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that's why they call it dictatorship of the proletariat ya dingus

They're not even pretending anymore smh

Freedom, or the bullet. Your choice working class scum.

Fucking tankies thinking they're working class, lmao.

They're the ones being shot first by the lumpen.

I know, they unironically think they wouldn't be considered bourgie.

Yesterday I pointed out that Antifa calling the Proud Boys "losers" was effectively the bourgeoisie pissing on the proletariat.

It didn't go over so well. In fact, I think some were quite personally offended.

I thought they were all about the appreciation of comedic irony though?

I thought they were all about the appreciation of comedic irony though?

Yeah but only if it fits their worldview. Which kind of defeats the point of irony.

How ironic.

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of r/ChapoTrapHouse the Left?

That's my favorite Christopher Lasch book!

Bikers for Trump or whatever may be working class, but the Proud Boys are a bunch of college-educated dweebs who follow the founder of a magazine for Montreal hipsters.

Only if you have like a kinda bizarre idpol reading of Marx. They're largely both made up of proles.

My take was that the Proud Boys actually skew towards the "disappointing middle child of professional-class parents" demographic.

Oh come on. I love mocking CTH as much as the next person, but the Proud Boys are at least as affluent as the antifa.

Social class is independent upon wealth. Take your dialectical materialism back to the killing fields, Pol Pot.

It’s true to an extent, and I recall Pier Paolo Pasolini’s expressed sympathy with the police vs. rioting students but it’s still trivial. People there don’t hate Proud Boys because they’re working class but because they’re right wing.

The point is more valid with regards to the prominent strain of extreme antipathy to any religious person (e.g. Liz Bruenig) which is present there with some posters. While dressed up with the Marx quote it comes from the same place as nu-atheism, which is a desire to bang on poor people and the less educated, although reading more widely obviously disabuses one of the notion that it’s dumb people that are religious and smart people that are not religious.

It’s true to an extent, and I recall Pier Paolo Pasolini’s expressed sympathy with the police vs. rioting students but it’s still trivial. People there don’t hate Proud Boys because they’re working class but because they’re right wing.

The point is more valid with regards to the prominent strain of extreme antipathy to any religious person (e.g. Liz Bruenig) which is present there with some posters. While dressed up with left materialism it comes from the same place as nu-atheism, which is a desire to bang on poor people and the less educated, although reading more widely than those people do obviously disabuses one of the notion that it’s dumb people that are religious and smart people that are not religious.

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Random ghetto trash would be lumpen, not proles. Proles would be wage workers.

Also the US has more than enough food production capacity for imports to be unnecessary to prevent famine.

Proles would be wage workers, aka blue-collar workers, engineers

I've not known an engineer to work on hourly wage. Do they do that in curryland?

They don't work for hourly wage, but they do work for wage.

Engineers are treated like shit in curryland, the money's in business.

To be fair, everyone is treated like shit in Pakistan.

A salary is still a wage. Sorry, you are a prole. Literally any income on your taxform that goes under "income" rather than "capital gains" is prole income.

The rich ass consultants sometimes do. They're hourly rates are quite high though.

Existing massive food production capacity vs Tankie famine creation ability. I know which one I'd bet my american rubbles on.

Also the US has more than enough food production capacity for imports to be unnecessary to prevent famine.

The Russians had enough food production to prevent significant famine for its entire history before collectivization. The problem isn't the resources, its how those resources are being allocated, retard.

tbf, Stalin intentionally starved the Ukrainians, and war-related famines did precipitate the October Revolution.

Proles would be wage workers

don't forget the lowly CEOs

Yeah, but who doesn't know that large-scale communism hasn't worked very well in the past? I was under the impression that this was known.

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lol The US cant produce enough food. Here in KS we used to track how many people our farmers alone fed, we stopped tracking when the ratio was around 1:175.

The USSR put a retard that believed genetics and fertilizer was capitalist propaganda in charge of agriculture. That fucked them more than collective farming ever could. Lysenkoism claimed weeds magically could turn into wheat and then wheat could magically become rye.

Pretty sure that level of absolute dumbfuckery doesnt have shit to do with communism.

Tell that to the cultural Marxists. We'd have a pink-haired Lysenko claiming that pollination is plant-rape and bees are perpetuating the patriarchy and must be purged.

cultural Marxists

Self deport

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Fuck off fugee

We could only hope.

Bees. Fucking gender traitors man xir.

The flowers will be far more productive when freed from oppressive heteronormative social structures!

In all fairness seed production does take a lot of energy, most plants do flower better if you dont let them fertilize.

And theres all the 'science' needed. Bake em away toys.

"cant" or "can"?

I was refering to the statement in the link saying we cant.Guess thats what quoting is for.

I meant we totally can.

Dude Lenin lmao

Lumpen are usually the proles that are on the shitter. Like really poor people, the scum so to speak.

The Khmer Rouge shot anyone that knew how to hold a book properly.

Unless your income primarily consists of interest from capital, you are not bourgeoisie. Please do not flatter yourself.

When teen angst goes too far.

every leftist community eventually becomes vanguardist as fuck (and then they purge the non vanguardists), it's wild and very historically accurate

You've always been this fucking stupid?

It is kind of amazing how much commies love to denigrate the working class.

Sarcastic self-deprecation

"Hah, gottem"

Wow the commitment to larping is strong in this thread.

The real lol's here are that none of them really have the balls to come out and say what they truly believe; That the NEETs of CTH are just as smart and capable as an amazon or google exec. If they ever had a revolution we'd all starve to death while they called each other dumbass.

Nah, they truly believe that the capable have to work their hardest and only get an equal share of their work. Because that’s fair. Right?

I’m against ceos getting metric shittons of money, but they certainly deserve a lot more than the average chapo schmuck.

Here's the thing: nobody "deserves" anything. People are only ever worth as mich as they can convince other people to pay them. Thinking that this rile will ever change is retarded.

nobody "deserves" anything.

Yeah well, the only problem is the absolute ridiculous range that this saying can be meme'd to.

I recall like last year there was pretty amusing Reddit shitshow about this chick having some sort of lovelife problems/abuse and the comments just turned the "Life doesn't owe you anything" saying on its head and were applying it to how it doesn't owe her a good relationship. Like YIKES.

Life doesn't owe her a good relationship just as life doesn't owe an incel the ability to get laid

Yikes

Every time

They were right tho

The problem with this reality is what?

just to reiterate

they are correct and u are retarded

People are only ever worth as much as they can convince other people to pay them.

Like how was that not true under communism lol? Anything people made under communism, they had to convince other people to pay them that.

When I convince someone to produce for me in exchange of compensation however, I'm a dirty bourgie.

