's basically all it was used for here (which while funny and adding to the drama, qualifies as harassment). Most other subs don't use it that way or even know about it, hence why the admins specifically told this sub to knock it off.
Just to jump in an answer your question: The difference is really between government and private agencies. Something like pinging could never exist on the government level because there are so many binding laws around what governments can and can't do based on stuff like constitutions, founding laws, etc. A private company like Reddit, however? They could literally ban every right wing user on the platform right now and block their IP addresses from ever accessing the site again and the biggest problem they'd have is that their stocks would probably dive and a few mainstream media sites will disparage them. A few will also praise them. There's no such thing as free speech on the internet, because it's not a government-protected right, because there's no government on the internet.
reminder that if you are a well balanced person that doesn't like useless internet drama about literally irrelevant people, you can fuck right off from here
reminder that we get it, drama was always better before x happened, nobody cares
This makes a good opener for a discussion on genetic modification. Moving forward all humans should only be born thru a lab to ensure any genetic and health risks are minimized. Ever watched the movie gattaca? I think thats What it's called. In short, in a world where most people are born thru a lab rather than thru the old fashioned way. Those born thru labs are granted better jobs, better lifestyles based solely on the fact that they are far less likely to get some genetic disease than someone who is conceived naturally. Those born naturally are seen as bottom members of society. The story centers on a gentlemen who while growing up with his genetically superior brother also dreams of being an astronaut. I wont get into it but its a good watch. Anyways. If the childs health is all that truly matters then we should have all children via test tube right?
No. Because simply put risks are a part of life. You risk your childs safety every single time you drive a car with them. Yeah being fat leads to more risks and is not good long-term. But they've already had the child. They are working on the second one. I guarantee you that the parents predisposed risk of being fat is heavily outweighed by other factors. Does the mom or dad have a job that provides excellent healthcare? The dad looks pretty typically sized for a dad and the mom is clearly pregnant. Im sorry but better to be heavy and be able to provide rich milk for your child than nothing. I honestly don't see how people try and use the its not healthy for the child in these situations. There is a time and place but now is not the time. Its not like if the parents lost weight that would magically change the genetic material within them predisposed to certain risks already. Idk man, idk.
Early night confession: i used to post on mde a lot before the cringe anarchy crowd came in. it was racist but at least it was funny. And that was maybe 8 months ago?
name me something funnier than tricking anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, white supremacist spergs into believing that islam is the only right religion for them, I'll wait.
Also breedposting is something I'll always miss tbh
Srdines are less like refugees and more like European/Canadian trimmigrants who come here to work in the weed industry but complain about America for the whole time they're here and fuck up the industry for the average, lazy, American pot head by working for way less money
that's so oddly specific man. just tell us the personal story you're thinking about already
but yeah, judging by how white SRD users are and how much antidepressants they probably chug everyday, they can be compared to Europeans/Canadians really easily
tbh, there's only so much the mods can do. They are as autistic as anyone else but it's either going against the admins and keep the pinging (which would have lasted a total of 5minutes before the admin just ban us) or ban it and wish admins change their minds.
And yeah drama sucks, as always, but it's still one of the best subs for mentally gifted people. Maybe I just have PTSD from having to browse srd a few weeks ago which made grateful for what we have , alhamdoulilah 😢❤️
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-10-19
If you support free speech, you must support people pinging other users. It's completely legal speech. If you won't defend pinging as free speech because you or someone else finds it disgusting, then no speech that you or anyone else views as disgusting is safe.
It's not, The reddit admins are straight up lying to the ignorant (like yourself) to justify their prejudice. Pinging being protected speech has long since been estabilished, as it has undeniable artistic merit. The only time it's been included under any obscenity laws is when someone is being charged with possession of harassment, so the state can slap them with more charges. The courts have been very careful to not charge anyone for pinging, because they'd get their asses fucking annihilated by a higher court due to the firm precedence of pinging being completely legal speech. /r/Drama had nothing to worry about, this guy was just making shit up to fool people into thinking his censoring wasn't entirely personally motivated.
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1 ATissu 2018-10-19
extremely fresh pasta, very cool snappy!
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-10-19
Can some seriousposter explain to me where the line is drawn between harassment and freedom of speech?
Like, is the idea that all speech is allowable, including "harassment"? Should only the extreme cases of harassment not be allowed under "free speech"? Who gets to determine what is and isnt harassment? Are traps gay? Is there a non-subjective distinction between the encouraged free speech and the discouraged harassment?