I’m against ceos getting metric shittons of money (read as hundreds of millions/billions)

fuck off back to North Korea

Why does anyone care what CEOs get paid? Or what anyone gets paid?

because everyone wants to get a piece of their racket

Because income equality correlates with a happier and healthier nation. Of course as such a single person's salary doesn't matter but in the bigger picture it could lead to rising inequality.

Except poor people can afford luxury goods and the middle class can afford more than they'll ever use, so wealth inequality doesn't mean what it did back in the day

That's what my intuition says, but it lies often. [Check out this wikipedia page and it's sources.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_inequality#Effects) A correlation does indeed exist.

Sounds like we need to stamp out jealousy

Or just find a balance between too much inequality and not enough economic insensitives.

Because income equality correlates with a happier and healthier nation.

If a rich person earns a dollar more, thus raising income inequality, any sort of happiness and ill health this causes is attributable to a sort of social psychosis that should be attacked at its source.

But an isolated situation like that is practically impossible in the real world. Like I said, a single person's salary doesn't matter per se, but it's never just that.

Also what the ever-living fuck is a social psychosis?

Also what the ever-living fuck is a social psychosis?

Well one example would be the CTH sub

Examples aren't explanations. Next.

Congratulations on being too stupid to take his point

earns a dollar more at the expense of no one else

What?

earns a dollar more at the expense of no one else

It doesn't sound less retarded the second time.

Our society is one big pyramid scheme. Wealth isn't taken, it's created. Sure, the amount that the people on top get isn't set in stone, but CEO wages aren't unjust, if you don't believe all wage labor is exploitation.

You know which country has incredible income equality?

Venezuela

Actually, Venezuela's troubles started when the income inequality shit through the roof. It's actually a prime example of growing inequality causing issues.

Which you would have known had you bothered to google it instead if turning instantly to your retarded "bububut venezuela" retort.

shut up mong

no u

So if the poor become much poorer is good for country so long as the equality gap got smaller?

Technically based on what I said: yes. But probably not in reality. The correlation exists, but probably not safe to assume causation. Most likely the real reasons are a complicated and interconnected system of many things and income equality is just one way of looking at it.

Making broad statements about complex matters based on one metric is usually a bad idea anyway. There's no magic bullet.

It’s not about CEOs working harder than the average shmuck. It’s about irreplaceability. Don’t want to pay Jeff Bezos a hundred million a year? Fine. Good luck finding someone else with the education and experience to run one of the biggest companies in the world.

They managed to create a famine in Ukraine because they killed all the capable farmers and turned production to complete imbeciles.

Ukraine btw has some of the most fertile land in the world and you need to be a complete moron to starve in that area.

Amazon and google did that???

No, it was NA$A.

Walk into NASA sometime and yell "Heil Hitler". WOOP, they all jump straight up.

Very true 50-60 years ago

Archer reference. S2E09, Placebo Effect.

Damn as a man of archer fandom how did i forget this reference. Will have to watch the episode later.

you mean eastern Poland?

You mean West Tartarstan?

You mean Zimbabwe?

All lands belong to Zimbabwe

That and they expropriated all of the seed corn to sell to raise hard currency to pay for industrial imports, which made it hard to plant the next year's crop.

Sounds like something a person with a job would say 😏

With all of Google's terrible decisions lately (an $800 Chromebook with a Celeron? Really?), I'd actually believe they for Google. Amazon tho, no lol

The unstated hypothesis of their position is that anyone could do this work, it just so happens that Bezos and Jobs and Bill Gates was in the right place at the right time and have no real claim to the wealth. Absolutely hilarious and a reminder as to why Marxism is so out of date (made for a society based around manual labor rather than knowledge work)

Tbh, Bill Gates and Microsoft kind of were in the right place at the right time. IBM had a new personal computer it was about to roll-out that needed an OS, and then-tiny MS was the only company that could deliver one before the ship date. They were largely able to "coast" on positive network externalities after that even though competitors had "better" products.

Didn't they also buy MS-DOS from someone else as well? So they just bought someone elses OS and coasted on the success from that IIRC.

Kind of. They just hired the dude who made it and bought the rights to it. They were already a fairly established company by then though.

There is always that element but it's not as if any one of these NEET redditors could have built Microsoft if only they had been in his shoes.

They also think Bezos makes all his money from a colossal salary and not from the high value of his stocks.

100% of CTH users would not hesitate to sell all of their dumb funko pop dolls if they suddenly skyrocketed in value and they would not see any conflict in that while they blast Bezos for "stealing" money from his employees.

Excuse you, they wouldn't use such ableist language.

Each person donating some of their allowance or Welfare money would add up.

I think the head Chapos live a very comfortable lifestyle compared to their followers. Wonder how much money every month they rake in from their flocks blind devotion?

If they ever had the revolution all of them would be purged since that's what happens to the radicals one power solidifies.

Nationalizing Amazon and Facebook would be kinda pointless. The companies are really not that valuable or essential. They are only valuable due to temporary stock speculation

This is your brain on the labor theory of value, folks.

Do they expect communism to not have shops, or only one shop ran by the government? Sounds dull as fuck.

Don't need shops if you're too poor to buy anything

Which is luck y because the shops don't have anything to see!

See, under Communism it all works out!

Lenin thought of everything!!!

It's one giant building right in the middle, and it's called "STORAGE". You go there and receive your regular issue of CLOTHING, and FOOD. Everyone is happy because everyone has the same amount. Then you get in VEHICLE, and drive to HOME. Everything the same, everything equal, except for the requirements to run the system because there are various JOB. So you have to take a test to see the results of your APTITUDE, combined with SOCIAL NEED, to best balance your fit and make sure you contribute well with JOB.

Just as long as I get to design uniforms for the Red Army

Do you have a mock up of your design already? The state committee would like to review.

This reminds me of what Lightbringerflex wanted

Congratulations, you have shown aptitude in HISTORIAN.
Unfortunately, current critical SOCIAL NEED is:
BREAD
SHOES
ELECTRICITY

Your selection has been chosen. Report to next office for your uniform.

* draws gun *

Or... are you a Nazi?

Thank you for the opportunity comrade

* Holsters weapon *

Excellent, citizen. You will be a great contribution to society, doing your part as dictated by your leaders for the common good. So long as you do not think the wrong thing or behave in a way we do not like.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must report to the "Beatings and Executions" room for having this gun.

Excellent, please take this 💊, many women were killed for terfthought, which is illegal, so we need to rebalance the gender ratio.

Glory to Arstotzka.

ELECTRICITY

According to NK, thats optional under socialism.

THAT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM

Marx's original idea was that people would just do whatever work they enjoy and somehow it would work out in the end. Assigned people to roles, requiring people to work, and paying exactly according to the amount of work done (usually piecemeal) were Soviet innovations that came about naturally due to the flaws in the original idea. Everytime the Soviets met a roadblock in implementing communism, they'd force the square peg into the round hole to make something that vaguely worked at least (though not well).

There's a whole lot of jobs out there that need doing and no one enjoys doing them

Would it be fair to say that until robotics has hit the point of being able to do all the jobs no one wants to do, communism won’t be able to succeed?

Nope. There will always be jobs considered the lowest. You can only change which jobs those are.

Marx's original idea was that people would just do whatever work they enjoy and somehow it would work out in the end.

TBH imo this is the most obvious damning flaw in communism.

It could potentially work if we had a far, far smaller population and if automation got to the point where "want" is outside of our vocabulary. I think this state of things would be very similar to the conditions of humans in WALL-E though - a bunch of fatasses who are completely bored with their lives.

Cars were treated like a luxury too btw.

Shops ran by the government. That's literally the end goal of communism.

They've never built anything in their lives and don't appreciate the concept of millions of man years working towards a common goal.

Soviet Russia ended up with completely bare shelves across all markets everywhere within their borders. You could buy nothing.

So yeah pretty much.

not completely bare, there always had to be one item. otherwise the people would line up to buy the shelves.

there always had to be one item

THE UNHOLY VINEGAR

The shops were always bare because the state would always sell things at extremely low subsidized prices. Lines often formed because something was being sold at a price which was absurdly low due to subsidies... people would see lines and just jump in them without even knowing what they were getting because they knew it was probably a good deal. So you'd have the pattern, the state would stock shelves with food at stupidly low prices, people would show up and snatch as much as they could, rinse and repeat. In a normal capitalist economy usually things are priced such that a person doesn't feel a need to just go and grab whatever they can.

a person doesn't feel a need to just go and grab whatever they can.

Because they aren't starving

Can you imagine a government run hot topic

Couldn't be any more retarded than a regular Hot Topic.

I mean, Hot Topic is literally owned by Staples' parent company

You have obviously not served in uniform and spent your days hanging out in the commissary hitting on dependapotamuses while their husbands are deployed to AFG.

That sounds awful to me, but only because I prefer them skinny.

Well it works like that East German joke:

Customer in East German department store “are there no trousers here?” Clerk: “No, this floor has no shirts, no trousers are on the 3rd floor.”

or only one shop ran by the government?

USSR kinda did that already.

Endless bread lines and shortages of basic necessities are a feature, not a bug.

LOL

It's amazing to me that people still think that guy isn't retarded.

Well, if you belong to the same school of unironic autism - how can you tell?

You think shit he says is retarded? Wait until you read up on his life history. Dude didn’t have a job and was couch surfing until he was 40

Ok, now tell me something bad about him

He loves gussy.

That scoundrel!

That sounds about right.

Dude didn’t have a job

JFL @ wagecucks who are proud of slaving away for their masters

he’s so stupid he can’t get fulfilling and high paying job and would rather live in a basement on 1000 bucks a month

Ok buddy you do you

I've thought that ever since he said "white people don't know what it's like to be poor", proving that he doesn't care about class issues

"Open link in incognito window"

Is that even real

I'm not clicking on that and then having my Youtube recommendations filled up with commie nonsense for the next three months.

"Open link in incognito window"

What's wrong about that statement? Amazon doesnt really produce anything except tv shows. With the us postal service they would go out of business immediately.

Facebook is just a digital public square and should be nationalized for free speech purposes.

Otherwise nethier of those companies is valuable in reality. Just stock scams and bubbles.

You can’t fool me, braaphouse poster

out OUT #OUT

I post in many leftist subs.

I dont need to fool you. Im sure many people already have.

smh my head always these tankies thinking they’ve seen the matrix for what it is, man

I haven’t been fooled, I did a cost benefit analysis and realized your meme ideology is fucking retarded.

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What's wrong about that statement? Amazon doesnt really produce anything except tv shows. With the us postal service they would go out of business immediately.

I think you mean to say "without Amazon, the US Postal Service would go out of business immediately." That would be a reasonable statement.

Jesus for real? Do you not understand that the postal service is a government entity?

Self funded government entity. That Amazon has enough clout with that they convinced them to do Sunday deliveries.

So that's why I get my shit on Sundays now.

Hail Capitalism!

You know the best thing about chapo users is that you don't need to ping them for them to come here and whine.

Amazon does a lot of RnD in computing and logistics. Robotics too.

Having to sell a physical product is a rather 19th century view of corporations. If even that modern.

Still has nothing to woth their value.

Amazon isnt worth nearly s trillion dollars bc of their robotics research. Boston Dynamics does robotics and they are peanuts compared to a Amazon.

Does Baston Dynamics make anything that consumers want/need?

Does Amazon?

Yes, they provide enterprise and consumer grade cloud services as well as consumer grade electronics.

consumer grade cloud services

You mean 600 million dollar CIA contracts to spy on the American People?

You think their spying takes away from the fact the service they provide is valuable to consumers?

No, he's just REEEIng cause he's wrong.

They don't provide valuable services to consumers. They provide valuable services to the Government and in turn the Government props them up.

How exactly is the CIA propping up their cloud services? Just because one their customers is the CIA doesn't mean the services they provide to others isn't valuable.

Amazon wouldn't be the first tech giant to provide their services to the CIA.

You contradicted yourself.

Those aren't "Consumers".

It's the government using a private entity to disguise it's efforts to spy on its own citizens.

Ever wonder why Lockheed Martin runs ads on CNN? Do you think they are trying to sell fighter jets to people?

What does this have to do with them creating and selling consumer products and services? They definitely do that.

Ever wonder why Lockheed Martin runs ads on CNN?

I live in the DC Metro area. The reason defense contractors run ads on CNN is the same reason they all run ads on our local broadcast stations. They are literally advertiser to their customers, which are elected officials, military officers, and government bureaucrats. Those elected officials, military officers, and government bureaucrats tend to travel because of their work. Most of them travel by plane. Do you know which 24 hour news network is on the screen in just about every airport in America? It's CNN, which is why they get those ad buys. It's not graft or a payoff for supporting "the military-industrial complex."

It's no wonder the left keeps losing. You guys don't even make conspiracy theories entertaining. Come up with some shit about gay frogs and get back to us.

He means AWS you muppet

So are you saying they’re nationalized?

same difference, no?

Yes.

Well, Amazon being overvalued and Amazon having any value at all are two different discussions, aren't they?

My point is that Amazon is mostly just fake value. Stocks are all a scam. Literally all stocks are 100% bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s5U30LGZbA

Gold isn't useless. It's useful in electronics and medical diagnostics and many other things. It's also very chemically stable. Also being a material for jewelry and accessories is having value, no matter how much you hate such ethereal concepts as beauty.

Stocks, just like gold, have a use. They help start companies and create products that would not exist otherwise. They help mitigate financial risks. You can argue that the current stockmarket has gotten out of control and no longer works as the tool that stocks were meant to be, but spouting an extreme view like that is just asinine.