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
In these kinds of discussions, where we draw the line between free speech and harassment is always a matter of subjective. Some people are free speech maximalists, and tbh they sometimes make really good points. But the opposite is true too. Now for what I think most people would consider as being harrassment, intent is key. If your intent is to repeatedly use your freedom to intimidate or scare someone off, it's obviously harrassment. Of course, that's often really easy to determine. Let's say you keep directly messaging someone and he tells you to stop or blocks you, keeping contacting him is probably harrassing him. But it depends on the case, you can't really draw a general line and pretend odd cases don't happen everytime in this type of subject. You can also read the SCOTUS judgements over the year, they make it pretty clear what is legally covered under free speach!
As for your other question, I don't have to write a long post to answer it, since wiser and smarter people did over the centuries. It's simple, traps are not gay.
1 ReddneckwithaD 2018-10-19
But doesnt your answer just make the case for why pinging could never be allowed? If youre saying all speech has to be judged on a case-by-case basis, such judgement must surely be impossible with Reddits millions of daily users? That would require a crazy amount of resources
They could simply argue that they have a corporate responsibility to avoid "harassment" at that point, and be technically in the right for removing it entirely
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
you answered your own question. The governement, by law, is forced to judge every case individually in a court. Reddit isn't, and doesn't have the resources to deal with cases like that. They also are changing who they are trying to attract as users on the website, and at the end of the day we are a really fringe part of the website to care about pinging.
And they are not morally wrong, nobody could reasonably argue that not allowing pinging hurts anyone's rights. And to their defence, they really gave us a lot of space before finally enforcing the ban. They have put more efforts than any other mainstream website into balancing things out imo. Also, why would they allow something I'd say most of the users of reddit would be against?
1 seenten 2018-10-19
It wasn't designed with the purpose of summoning lolcows from the linked thread but that's basically all it was used for here (which while funny and adding to the drama, qualifies as harassment). Most other subs don't use it that way or even know about it, hence why the admins specifically told this sub to knock it off.
1 Khaosfury 2018-10-19
Just to jump in an answer your question: The difference is really between government and private agencies. Something like pinging could never exist on the government level because there are so many binding laws around what governments can and can't do based on stuff like constitutions, founding laws, etc. A private company like Reddit, however? They could literally ban every right wing user on the platform right now and block their IP addresses from ever accessing the site again and the biggest problem they'd have is that their stocks would probably dive and a few mainstream media sites will disparage them. A few will also praise them. There's no such thing as free speech on the internet, because it's not a government-protected right, because there's no government on the internet.
1 Yiin 2018-10-19
Yes to the most important question.
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
reminder that if you are a well balanced person that doesn't like useless internet drama about literally irrelevant people, you can fuck right off from here
reminder that we get it, drama was always better before x happened, nobody cares
1 TAinting_CHarmer 2018-10-19
Drama has been a shithole ever since you made this comment
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
man... You're right it's just not the same anymore😢
1 DO_NOT_PM_ME 2018-10-19
You were looking for an excuse to post that weren’t you?
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
absolutely right, I just didn't want to low effort post it as it's own thread
1 seshfan2 2018-10-19
lmao I lost my shit as this
1 BeastTrinity 2018-10-19
This. So much this.
1 Kijafa 2018-10-19
But pings!
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
don't remind me of the ping ban please, I don't have anymore coke to make me feel better about it
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-10-19
Member when everyone here had a penis?
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
remember when we could hate women and minorities without those fucking normies mocking us??
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-10-19
No, I just remember more penises.
1 Prysorra2 2018-10-19
Hey little guy
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
OwO... What's dis :3 UwU
1 UrMumsMyPassword 2018-10-19
drama was never good
1 Yiin 2018-10-19
but it was
1 Starship_Litterbox_C 2018-10-19
This makes a good opener for a discussion on genetic modification. Moving forward all humans should only be born thru a lab to ensure any genetic and health risks are minimized. Ever watched the movie gattaca? I think thats What it's called. In short, in a world where most people are born thru a lab rather than thru the old fashioned way. Those born thru labs are granted better jobs, better lifestyles based solely on the fact that they are far less likely to get some genetic disease than someone who is conceived naturally. Those born naturally are seen as bottom members of society. The story centers on a gentlemen who while growing up with his genetically superior brother also dreams of being an astronaut. I wont get into it but its a good watch. Anyways. If the childs health is all that truly matters then we should have all children via test tube right?
No. Because simply put risks are a part of life. You risk your childs safety every single time you drive a car with them. Yeah being fat leads to more risks and is not good long-term. But they've already had the child. They are working on the second one. I guarantee you that the parents predisposed risk of being fat is heavily outweighed by other factors. Does the mom or dad have a job that provides excellent healthcare? The dad looks pretty typically sized for a dad and the mom is clearly pregnant. Im sorry but better to be heavy and be able to provide rich milk for your child than nothing. I honestly don't see how people try and use the its not healthy for the child in these situations. There is a time and place but now is not the time. Its not like if the parents lost weight that would magically change the genetic material within them predisposed to certain risks already. Idk man, idk.