I'm not even gonna check that youtube as I assume its a 5 hour rant of some dude in a shack talking about how capitalism is literally killing babies and minorities

It's better. I saw the logo for Russia Today.

So instead its some decent looking russian lady in a news studio doing the same thing? At least they have cooler transitions and graphics. 'bout the same credibility though

Unfortunately it's not a good looking Russian lady. It's a "self-aware" smug anti-capitalist.

oh, thats disappointing

Well it's their American branch and considering how Americans love to get their views from stand up comedians, they saw fit to hire one themselves.

figures, does he at least do a good russian accent?

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Lmao I didn't realize that I deleted it until you told me. Also he doesn't do an Russian accent.

Imagine being so close to understanding why the LTV is retarded, but still being too retarded to get it.

Stocks are only worth what some other idiot will pay you for it.

This is the value of literally anything you massive dumbfuck

Yeah man and dollars are just like green paper man why does anyone accept that shit.

/r/im14andthisisdeep

Literally anything is worth what someone else will pay for it, that’s how value is determined

What if, stop me if I'm crazy, Amazon and Facebook provide services that hundreds of millions of people like to use? Then that would be pretty valuable, yeah?

Amazon also runs AWS which is where their real money comes from. That's certainly a service they provide others. Reddit used to run on Amazon S3 (for data storage) for the longest time, I don't know if they even changed it to something better.

They're worth a billion dollars because of their supply chain

Still has nothing to woth their value.

You want people to trust you to implement a complex system of central planning, and yet you cannot even master basic English syntax or spelling. Sad!

Facebook is a cancer on the world and should be "nationalized" in order to shut it down.

Amazon is a middle-man, they are probably overvalued but they do produce value.

Agreed about Facebook.

Mostly agreed about Amazon but I don't understand what value they have produced. I mean supply chain logistics is cool and all but lots of companies do that well. In fact the US Postal Service are masters of it as they have been doing it for 200+ years.

As another user has said below Amazon's distribution network is absolutely valuable. They've just taken the middle man game to another level.

They're over valued but nationalization hardly ever works out well.

the US Postal Service are masters at it

Imagine believing this

(((masters)))

They don't have their own personal distribution network. They use UPS/FedEx and the USPS to distribute things. They use roads, trains and planes which they don't own.

They use roads, trains and planes which they don't own. That doesn't mean they haven't built a network.
An online wiki offers an useful service even if it does not own the cables through which people access it.

Without the us postal service they would go out of business immediately.

I guess you forgot about FedEx, UPS and all of the other carriers out there. BTW, I don't think I've had a single one of my orders delivered by the USPS.

FedEx and UPS only exist because Congress fucked over the USPS in the 1990's.

Otherwise their business model would fail immediately. Congress forced the USPS to pre-pay 75 years of pension funds for all workers forcing them to raise shipping prices to the point where it is competitive other for-profit businesses to ship stuff.

They literally would fail overnight if that law was repealed. Look up how Congress intentionally crippled the US Postal Service.

A "fully funded" pension doesn't mean what you think it does.

They literally would fail overnight if that law was repealed. Look up how Congress intentionally crippled the US Postal Service.

I did actually. I came across this.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/politics/comments/199e2u/_/

And this thread by the same guy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n8vu5/hundreds_rally_against_us_postal_service/e7l674t

You have to go back....

Amazon doesnt really produce anything except tv shows

You do realize they have a massive infrastructure they sell access to right? A good chunk of the internet runs on AWS.

(Or maybe you think everyone should have free access to that infrastructure lol)

They mostly sell this access to the Central Intelligence Agency to spy on US Citizens.

Why do you think Echo's and Alexa exist? It's a massive government spy operation.

Guess Google and Apple do the same then?

Yes indeed for Google.

Google stock is worthless according to Google. Google states that all their stock is worth $.001. Yet it sells for hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

Why is that?

Answer = Stock is a scam.

Google is "valuable" because Corporations and Governments like China and the USA pay them obscene amounts of money to create algorithms that control the flow of information on the internet. Google is Government censorship and tracking of individuals on the internet. That's what they do.

Nothing Google does matters to any individual person. Nobody would notice if they disappeared tomorrow.

Apple is a creepy cult. I have no idea how they are even in business since their devices are not compatible with any other devices and they cost more than comparable technology.

Nothing Google does matters to any individual person. Nobody would notice if they disappeared tomorrow.

this is a good troll. you got me with one of your other replies

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/051115/what-difference-between-par-value-and-market-value.asp

Exactly. The stock market is a scam.

They mostly sell this access to the Central Intelligence Agency to spy on US Citizens.

Utter bullshit.

Why do you think Echo's and Alexa exist? It's a massive government spy operation.

You're retarded

He's brilliant. His IQ is so high he uncovered the deep state plans and the rest of us are just too stupid to understand what Amazon is.

Without the us postal service they would go out of business immediately.

Or more likely launch their own delivery service.

Facebook is just a digital public square

But it's not. There's ton of private areas on facebook.

and should be nationalized for free speech purposes.

Or the American government could just start their own facebook clone

A huge amount of web resources flow through amazon’s server farms. They do a lot more than sort, store, and ship goods.

If amazon has no value then what’s the point of nationalizing it?

The infrastructure of AWS Is probably worth collectivizing tho

No one else can offer a service as convenient as Amazon at the same prices. Make your own store that offers stuff at Amazon's prices and you can be a billionaire too.

I see you never heard of Amazon web services, the back bone of all technology no retard like you knows about

This website is powered by amazon servers (and a good portion of all the sites you use) you idiot

They’re a middleman, they link sellers with buyers in a rather effective way. They don’t build anything, sure. So do many jobs - soldiers don’t make stuff, cops don’t make stuff, teachers don’t make stuff, doctors don’t make stuff.

Amazon doesnt really produce anything

You really should pay more attention in Econ 101.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sector

Tertiary: involves the supplying of services to consumers and businesses

STOP DOWNVOTING THE COW.

I sometimes really, desperately hope that there really is an afterlife, and that in the very moments before death, you realize the "truth of everything". I would give every cent I've made for a reaction video of every dipshit commie that ever died, penniless, stupid and broken, in that brilliant moment of realization that they were wrong and it was all for nothing.

Sadly the actual people responsible for revolutions either were really rich afterwards, or executed

or executed

That'll teach them to not get rich off it.

I meant the ones that actually fought, they were the biggest threat to the newly estabilished regime. And you can't say that the people in the Soviet government were in a bad spot financially.

nice, i am also an utter sack of shit who is motivated almost entirely by contempt and spite of people different from me, so much that i would gleefully watch their final moments of life as full of nothing but sorrow, just b/c they want a decent standard living for every living human being.

really? me too!

wow I love meeting new sacks of shit on /r/drama

just b/c they want a decent standard living for every living human being.

Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

damn, thats a good one. I like it

"Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice." - zerngling_Lester

One of my new favorite quotes.

misspells the user's name

not sure if stupid or malicious

just b/c they want a decent standard living for every living human being.

And murder millions in the process, and repeat it again and again because they're too stubborn to accept that it was af ailure.

B..but muh Revolutionary Catalonia (RIP MUH NIGGA July 21, 1936 – 1939, BBC BBQ PBJ)

Hey that was like 50 years ago, we do not inherit the guilt of the ancestors. I feel no guilt at all for the fact that previous communists killed millions, that wasn't me and I can't be held responsible for it. Just like modern Germanys need to let go of Nazism, elect the AfD, and become Nazis again, so do Communists need to forget about Great Leap Forward and other irrelevant shit that happened like a century ago.

Just like modern Germanys need to let go of Nazism, elect the AfD, and become Nazis again, so do Communists need to forget about Great Leap Forward and other irrelevant shit that happened like a century ago.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

To clarify, since you're a commie: this quote is not assigning moral blame or anything, it says that the world is a hostile place and if you have not learned your lessons from the past failures you're doomed to repeat it.

"They failed because somehow their Inquisition ended up full of witches, we wouldn't repeat that mistake because our Inquisition will be staffed with good people" doesn't count as learning from past mistakes.

a

These people can't compete so they want to inflict violence, instability, and mass incarceration on the rest of society. Just look at that thread. They're literally calling for mass murder. We live in the most comfortable and well-fed society in human history with the least amount of crime and highest degree of upper-eschelon churn, and these pieces of shit want to ruin everything and kill huge swathes of people because they're losers. They're not just selfish and lazy, they're murderously selfish and lazy. I can't think of a better description of evil.

Even though they're

losers who can't do shit

nonetheless, they seem to be enjoying

a decent standard living

under this horrible KKKapitalist nightmare, what with having smartphones and computers and high-speed internet access. So confusing.

The commies give you 5 potatoes a week. Check m8 you facist

This is why they will fail. The revolutions of the past really required tremendous suffering, the kind that Venezuela is seeing right now. No successful S nation, particularly America, is in any danger of an uprising of the sort. Our success is our armor

The example of Nazism did not stop America from electing fascists. Why should Communism be expected to be stopped by things that happened a century ago?

The difference between Trump and fascism is as large as the difference between the American economy and the Venezuelan one.

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You are stymied because you ACHE to take up the banner and (particularly!) the same pain that drove those simple serfs 100 years ago. You also ACHE to check your fucking INSTAGRAM account, you toilet treat.

You are a butch-looking bitch I could fuck in a bathroom and MAYBE wonder if you were a tranny (confused faggot) or ugly woman.

nice, i am also an utter sack of shit

YOU REALLY, TRULY ARE THOUGH

Edit- i’m sorry; that was mean. I guess what I mean to say is, you really should not call the suicide prevention hotline, because there are real people who are worth the help that that hotline can give them. You’re not one of those people

yeah me too

brilliant moment of realization

Never happened.

Not even once.

I'd like to think that the last thing that went through the commies head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell had communism failed.

If only I had just let the Nazis take my nation

لو أنت ليس أمريكيًا فأنا النبي محمد

If only you didn’t fantasize about the things *your (much better) great grandfather did, you fucking worthless nobody *

Imagine it being 2018 and you think what the US needs is a second USPS.

Amazon and Facebook are only values because those idiots on wall street think they can advertise and get a consistent revenue stream of trillions. What idiots right?

Yes but how many potatoes do the trillion grow? Checkmate liberalfashysuccdemterf

Stock value is (PVFCFE)/Shares outstanding.

One might argue Tech firms trade at a premium to this due to temporary speculation but hard to argue they're valueless.

Especially considering their D/E is basically zero with 80% of their tangible book assets being cash

Yeah what does Amazon do that's valuable besides provide a massive logistics network that makes it possible to cheaply buy just about anything you can imagine (from a package of bic pens to a fucking refrigerator) and have it shipped to your house for free* within two days?

I swear to God teenage socialists have no idea how much work and investment goes into building something like this.

*Okay fine, you have to pay the annual prime fee, but if you buy any substantial amount of crap off Amazon that's completely negligible.

Most items that ship for free with Amazon Prime will also ship for free on orders over like $49. So you still get free shipping, you just need to batch up your orders a bit.

Half of all Amazon's business is their web services. They host half the fucking internet.

its almost as if nationalization only works for industries that are natural monopolies or an essential good

The problem is that Lenin could rile up a bunch of frustrated serfs to take up arms, and these serfs weren't fighting for some socialist ideology, but for the improvement of the lives of their families.

The only people who want anything to do with a socialist revolution in America are limp wristed coastal college students.

Lenin wasn't even that great at getting people to risk their lives to fight, the Red Army had desertion issues. It took his boy Trotsky basically creating a group of Red Army soldiers that would kill anyone who even thought about retreating, showed cowardice, or who didn't follow orders.

But yeah I'm sure the commies we see online today are much more strong willed than the Russians in the Red Army were.

Trotsky basically creating a group of Red Army soldiers that would kill anyone who even thought about retreating, showed cowardice, or who didn't follow orders.

Commissars bay-beee.

They do have the snazziest caps

Uniform wasnt by hugo boss tho

Are you sayin common folks and the laboring classes didnt really love a rich kid who never held a job, didnt see value in labor, and advocated said people were too dumb to have agency in their own lives?

Thats just too far fetched.

I picture them trying to drum up support in lower class communities.

“How do you do my fellow laborers? dabs Haha in sometimes pretty bad and boujee myself, but have you ever heard of the bad and bourgeoisie?”

We know that if there's one thing Hispanic migrant vegetable pickers love, it's memes.

Everyone loves a funny meme

Who doesn't?

Seriousposters, scum of the earth that they are

Workers, among themsemves: "This kid has been yelling about memes since the workday started. How do we get him off the worksite?"

How do I send a post to the gulag

This is the fundamental problem of all socialist movements, the people are almost always to the right of the leadership. If you reflect on all the communist revolutions of the 20th century, you quickly realize that all of them, without except, started & finished as anti-american nationalist movement. Very few were true believers of marxism.

you left out impotent.

If a "revolution" were to happen, I imagine it would be closer to the French. These kids would jump at the chance to tear the white house down and take heads.

Nationalizing Amazon and Facebook would be kinda pointless. The companies are really not that valuable or essential. They are only valuable due to temporary stock speculation.

So Amazon has a P/E ratio of 140, it should reasonably trade at 20 P/E. So Jeff Bezos net worth is inflated by over 7 times. The second Wall Street decides Its not worth that much, that 'wealth' or value evaporates in an instant.

The speculative bets of coke-snorting hedge fund managers is not something you can fund socialism with. Nationalize petroleum, utilities, groceries, agriculture even, but internet companies don't actually produce anything and are thus intrinsically worthless.