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1 SJCards 2018-10-19
We reserve this language for those who truly deserve it, like MDEfugees.
1 RobosaurusRex2000 2018-10-19
Check post history, comment chain OP is a MDEfugee
1 SJCards 2018-10-19
We reserve this language for those who truly deserve it, like MDEfugees.
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
tfw born too early to be saved from autism by CRISPR but too late from an era where autism didn't even exist :(
1 OnAllDAY 2018-10-19
MDE has been dead for almost 2 years now.
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
Early night confession: i used to post on mde a lot before the cringe anarchy crowd came in. it was racist but at least it was funny. And that was maybe 8 months ago?
1 AlveolarPressure 2018-10-19
MDE
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1 ATissu 2018-10-19
name me something funnier than tricking anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, white supremacist spergs into believing that islam is the only right religion for them, I'll wait.
Also breedposting is something I'll always miss tbh
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-10-19
Have you tried nailing your dick to a board?
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
Sorry goyim, i don't have enough foreskin for that!
1 bareballzthebitch 2018-10-19
Have you tried posting a pic of alligator clips on your balls?
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
have you tried being funny 😩😩
1 CrumbsofPiety 2018-10-19
h'white sharia
1 mphjackson7 2018-10-19
It looks like you weren't the only person doing that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomwaffen_Division#Devon_Arthurs)
1 CordialCalamity 2018-10-19
MEMRIposting will soon bring this shithole back into Allah's grace.
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
my time as one of the admins of one of the most popular memriposting FB pages will finally pay off
1 broden 2018-10-19
fun fact: MEMRI is a tool of The Jew.
It's an Israeli company whose goal is to show how crazy Arab TV is.
1 SpotNL 2018-10-19
mrw
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
mfw someone posts that meme on every memeriposting thread
1 SpotNL 2018-10-19
mrw someone complains about the best memri meme
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
mrw someone thinks that that's the best memri meme
1 SpotNL 2018-10-19
mrw i check what to do when someone denies it
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
By allah, try and see what will happen
1 SpotNL 2018-10-19
Lmao
but mrw
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
can't disagree on that one, akhi
1 aybarah 2018-10-19
He looks like Eric Cantona on Halloween.
1 TAinting_CHarmer 2018-10-19
Srdines are less like refugees and more like European/Canadian trimmigrants who come here to work in the weed industry but complain about America for the whole time they're here and fuck up the industry for the average, lazy, American pot head by working for way less money
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
that's so oddly specific man. just tell us the personal story you're thinking about already
but yeah, judging by how white SRD users are and how much antidepressants they probably chug everyday, they can be compared to Europeans/Canadians really easily
1 seenten 2018-10-19
Less sunlight = whiter skin = more depression?
1 UrMumsMyPassword 2018-10-19
I think hanging scabs from the nearest light pole is something we can all support
1 mcslibbin 2018-10-19
I mean it is obvious this sub sucks balls now
And it is entirely the fault of the mods
And the posters
And reddit
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
tbh, there's only so much the mods can do. They are as autistic as anyone else but it's either going against the admins and keep the pinging (which would have lasted a total of 5minutes before the admin just ban us) or ban it and wish admins change their minds.
And yeah drama sucks, as always, but it's still one of the best subs for mentally gifted people. Maybe I just have PTSD from having to browse srd a few weeks ago which made grateful for what we have , alhamdoulilah 😢❤️
1 Yiin 2018-10-19
dude just click the python link in the sidebar, you'll be much happier.
1 schoolboystirner 2018-10-19
You were always one of the worst posters here though. Remove urself pls.
1 mcslibbin 2018-10-19
Wrong
1 Yiin 2018-10-19
Right*
1 [deleted] 2018-10-19
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1 Bankrotas 2018-10-19
Most memes aren't funny.
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
has this post been removed
1 -DeadHead- 2018-10-19
Does this apply to tayposting? Random mayo girl (eeek) pics should not be of interest to any /r/drama user.
1 DennisRader 2018-10-19
hahaha so funny!
1 ATissu 2018-10-19
Thank you Dennis, very cool!
1 SanitizedTeapot 2018-10-19
I have not laughed at a single meta post or meme here
1 broden 2018-10-19
This thread title is the most important thread title and also image of /r/drama all month
1 Roach-Master 2018-10-19
ugh who cares