Upvoted unironically. Yes, these are the kind of people we should trust to totally overhaul our economy and workforce, someone who doesn't understand how two of the most important companies on the planet work.

durr durr but they don’t produce anything durr durr alienation of labor

I'm actually amazed that someone who posts on CTH knows what P/E is.

While we're on the topic, can somebody with actual knowledge on the subject explain why it's not E/P? That makes way more sense to me.

Mathematically it makes no difference which way round you put the ratio. P/E is just convention.

But wouldn't E/P make more sense?

If stock A is trading at $24 and the earnings per share for the most recent 12-month period is $3, then stock A has a P/E ratio of 24/3 or 8.

Now, what does that 8 say? It means that you get 1/8 return on your infestment after one year, so 1/x with x being your P/E ratio. But isn't that kind of redundant? If you use P/E instead, you immediately get to that 1/8.

It's not like such a small extra step really matters, but standards usually try to be as clear as possible. People way smarter than I am chose to go for P/E instead, so there must be something I'm missing here.

P/E means larger = better. Easier to understand at a glance.

What you talk about is called earnings yield. You can do that too... in that case, a higher earnings yield is better.

The idea of why P/E makes sense is it's telling you how much you're paying today for, theoretically, a dollar of earnings tomorrow. And, intuitively, a higher P/E means a more expensive stock.

Thanks, that makes sense.

Well he is right that Amazon is overvalued IMO. It is valued like that under the assumption that its revenue can grow to be several times larger than Wal-Mart, which I find a little hard to swallow.

It's about AWS, not retail

Yeah AWS makes insane amount of money. I was an idiot and didn’t have 2FA enabled on my account since I was just using it to host a single ec2 instance for a discord bot and someone hacked my account. They spun up a shit ton of EC2s to mine bitcoin and ran my bill up 5000$ in 12 hours before I realized. Thank God amazon just made me clean up all the mess and wiped the charges.

It's crazy how most of amazon's worth revolves around something I forget they have

I don't. Three years ago I'd go to walmart every week or so for supplies. Now I pick everything up at Costco or order it from Amazon. I can totally see Amazon taking over the market that Walmart currently controls.

Yeah, and the fact that you can do your order online and then go over and pick it up at center near you is kinda nice, but I still prefer Amazon Prime.

I'd say FB is more overvalued. At least Amazon performs a tangible service.

FB doesn't trade at 100x earnings

That post is almost exactly the whole foundation of "Atlas Shrugged". I wonder if they have enough self-awareness to understand that.

Quite. Even though it’s a very flawed book, it’s point about not being able to effectively force someone to work is missed by nearly every single communist, and every one that isn’t lying to themselves.

I dont even like Atlas shrugged, but to think its still dunking on tankies so many decades later is telling.

It's as if a sort of mixture of the good parts of capitalism and socialism would be a good system! True centrism!

True centrism is uniting the worst parts of capitalism with the worst parts of socialism.

Then the CCP were the true centrists all along!

fuck off leninist juche is true radical centrism

China numba 1

It's almost like that's every system

Trust me if you say Anything about high standard of living, socialized European countries to a commie they have a standard array of stock and false rebuttals so they can pretend that those countries are still horrible. Someone I argue with frequently said "yeah most people are happy in those countries but literally every business exploits workers in other countries so they are still bad". Among other retarded shit like "capitalist society invented nationalism".

My only issue with that when that argument is used to say we shouldn’t tax the rich more.

There will still be rich and they will be better off, they just won’t have as excessive wealth. People will work harder and drive themselves to even be a fraction better than their neighbours.

The only question you should be asking in CTH is: "Why are we all so retarded?"

Communism

I had a socialist say that we should redistribute Apple's trillion dollar valuation to help with the housing crisis. I think some of them actually think that net worth is literally a pile of gold in a vault.

No, not gold, LabourBux. Every prole generates one LabourBux for every labour unit generated (according to their ability ofc). The bourgeoisie's system of exploitation saps all LabourBux from the people, and can only be returned to its rightful owner (us, according to our needs) when we rise up and become a dictatorship of the proletariat.

If you have any further questions about communism and the coming revolution, hmu. OuO

Will there be a vote held to change the name LabourBux?

No, we have already had one (LabourBox used to be "socially necessary labour")

exposed for holding democratic decisions about things

checkmate tanky 😎😎😎😎

Labour

ou

discusting

take ur discus and show it up ur ass lmao

The non-'retarded tankie' answer is that a lot of people work for more than just money. There's things like the work being interesting, a sense of duty, prestige, good work environment, good location, etc. Now, if you pay them all like shit, yeah, they'd definitely leave, but if you don't completely fuck them over, I'm pretty sure you'd find that a lot of them aren't just in it for the money.

Just look at the people around you: Are all of them working the job that would make them the most money? I personally know tons of people who chose lesser paying jobs despite being highly qualified. Just look at some fields in academia. My SO works really hard all the time for kinda mediocre pay. It's not bad, but she had basically entry level job offers that would be paying twice as much. It's kind of an extreme example, because normally other factors probably don't influence that much, but it definitely happens. Or just look at all the people who focus more on teaching than research. That basically guarantees you're paid peanuts, but there's still a lot of people willing to go through with it because it's their calling or something like that. To a lesser degree, also look at something like the open source community.

People don't choose Facebook or Amazon work because they're feeling charitable.

Amazon warehouse especially. Fuck that shit, but then again, that would be the type of work we'd all be forced to do under the regime they're asking for, so fuck it right

No one is working in Amazon warehouses for passion, that's actual soulless work you have to do when you're desperate

Yes that's my point. What type of labour are these guys expecting after the glorious revolution occurs?

If I have to guess their argument would be that by slashing the wages and bonuses of high ranking managers those workers can be properly compensated (by the way this would be a fucking co-op, therefore still capitalist)

Of course this would be meaningless gibberish unless they actually expanded on the topic, and they never do. I'm sure that 99% of them do not know how to evaluate co-ops, nor do they know how competition between business (even if nationalized) would work after this "revolution". It's more of a moral stance for the Chapos (btw they ground everything in morality, which is a big no-no in Marxism: they're bad at their own game too).

Oh and I have no doubt they would be fair and reasonable with the redistribution of all that wealth lul

That's not what I said though. My point is that there are more reasons than just Amazon and Facebook paying well. Otherwise finance would be drawing all the top talent.

you can't force people into knowledge work the same way you force people into manual work

Socialists unironically lamenting the decline of chattel slavery. Sides --> orbit.

here for it. bring on the chaos and dead people. they don't want me alive anyway.

I agree. No one wants this retard alive.

Chapo and /r/socialism and that whole gang is a thin veneer of “democratic revolution” and are a “getting up off your ass” away from violent riots and street battles etc. Of course so is the other side, those helicopter “memes” are a wink, nod, and helicopter pilots license away from actually tossing communists out of helicopters.

Good thing everyone is so fucking comfortable, lazy, and entertained or we might have to actually deal with some white people nonsense.

Yes, both the extreme left and right is a "white people" problem. Are you saying brown people have no agency?

I'm saying brown people are radical alt-centrists.

Brown people have more agency honestly, look at all the revolutionary shit they get up to around the world

Brownies slaughter each other all the time already, after Somalia we don't even try to stop them anymore.

most brown and black people I've met are more conservative than not, and only vote democrat because they believe the democrats will help them and theirs more than the republicans where, and I can respect that

they have more agency than the NPCs programmed by their altright youtube messiahs and community college sociology professors

People are too gutless and cowardly to fight the fascists in the streets, and that's a good thing

I've been calling these dummies capitalist conspiracy theorists. They just get off on saying how bad capitalism is, but they have a minimal drive to actually want to change things. Yeah a few get brave and venture into the real world, but most will just stay online, complain with each other and seek out arguments so they can prove that they can regurgitate someone else's talking points.

Earlier I was reading a condensed bit of slavoj zizeks work on wikipedia like the humongous brained intellectual that I am, and he said that in the absence of God people need a Big Other to fill the hole, which normally takes the form of conspiracy theories, which I think relates nicely to what you're saying. But then he's probably a red commie

Well I always say conspiracy theories make dumb people feel smart. Look at the Flat Earthers. They're giddy whenever someone tries to argue with them because they get to throw up all the "facts" they learned from YouTube. It's the same conviction the commies have these days.

CTH is what you get when you elevate feeling of envy to the point of intellectualism.

So they both suffer, envy for being justified instead of suppressed and intellectualism for being diluted instead of heightened.

The chapos are all upper middle class or upper class yuppies who have never wanted for a single thing in their lives though

That sub a dumpster fire of 19 year old university students who just read their first semester books and unemployed adults who don’t want to work but still want $20/Ph

The defining attributes of the modern communists are envy and indignation at another's intrinsic diligence.

Chapos are the epitome of either affluent failed university student who's an insignificant scion of some prestigious family but they're so mediocre that their nepotism cannot be justified. Or they lack any aptitude that can gain them immediate recognition without years of cultivating a versatile skillset.

I vehemently refuse to believe there are any sincerely disgruntled poor people inhabiting that sub; gratuitous shitposting under the facade of sanctimony and persecuted intellectual isn't a luxury of the near destitute.

Wheres that cartoon of a leftie saying "ohh u want to learn?? BIG CLAP FOR U! LOOK EVERYONE!! he wants to learn!! WOW!!! get lost" and the right-wing going "SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT FIRST, THE BLACKS OR THE JEWS?!"

http://i.imgur.com/T8egYQl.jpg

ty goon sire, i googled for about 3 minutes and gave up

np, it took me like 30 seconds. Then again, i am doing a PhD.

It needs to be the same dude wearing a different shirt.

>What if people don't want our glorious revolution?

>We shoot them, duh

Not even white nationalists are this open about their genocidal tendencies. Do-gooders, salt of the earth, gotta love 'em.

Strong disagree - natsoc LARPers are equivalently straight forward if you are watching them in one of their hives at /pol/, The Stormer or TRS. Ask a question at an equal level of abstraction ("How do you plan on convincing everyone to migrate out of their homes to allow for the ethonostate?") and you'll get just as sociopathic of a worldview.

Horseshoe is Actually Correct.

Horsehoe is unironically correct.

When you place the "needs of the collective" above even basic human rights, and believe the other side wants you in chains or dead, you can justify absolutely anything "for the greater good".

It doesn't matter if your "collective" is an authoritarian ethnostate, a dictatorship of the proletariat, or an anarcho-communist federation. The point is that the ends are so vital that they justify any and all behavior against those who stand in your way, however peacefully they might try to do so.

I know what they want, it's just that it's usually purposefully obfuscated by using memes only the in-crowd would understand. There's talk of the day of the rope everywhere in the places you mentioned, but they hardly ever openly talk about what that entails in its entirety. It's part of the reason echo marks are so popular with that crowd, it's instant recognition of the judenfrage, but you're gonna have to wade through the infographics yourself to get the true scope of the madness.

Seeing as those fuckers tend to infest every place they possibly can and poison it with their bullshit, I'm fairly familiar with their agenda. It's refreshing to see people being open about their beliefs, honestly.

Usually I see a bigger split between coherent posts and "hurr durr kill opposition" in extreme right communities, while extreme left blends the two all the time.
Still complete sociopaths.

Hitler turned mass murder into a scientific business enterprise and still couldn't keep up with the commie kill count.

Pol Pot had a higher kill rate without gas, trains, or an industry. Maybe Cahpo is right that commies can make good managers.

To be fair Pol Pot was a CIA plant who had never read Marx.

"The Killing Fields was an Inside Job!!"

not even Chomsky is this delusional lmfao

The commies even managed to make it look like an accident, allowing retarded teens to deny it for centuries to come.

headquarters being relocated in Europe?

by making it illegal under punishment of death to do so

These people dream of the weirdest shit lmao.

UBI would kick ass tho

sans other means tested welfare, something like that could actually be sustainable and effective

I want free money

Adding in the taxation system, UBI is mathematically identical to negative income tax, a form of means-tested welfare

jesus please let this /r/neoliberal meme die.

An NIT is a progressive UBI. If you pay everyone $250 a month, that is different than only paying people who earn no income $250 a month.

And you knew what I meant when I said means tested.

As someone who sees promise in NIT, how is it actually tested?

Hello yes I am here for my neetbux

This but i have a job and also without irony

If money wasn't a problem, it would be a promising idea.

Those Chapo dudes are dicks.

These people are fucking delusional lmao

"Know how we can fix everything? Stalinism."

Fact: if you shoot anyone who knows a problem exists then there are no more problems.

how come yall root against freedom and having good lives

communism

good lives

when will you learn that intentions and results are two different things?

beats bad intentions

I'll take capitalist 'bad intentions' over communist bad results.

as long as you’re not being personally murdered by the capitalists right?

That’s insane. You’d prefer to go with people who are actively trying to enslave you, murder millions, and may even end all human life vs. the people who would free you, end mass murder, and not end all human life? Because what, the second group might lose?

People generally prefer living nice lives over starvation, yes.

do you get that murdering foreigners and exploiting workers to get that comfortable life is bad?

You’d prefer to go with people who are actively trying to enslave you, murder millions, and may even end all human life

No, i'm going against the commies.

communism

freedom

Doesn't add up desu

y'all

Every. Fucking. Time.

man if you've had a job, have you noticed that you have no freedom because you have to obey arbitrary policies that you have no say on?

Then start your own business.

lmao what would that solve

No, not really. I've noticed that about government, though.

I'm not against liberal democracies at all

Come on y’all. Let’s use some praxis now y’all. Let’s make socialism win y’all. Trans cuties thread y’all.

hell yeah

because the kind of CEOs who smoke weed and launch cars into space are the kind of people who will have positions of even more power within a commie dictatorship, which is something i don't want.

i mean you could oppose both dictatorships and support a free society instead

i support communism in the same way i support faster than light travel.

you can also stop dressing up communism as "free society".

that’s not far off from how I support it, except it’s not quite that level of impossible and if we don’t get to it we will go extinct in the medium term and have shitty lives in the short term

Communism will win

ok but prove it

Just give it time sweaty 😘

Tay WILL be distributed equally

Tay will lead the revolution

Pretty sure Tay would be the first one killed in the revolution

No!

Fraid so this is 1907 not some weird future timeline.

This is the only way it could ever actually succeed.

Maybe the next century will pan out better for communism! Just give it time!

This but unironically

*Gommulism will win

FIFY

It didn't in 1991

Imagine thinking the USSR wasnt literally state controlled capitalism.

So socialism?

"Socialism is when the government does stuff"

This is bait.

But people keep biting.

Communism has never been tried, because one of the fundamental principles of communism is that it works.

maybe once the left in america stops being a rich white club who low key doesn't like the poor because "they don't vote our way"

100%. The american """"""""left"""""""" is capitalist by all defintions of the word.

Like, I'm not a lefty (I'm a capitalist myself, though I do buy into some leftist rhetoric such as that the workers must be armed to protect themselves from abuses from the rich and powerful), and I look at american "leftists" on college campuses and just sigh. Like, 90% of them are vanguardists, most of them are upper class, and the most disgusting thing is that most of them don't care about class issues, at all.

Have you seen """leftists""" college organizations? Those things make me wanna an hero tbh.

I low key want to go to one and give a talk on why we need an armed proletariat and laugh when they obviously disagree

I love burgers and their fantasies about standing up to the man with peashooters

I love bongs and their belief that the government has their best interests in mind and their belief that common folk can't stand up to a military occupation despite having just been on the opposite side 20 years ago

The chapsticks are pro gun, at the very least there's a decent amount of tankie burger that would agree with you.

The American left doesn't exist

benevolent dictaytorship is the only true system of governance

Ask me about Neoplatonism.

What about Neoplatonism

It's the answer to all our problems and we need to turn to its truth.

The only thing communism will win is a weight loss contest.

All evidence to the contrary.

May you be eaten by giant venus fly traps

Win what? The award for shittiest ideology?

Even your bait is retarded.

This was my schtick you fucking loser. You're banned from serialcord.

Rude!

Are you gonna expropriate u/xnotch?

I feel like the CTH in this instance made an assumption that the economic system can radically change but the people who invent stuff will continue to work just as hard as they did before under a (heavily flawed) system that exorbitantly rewards them for their efforts. What if they say "fuck this" and quit or protest the nationalization of a private company? How do you keep socialism from being just as coercive as capitalism is now?

So close to awareness. This is how libertarians are born from a socialist.

it blows my mind that they talk about this basic shit like nobody ever had to consider it before and they're gonna solve these problems from first principles. like, read a fucking non-Harry Potter book sometime, this has all been hashed out in oceans of blood and violence over centuries, the answers are already there you ignorant spoiled little shits.

Been a while since I read it, but they probably even cover this in Harry Potter.

read a fucking non-Harry Potter book sometime

Then they read some Plato and become even more insufferably smug.

This is how libertarians are born from a socialist.

Can you also explain my conversion from libertarian to neo-centrist?

Bad genetics.

thx fam

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I love how drugs are a victimless crime but healthcare should be subsidized by everyone. It's not a victimless crime when I literally have to pay for that shot of Narcan you just needed cause you couldn't handle reality without irresponsible use of chemicals. That money could have gone to treat someone's cancer we're it not for your "victimless" crime.

Junkies do not cost that much unless you're having an epidemic, since they tend to die young.

If you're really pissed off about healthcare taxes, blame old people

Porque no Los dos?

If we let them die young instead of intervening with the Narcan

Again, most old people did not go through that.

Just join us in the Day of The Pillow

Most of those old people contributed to the system for 50 years.

Even if you're paying 100x as much on treatment for the retired steel worker, it's still a better return on investment than keeping some junkie alive to continue stealing bikes and begging for cash.

Not that I want to deny treatment to junkies, but Medicare is a huge part of the social contract.

I love how using a toilet is a victimless crime but sewage systems should be subsidized by everyone.

Your comparison is as crappy as your subject. Using a toilet is not a crime, and using Opiates are not necessary for life. Oh and no one wants to nationalize sewage, you pay your local utilities for what you use.

"By your logic shitting in a toilet should be a crime too."

"lolol nice try retard shitting in a toilet isnt a crime"

fucking amazing guy i'm beat

How would you legally nationalize Amazon or Facebook and depose the CEOs

OP why would it need to be done "legally"? I assume any movement powerful enough to actually nationalize Amazon or Facebook is powerful enough to throw bourgeois laws out the window.

Is CTH litterally just unironic tankies or are they neets larping as tankies?

Potato, potato

I was looking for some new podcasts and a friend told me about CTH. I listened to a few episodes and I have to say I have never heard a more humorless group of people in my life. I was actually impressed with their ability to consistently draw the wrong conclusions about nearly every topic they covered though. Really makes me question my friend’s choices, though.

They have explanations of current events or news that are so shallow it makes me cry. Rush limbaugh is more coherent than these fucks and hes strung out on his opiate fueled trucker rants.

Never forget that these guys make a minimum of $1.2m a year by making communism and irony come out of a bunch of wankstas iPhones.

https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse

They are millionaires off this shit. When I posted this there I got a load of 'hurr durr bet you're jealous!!' comments before being banned (obviously).

They're absolutely hilarious.

Split between how many people and with how many operating costs? Though they did just publish a book and have live events, which they probably sell tickets for.

Seems there's more drama in this thread than the one OP linked to.

If the alt-right and antifa/tankies want to larp like this is the fucking Weimar Republic, I say we put them in stadiums, give them small arms, and Thunderdome that shit.

they already have small arms. A lack of upper body strength is a requirement to join those groups.

Zing

There are a lot of parralels to the current decade being very much like the decade or two after ww1 for all nations. Not just end of the kaisserreich and the beginings of the weimar republic

This dweeb is so far up his ass the colonoscopy is gonna cost more than the funeral.

Say what you about the CTH retards, this is good bantz and I'm stealing it.

What gave you the impression that there's not supposed to be any kind of coercion under socialism?

Yep, all there is to say. Go home people.

I got done listening to the Basic Income episode

Dont these fags get paid like 100 grand to make this shit podcast and they preach about wealth distribution. Damn good scam.